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** While he later abandons Oswald to fend for himself, Max also defends him against anyone who speaks even slightly ill about him. He has a vested interest in making Oswald seem dignified, sure, but he's so quick witted, passionate, and well-spoken when he does so, one has to wonder if he's even fooled *himself* into loving the Penguin.

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** While he later abandons Oswald to fend for himself, Max also defends him against anyone who speaks even slightly ill about him. He has a vested interest in making Oswald seem dignified, sure, but he's so quick witted, passionate, and well-spoken when he does so, one has to wonder if he's even fooled *himself* ''himself'' into loving the Penguin.
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** While he later abandons Oswald to fend for himself, Max also defends him against anyone who speaks even slightly ill about him. He has a vested interest in making Oswald seem dignified, sure, but he's so quick witted, passionate, and well-spoken when he does so, one has to wonder if he's even fooled *himself* into loving the Penguin.
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* Bruce/Batman's "[[NotSoDifferent We are the same]]" talk to Selina and DramaticUnmask to her at the end. She outright rejects that HappilyEverAfter offer, being too messed up and too eager to take revenge on Max Shreck to think of such an opportunity at a better life, but major props to Bruce for trying.

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* Bruce/Batman's "[[NotSoDifferent "[[NotSoDifferentRemark We are the same]]" talk to Selina and DramaticUnmask to her at the end. She outright rejects that HappilyEverAfter offer, being too messed up and too eager to take revenge on Max Shreck to think of such an opportunity at a better life, but major props to Bruce for trying.
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** Earlier in the film, Chip was willing to [[GoThroughMe put himself in harm's way]], just so that his father can escape safely. This could also be why Max was willing to sacrifice himself to the penguin.
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* A minor one, but the scene when the Penguin comes out from the sewers after "rescuing" the Mayor's son from one of the Red Triangle Circus members. When Oswald peeked through the sewer with the infant, no Gothamite present at the scene recoiled in horror at his appearance or made a sign of disgust towards Oswald, demonstrating that the citizens of Gotham City can accept someone regardless of their physical appearance, unlike Oswald's parents.

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* A minor one, but the scene when the Penguin comes out from the sewers after "rescuing" the Mayor's son from one of the Red Triangle Circus Gang members. When Oswald peeked through the sewer with the infant, no Gothamite present at the scene recoiled in horror at his appearance or made a sign of disgust towards Oswald, demonstrating that the citizens of Gotham City can accept someone regardless of their physical appearance, unlike Oswald's parents.
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* A minor one, but the scene when the Penguin comes out from the sewers after "rescuing" the Mayor's son from one of hte Red Triangle Circus members. When Oswald peeked through the sewer with the infant, no Gothamite present at the scene recoiled in horror at his appearance or made a sign of disgust towards Oswald, demonstrating that the citizens of Gotham City can accept someone regardless of their physical appearance, unlike Oswald's parents.

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* A minor one, but the scene when the Penguin comes out from the sewers after "rescuing" the Mayor's son from one of hte the Red Triangle Circus members. When Oswald peeked through the sewer with the infant, no Gothamite present at the scene recoiled in horror at his appearance or made a sign of disgust towards Oswald, demonstrating that the citizens of Gotham City can accept someone regardless of their physical appearance, unlike Oswald's parents.
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* A minor one, but the scene when the Penguin comes out from the sewers after "rescuing" the Mayor's son from one of hte Red Triangle Circus members. When Oswald peeked through the sewer with the infant, no Gothamite present at the scene recoiled in horror at his appearance or made a sign of disgust towards Oswald, demonstrating that the citizens of Gotham City can accept someone regardless of their physical appearance, unlike Oswald's parents.
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* Max Shreck is an utter bastard, no doubt. But it's made clear that he really does love his son Chip. When the Penguin crashes his party to kill Chip, Max gives himself up and takes Chip's place instead.

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[[quoteright:350:https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/batmanreturns_0.jpg]] Even the most nihilistic Batman film ever has its humane moments.

