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* RougeAnglesOfSatin: There seems to be too much of a reliance on automated spell-checking without enough proofreading, leading to errors like "commander" and "commodore" being confused. Still, it is not a serious issue and stems from David Weber's hands being so crippled (see [[http://www.davidweber.net/faqs/index/series:0 here]]) that the entire series is transcribed by software with some questionable ability.

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* RougeAnglesOfSatin: There seems to be too much of a reliance on automated spell-checking without enough proofreading, leading to errors like "commander" and "commodore" being confused. Still, it is not a serious issue and stems from David Weber's hands being so crippled (see [[http://www.davidweber.net/faqs/index/series:0 here]]) here[[note]]Very shortly, he fell and broke his wrist in ''57'' places, and along with lots of surgery and rod/plate implants, he got arthritis[[/note]]]]) that the entire series is transcribed by software with some questionable ability.
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** The entire plot of the first novel is Honor Harrington's 'exile' to Basilisk Station.

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** The entire plot of the first novel is Honor Harrington's 'exile' "exile" to Basilisk Station.
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** Queen Elizabeth, though legendary for the 'Winton Temper,' almost always retains an air of civility and control, even when in the throes of almost violent anger. This lends more credence to her emphasis when she finally decides to swear.

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** Queen Elizabeth, though legendary for the 'Winton Temper,' "Winton Temper", almost always retains an air of civility and control, even when in the throes of almost violent anger. This lends more credence to her emphasis when she finally decides to swear.
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** In ''Crown of Slaves'', one of the Masadans that had captured the slave freighter ''Felicia'' gropes Berry Zilwicki [[spoiler:(who they think is Princess Ruth)]] while searching her for weapons. Later, when Berry is to be moved into the "cargo" area, Cachat warns the Masadan given the task that if he molests her again, the Masadan will wind up very'painfully dead.

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** In ''Crown of Slaves'', one of the Masadans that had captured the slave freighter ''Felicia'' gropes Berry Zilwicki [[spoiler:(who they think is Princess Ruth)]] while searching her for weapons. Later, when Berry is to be moved into the "cargo" area, Cachat warns the Masadan given the task that if he molests her again, the Masadan will wind up very'painfully very painfully dead.
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* OrbitalBombardment: Specifically prohibited by the Eridani Edict. In fact, ships even have to make sure that their actions inadvertently cause this (e.g. destroying an orbital station and have it debris rain down). [[spoiler:Then in book 19 the Solarians go ahead and start violating it themselves in order to terrorize the dissenting systems into not seceding. It's one of the turning points that convinces the Manticorans that a star nation this corrupt ''must go''.]]

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* OrbitalBombardment: Specifically prohibited by the Eridani Edict. In fact, ships even have to make sure that their actions don't inadvertently cause this (e.g. destroying an orbital station and have it it's debris rain down).down on the planet). [[spoiler:Then in book 19 the Solarians go ahead and start violating it themselves in order to terrorize the dissenting systems into not seceding. It's one of the turning points that convinces the Manticorans that a star nation this corrupt ''must go''.]]
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* NGOSuperpower: Manpower thinks it is this, but it is just a group of slavers and generic criminals that are the big fish in a small pond. Manticore and Haven, their default enemies, both regard them as little more than a nuisance, a dime-a-dozen organization with delusions of grandeur. Manpower's delusions of grandeur are encouraged [[spoiler:by the Mesan Alignment, which is a superpower, and has been using Manpower as a front for centuries.]]

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* NGOSuperpower: Manpower thinks it is this, but it is just a group of slavers and generic criminals that are the big fish in a small pond. Manticore and Haven, their default enemies, both regard them as little more than a nuisance, a dime-a-dozen organization with delusions of grandeur. Manpower's delusions of grandeur are encouraged [[spoiler:by the Mesan Alignment, which is ''is'' a superpower, and has been using Manpower as a front for centuries.]]
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** This is averted at times, usually as the result of good damage control work by a ship's crew, or hits in odd places. Still, when weapons in the megaton range are being nonchalantly thrown around hundreds or thousands at a time, 'something' is bound to blow up.

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** This is averted at times, usually as the result of good damage control work by a ship's crew, or hits in odd places. Still, when weapons in the megaton range are being nonchalantly thrown around hundreds or thousands at a time, 'something' ''something'' is bound to blow up.

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* MindControl: [[spoiler:One of Manpower's secret weapons mimics this ability through the use of bioengineered nanotechnology, which lies dormant inside a chosen host until triggered by a specific stimulus. It's not truly mind control in that the host does not themselves feel any sense of compulsion; rather, their muscles are "hijacked" to perform a series of preprogrammed actions. Manpower uses it mostly to disguise high-profile assassinations as random [[MurderSuicide Murder-Suicides]].]]


