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** Mike's story of how he got sent to the hospital (due to being falsely accused of hurting an African American girl, Connie) has two key things of note attached to it: Mike admitting he harbors no hatred over what happened to him, mirroring how [[spoiler:Bryon will decide against getting revenge on the Shepards after he gets assaulted in response to Mark cutting Angela's hair]], but Mark's own reaction to the story [[spoiler:mirrors how he will come to hate Bryon after he gets arrested]]:

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** Mike's story of how he got sent to the hospital (due to being falsely accused of hurting an African American girl, Connie) has two key things of note attached to it: Mike admitting he harbors no hatred over what happened to him, mirroring how [[spoiler:Bryon will decide against getting revenge on the Shepards after he gets assaulted in response to Mark cutting Angela's hair]], but and Mark's own reaction to the story [[spoiler:mirrors how he will come to hate Bryon after he gets arrested]]:
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* WhatCouldHaveBeen: [[invoked]] At the end of the book, [[spoiler:after visiting Mark in prison, and realizing that his former friend and almost brother wants him dead]], Bryon re-examines everything that had transpired over the course of the book, and gets hung up about wondering how things could've been different:

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* WhatCouldHaveBeen: [[invoked]] At the end of the book, [[spoiler:after visiting Mark in prison, and realizing that his former friend and almost brother friend, the closest thing he had to a brother, wants him dead]], Bryon re-examines everything that had transpired over the course of the book, and gets hung up about wondering how things could've been different:
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** "I didn't think much about that statement then. But later I would--I still do. [[spoiler:[[MyGodWhatHaveIDone I think about it and think about it until I think I'm going crazy.]]]]"

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** *** "I didn't think much about that statement then. But later I would--I still do. [[spoiler:[[MyGodWhatHaveIDone I think about it and think about it until I think I'm going crazy.]]]]"
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* DramaticIrony: In the fourth chapter, we learn that the bartender of the bar/pool hall Bryon and Mark frequent, Charlie, had gotten [[UsefulNotes/TheVietnamWar his draft notice]]. One chapter later, he reveals that the military changed their mind upon discovering his police record. [[spoiler:This is also the same chapter he dies.]]
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* ChekhovsGun: As we come to learn, Mark keeps a spare carton of cigarettes under his mattress. As ''Bryon'' comes to learn when trying to get it, it's also where Mark hides [[spoiler:his pill bottle]].

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* DownerEnding: [[spoiler: Bryon turns in Mark to the police. Mark goes to prison and become a sociopath due to being betrayed by the only person he loved. Bryon is left wondering if he did the right thing and where he's going to go from here.]]

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* CouldHaveAvoidedThisPlot: When it starts to click for Mark that [[spoiler:Bryon was legitimately upset about him selling drugs]], he begins pleading that he'll stop if it's bothering him so much. It almost makes you wonder what would've happened [[spoiler:if Bryon held off on calling the cops]].
* DownerEnding: [[spoiler: Bryon [[spoiler:Bryon turns in Mark to the police. Mark goes to prison and become a sociopath due to being betrayed by the only person he loved. Bryon is left wondering if he did the right thing and where he's going to go from here.]]



* EurekaMoment: After discovering [[spoiler:the pill container under Mark's mattress]], Bryon describes his reaction as a machine going off in his head, "[going] ''click, click, click''[, until] it came up with [[AwfulTruth an answer I didn't want.]]"

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* EurekaMoment: After discovering [[spoiler:the pill container under Mark's mattress]], Bryon describes his reaction as a machine going off in his head, "[going] ''click, click, click''[, until] it came up with [[AwfulTruth an answer I [he] didn't want.]]"


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* GreyAndGrayMorality: As Mark saw it, [[spoiler:him selling drugs]] was the best way he could get money to help out around the house, as his criminal record meant finding a legitimate job was unlikely, [[spoiler:and he didn't even need to take them to sell them]].
-->'''Mark''': Lookit, Bryon, [[spoiler:they're going to get it from somebody if they want it]], so why can't I make some money? [[spoiler:I never forced it on anybody. I never tried to talk somebody into using drugs so I could make a buck.]]


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* TranquilFury: Even though he realizes that [[spoiler:it's not likely the pills Mark was selling were the same that caused M&M's LSD freakout]], the second Bryon connects both in his head, the fact that [[spoiler:drugs ''in general'' ruined M&M's life]], it causes him to become "very cool" and [[spoiler:call the cops on Mark]].

