History InformedWrongness / ComicBooks

** ''Giant-Size Hulk #1'': The story "Green Pieces" has the Champions of Los-Angeles (Black Widow, Iceman, Hercules, Darkstar, Ghost Rider and Angel) receive word that Banner is back in town. Knowing what tends to happen when the Hulk is around, they scout the city for him. Angel encounters him first when Banner [[HulkingOut hulks out]] in the middle of a traffic jam. The Hulk throws a car door at Angel who has to intercept it from hitting a nearby couple. The other Champions arrive and engage the Hulk until he decides to leave for a hospital and turn over a woman who was in the car to the doctors. This woman turns out to be Jennifer Walters, Banner's cousin and after her surgery she explains that Bruce was trying to get her to the hospital after her appendix burst. When Hercules asks why the Hulk did not simply explain his troubles, Jen responds that the Champions never tried to ask him what his problem was. The story tries to make it look like the Champions jumped to conclusions and attacked the Hulk without cause but the Hulk did not make himself look sympathetic by attacking the first person who approached him and endangering nearby civilians. Hell, considering that Jen was ''in the car'' when Banner hulked out, it's a miracle she was still alive when he got her to the hospital.

** ''Giant-Size Hulk #1'': The story "Green Pieces" has the Champions of Los-Angeles (Black Widow, Iceman, Hercules, Darkstar, Ghost Rider and Angel) about to be recommended for freeing the U.S. from the mind control of Dr Doom in an older story when they receive word that Banner is back in town. Knowing what tends to happen when the Hulk is around, they scout the city for him. Angel encounters him first when Banner [[HulkingOut hulks out]] in the middle of a traffic jam. The Hulk throws a car door at Angel who has to intercept it from hitting a nearby couple. The other Champions arrive and engage the Hulk until he decides to leave for a hospital and turn over a woman who was in the car to the doctors. This woman turns out to be Jennifer Walters, Banner's cousin and after her surgery she explains that Bruce was trying to get her to the hospital after her appendix burst. When Hercules asks why the Hulk did not simply explain his troubles, Jen responds that the Champions never tried to ask him what his problem was. The story tries to make it look like the Champions jumped to conclusions and attacked the Hulk without cause but the Hulk did not make himself look sympathetic by attacking the first person who approached him and endangering nearby civilians. Hell, considering that Jen was ''in the car'' when Banner hulked out, it's a miracle she was still alive when he got her to the hospital.

* ''Franchise/WonderWoman'' will sometimes be on the receiving end of this when the subject of using lethal force comes up. The time she killed Maxwell Lord issue is a prime example of this. While the public freaking out is excusable since the video tape that showed her killing Max was edited to look like she'd killed an innocent, unarmed man, Superman and Batman treated her like the Anti-Christ despite having full knowledge of the situation and having even broken the no-kill rule themselves in the past.
** ''ComicBook/WonderWoman1987'' on the Amazons' decision to segregate themselves from the rest of the world can be viewed as this, while also crossing over with some UsefulNotes/VictimBlaming. Keep in mind that this decision was the result of the Amazons suffering multiple injustices at the hands of paranoid men, the final straw being when the demigod Heracles invaded their land and had them all enslaved and raped. When the Amazons kill their despoilers, the gods instead treat the Amazons like it was their fault the world turned on them... ignoring mainstream humanity's prejudice and the role Ares played in it. Oh, and the Amazons' punishment? Being sequestered on an island hidden from the rest of the world so they can guard a portal to a realm of demons. Apparently, the best way to fix the Amazons' isolation was to make them more isolated.