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Even the most nihilistic Batman ''Batman'' film ever made has its humane moments.moments.
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** It might have flew over kids heads at the time but for young adults and adults who understood what Bruce was saying it was a very important message that women deserves equal treatment and justice as men do and 27 years later?? The message is more important than ever.

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** It might have flew over kids heads at the time but for young adults and adults who understood what Bruce was saying it was a very important message that women deserves equal treatment and justice as men do and 27 decades years later?? later? The message is more important than ever.

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* Even the most nihilistic Batman film ever has its humane moments.

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[[quoteright:350:https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/batmanreturns_0.jpg]] One tortured soul deserves another.

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One tortured soul deserves another.

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** [[BittersweetEnding It’s sort of a going away present from Selina as she realizes she will never see Bruce again but he will have something to remember her by.]]

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** [[BittersweetEnding **[[BittersweetEnding It’s sort of a going away present from Selina as she realizes she will never see Bruce again but he will have something to remember her by.]]



** It might have flew over kids heads at the time but for young adults and adults who watched it, it’s a very important message that women deserves equal treatment and justice as men do and 27 years later?? The message is more important than ever.

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** It might have flew over kids heads at the time but for young adults and adults who watched it, it’s understood what Bruce was saying it was a very important message that women deserves equal treatment and justice as men do and 27 years later?? The message is more important than ever.

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** [[BittersweetEnding It’s sort of a going away present from Selina as she realizes she will never see Bruce again but he will have something to remember her by.]]

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** [[BittersweetEnding **[[BittersweetEnding It’s sort of a going away present from Selina as she realizes she will never see Bruce again but he will have something to remember her by.]]]]
* The last lines of the film in which Alfred wishes Bruce Merry Christmas and Bruce wishing Alfred the same and also mentioning goodwill towards men and women.
** It might have flew over kids heads at the time but for young adults and adults who watched it, it’s a very important message that women deserves equal treatment and justice as men do and 27 years later?? The message is more important than ever.

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* While being driven home by Alfred, Bruce thinks he sees a shadow of Selina/Catwoman and tells him to stop the car as he searches if it is Selina but to no avail, however he does find her cat Miss Kitty and takes her. [[BittersweetEnding It’s sort of a going away present from Selina as she realizes she will never see Bruce again but he will have something to remember her by.]]

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* While being driven home by Alfred, Bruce thinks he sees a shadow of Selina/Catwoman and tells him to stop the car as he searches if it is Selina but to no avail, however he does find her cat Miss Kitty and takes her. [[BittersweetEnding
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It’s sort of a going away present from Selina as she realizes she will never see Bruce again but he will have something to remember her by.]]
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* While being driven home by Alfred, Bruce thinks he sees a shadow of Selina/Catwoman and tells him to stop the car as he searches if it is Selina but to no avail, however he does find her cat Miss Kitty and takes her. [[BittersweetEnding It’s sort of a going away present from Selina as she realizes she will never see Bruce again but he will have something to remember her by.

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* While being driven home by Alfred, Bruce thinks he sees a shadow of Selina/Catwoman and tells him to stop the car as he searches if it is Selina but to no avail, however he does find her cat Miss Kitty and takes her. [[BittersweetEnding It’s sort of a going away present from Selina as she realizes she will never see Bruce again but he will have something to remember her by. ]]
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* While being driven home by Alfred, Bruce thinks he sees a shadow of Selina/Catwoman and tells him to stop the car as he searches if it is Selina but to no avail, however he does find her cat Miss Kitty and takes her. [[BittersweetEnding It’s sort of a going away present from Selina as she realizes she will never see Bruce again but he will have something to remember her by.
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* Before Bruce figures out that Penguin is the leader of the Red Triangle Gang and is playing Gotham for fools, he first sees Oswald on TV declaring his intent to discover his parents. He tells Alfred, “His parents... I hope he finds them.” Given his own backstory, it’s a genuinely human sentiment.
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* Bruce/Batman's "[[NotSoDifferent We are the same]]" talk to Selina and DramaticUnmask to her at the end. She outright rejects that HappilyEverAfter offer, being too messed up and too eager to take revenge on Max Shreck to think of a better life, but major props to Bruce for trying.

