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-->[H] got his nickname from his addiction to M&M's, the kind of chocolate candy that melts in your hand and not in your hand.
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-->What if I had found out about [[spoiler:Mark]] some other time, when I wasn't half out of my mind with worry about Cathy? What if I hadn't met her in the first place, would I still have grown away from Mark? [[spoiler:What if M&M had a good trip instead of a bad one? What if someone else had turned Mark in--would there still be hope for him?]]
-->What if I had found out about [[spoiler:Mark]] some other time, when I wasn't half out of my mind with worry about Cathy? What if I hadn't met her in the first place, would I still have grown away from Mark? [[spoiler:What if M&M had a good trip instead of a bad one? What if someone else had turned Mark in--would there still be hope for him?]]
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* BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor: When Angela is drunk, she expresses a wish to cut off her prized long hair. The boys do exactly that to her as revenge when she's passed out.
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''That Was Then, This Is Now'' is a 1971 coming-of-age novel by S. E. Hinton, acclaimed author of ''Literature/TheOutsiders'' and ''Literature/RumbleFish''. The book gives a darkly realistic portrayal of greaser culture in 1960s Tulsa, Oklahoma. A [[TheFilmOfTheBook film adaptation]] was made in 1985, directed by Christopher Cain and starring Creator/EmilioEstevez (who also wrote the screenplay) as Mark and Creator/CraigSheffer as Bryon.
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''That Was Then, This Is Now'' is a 1971 coming-of-age novel by S. E. Hinton, the acclaimed author of ''Literature/TheOutsiders'' and ''Literature/RumbleFish''. The book gives a darkly realistic portrayal of greaser culture in 1960s Tulsa, Oklahoma. A [[TheFilmOfTheBook film adaptation]] was made in 1985, directed by Christopher Cain and starring Creator/EmilioEstevez (who also wrote the screenplay) as Mark and Creator/CraigSheffer as Bryon.
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''That Was Then, This Is Now'' is a 1971 coming of age coming-of-age novel by S. E. Hinton, acclaimed author of ''Literature/TheOutsiders'' and ''Literature/RumbleFish''. The book gives a darkly realistic portrayal of greaser culture in 1960s Tulsa, Oklahoma. A [[TheFilmOfTheBook film adaptation]] was made in 1985, directed by Christopher Cain and starring Creator/EmilioEstevez (who also wrote the screenplay) as Mark and Creator/CraigSheffer as Bryon.
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* GrayEyes: M&M's eyes are big and grey, used to play up his wide-eyed, serious trust.
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* TheCameo: Ponyboy (''Literature/TheOutsiders'') makes a cameo in the book.
** So does Tim Shepard.
** So does Tim Shepard.
* TheSociopath: It's implied at the end that this is what [[spoiler: Mark became without Bryon's influence to keep him in check any longer.]]
* TheSixties: The novel takes place circa 1965-66.
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''That Was Then, This Is Now'' is a 1971 coming of age novel by S. E. Hinton, acclaimed author of ''Literature/TheOutsiders'' and ''Literature/RumbleFish''. The book gives a darkly realistic portrayal of greasers greaser culture in the early seventies.1960s Tulsa, Oklahoma. A [[TheFilmOfTheBook film adaptation]] was made in 1985, directed by Christopher Cain and starring Creator/EmilioEstevez (who also wrote the screenplay) as Mark and Craig Sheffer as Bryon.
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->''"You know what the crummiest feeling you can have is? To hate the person you love the best in the world."''
Mark and Bryon are best friends, the closest thing to a brother either of them has ever had. Both are sixteen-year-old greasers-- pool hustlers, hoods. Mark can get away with anything, and Bryon can lie about anything. They're the perfect team. Over the year that passes, they come to see just how rough life treats the poor kids like them. The owner of the bar where they hustle pool at is shot. An innocent guy gets beaten half to death. Drugs show their effect on a child once intelligent and sensitive. Worst of all, Mark has turned out to be a completely different person than Bryon had estimated him to be. Should Bryon turn in someone closer than a brother to him?
->''"You know what the crummiest feeling you can have is? To hate the person you love the best in the world."''
