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*** The musical takes place over a much shorter period of time than the book does. Remember, in the book, it is five years after Shiz before Fiyero meets Elphaba, and she Elphaba spends several (seven?) years in the mauntery before she ever goes out to the Vinkus, and then lives out there for another seven or eight years. The musical doesn't seem to indicate more than four or five years, if that, have passed between "Defying Gravity" and the end of the play.

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*** The musical takes place over a much shorter period of time than the book does. Remember, in the book, it is five years after Shiz before Fiyero meets Elphaba, and she Elphaba spends several (seven?) years in the mauntery before she ever goes out to the Vinkus, and then lives out there for another seven or eight years.years, making the witches approaching their forties at the end. The musical doesn't seem to indicate more than four or five years, if that, have passed between "Defying Gravity" and the end of the play.
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** From "Out of Oz", Ilianora (Nor), when she gives Glinda the Grimmerie early on, is introduced as having white hair (a wasting ailment, Glinda surmises), but "Her skin was dark, like a woman from the Vinkus." It just doesn't come up very often.
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** It ''is'' a fanfic, if you define fanfic as taking an existing source material and expanding/changing/rewriting it to suit you.
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There is no difference. It is also the Tin Man\'s lover\'s mother/the woman she works for who asks the Witch of East to enchant the axe.


*** Apparently, this Tin Man has the same origin as in the book (probably because it was already tragic). As a man, he fell in love with a young woman, but the Wicked Witch of the East enchanted his axe to cut off his limbs, one by one. Somehow, he managed to replace each piece of him with tin each time. In fact, the only real difference is in "Wicked", it's revealed the mother of the Tin Man's lover commissioned Nessarose to enchant the axe.

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*** Apparently, this Tin Man has the same origin as in the book (probably because it was already tragic). As a man, he fell in love with a young woman, but the Wicked Witch of the East enchanted his axe to cut off his limbs, one by one. Somehow, he managed to replace each piece of him with tin each time. In fact, the only real difference is in "Wicked", it's revealed the mother of the Tin Man's lover commissioned Nessarose to enchant the axe.
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** Maybe she was covered in blood/placenta and they couldn't see her color until they cleaned her up.
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** The Wizard has been making Elphaba a scapegoat, Public Enemy No. 1 for years. A very public campaign to murder the Wicked Witch of the West would be great for ''his'' approval rating, especially if they're flagging, so there's a good reason to make the voyage to kill the Witch public.
** I always got the impression that Dorothy wasn't present during "March of the Witch Hunters," that it was a mob or riot that started up very late at night, that only the Tin Man and Lion attended to stir up more anger and bloodlust. Dorothy mightn't have known it was happening.
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** Because Elphaba believes that the citizens of Oz would turn against Glinda if she went around saying that the Witch of the West wasn't actually wicked.

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** Because Elphaba believes that the citizens of Oz would turn against Glinda if she went around saying that the Witch of the West wasn't actually wicked.wicked.
** Personally, I saw it as a bit of FridgeBrilliance. The Wizard made an important point of mentioning that the best way to unite people is to give them an enemy to band against, which he tried to do by making the Animals of Oz scapegoats. It's possible that Elphaba remembered this and decided to use herself as a scapegoat so that the people could stay united.
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**i believe sarima was described as being white
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* Why did Elphaba ask Glinda not to clear her name and to keep people thinking she really was the evil one?

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* Why did Elphaba ask Glinda not to clear her name and to keep people thinking she really was the evil one?one?
** Because Elphaba believes that the citizens of Oz would turn against Glinda if she went around saying that the Witch of the West wasn't actually wicked.
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* Okay, so "March of the Witch Hunters" takes place after Dorothy and company meet the Wizard and decide to kill the Witch of the West. Ignoring for a moment that we have the citizens of the Emerald City singing, "Kill the Witch!" (how do they even know that Dorothy's group are setting out to kill Elphaba? What, did Dorothy blurt it out after leaving the Wizard's palace or something?), Tin Man/Boq sings lines like, "I have a personal score to settle with El--with the Witch!" and "And the Lion also/Has a grievance to repay./If she'd let him fight his own battles/When he was young,/He wouldn't be a coward today!" and, if I remember correctly, he mentions that he witnessed the lion cub incident while at Shiz University. Wouldn't singing/saying stuff like that lead to Dorothy asking questions, questions that Tin Man/Boq might not want to answer?