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* Bruce/Batman's "[[NotSoDifferent We are the same]]" talk to Selina and DramaticUnmask to her at the end. She outright rejects that HappilyEverAfter offer, being too messed up and too eager to take revenge on Max Shreck to think of such an opportunity at a better life, but major props to Bruce for trying.
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* Bruce and Selina's brief date, where they're somehow able to bond over how messed up they are.

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* Bruce and Selina's brief date, where they're somehow able to bond over how messed up they are. It culminates when they dance at the party.
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* When the Penguin returns to his lair, the penguins squawk happily at him.

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* When the Penguin returns to his lair, the penguins squawk happily at him.him -- EvenEvilHasLovedOnes.
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* Bruce/Batman's "[[NotSoDifferent We are the same]]" talk to Selina and DramaticUnmask to her at the end. She outright rejects that HappilyEverAfter offer, being too messed up and too eager to take revenge on Max Shreck, but major props to Bruce for trying.

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* Bruce/Batman's "[[NotSoDifferent We are the same]]" talk to Selina and DramaticUnmask to her at the end. She outright rejects that HappilyEverAfter offer, being too messed up and too eager to take revenge on Max Shreck, Shreck to think of a better life, but major props to Bruce for trying.

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* When Penguin returns to the lair, the penguins squawk happily at him.

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* When the Penguin returns to the his lair, the penguins squawk happily at him.


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** While it's TearJerker for the most part, they loved him enough to [[DueToTheDead give him a funeral]] their own way. The film's opening implied they [[InterspeciesAdoption adopted him]].
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* Bruce/Batman's "[[NotSoDifferent We are the same]]" talk to Selina and DramaticUnmask to her at the end. She outright rejects that HappilyEverAfter offer, being too messed up and too eager to take revenge on Max Shreck, but points to Bruce for trying.

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* Bruce/Batman's "[[NotSoDifferent We are the same]]" talk to Selina and DramaticUnmask to her at the end. She outright rejects that HappilyEverAfter offer, being too messed up and too eager to take revenge on Max Shreck, but points major props to Bruce for trying.
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* Bruce/Batman's "We are the same" talk to Selina and DramaticUnmask to her at the end. She outright rejects that HappilyEverAfter offer, being too messed up and too eager to take revenge on Max Shreck, but points to Bruce for trying.

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* Bruce/Batman's "We "[[NotSoDifferent We are the same" same]]" talk to Selina and DramaticUnmask to her at the end. She outright rejects that HappilyEverAfter offer, being too messed up and too eager to take revenge on Max Shreck, but points to Bruce for trying.

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* When Penguin returns to the lair, the penguins squawk happily at him.
-->'''Penguin:''' My babies, did you miss me?



* When Penguin returns to the lair, the penguins squawk happily at him.
-->'''Penguin:''' My babies, did you miss me?
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* Bruce/Batman's "We are the same" talk to Selina and DramaticUnmask to her at the end. She outright rejects that HappilyEverAfter offer, being too messed up and too eager for revenge on Max Shreck, but points to Bruce for trying.

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* Bruce/Batman's "We are the same" talk to Selina and DramaticUnmask to her at the end. She outright rejects that HappilyEverAfter offer, being too messed up and too eager for to take revenge on Max Shreck, but points to Bruce for trying.
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* Bruce and Selina's brief date, where they're somehow able to bond over how messed up they are.
* Bruce/Batman's "We are the same" talk to Selina and DramaticUnmask to her at the end. She outright rejects that HappilyEverAfter offer, being too messed up and too eager for revenge on Max Shreck, but points to Bruce for trying.
* When Penguin returns to the lair, the penguins squawk happily at him.
-->'''Penguin:''' My babies, did you miss me?
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