* Anytime a mutant cure is brought up, the ComicBook/XMen seem to treat it as an unambiguously wrong thing:
** This is in spite of the fact that there are many, many dangerous extremists who will never stop harming people, and there being mutations where one would be in an AndIMustScream situation for life. This is regardless of the fact that whether one wants their powers or not is a personal matter. But the anti cure side will always go on about mutations being a part of who you are, and corporations having no business providing mutants with any kind of choice. The whole thing is thoroughly and rightfully mocked [[http://i.imgur.com/hJT64V3.jpg in this infamous post]].
** On the other hand, these cures are almost inevitably used as weapons, such as the Hope Serum that was meant to help mutants with uncontrollable powers (coming in both temporary and permanent forms, with the permanent form meant only for the most extreme cases) which was explicitly made under the promise that it would only be used to help people that want it. It was immediately used as a weapon of Terror by a group of people who broke into the Xavier school and forcibly took away a boy's power to fly (which ultimately drove him to suicide.) Or a 'vaccine' that was meant to be used to offer children who might have the mutant gene the choice to use their power. The first we ever hear about it, a congressman is talking about making vaccination mandatory for all children (though he's treated as misguided more than malevolent) and the second it's approved legislation is forced despite the congressman pushing for it having changed his mind and shortly afterward simply being a mutant is outlawed.
** Basically the existence of a Mutant Cure isn't something the X-Men should be against,but it should kept under strict lock and key with trustworthy allies.

* Most {{Super Registration Act}}s fall into this. Villains, jerkasses and {{Obstructive Bureaucrat}}s will say that superheroes must be supervised and held accountable for their actions. That, if left on their own, they can be incredibly reckless and destructive, causing untold collateral damage. [[Comicbook/CivilWar And]] [[Comicbook/KingdomCome they]] [[ComicBook/SquadronSupreme are]] [[WesternAnimation/ThePowerpuffGirlsMovie absolutely]] [[ComicBook/{{Watchmen}} right]].

** ''ComicBook/WonderWoman1987'' on The Amazons' decision to segregate themselves from the rest of the world can be viewed as this while also crossing over with some UsefulNotes/VictimBlaming. Keep in mind this decision was the result of the Amazons suffering multiple injustices at the hands of paranoid men, the final straw being when the demigod Heracles invaded their land and had them all enslaved and raped. When the Amazons kill their despoilers, the gods instead treat the Amazons like it was their fault the world turned on them ignoring mankind's prejudice and the role Ares played in it. Oh and the Amazons' punishment? Being sequestered on an island hidden from the rest of the world so they can guard a portal to a realm of demons. Apparently, the best way to fix the Amazons' isolation was to make them more isolated.

** ''ComicBook/WorldWarHulk'': The decision of the Illuminati (Iron Man, Mr Fantastic, Blackbolt, Charles Xavier and Dr. Strange) [[ComicBook/PlanetHulk to shoot the Hulk into outer space]] is treated as an unforgivable crime and a terrible betrayal of a close friend, ally and hero. Except the impetus for the Illuminati's decision was the Hulk going on a rampage which killed about 22 people. This was also a period in which [[ComicBook/CivilWar anti-superhero political forces were just LOOKING for an excuse to enact registration laws.]] Exiling him was being pretty lenient and arguably doing him a favor since "Leave Hulk alone" is one of the Hulk's catchphrases. That's not even getting into the fact that the Illuminati were innocent of planting a bomb in the ship Hulk was in which was the reason for the Hulk's RoaringRampageOfRevenge in the first place.
** ''Giant-Size Hulk #1'': The story "Green Pieces" has the Champions of Los-Angeles (Black Widow, Iceman, Hercules, Darkstar, Ghost Rider and Angel) about to be recommended for freeing the U.S from the mind control of Dr Doom in an older story when they receive word that Banner is back in town. Knowing what tends to happen when the Hulk is around, they scout the city for him. Angel encounters him first when Banner [[HulkingOut hulks out]] in the middle of a traffic jam. The Hulk throws a car door at Angel who has to intercept it from hitting a nearby couple. The other Champions arrive and engage the Hulk until he decides to leave for a hospital and turn over a woman who was in the car to the doctors. This woman turns out to be Jennifer Walters, Banner's cousin and after her surgery she explains that Bruce was trying to get her to the hospital after her appendix burst. When Hercules asks why the Hulk did not simply explain his troubles, Jen responds that the Champions never tried to ask him what his problem was. The story tries to make it look like the Champions jumped to conclusions and attacked the Hulk without cause but the Hulk did not make himself look sympathetic by attacking the first person who approached him and endangering nearby civilians. Hell, considering that Jen was ''in the car'' when Banner hulked out, it's a miracle she was still alive when he got her to the hospital.