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* Okay, so "March of the Witch Hunters" takes place after Dorothy and company meet the Wizard and decide to kill the Witch of the West. Ignoring for a moment that we have the citizens of the Emerald City singing, "Kill the Witch!" (how do they even know that Dorothy's group are setting out to kill Elphaba? What, did Dorothy blurt it out after leaving the Wizard's palace or something?), Tin Man/Boq sings lines like, "I have a personal score to settle with El--with the Witch!" and "And the Lion also/Has a grievance to repay./If she'd let him fight his own battles/When he was young,/He wouldn't be a coward today!" and, if I remember correctly, he mentions that he witnessed the lion cub incident while at Shiz University. Wouldn't singing/saying stuff like that lead to Dorothy asking questions, questions that Tin Man/Boq might not want to answer?answer?
* "The Tinman had a crush on Glinda the good witch, but she pushed him off on the Wicked Witch of the East cause she was only interested in the Scarecrow. The Scarecrow, however, ran off with the Wicked Witch of the West."...I love Wicked, but you have to admit, it sounds like a crazy fanfic.
* Why did Elphaba ask Glinda not to clear her name and to keep people thinking she really was the evil one?
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* Okay, so "March of the Witch Hunters" takes place after Dorothy and company meet the Wizard and decide to kill the Witch of the West. Ignoring for a moment that we have the citizens of the Emerald City singing, "Kill the Witch!" (how do they even know that Dorothy's group are setting out to kill Elphaba? What, did Dorothy blurt it out after leaving the Wizard's palace or something?), Tin Man/Boq sings lines like, "I have a personal score to settle with El--with the Witch!" and "And the Lion also/Has a grievance to repay./If she'd let him fight his own battles/When he was young,/He wouldn't be a coward today!" and, if I remember correctly, he mentions that he witnessed the lion cub incident while in school. Wouldn't singing/saying stuff like that lead to Dorothy asking questions, questions that Tin Man/Boq might not want to answer?

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* Okay, so "March of the Witch Hunters" takes place after Dorothy and company meet the Wizard and decide to kill the Witch of the West. Ignoring for a moment that we have the citizens of the Emerald City singing, "Kill the Witch!" (how do they even know that Dorothy's group are setting out to kill Elphaba? What, did Dorothy blurt it out after leaving the Wizard's palace or something?), Tin Man/Boq sings lines like, "I have a personal score to settle with El--with the Witch!" and "And the Lion also/Has a grievance to repay./If she'd let him fight his own battles/When he was young,/He wouldn't be a coward today!" and, if I remember correctly, he mentions that he witnessed the lion cub incident while in school.at Shiz University. Wouldn't singing/saying stuff like that lead to Dorothy asking questions, questions that Tin Man/Boq might not want to answer?
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* So my question is this: Fiyero is brown-skinned, right? In the book, when he interrupts Dr Nikidik's class, he is described as having blue diamonds tattooed on his "dark skin." A classmate comments that his skin is "the color of shit." Sarima & her sisters, I don't recall being specified as dark, but one could assume they are because Oz doesn't seem to have much variation within each ethnic group. So I have to wonder why Nor seems to be white in "Out of Oz." "Son of a Witch" made little impression on me & "A Lion Among Men" made even less, but why would Nor be white if people from the Vinkus are dark? Unlike Liir & Rain, she has no mixed heritage, so she should look much like Fiyero unless I'm misreading something or forgetting a passage from one of the middle books.