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* PeoplePuppets: [[spoiler:One of Mesa's secret weapons allows them to exert preprogrammed control over a person's motor functions through the use of bioengineered nanotechnology, which lies dormant inside a chosen host until triggered by a specific stimulus. Although it appears to work like MindControl (which is why so many people are skeptical that it exists), the host does not feel any sense of compulsion and has [[AndIMustScream no control over their body]].[[note]]Which also means it requires careful preparation to use effectively; you can program someone to draw and shoot their pistol, for example, but if they don't ''have'' their pistol, they'll just make {{Finger Gun}}s at their target.[[/note]] Mesa uses it mostly to disguise high-profile assassinations as random [[MurderSuicide Murder-Suicides]].]]
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** The corruption and mismanagement on almost every level that the High Ridge government created brought to light the failings of the Manticoran political system. The subsequent Grantville government is able to pass a series of reforms that give several powers back to the Crown to make Queen Elizabeth III more of an executive leader than any of her predecessors, place the power to pass budgets in the hands of the House of Commons to reduce the political machinations in the House of Lords, and streamline the internal workings of the Star Kingdom of Manticore to better facilitate the growing influence the nation has.
*** Furthermore, the blatant cronyism and influence peddling of the High Ridge government blew up in the faces of the parties making up said government. High Ridge's own Conservation Association, in the wake of his downfall, effectively ceases to exist overnight thanks to the removal of the North Hollow Files, a massive collection of blackmail that served as a political [[RestrainingBolt Restraining Bolt]] for many within the Manticoran Parliament. Meanwhile, the other two parties involved in High Ridge's coalition, the Progressives and the Liberals, receive their own internal strife, with the latter fracturing into various factions until most of them regroup to support the Grantville government. This effectively ends the political tug-of-war that made up decades, if not centuries, of Manticoran politics, and lets the Grantville government weather crises and enact policies that their predecessors would consider political suicide.
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* OnlySaneMan: Sir Edward Janacek quickly becomes this to the High Ridge government during ''War of Honor'', as he is the only one in High Ridge's inner circle advocating for action in response to increasingly deteriorating tensions with both the Republic of Haven and the Andermani Empire. In the face of his superiors being more concerned with domestic public opinion and maintaining their shaky power base rather than little things like potential wars, he even admits to High Ridge and the rest of the inner circle that Honor, someone he hates due to a perception that she is reckless and craves violence, is one of the few people actually trying to resolve the issues with the Andermani over their heightened aggression in the Silesian Confederacy.
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* PintSizedPowerhouse:
** [=LACs=] were, for centuries, little more than a poor man's warship, not worth their weight in scrap to "proper" space navies. This changes with the new generation of Manticoran [=LACs=] (and Haven's reverse-engineered facsimilies) built using their huge advances in miniaturization and automation. Though still weak in absolute terms, they are incredibly nimble and pack an enormous punch for their size.
** Treecats, with their razor-sharp claws, telepathic prescience, and high-gravity physique, are more than an even match for an average human.
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* ManchurianAgent: In ''At All Costs'', [[spoiler:Mesa]] secretly deploys a nanotech virus that can reprogram its victim to perform a predefined action under specific circumstances. Now, ''[[ParanoiaFuel anybody]]'' could be a sleeper assassin without even knowing it.

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* ManchurianAgent: In ''At All Costs'', [[spoiler:Mesa]] secretly deploys a nanotech virus that can reprogram its victim to perform a predefined action under specific circumstances. Now, ''[[ParanoiaFuel anybody]]'' could be a sleeper assassin without even knowing it. Technically a subversion since it does not involve any sort of [[{{Brainwashed}} psychological conditioning]]. The virus acts purely on the nervous system, [[PeoplePuppets overriding the host's control over their body]].
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** When the Solarians attack Beowulf's Cassandra shipyards in ''Uncompromising Honor'', Hamish Alexander suggests that a Mesan attack force might be using it for cover to slip into the inner system and do some civilian-slaughtering damage. The Beowulfan defenders make sure that their defenses can be reoriented in case that's true; while they don't ''think'' that's the case, nobody wants to underestimate Mesa's sneakiness, and Caddell-Markham refers to him as "constructively paranoid." [[spoiler: He wasn't paranoid ''enough''.]]
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** After a joke over regular comms gets leaked to the media, the Mandarins learn paranoia about their secret discussions and build old-fashioned, archaic-technology ''hardwired'' comm systems that can't be tapped short of a physical device, and start keeping ''really'' serious discussions face-to-face.
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** In ''Crown of Slaves'', one of the Massadans that had captured the slave freighter ''Felicia'' gropes Berry Zilwicki [[spoiler:(who they think is Princess Ruth)]] while searching her for weapons. Later, when Berry is to be moved into the "cargo" area, Cachat warns the Massadan given the task that if he molests her again, the Massadan will wind up very'painfully dead.

