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* SmugSnake: Satan.
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* SmugSnake: Satan. Of course, [[WhatHappenedToTheMouse he doesn't stay in the story long enough to see how it all turns out.]]
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** For that matter, Elihu pops out of nowhere, delivers a TheReasonYouSuckSpeech to both Job and his friends, and then just disappears again.
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* ReligiousRussianRoulette: Over the course of the book, Job worked his way up to demanding answers from God, not only from the tragedies Satan inflicted but from his friends dragging down his morale. God eventually does step in in response to Job's demands, but doesn't give an answer and only says "Sit down and shut up."
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* ReligiousRussianRoulette: Over the course of the book, Job worked his way up to demanding answers from God, not only from the tragedies Satan inflicted but from his friends dragging down his morale. God eventually does step in in response to Job's demands, but doesn't give an answer and only says "Sit down and shut up.""Who are you to speak back to me?"
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* DespairSpeech: Pretty much the entirety of Job's monologues.
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* ReligiousRussianRoulette: Over the course of the book, Job worked his way up to demanding answers from God, not only from the tragedies Satan inflicted but from his friends dragging down his morale. God eventually does step in in response to Job's demands, but doesn't give an answer and only says "Sit down and shut up."
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* TheReasonYouSuckSpeech: Job was given these from his friends, claiming that his sufferings was the result of him sinning. God also gives him one for questioning His authority.
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* TheReasonYouSuckSpeech: Job was given these from his friends, claiming that his sufferings was the result of him sinning. God also gives him one for questioning His authority. And Elihu pops out of nowhere to deliver one to both Job and his friends.
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* WhatHappenedToTheMouse: Satan appears only in the first two chapters to challenge God and then just walks off as the rest of the book focuses on Job and his three friends.
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Job is an honest upright man, blessed with wealth and children, but a bet between God and Satan turns his life upside down...
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Job is an honest upright man, blessed with wealth and children, but a bet between God {{God}} and Satan {{Satan}} turns his life upside down...
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* ButtMonkey: Job loses his family, his home, his possessions, and his health within the span of a few minutes, just because {{Satan}} didn't like him.
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* TheDevil: UnbuiltTrope. {{Satan}} is a main character but rather than being the Lord of Darkness, he freely circulates in {{Heaven}} and converses (albeit rather impudently) with {{God}} Himself. His role seems to be something of a trickster prosecutor, trying to prove that Job's apparent devotion to God is not really genuine.
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* GoodRunningEvil: Satan is shown to cause suffering for Job only with God's explicit permission.
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* NoGoodDeedGoesUnpunished: Job experienced so much suffering specifically ''because'' he was a moral and upright man, which inspired Satan to want to test his true devotion to God.
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* PayEvilUntoEvil: Why Job's friends argue that Job must have done something wrong to deserve his suffering.
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* SmugSnake: Satan.
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* DeusAngstMachina: [[SerialEscalation escalating from losing his material goods to his family to his health.]]
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* DeusAngstMachina: [[SerialEscalation escalating Escalating from losing his material goods to his family to his health.]]
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* ZenSurvivor:
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* ZenSurvivor:ZenSurvivor
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* LaserGuidedKarma: Job's friends claim him sinning must be the reason why all these bad things have happened. Job protests that he has been upstanding for all of his life.
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* LaserGuidedKarma: LaserGuidedKarma / NoSympathy: Job's friends claim him sinning must be the reason why all these bad things have happened. Job protests that he has been upstanding for all of his life.
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* WhatTheHellHero: God's lengthy speech to Job was more of a rebuke for him questioning His authority.
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* WhatTheHellHero: God's lengthy speech to Job was more of a rebuke for him questioning His authority. He then calls out Job's friends for accusing Job of wrongdoing.
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* TheReasonYouSuckSpeech: Job was given these from his friends, claiming that his sufferings was the result of him sinning. God also gives him one for questioning His authority.
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* SarcasmMode: ''God'', during his speech with Job.
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* SarcasmMode: ''God'', during his His speech with Job.
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One of the books of Literature/TheBible. Despite being near the middle, the story of job is probably written before the Pentateuch.
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One of the books of Literature/TheBible. Despite being near the middle, the story of job Job is probably written before the Pentateuch.
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* {{Kaiju}}: The Behemoth (a huge, dinosaur-like creature) and leviathan (a giant sea serpent) are [[UrExample ur examples]] of Kaijus.
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* WhatTheHellHero: God calls out Job for questioning His authority.