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* So my question is this: Fiyero is brown-skinned, right? In the book, when he interrupts Dr Nikidik's class, he is described as having blue diamonds tattooed on his "dark skin." A classmate comments that his skin is "the color of shit." Sarima & her sisters, I don't recall being specified as dark, but one could assume they are because Oz doesn't seem to have much variation within each ethnic group. So I have to wonder why Nor seems to be white in "Out of Oz." "Son of a Witch" made little impression on me & "A Lion Among Men" made even less, but why would Nor be white if people from the Vinkus are dark? Unlike Liir & Rain, she has no mixed heritage, so she should look much like Fiyero unless I'm misreading something or forgetting a passage from one of the middle books.books.
* Okay, so "March of the Witch Hunters" takes place after Dorothy and company meet the Wizard and decide to kill the Witch of the West. Ignoring for a moment that we have the citizens of the Emerald City singing, "Kill the Witch!" (how do they even know that Dorothy's group are setting out to kill Elphaba? What, did Dorothy blurt it out after leaving the Wizard's palace or something?), Tin Man/Boq sings lines like, "I have a personal score to settle with El--with the Witch!" and "And the Lion also/Has a grievance to repay./If she'd let him fight his own battles/When he was young,/He wouldn't be a coward today!" and, if I remember correctly, he mentions that he witnessed the lion cub incident while in school. Wouldn't singing/saying stuff like that lead to Dorothy asking questions, questions that Tin Man/Boq might not want to answer?
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----*So my question is this: Fiyero is brown-skinned, right? In the book, when he interrupts Dr Nikidik's class, he is described as having blue diamonds tattooed on his "dark skin." A classmate comments that his skin is "the color of shit." Sarima & her sisters, I don't recall being specified as dark, but one could assume they are because Oz doesn't seem to have much variation within each ethnic group. So I have to wonder why Nor seems to be white in "Out of Oz." "Son of a Witch" made little impression on me & "A Lion Among Men" made even less, but why would Nor be white if people from the Vinkus are dark? Unlike Liir & Rain, she has no mixed heritage, so she should look much like Fiyero unless I'm misreading something or forgetting a passage from one of the middle books.
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*** The book's map places Shiz in almost the center of Gillikin, so yes, you're correct. North of the EC, which is almost in the center of Oz itself.


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*** Elphaba's mother is a Munchkinland noblewoman who just happens to have height in her genes. Her father is heavily implied, if not out right confirmed to be the Wizard, while her "dad," Frex, is a Munchinkinland native, though probably not short. That would make Elphaba half Munchkin.
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** Only pure water seems to be dangerous to her, or pure-ish water. Her tears also burn her, but she obviously can't be deathly allergic to everything containing water--most of the human body is made up of water.

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*** She's blonde in Maguire's book, though.



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** This really depends on how it's played; the production I recently saw had Elphaba pushing Nessa out of the way, which ''thoroughly''' messed up the spell.
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* If Elphaba was allergic to water, how did she drink? Or did she just not have to?

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* If Elphaba was allergic to water, how did she drink? Or did she just not have to?IIRC, she's seen drinking alcohol at one point, which would obviously contain water.
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* If Elphaba was allergic to water, how did she drink? Or did she just not have to?

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** I always thought that the blondness (and the whole Galinda thing) was simply a way to not immediately conclude that this was Glinda we were seeing. Of course ItWasHisSled set it, and that was that, but it probably worked for the first generation of readers.



*** The musical takes place over a much shorter period of time than the book does. Remember, in the book, Elphaba spends several (seven?) years being insane in the mauntery before she ever goes out to the Vinkus, and then lives out there for another seven or eight years (Liir was in his early teens when Elphaba died, if I'm remembering correctly). The musical doesn't seem to indicate more than four or five years, if that, have passed between "Defying Gravity" and the end of the play.

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*** The musical takes place over a much shorter period of time than the book does. Remember, in the book, it is five years after Shiz before Fiyero meets Elphaba, and she Elphaba spends several (seven?) years being insane in the mauntery before she ever goes out to the Vinkus, and then lives out there for another seven or eight years (Liir was in his early teens when Elphaba died, if I'm remembering correctly).years. The musical doesn't seem to indicate more than four or five years, if that, have passed between "Defying Gravity" and the end of the play.
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** It can't be Avaric. Elphaba visits him while the Scarecrow is supposed to be with Dorothy. Though I did notice the foreshadowing and thought that might be it myself.