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** In ''Crown of Slaves'', one of the Massadans Masadans that had captured the slave freighter ''Felicia'' gropes Berry Zilwicki [[spoiler:(who they think is Princess Ruth)]] while searching her for weapons. Later, when Berry is to be moved into the "cargo" area, Cachat warns the Massadan Masadan given the task that if he molests her again, the Massadan Masadan will wind up very'painfully dead.
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* ParrotExposition: Weber seems to hold a low opinion of this trope. There are several examples throughout the series of characters chastizing themselves for reacting (or even ''thinking'' about reacting) to unexpected information by repeating back what was just heard.
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* NotSoOmniscientCouncilOfBickering: The Solarian League's legislature, based on Earth, has been one of these virtually since its inception. Not so much because its members can't cooperate or compromise (at least not compared to similar ruling bodies), but because every member world has veto power, meaning only unanimous votes ever pass. As a result, the League has become a ''de facto'' Oligarchy, with true executive power residing with the (unelected and unaccountable) senior officers of the bureauocracy.
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** Inverted with Pritchart's conclusion that [[spoiler:Arnold Giancola was working with Manpower to reignite the Haven-Manticore war]]. He was actually doing it out of self-interest and miscalculated how far he could push things. The practical significance of this distinction is minimal since the important point ([[spoiler:Manpower's involvement]]) is still true, but by Detweiler's own admission it is the most logical conclusion based on the evidence Pritchard had, making her Wrong for the Right Reasons.

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** Inverted with Pritchart's conclusion that [[spoiler:Arnold Giancola was working with Manpower to reignite the Haven-Manticore war]]. He was actually doing it out of self-interest and miscalculated how far he could push things. The practical significance of this distinction is minimal since the important point ([[spoiler:Manpower's involvement]]) is still true, but by Detweiler's own admission it is the most logical conclusion based on the evidence Pritchard Pritchart had, making her Wrong for the Right Reasons.
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* RankUp: Happens regularly, as the stories take place over a long time period in which a lot of people die to free up slots for the surviving cast members to get promoted into. The most notable example is Honor, who starts the series as a mere Commander (As a middie if you count the short stories), and is currently one of the top twenty (Possibly top ten, and slots 1-8 are reserved for the Space Lords, the administrative heads of the various Navy Bureaus) ranked officers in the Manticoran Navy and the ''second'' ranked officer in the Grayson Navy.

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* RankUp: Happens regularly, as the stories take place over a long time period in which a lot of people die to free up slots for the surviving cast members to get promoted into. The most notable example is Honor, who starts the series as a mere Commander (As a middie if you count the short stories), and is currently one of the top twenty (Possibly top ten, and slots 1-8 are reserved for the Space Lords, the administrative heads of the various Navy Bureaus) ranked officers in the Manticoran Navy and the ''second'' ranked officer in the Grayson Navy. [[spoiler:At the end of ''Uncompromising Honor'', she's offered a promotion to First Space Lord (The #1 slot) and turns it down on the grounds that after 43 years of service and three interstellar wars, she needs a long vacation.]]

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* MisguidedMissile: A most dreaded thing for any naval commander due to Eridani Edict, which forbids the deliberate bombardment of an occupied planet without first securing an orbital position and offering surrender. Though an errant missile is not technically a violation of the Edict, it might be perceived as such by the Solarian League, which could then use that as a rationale for an overwhelming military response.

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* MisguidedMissile: A most dreaded thing for any naval commander due to Eridani Edict, which forbids the deliberate bombardment of an occupied planet without first securing an orbital position and offering surrender. Though an errant missile is not technically a violation of the Edict, The Edict doesn't care if it might be perceived was accidental; commanders are expected to take every precaution to prevent collateral damage, and if they fail, then they were negligent as such by far as the Solarian League, which could then use that as a rationale for an overwhelming military response.League is concerned.
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* RecruitingTheCriminal: In the first book, Honor finds herself responsible for customs duty while having no trained customs personnel on her ship. So she has the bosun pick out some of her crew who are...intimately familiar with how to get contraband to their shipmates, most notably missile tech Horace Harkness. It works out quite well.
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* ProportionalAging: Prolong triples the human lifespan, but true to its name also prolongs ''every'' stage of human development. Several characters who have received prolong are OlderThanTheyLook, with individuals in their twenties looking as potentially young as late preteens. [[RetCon It is later mentioned]] that to avoid the {{squick}}, prolong often includes the artificial aging treatments, so that during the early stages the biological age would roughly match the real one.