Mark and Bryon are best friends, the closest thing to a brother either of them has ever had. Both are sixteen-year-old greasers-- pool hustlers, hoods. Mark can get away with anything, and Bryon can lie about anything. They're the perfect team. Over the year that passes, they come to see just how rough life treats the poor kids like them. The owner of the bar where they hustle pool at is shot. An innocent guy gets beaten half to death. Drugs show their effect on a child once intelligent and sensitive. Worst of all, Mark has turned out to be a completely different person than Bryon had estimated him to be. Should Bryon turn in someone closer than a brother to him?
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''That Was Then, This Is Now'' is a 1971 young adult coming of age novel by S. E. Hinton, acclaimed author of ''Literature/TheOutsiders'' and ''Literature/RumbleFish''. The book gives a darkly realistic portrayal of greasers in the early seventies. A [[TheFilmOfTheBook film adaptation]] was made in 1985, directed by Christopher Cain and starring Craig Sheffer as Bryon and Creator/EmilioEstevez (who also wrote the screenplay) as Mark.
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''That Was Then, This Is Now'' is a 1971 young adult novel by S. E. Hinton, acclaimed author of ''Literature/TheOutsiders''.''Literature/TheOutsiders'' and ''Literature/RumbleFish''. The book gives a darkly realistic portrayal of greasers in the early seventies. A [[TheFilmOfTheBook film adaptation]] was made in 1985, directed by Christopher Cain and starring Creator/EmilioEstevez (who also wrote the screenplay).
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Mark and Byron are best friends, the closest thing to a brother either of them ever had. Both are sixteen-year-old greasers-- pool hustlers, hoods. Mark can get away with anything, and Byron can lie about anything. They're the perfect team. Over the year that passes, they see just how rough life treats the poor kids like them. The owner of the bar where they hustle pool at is shot. An innocent guy beaten half to death. Drugs show their effect on a child once intelligent and sensitive. Worst of all, Mark has turned out to be a completely different person than Byron had estimated him to be. Should Byron turn in someone closer than a brother to him?
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Mark and Byron Bryon are best friends, the closest thing to a brother either of them ever had. Both are sixteen-year-old greasers-- pool hustlers, hoods. Mark can get away with anything, and Byron Bryon can lie about anything. They're the perfect team. Over the year that passes, they see just how rough life treats the poor kids like them. The owner of the bar where they hustle pool at is shot. An innocent guy beaten half to death. Drugs show their effect on a child once intelligent and sensitive. Worst of all, Mark has turned out to be a completely different person than Byron Bryon had estimated him to be. Should Byron Bryon turn in someone closer than a brother to him?
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* DownerEnding: [[spoiler: Byron turns in Mark to the police. Mark goes to prison and become a sociopath due to being betrayed by the only person he loved. Byron is left wondering if he did the right thing and where he's going to go from here.]]
* DownerEnding: [[spoiler: Byron turns in Mark to the police. Mark goes to prison and become a sociopath due to being betrayed by the only person he loved. Byron is left wondering if he did the right thing and where he's going to go from here.]]
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* DownerEnding: [[spoiler:Byron Bryon turns in Mark to the police. Mark goes to prison and become a sociopath due to being betrayed by the only person he loved. Byron Bryon is left wondering if he did the right thing and where he's going to go from here.]]
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* {{Foreshadowing}}: Early on, Byron says in his narration that Angela would look beautiful even with all her hair cut off—as Mark actually does later.
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Mark and Byron are best friends, the closest thing to a brother either of them ever had. Both are sixteen-year-old greasers-- pool hustlers, hoods. Mark can get away with anything, and Byron can lie about anything. They're the perfect team. Over the year that passes, they see just how rough life treats the poor kids like them. The owner of the bar where they hustle pool at is shot. An innocent guy beaten half to death. Drugs and show their effect on a child once intelligent and sensitive. Worst of all, Mark has turned out to be a completely different person than Byron had estimated him to be. Should Byron turn in someone closer than a brother to him?
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Mark and Byron are best friends, the closest thing to a brother either of them ever had. Both are sixteen-year-old greasers-- pool hustlers, hoods. Mark can get away with anything, and Byron can lie about anything. They're the perfect team. Over the year that passes, they see just how rough life treats the poor kids like them. The owner of the bar where they hustle pool at, at is shot. An innocent guy being beaten half to death. Drugs and their effect, effect on a child once intelligent and sensitive. Worst of all, Mark has turned out to be a completely different person than Byron had estimated him to be. Should Byron turn in someone closer than a brother to him?
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