** This is in spite of the fact that there are many, many dangerous extremists who will never stop harming people, and there being mutations where one would be in an AndIMustScream situation for life. This is regardless of the fact that whether one wants their powers or not is a personal matter. But the anti cure side will always go on about mutations being a part of who you are, and corporations having no business providing mutants with any kind of choice. The whole thing is thoroughly mocked [[http://i.imgur.com/hJT64V3.jpg in this infamous post]].
** On the other hand, these cures are almost inevitably used as weapons, such as the Hope Serum that was meant to help mutants with uncontrollable powers (coming in both temporary and permanent forms, with the permanent form meant only for the most extreme cases) which was explicitly made under the promise that it would only be used to help people that want it. It was immediately used as a weapon of Terror by people who broke into the Xavier school and forcibly took away a boy's power to fly (which ultimately drove him to suicide.) Or a 'vaccine' that was meant to be used to offer children who might have the mutant gene the choice to use their power. The first we ever hear about it, a congressman is talking about making vaccination mandatory for all children (though he's treated as misguided more than malevolent) and the second it's approved legislation is forced despite the congressman pushing for it having changed his mind and shortly afterward simply being a mutant is outlawed.

** On the other hand, these cures are almost inevitably used as weapons, such as the Hope Serum that was meant to help mutants with uncontrollable powers (coming in both temporary and permanent forms, with the percent form meant only for the most extreme cases) which was explicitly made under the promise that it would only be used to help people that want it. It was immediately used as a weapon of Terror by people who broke into the Xavier school and forcibly took away a boy's power to fly (which ultimately drove him to suicide.) Or a 'vaccine' that was meant to be used to offer children who might have the mutant gene the choice to use their power. The first we ever here about it, a congressman is talking about making vaccination mandatory for all children (though he's treated as misguided more than malevolent) and the second it's approved legislation is forced despite the congressman pushing for it having changed his mind and shortly afterward simply being a mutant is outlawed.

* The anti-reg side of Marvel's CrisisCrossover ''Comicbook/CivilWar''. Especially JustForFun/{{egregious}} given that for decades, Marvel's been giving us storylines where the same arguments the anti-reg side used were treated as unambiguously ''right''. This is lampshaded by a ''ComicBook/WhatIf'' special where ComicBook/{{Nova}} (returning to Earth to rally the heroes against the [[ComicBook/{{Annihilation}} Annihilation Wave]]) gives one big [[WhatTheHellHero "What the hell, everybody?"]] speech when he lands in the middle of what would've been the final battle.

** On the other hand, these cures are almost inevitably used as weapons, such as the Hope Serum that was meant to help mutants with uncontrollable powers(coming in both temporary and permanent forms, with the percent form meant only for the most extreme cases) which was explicitly made under the promise that it would only be used to help people that want it. It was immediately used as a weapon of Terror by people who broke into the Xavier school and forcibly took away a boy's power to fly(which ultimately drove him to suicide.) Or a 'vaccine' that was meant to be used to offer children who might have the mutant gene the choice to use their power. The first we ever here about it, a congressman is talking about making vaccination mandatory for all children (though he's treated as misguided more than malevolent) and the second it's approved legislation is forced despite the congressman pushing for it having changed his mind and shortly afterword simply being a mutant is outlawed.