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* WhatTheHellHero: God calls out God's lengthy speech to Job was more of a rebuke for him questioning His authority.
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One of the books of TheBible. Despite being near the middle, the story of job is probably written before the Pentateuch.
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One of the books of TheBible.Literature/TheBible. Despite being near the middle, the story of job is probably written before the Pentateuch.
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Okay, here\'s how it is: Job 2:7 says Satan gave Job his boils. Job 42:11 says that Job\'s brothers and sisters \"comforted him over all the evil that the LORD had brought upon him.\" So there, they\'re both responsible.
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* CosmicPlaything: All of Job's misery is caused by Satan picking on him because of a bet with God.
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* CosmicPlaything: All of Job's misery is caused by God and Satan picking on him because of a bet with God.bet.
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* OmniscientMoralityLicense: God points this out to Job in the end.
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* WhatTheHellHero: God calls out Job for questioning His authority.
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Nope, it\'s this way around. God himself tells Satan \"You may do as you...\", therefore Satan\'s the one directly doing it.
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* CosmicPlaything: All of Job's misery is caused by God Satan picking on him because of a bet with Satan.God.
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I\'m pretty sure it\'s the other way around.
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* CosmicPlaything: All of Job's misery is caused by Satan God picking on him because of a bet with God.Satan.
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* CharacterFilibuster: Job and his three friends really liked to talk.
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* CharacterFilibuster: Job and his three friends really liked to talk. And God and Elihu go on for just as long.
* CallBack: God's second conversation with Satan goes almost exactly the same as the first.
* CallBack: God's second conversation with Satan goes almost exactly the same as the first.
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* DeathSeeker: 3:21 and 22(it goes on longer as character filibuster above describes)
->They long for death and it won't come. They search for death more eagerly than for hidden treasure. It is a blessed relief when they finally die, when they find the grave.
->They long for death and it won't come. They search for death more eagerly than for hidden treasure. It is a blessed relief when they finally die, when they find the grave.
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* DeathSeeker: 3:21 and 22(it 22 (it goes on longer as character filibuster above describes)
->They -->They long for death and it won't come. They search for death more eagerly than for hidden treasure. It is a blessed relief when they finally die, when they find the grave.
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* LaserGuidedKarma: Job's friends claim him sinning must be the reason why all these bad things have happened. Job protests that he has been upstanding for all of his life.
* MethuselahSyndrome: Not as long as the actual Methuselah, but still pretty long; Job lives to be 140, old enough to see his great-great grandchildren.
* MethuselahSyndrome: Not as long as the actual Methuselah, but still pretty long; Job lives to be 140, old enough to see his great-great grandchildren.
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* SarcasmMode: ''God'', during his speech with Job.
-->'''God''': What is the way to the abode of light? And where does darkness reside? Can you take them to their places? Do you know the paths to their dwellings? Surely you know, for you were already born! You have lived so many years!
-->'''God''': What is the way to the abode of light? And where does darkness reside? Can you take them to their places? Do you know the paths to their dwellings? Surely you know, for you were already born! You have lived so many years!
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* WorldsMostBeautifulWoman: Job's three new daughters Jemimah, Keziah, and Keren-Happuch are said to be more beautiful than any other women in the land.
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* FallenAngel: Not the actual trope but its prototype is here, and is the strongest rebuttal to those who claim the concept is incompatible with Judaism. 4:18 for example
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* FallenAngel: Not the actual trope but its prototype is here, and is the strongest rebuttal to those who claim the concept is incompatible with Judaism. 4:18 for exampleis below and 15:15 can also be a case but amusingly the book makes no insinuations that {{Satan}} did anything wrong beyond being mistaken in his judgment of Job.
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15:15 can also be a case but amusingly the book makes no instantiations that {{Satan}} ever faltered beyond being mistaken in his judgment of Job.
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* DeathSeeker: They long for death and it won't come. They search for death more eagerly than for hidden treasure. It is a blessed relief when they finally die, when they find the grave.-3:21 and 22(it goes on longer)
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* DeathSeeker: They 3:21 and 22(it goes on longer as character filibuster above describes)
->They long for death and it won't come. They search for death more eagerly than for hidden treasure. It is a blessed relief when they finally die, when they find the grave.-3:21 and 22(it goes on longer)
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* FallenAngel: Not the actual trope but its prototype is here, and is the strongest rebuttal to those who claim the concept is incompatible with Judaism. 4:18 for example
-> If God cannot trust some of his own angels and has charged some of them with folly, how much less will he trust those made of clay?
