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** To quote the M. Man himself "[[RobotChicken What a twist!]]"
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** To quote the M. Man himself "[[RobotChicken "[[WesternAnimation/RobotChicken What a twist!]]"
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Exactly what had humanity been doing for the 300-400 years it took the human genome to mutate? I mean, we went through Industrial revolution and technological boom in that amount time. No way the humans just watched it all idly for that long. I don't know, space colonies?
Exactly what had humanity been doing for the 300-400 years it took the human genome to mutate? I mean, we went through Industrial revolution and technological boom in that amount time. No way the humans just watched it all idly for that long. I don't know, space colonies?
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How was Pilcher expecting to remain safe in his [[spoiler: hidden mountain complex]] if seemingly all the security in the tunnel beneath the [[spoiler: abandoned lot]] was a card-protected metal door and a flimsy wooden trap door? Did he count on the fact that the abbies simply wouldn't bother with the tunnel?
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How was Pilcher expecting to remain safe in his [[spoiler: hidden mountain complex]] if seemingly all the security in the tunnel beneath the [[spoiler: abandoned lot]] was a card-protected metal door and a flimsy wooden trap door? Did he count on the fact that the abbies simply wouldn't bother with the tunnel?
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***** They do show exactly that, though I do admit it doesn't exactly stand out. The [[spoiler: supply room hidden in the school]] has two gun racks right by the door the camera shows us. I think it's safe to assume there are more too.
***** They do show exactly that, though I do admit it doesn't exactly stand out. The [[spoiler: supply room hidden in the school]] has two gun racks right by the door the camera shows us. I think it's safe to assume there are more too.
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***** They do show exactly that, though I do admit it doesn't exactly stand out. The [[spoiler: supply room hidden in the school]] has two gun racks right by the door the camera shows us. I think it's safe to assume there are more too.
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****OP here: ^ Yes, and it would have taken 5 seconds to actually SHOW the room supplied with weapons, and I (and probably a lot of other people) would have been satisfied. Or more so. I hope there is a second season, because at heart, I am a softy that enjoys a happy ending. I do plan on reading the books now, as overall, I really did enjoy the show. Thank you both!
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*** It's not the ending of the book - although this troper enjoyed both versions - but there is no reason to assume the teens were unarmed and every reason to assume they were. We're told the secret room contains everything they'll need to survive. Just because we don't see shelves of weapons doesn't mean they're not there. And it would be foolish NOT to include weapons. With the Abbies around they would be a necessity to survive just in case they ever breached the fence and would possibly be required to keep the rest of the population in line, besides. It would have been extremely short-sighted of Pilcher not to include weapons in the supplies, all things considered.
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*** Please, don't get me started. I enjoyed the show but that didn't stop me being constantly frustrated by huge blocks of great plot being jettisoned and inexplicably replaced with less logical, far inferior plot instead. While understanding that you have to lose something when transferring book to screen, half the time the reason for the changes were baffling. A case of "You had a great idea there why did you just dump it for this nonsense?"
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** To quote the M. Man himself "[[RobotChicken What a twist!]]"
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* I really really hated the ending. I would have been less angry if there was a believable answer to my question. And I don't think there is going to be a season 2.
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** He's definitely got a few bats in the belfry, but the finale shows that's he's terrifyingly ... sane, I guess? [[spoiler: Even as he cuts power to Wayward Pines, he's clearly planned for this contingency, or at least a contingency like this one. The first generation kids pretty clearly had instructions to go to the one room in the school if everything went to hell, and the Head Boy (whats-his-face), in turn, had been given the keys to that massive storeroom full of survival stuff. So I think Pilcher planned pretty well (from his perspective). If Group B got uppity, he'd let the Abbies in to clean the place out, while his first generation Kreepy Kulty Kids holed up in the "ark." If Group B got real uppity and executed Pilcher himself, then the Kreepy Kulty Kids would reassert order and carry on Pilcher's work.]]
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** Pilcher seems to have come unhinged from two things. First was the revelation about the Abbies: He pretty clearly thought that he'd be starting with a clean slate after humanity had more or less burned itself out, carrying forward enough for civilization to get a fresh start (and possibly "bringing civilization" to whatever humans had survived). Second, when he let the first batch in on the secret, he was likely shocked by the reaction of the townsfolk turning on themselves/killing themselves off. That pair of shockers likely did a pretty good job of breaking him, and he didn't seem to react too well. It seems clear that his sister was trying to work with him to keep his head on (the pie bit comes to mind), but that's probably what caused him to crack. From there he held on to control tightly for fear of another meltdown (that motivation appears sincere), and combined with a rather overpowering paternalistic streak you get where things are at the start of the series.
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** Do we really need to ask? I think its pretty clear the guy isn't stable, just the same way most of his followers aren't stable.
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*Item 1: He goes straight from "Well, I [[spoiler: told Group A the truth about it being 2000 years in the future with genetic abberations running around]] and that didn't work out, so I guess I'll just have to [[spoiler: keep Group B in the dark, have strict rules and kill anyone who asks too many questions]]
*Item 2: His grand plan for saving humanity involves [[spoiler: kidnapping people and sticking them in cryosleep for 2000 years then forcing them to live a pretend happy life and never speak of the past]]
*Item 3: We know he's got [[spoiler: loads of volunteers running the surveillance of Wayward Pines]]. Why not use them as the townsfolk instead of [[spoiler: random people he's kidnapped and out in cryosleep for 2000 years?]]