** This in spite of the fact that there are many, many dangerous extremists who will never stop harming people, and there being mutations where one would be in an AndIMustScream situation for life. This is regardless of the fact that whether one wants their powers or not is a personal matter. But the anti cure side will always go on about mutations being a part of who you are, and corporations have no business providing mutants with any kind of choice. The whole thing is thoroughly mocked [[http://i.imgur.com/hJT64V3.jpg in this infamous post]].

* Anytime a mutant cure is brought up, the ComicBook/XMen seem to treat it as an unambiguously wrong thing. This in spite of the fact that there are many, many dangerous extremists who will never stop harming people, and there being mutations where one would be in an AndIMustScream situation for life. This is regardless of the fact that whether one wants their powers or not is a personal matter. But the anti cure side will always go on about mutations being a part of who you are, and corporations have no business providing mutants with any kind of choice. The whole thing is thoroughly mocked [[http://i.imgur.com/hJT64V3.jpg in this infamous post]].

** ''Giant-Size Hulk #1'': The story "Green Pieces" has the Champions of Los-Angeles (Black Widow, Iceman, Hercules, Darkstar, Ghost Rider and Angel) about to be recommended for freeing the U.S from the mind control of Dr Doom in an older story when they receive word that Banner is back in town. Knowing what tends to happen when the Hulk is around, they scout the city for him. Angel encounters him first when Banner [[HulkingOut hulks out]] in the middle of a traffic jam. The Hulk throws a car door at Angel who has to intercept it from hitting a nearby couple. The other Champions arrive and engage the Hulk until he decides to leave for a hospital and turn over a woman who was in the car to the doctors. This woman turns out to be Jennifer Walters, Banner's cousin and after her surgery she explains that Bruce was trying to get her to the hospital after her appendix burst. When Hercules asks why the Hulk did not simply explain his troubles, Jen responds that the Champions never tried to ask him what his problem was. The story tries to make it look like the Champions jumped to conclusions and attacked the Hulk without cause but the Hulk did not make himself look sympathetic by attacking the first person who approached him and endangering nearby civilians. Hell, considering that Jen was ''in the car'' when Banner hulked out, it's a miracle she was still alive when he got her to the hospital.

** The Amazons' decision to segregate themselves from the rest of the world can be viewed as this while also crossing over with some UsefulNotes/VictimBlaming. Keep in mind this decision was the result of the Amazons suffering multiple injustices at the hands of paranoid men, the final straw being when the demigod Heracles invaded their land and had them all enslaved and raped. When the Amazons kill their despoilers, the gods instead treat the Amazons like it was their fault the world turned on them ignoring mankind's prejudice and the role Ares played in it. Oh and the Amazons' punishment? Being sequestered on an island hidden from the rest of the world so they can guard a portal to a realm of demons. Apparently, the best way to fix the Amazons' isolation was to make them more isolated.

* ''ComicBook/DetectiveComicsRebirth'' spends an entire issue having Spoiler rail against Batman's methods and superheroes in general. While the latter is likely supposed to be ironic, given Spoiler herself ends up saving the day as a superhero, the former has her denounce Batman's methods, and ask "how many losses are acceptable?". The problem is... well, it's Batman. ''Zero losses are acceptable!'' She manages to take down the bad guy using methods that are supposed to be so much better than Batman's... but are in fact just Batman's methods when he's not written as an idiot.

** ''ComicBook/WorldWarHulk'': The Illuminati's (Iron Man, Mr Fantastic, Blackbolt, Charles Xavier and Dr. Strange) decision [[ComicBook/PlanetHulk to shoot the Hulk into outer space]] is treated as an unforgivable crime and a terrible betrayal of a close friend, ally and hero. Except the impetus for the Illuminati's decision was the Hulk going on a rampage which killed about 22 people. This was also a period in which [[ComicBook/CivilWar anti-superhero political forces were just LOOKING for an excuse to enact registration laws.]] Exiling him was being pretty lenient and arguably doing him a favor since "Leave Hulk alone" is one of the Hulk's catchphrases. That's not even getting into the fact that the Illuminati were innocent of planting a bomb in the ship Hulk was in which was the reason for the Hulk's RoaringRampageOfRevenge in the first place.