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* ProportionalAging: Prolong triples the human lifespan, but true to its name also prolongs ''every'' stage of human development. Several characters who have received prolong are OlderThanTheyLook, with individuals in their twenties looking as potentially young as late preteens. [[RetCon It is later mentioned]] that to avoid the {{squick}}, prolong often includes the artificial aging treatments, so that during the early stages the biological age would roughly match the real one. It's also been pointed out that one's apparent age is more than skin deep: it's also in the way a person talks, the way they act, the way they carry themselves and, in some cases, the wear-and-tear of their lifestyle.
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* MayflyDecemberFriendship: When a bonded treecat loses their human companion, their will to live usually goes, too. This was a tragic consequence in the early days of such bonds, since treecats normally live twice as long as humans. Fortunately, the invention of prolong shortly before Honor's generation brought their two life expectancies into much closer parity.
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** Though Honor is greatly revered by the Graysons, they were never fully comfortable with her relationship with Paul Tankersley, since it goes against their mores about marriage. So there's much reason for concern when Prime Minister High Ridge slanders her for the even worse crime of secretly sleeping with Hamish Alexander, a married man. The Graysons, however, don't believe it for a second. Why? Because while she may be more sexually liberal, they know Honor is neither a liar nor a philanderer. Unfortunately, this ends up being even worse; instead of being angry at Honor, the Graysons are angry at the High Ridge government, further straining relations between the two planets.
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* OurWormholesAreDifferent: Wormholes in the Honorverse are defined as ruptures in space between n-space and {{Hyperspace}}, which usually lie within a few light-hours of a star. Ships with Warshawski sails can use them to move instantaneously between two fixed points in space, making them economically and strategically valuable. The Manticore Wormhole Junction has a whopping ''seven'' wormholes in close proximity, and the shipping tariffs it brings in are a major contributor to the SKM's affluence. Of note is that wormholes have a mass limit, and will temporarily destabilize after a transit for a period exponentially proportional to the transit mass[[note]]For the MWJ, this ranges from 10 seconds for small ships, to 2 minutes for large ships, to 17 ''hours'' for a max-size fleet[[/note]]. This means that attempting to use a wormhole to invade a star system is a risky proposal: the maximum tonnage of the invading fleet is limited, and will destabilize the wormhole for so long as to preclude any possibility of reinforcement or retreat.

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* OurWormholesAreDifferent: Wormholes in the Honorverse are defined as ruptures in space between n-space and {{Hyperspace}}, which usually lie within a few light-hours of a star. Ships with Warshawski sails can use them to move instantaneously between two fixed points in space, points, making them economically and strategically valuable. The Manticore Wormhole Junction has a whopping ''seven'' wormholes in close proximity, and the shipping tariffs it brings in are a major contributor to the SKM's affluence. Of note is that wormholes have a mass limit, and will temporarily destabilize after a transit for a period exponentially proportional to the transit mass[[note]]For the MWJ, Junction, this ranges from 10 seconds for small ships, to 2 minutes for large ships, to 17 ''hours'' for a max-size fleet[[/note]]. This means that attempting to use a wormhole to invade a star system is a risky proposal: the maximum tonnage of the invading fleet is limited, and will destabilize the wormhole for so long as to preclude any possibility of reinforcement or retreat.
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* OurWormholesAreDifferent: Wormholes in the Honorverse are defined as ruptures in space between n-space and {{Hyperspace}}, which usually lie within a few light-hours of a star. Ships with Warshawski sails can use them to move instantaneously between two fixed points in space, making them economically and strategically valuable. The Manticore Wormhole Junction has a whopping ''seven'' wormholes in close proximity, and the shipping tariffs it brings in are a major contributor to the SKM's affluence. Of note is that wormholes have a mass limit, and will temporarily destabilize after a transit for a period exponentially proportional to the transit mass[[note]]For the MWJ, this ranges from 10 seconds for small ships, to 2 minutes for large ships, to 17 ''hours'' for a max-size fleet[[/note]]. This means that attempting to use a wormhole to invade a star system is a risky proposal: the maximum tonnage of the invading fleet is limited, and will destabilize the wormhole for so long as to preclude any possibility of reinforcement or retreat.
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* OutOfContextEavesdropping: From "Nightfall" in ''Changer of Worlds''. Two characters are preparing evidence so that, if it becomes necessary to remove Esther McQueen, they'll have backup. They spend some considerable time talking about the necessity of hiding this action, since they need McQueen and will for some time yet. The final comment of the conversation (approximately, "We'll need this when we pull the trigger on McQueen") is overheard and passed to McQueen — where it triggers a full revolt. McQueen repeatedly complains that if she'd been given even six more weeks she would really have been ready. The revolt fails, McQueen dies, in the aftermath the government falls — and the entire premise of the first 8-9 books in the series (good monarchy against evil socialist republic) is fundamentally altered. The series is up to 12 books now.