-> If God cannot trust some of his own angels and has charged some of them with folly, how much less will he trust those made of clay?
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* DeathSeeker: They long for death and it won't come. They search for death more eagerly than for hidden treasure. It is a blessed relief when they finally die, when they find the grave.-3:21 and 22(it goes on longer)
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* TheWorldIsJustAwesome: When God appears before Job, he gives a speech describing his entire creation, essentially daring Job: "I created '''the entire universe.''' Are ''you'' going to tell me you know better than me?"
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* CharacterFilibuster: Job and his 3 friends really liked to talk.
* CosmicPlaything: All of Job's misery is caused by Satan picking on him because of a bet with god.
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* CharacterFilibuster: Job and his 3 three friends really liked to talk.
* CosmicPlaything: All of Job's misery is caused by Satan picking on him because of a bet withgod.God.
* CosmicPlaything: All of Job's misery is caused by Satan picking on him because of a bet with
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* ReplacementGoldfish: God replaces Job's dead family. family, home, and livestock.
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* InMysteriousWays: In the end you see Job humiliate himself before God. It was all to teach him humility and dependence on Him.
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* RulesLawyer: As [[DeadpanSnarker David Plotz]] points out, he accused God of wrongdoing, but didn't technically ''curse'' Him, as Satan had wanted.
* DeusAngstMachina: Taken to BeyondTheImpossible level.
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* CosmicPlaything: LITERALLY.
All of Job's misery is caused by Satan picking on him because of a bet with god.
* DeusAngstMachina:Taken [[SerialEscalation escalating from losing his material goods to BeyondTheImpossible level.
his family to his health.]]
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ReplacementGoldfish: God replaces Job's dead family.
* RulesLawyer: As[[DeadpanSnarker David Plotz]] Plotz points out, he accused God of wrongdoing, but didn't technically ''curse'' Him, as Satan had wanted.
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* ZenSurvivor: And how!ZenSurvivor:
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->''"The Lord gave and The Lord hath taken away, blessed be the name of The Lord!"''
One of the books of TheBible. Despite being near the middle, the story of job is probably written before the Pentateuch.
Job is an honest upright man, blessed with wealth and children, but a bet between God and Satan turns his life upside down...
* CharacterFilibuster: Job and his 3 friends really liked to talk.
* CosmicPlaything: LITERALLY.
* DeusAngstMachina: Taken to BeyondTheImpossible level.
* ReplacementGoldfish
* RulesLawyer: As [[DeadpanSnarker David Plotz]] points out, he accused God of wrongdoing, but didn't technically ''curse'' Him, as Satan had wanted.
* SmiteMeOhMightySmiter: The Satan tried to invoke this reaction, and his own wife suggested it so he could be put out of his misery. [[spoiler:It didn't work.]]
* TraumaCongaLine - UrExample: Servants rush in to inform him of the latest tragedy to plague his estate even while previous servants are ''still informing him of the one before it''.
* WithFriendsLikeThese: Job's visitors keep insisting that he must have done something to deserve all his suffering, and turn on him when he denies it. In the end, God is far angrier with them than with Job, but pardons them when Job, despite everything, [[HeartwarmingMoments brings an offering on their behalf]].
* ZenSurvivor: And how!
One of the books of TheBible. Despite being near the middle, the story of job is probably written before the Pentateuch.
Job is an honest upright man, blessed with wealth and children, but a bet between God and Satan turns his life upside down...
* CharacterFilibuster: Job and his 3 friends really liked to talk.
* CosmicPlaything: LITERALLY.
* DeusAngstMachina: Taken to BeyondTheImpossible level.
* ReplacementGoldfish
* RulesLawyer: As [[DeadpanSnarker David Plotz]] points out, he accused God of wrongdoing, but didn't technically ''curse'' Him, as Satan had wanted.
* SmiteMeOhMightySmiter: The Satan tried to invoke this reaction, and his own wife suggested it so he could be put out of his misery. [[spoiler:It didn't work.]]
* TraumaCongaLine - UrExample: Servants rush in to inform him of the latest tragedy to plague his estate even while previous servants are ''still informing him of the one before it''.
* WithFriendsLikeThese: Job's visitors keep insisting that he must have done something to deserve all his suffering, and turn on him when he denies it. In the end, God is far angrier with them than with Job, but pardons them when Job, despite everything, [[HeartwarmingMoments brings an offering on their behalf]].
* ZenSurvivor: And how!