** ''ComicBook/WorldWarHulk'': The Illuminati's(Iron Man, Mr Fantastic, Blackbolt, Charles Xavier and Dr. Strange) decision [[ComicBook/PlanetHulk to shoot the Hulk into outer space]] is treated as an unforgivable crime and a terrible betrayal of a close friend, ally and hero. Except the impetus for the Illuminati's decision was the Hulk going on a rampage which killed about 22 people. This was also a period in which [[ComicBook/CivilWar anti-superhero political forces were just LOOKING for an excuse to enact registration laws.]] Exiling him was being pretty lenient and arguably doing him a favor since "Leave Hulk alone" is one of the Hulk's catchphrases. That's not even getting into the fact that the Illuminati were innocent of planting a bomb in the ship Hulk was in which was the reason for the Hulk's RoaringRampageOfRevenge in the first place.

** ''Giant-Size Hulk #1'': The story "Green Pieces" has the Champions of Los-Angeles (Black Widow, Iceman, Hercules, Darkstar, Ghost Rider and Angel) about to be recommended for freeing the U.S from the mind control of Dr Doom in an older story when they receive word that Banner is back in town. Knowing what tends to happen when the Hulk is around, they scout the city for him. Angel encounters him first when Banner [[HulkingOut hulk's out]] in the middle of a traffic jam. As Angel approaches him, the Hulk throws a car door at Angel who has to intercept it from hitting a nearby couple. The other Champions arrive and engage the Hulk until he decides to leave for a hospital and turn over a woman who was in the car to the doctors. This woman turns out to be Jennifer Walters, Banner's cousin and after her surgery she explains that Bruce was trying to get her to the hospital after her appendix burst. When Hercules asks why the Hulk did not simply explain his troubles, Jen responds that the Champions never tried to ask him what his problem was. The story tries to make it look like the Champions jumped to conclusions and attacked the Hulk without cause but the Hulk did not make himself look sympathetic by attacking the first person who approached him and endangering nearby civilians. Hell, considering that Jen was ''in the car'' when Banner hulked out, it's a miracle she was still alive when he got her to the hospital.

** ''Giant-Size Hulk #1'': The story "Green Pieces" has the Champions of Los-Angeles (Black Widow, Iceman, Hercules, Darkstar, Ghost Rider and Angel) about to be recommended for freeing the U.S from the mind control of Dr Doom in an older story when they receive word that Banner is back in town. Knowing what tends to happen when the Hulk is around, they scout the city for him. Angel encounters him first when Banner Hulk's in the midst of a traffic jam. As Angel approaches him, the Hulk throws a car door at Angel who has to intercept it from hitting a nearby couple. The other Champions arrive and engage the Hulk until he decides to leave for a hospital and turn over a woman who was in the car to the doctors. This woman turns out to be the Hulk's cousin Jennifer Walters, Banner's cousin and after her surgery she explains that Bruce was trying to get her to the hospital after her appendix burst. When Hercules asks why the Hulk did not simply explain his troubles, Jen responds that the Champions never tried to ask him what his problem was. The story tries to make it look like the Champions jumped to conclusions and attacked the Hulk without cause but the Hulk did not make himself look sympathetic by attacking the first person who approached him and endangering nearby civilians. Hell, considering that Jen was ''in the car'' when Banner hulked out, it's a miracle she was still alive when he got her to the hospital.