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** That was a deliberate red herring. It can't be Avaric. Elphaba visits him while the Scarecrow is supposed to be with Dorothy. Though I did notice the foreshadowing and thought that might be it myself.
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** Listen to the audiobook. It's very clear which is being mentioned despite there being no noticeable difference in pronunciation.
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** Maybe she didn't want to hurt her sister? Or maybe physically stopping someone in the middle of a spell is dangerous?
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*When Nessa begins to read the spell that will enchant Boq, Elphaba hovers over her ineffectually, shouting for her to stop. Didn't she think of grabbing the book away? Or, you know, pushing her sister out of the way?
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* I'm probably looking too much into this, but I recently watched ''Film/TheWizardOfOz'' while keeping ''{{Theatre/Wicked}}'' in mind, and during the scene where the Tin Man is introduced, he mentions that he became rusted a year ago. But according to ''{{Theatre/Wicked}}'', Tin Man/Boq becoming rusted couldn't have been more than two days before Dorothy and Scarecrow/Fiyero encounter him. I can readily agree with the theory that Scarecrow/Fiyero is lying (or stretching the truth, at the very least) about not having a brain as part of a XanatosGambit, but what reason does Tin Man/Boq have to lie about how long he was rusted?

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* I'm probably looking too much into this, but I recently watched ''Film/TheWizardOfOz'' while keeping ''{{Theatre/Wicked}}'' in mind, and during the scene where the Tin Man is introduced, he mentions that he became rusted a year ago. But according to ''{{Theatre/Wicked}}'', Tin Man/Boq becoming rusted couldn't have been more than two days before Dorothy and Scarecrow/Fiyero encounter him. I can readily agree with the theory that Scarecrow/Fiyero is lying (or stretching the truth, at the very least) about not having a brain as part of a XanatosGambit, brain, but what reason does Tin Man/Boq have to lie about how long he was rusted?
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*** Actually, as far as I'm aware, in the original Oz books there's no mention of the Munchkins being shorter than other people from Oz. They're described as short when Dorothy first meets them, but they're the first Ozites she's seen, so the features that make them different from Kansasians are given extra emphasis. A decent argument can be made that ''everyone'' in Oz is very short by RealLife standards, and L. Frank Baum just rarely bothered to mention it. As for ''{{Wicked}}'', the only non-Ozites we see are the Wizard (who, if the original illustrations are anything to go by, is a rather short fellow) and Dorothy (who's a small child); if everyone's more-or-less equally short, and their surroundings are of an appropriately small scale, there's no reason the height difference should ever come up.

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*** Actually, as far as I'm aware, in the original Oz books there's no mention of the Munchkins being shorter than other people from Oz. They're described as short when Dorothy first meets them, but they're the first Ozites she's seen, so the features that make them different from Kansasians are given extra emphasis. A decent argument can be made that ''everyone'' in Oz is very short by RealLife standards, and L. Frank Baum just rarely bothered to mention it. As for ''{{Wicked}}'', ''Literature/{{Wicked}}'', the only non-Ozites we see are the Wizard (who, if the original illustrations are anything to go by, is a rather short fellow) and Dorothy (who's a small child); if everyone's more-or-less equally short, and their surroundings are of an appropriately small scale, there's no reason the height difference should ever come up.
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** My guess is this: Dorothy is an innocent enough girl with no idea how dangerous Oz really is. Glinda isn't a powerful witch, so she gave Dorothy the shoes with the hope that they would give her some sort of protection. How was she to know that Elphaba would be so badly affected?
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** On a related note, the Scarecrow in the book. In the original Oz books, he was always alive, perfectly content being brainless and immobile. But what's his place in the Wicked series? Are all scarecrows alive in that Oz? Was that Scarecrow a special case? Was he even a real Scarecrow?
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*** Apparently, this Tin Man has the same origin as in the book (probably because it was already tragic). As a man, he fell in love with a young woman, but the Wicked Witch of the East enchanted his axe to cut off his limbs, one by one. Somehow, he managed to replace each piece of him with tin each time. In fact, the only real difference is in "Wicked", it's revealed the mother of the Tin Man's lover commissioned Nessarose to enchant the axe.
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** Why does Wicked not have this excuse? It's still Oz. Oz full of talking animals, witches, magic shoes, and flying broom sticks. It's the same world, just told in a very different way. Magical whimsical tin smiths are still a viable option.

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