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* OutOfContextEavesdropping: From "Nightfall" in ''Changer of Worlds''. Two characters are preparing evidence so that, if it becomes necessary to remove Esther McQueen, [=McQueen=], they'll have backup. They spend some considerable time talking about the necessity of hiding this action, since they need McQueen [=McQueen=] and will for some time yet. The final comment of the conversation (approximately, "We'll need this when we pull the trigger on McQueen") [=McQueen=]") is overheard and passed to McQueen [=McQueen=] — where it triggers a full revolt. McQueen [=McQueen=] repeatedly complains that if she'd been given even six more weeks she would really have been ready. The revolt fails, McQueen [=McQueen=] dies, in the aftermath the government falls — and the entire premise of the first 8-9 books in the series (good monarchy against evil socialist republic) is fundamentally altered. The series is up to 12 books now.



** Played straight and then averted in the same book by Oscar Saint-Just [[spoiler:the man had a nuclear device only he had the detonator to placed in the basement of the Octagon just in case the military got any funny ideas (which they do) and then gets taken out when Thomas Theisman stumbles across Esther McQueen's coup plan that didn't work the first time simply because Oscar Saint-Just never thought the military would try the same thing twice]].

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** Played straight and then averted in the same book by Oscar Saint-Just [[spoiler:the man had a nuclear device only he had the detonator to placed in the basement of the Octagon just in case the military got any funny ideas (which they do) and then gets taken out when Thomas Theisman stumbles across Esther McQueen's [=McQueen=]'s coup plan that didn't work the first time simply because Oscar Saint-Just never thought the military would try the same thing twice]].
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* MinovskyPhysics: A clear example, as Weber has stated that he prefers to set up the rules of his universe first, then extrapolate from there how society would develop under those rules. Gravitic technology forms the basis for just about every piece of AppliedPhlebotinum in the Honorverse: the [[FTLTravel Warshawski Sail]], the [[ReactionlessDrive Impeller Drive]], [[DeflectorShields sidewalls]], [[KineticWeaponsAreJustBetter pulser guns]], shipboard missile launchers, and even the super-tall skyscrapers that pepper the landscapes of the most advanced planets. In military doctrine especially, the status quo changes frequently as the galaxy's first large-scale war challenges many previously untested assumptions about how best to utilize these technologies.

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* MinovskyPhysics: A clear example, as Weber has stated that he prefers to set up the rules of his universe first, then extrapolate from there how society would develop under those rules. Gravitic technology (referred to collectively as "counter-grav") forms the basis for just about every piece of AppliedPhlebotinum in the Honorverse: the [[FTLTravel Warshawski Sail]], the [[ReactionlessDrive Impeller Drive]], [[ThePowerOfTheSun fusion plants]], [[ExtradimensionalPowerSource energy siphoning]], [[DeflectorShields sidewalls]], [[KineticWeaponsAreJustBetter pulser guns]], shipboard missile launchers, and even the super-tall skyscrapers that pepper the landscapes of the most advanced planets. In military doctrine especially, the status quo changes frequently as the galaxy's first large-scale war challenges many previously untested assumptions about how best to utilize these technologies.

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** Oyster Bay is Pearl Harbor In Space, while the Mesan reaction in ''Cauldron of Ghosts'' is pretty much the Warsaw Ghetto Revolt In Space, and Torch is the Haitian revolution In Space.

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** Oyster Bay is Pearl Harbor In Space, while the Mesan reaction in ''Cauldron of Ghosts'' is pretty much the Warsaw Ghetto Revolt In Space, and Torch is the Haitian revolution In Space.Space, and the Maya sector is preparing for the Sepoy Revolt In Space.
** In fact many battles or tech have their counter parts in the history of wet navies, with David Weber being a naval historian. Elements of the Battle of Manticore are taken from the Battle off Samar, with Apollo being the equivalent of radar guided gunnery according to David Weber.

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