* Writers have a habit of painting anyone who reacts negatively to ComicBook/TheIncredibleHulk's destructive temper as being in the wrong. Thaddeus Ross is a the most frequent victim of this but even other superheroes aren't immune:

** ''Giant-Size Hulk #1 - Green Pieces'': The story "Green Pieces" has the Champions of Los-Angeles (Black Widow, Iceman, Hercules, Darkstar, Ghost Rider and Angel) about to be recommended for freeing the U.S from the mind control of Dr Doom in an older story when they receive word that Banner is back in town. Knowing what tends to happen when the Hulk is around, they scout the city for him. Angel encounters him first when Banner Hulk's in the midst of a traffic jam. As Angel approaches him, the Hulk throws a car door at Angel who has to intercept it from hitting a nearby couple. The other Champions arrive and engage the Hulk until he decides to leave for a hospital and turn over a woman who was in the car to the doctors. This woman turns out to be the Hulk's cousin Jennifer Walters, Banner's cousin and after her surgery she explains that Bruce was trying to get her to the hospital after her appendix burst. When Hercules asks why the Hulk did not simply explain his troubles, Jen responds that the Champions never tried to ask him what his problem was. The story tries to make it look like the Champions jumped to conclusions and attacked the Hulk without cause but the Hulk did not make himself look sympathetic by attacking the first person who approached him and endangering nearby civilians. Hell, considering that Jen was ''in the car'' when Banner hulked out, it's a miracle she was still alive when he got her to the hospital.

** ''ComicBook/WorldWarHulk'': The Illuminati's(Iron Man, Mr Fantastic, Blackbolt, Charles Xavier and Dr. Strange) decision [[ComicBook/PlantHulk to shoot the Hulk into outer space]] is treated as an unforgivable crime and a terrible betrayal of a close friend, ally and hero. Except the impetus for the Illuminati's decision was the Hulk going on a rampage which killed about 22 people. This was also a period in which [[ComicBook/CivilWar anti-superhero political forces were just LOOKING for an excuse to enact registration laws.]] Exiling him was being pretty lenient and arguably doing him a favor since "Leave Hulk alone" is one of the Hulk's catchphrases. That's not even getting into the fact that the Illuminati were innocent of planting a bomb in the ship Hulk was in which was the reason for the Hulk's RoaringRampageOfRevenge in the first place.

* In ''ComicBook/ADeathInTheFamily'', the narration of Batman's thoughts as he uses [[TruthSerums sodium pentathol]] on Lady Shiva describes him as "revolted by the thought" of using such methods (as opposed to his [[JackBauerInterrogationTechnique usual interrogation technique]] of [[TerrorHero beating or scaring the crap out of people]]).

* In ''ComicBook/ADeathInTheFamily'', the narration of Batman's thoughts as he uses [[TruthSerums sodium pentathol]] on Lady Shiva describes him as "revolted by the thought" of using such methods (as opposed to his [[JackBauerInterrogationTechnique usual interrogation technique]] of [[TerrorHero scaring the crap out of people]]).

** The Amazons' decision to segregate themselves from the rest of the world can be viewed as this while also crossing over with some UsefulNotes/VictimBlaming. Keep in mind this decision was the result of the Amazons suffering multiple injustices at the hands of paranoid men, the final straw being when the demigod Heracles invaded their land and had them all enslaved and raped. When the Amazons kill their despoilers, the gods instead treat the Amazons like it was their fault the world turned on them ignoring mankind's prejudice and the role Ares played in it. Oh and the Amazons' punishment? Being sequestered on an island hidden from the rest of the world so they can guard a portal to a realm of demons. Apparently, the best way to fix the Amazons' isolation was to make them more isolated.

* In ''ComicBook/BatwomanRebirth'', after Batwoman briefly gives in to a massive dose of fear toxin and attacks Scarecrow, both Jacob Kane and Julia Pennyworth harshly admonish her for it, even going so far as to say she did so ''for fun''. Kate makes no attempt at all to defend herself from these accusations. In reality, Kate "gave in" as a way to ''defeat'' Scarecrow, by pushing back against his attempt at a BreakingSpeech, and had already been dosed at least once before in the previous 12 hours. Plus, neither Jacob nor Julia seem to understand the specifics of the situation.