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* EurekaMoment: After discovering [[spoiler:the pill container under Mark's mattress]], Bryon describes his reaction as a machine going off in his head, "[going] ''click, click, click''[, until] it came up with [[AwfulTruth an answer I didn't want.]]"



** "I didn't think much about that statement then. But later I would--I still do. [[spoiler:[[MyGodWhatHaveIDone I think about it and think about it until I think I'm going crazy.]]"

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** "I didn't think much about that statement then. But later I would--I still do. [[spoiler:[[MyGodWhatHaveIDone I think about it and think about it until I think I'm going crazy.]]"]]]]"


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* WhamLine: Throughout the book, Mark has been earning money to help out around the house, but doesn't explain where he's getting it. Bryon winds up finding out the hard way towards the end of the book, when he tries to find some cigarettes:
-->Then I remembered Mark's spare carton and rolled off the bed and reached under his mattress. I felt something strange and pulled it out. [[spoiler:It was a long cylinder-like thing. I unscrewed one end and all these pills came rolling out.]]

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* TheCameo: Ponyboy (''Literature/TheOutsiders'') makes a cameo in the book.
** So does Tim Shepard.

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* TheCameo: As this book (and several more that followed) [[TheVerse take place in the same setting as]] ''Literature/TheOutsiders'', not only Ponyboy (''Literature/TheOutsiders'') makes a cameo in the book.
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book, so does Tim Shepard.



** [[FromBadToWorse It gets worse]] two books later on, in ''Tex'': [[spoiler:Mark breaks out of prison, hunts down Bryon, and shoots him... but ''doesn't kill him, [[VengeanceFeelsEmpty mainly because the thought bored him]]; instead, he tries to force the titular character to drive him to the state line, only to wind up getting gunned down by the cops when he tries to flee.]]

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** [[FromBadToWorse It gets worse]] two books later on, in ''Tex'': [[spoiler:Mark breaks out of prison, hunts down Bryon, and shoots him... but ''doesn't ''doesn't'' kill him, [[VengeanceFeelsEmpty mainly because the thought bored him]]; instead, he tries to force the titular character to drive him to the state line, only to wind up getting gunned down by the cops when he tries to flee.]]



* {{Foreshadowing}}: Early on, Bryon says in his narration that Angela would look beautiful even with all her hair cut off—as Mark actually does later.

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Early on, Bryon says in his narration that Angela would look beautiful even with all her hair cut off—as Mark actually does later.later.
** Mike's story of how he got sent to the hospital (due to being falsely accused of hurting an African American girl, Connie) has two key things of note attached to it: Mike admitting he harbors no hatred over what happened to him, mirroring how [[spoiler:Bryon will decide against getting revenge on the Shepards after he gets assaulted in response to Mark cutting Angela's hair]], but Mark's own reaction to the story [[spoiler:mirrors how he will come to hate Bryon after he gets arrested]]:
--->"Man, if anybody ever hurt me like that I'd hate them for the rest of my life."
** "I didn't think much about that statement then. But later I would--I still do. [[spoiler:[[MyGodWhatHaveIDone I think about it and think about it until I think I'm going crazy.]]"



* NoGoodDeedGoesUnpunished: Early on in the book, Bryon and Mark come across a boy their mother is friends with, Mike Chambers, in the hospital. As it happens, he was hanging out with a gang by a grocery store, when a black girl, Connie, went in to buy cigarettes. When they start harrassing and threatening her, Mike makes them back off, and offers her a ride home, even making a point of giving her a handkerchief when he sees she's crying. But upon dropping Connie off, a group of people who know Connie assume ''Mike'' had something to do with her crying, and pull him out of his car, and accuse him of hurting her. Mike tries to point out he didn't, but when Connie is asked her side of events, she does the following:
-->"And real soft--her voice was so soft, just like her eyes--she said, '[[KickTheDog Kill the white bastard.]]' And sure enough, they almost did."



-->[H] got his nickname from his addiction to M&M's, the kind of chocolate candy that melts in your hand and not in your hand.

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-->[H] -->[H]e got his nickname from his addiction to M&M's, the kind of chocolate candy that melts in your hand and not in your hand.

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