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*Item 1: He goes straight from "Well, I [[spoiler: told Group A the truth about it being 2000 years in the future with genetic abberations running around]] and that didn't work out, so I guess I'll just have to [[spoiler: keep Group B in the dark, have strict rules and kill anyone who asks too many questions]]
*Item 2: His grand plan for saving humanity involves [[spoiler: kidnapping people and sticking them in cryosleep for 2000 years then forcing them to live a pretend happy life and never speak of the past]]
*Item 3: We know he's got [[spoiler: loads of volunteers running the surveillance of Wayward Pines]]. Why not use them as the townsfolk instead of [[spoiler: random people he's kidnapped and out in cryosleep for 2000 years?]]
Item 4: When Ethan [[spoiler: tells the whole town the truth,]] David Pilcher's response is to [[spoiler: Cut all the electricity, including the fence keeping the genetic abberations out]]
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**He didn't foresee the Abbies, so it's a major monkey-wrench in his plans.
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* I haven't read the books, but in the show, Pilcher claims that ecological damage was causing human beings to evolve, presumably into the Abbies. However, it looks like Pilcher's just reconstructed a late 90s/early 2000s small American town. Is he planning to keep the population small enough so they never have to expand outside the fence, and if so, do they have the resources to feed the maximum population forever? And if Pilcher plans to eventually expand outside the fence, which would be necessary to re-establish human civilization, what would prevent the processes that changed the non-frozen population from eventually affecting the formerly-frozen? Is the idea that the passage of time has "reset" Earth's ecology to the point where it's no longer trying to force-create Abbies via human evolution?
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* I haven't read the books, but in the show, Pilcher claims that ecological damage was causing human beings to evolve, presumably into the Abbies. However, it looks like Pilcher's just reconstructed a late 90s/early 2000s small American town. Is he planning to keep the population small enough so they never have to expand outside the fence, and if so, do they have the resources to feed the maximum population forever? And if Pilcher fence? If he plans to eventually expand outside the fence, expand, which would be necessary to re-establish human civilization, what would prevent the processes that changed the non-frozen population from eventually affecting the formerly-frozen? Is the idea that the passage of time has "reset" Earth's ecology to the point where it's no longer trying to force-create Abbies via human evolution?
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* I haven't read the books, but in the show, Pilcher claims that ecological damage was causing human beings to evolve, presumably into the Abbies. However, it looks like Pilcher's just reconstructed a late 90s/early 2000s small American town. Is he planning to keep the population small enough so they never have to expand outside the fence, and if so, do they have the resources to feed the maximum population forever? And if Pilcher plans to eventually expand outside the fence, which would be necessary to re-establish human civilization, what would prevent the processes that changed the non-frozen population from eventually affecting the formerly-frozen? Is the idea that the passage of time has "reset" Earth's ecology to the point where it's no longer trying to force-create Abbies via human evolution?
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* I haven't read the books, but in the show, Pilcher claims that ecological damage was causing human beings to evolve, presumably into the Abbies. However, it looks like Pilcher's just reconstructed a late 90s/early 2000s small American town. Is he planning to keep the population small enough so they never have to expand outside the fence, and if so, do they have the resources to feed the maximum population forever? And if Pilcher plans to eventually expand outside the fence, which would be necessary to re-establish human civilization, what would prevent the processes that changed the non-frozen population from eventually affecting the formerly-frozen? Is the idea that the passage of time has "reset" Earth's ecology to the point where it's no longer trying to force-create Abbies via human evolution?
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** Pilcher seems to have been able to get a few hundred people (-ish) to believe him. Most of the rest (probably a few thousand) were abducted. Also, Pilcher seems to have figured that //something// was going to go wrong but it is also made clear that he mis-guessed //what// was going to happen (e.g. he expected civilization to collapse but didn't anticipate the Abbies).
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*** Then why couldn't they say that on the show? A few ounces of AppliedPhlebotinum. Is that too much to ask???
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** In the books, Pilcher managed to create a perfect vacuum, thus allowing everything to be preserved and not age a day. Presumably they did the same here.
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**** It really depends outright what they were preserving. If its pure raw materials, it could potentially make it, if stored specifically to preserve it for that long (not sure about the fuel though).
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*** Preserve it all for three or four decades? Sure. Preserve it for a century or two? You're straining credibility. But preserve it for 2000 years? I'm sorry, not enough Handwavium here.
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** Pilcher most likely had all the necessary parts and materials stored away carefully and safely, to preserve them for when they were necessary (say large amounts of raw materials), they clearly took quite a lot with them as shown inside the Bunker. Likewise they clearly keep all there manufacturing underground, the town is only for the people to live in and interact. All the real work goes on behind the curtain.
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[[folder: Where did they get the damn helicopter??]]
* OK, so per episode 5 ("The Truth") and David Pilcher's InfoDump, the show is telling us that Wayward Pines is actually in a BadFuture where the EldritchAbominations ("Abbies") are running around, civilization is ruined, etc., etc. Every man, woman, and child in town was a HumanPopsicle in Pilcher's little "save humanity" scenario. Pilcher says they've got about 100 volunteers who run the place, and they kidnapped a few thousand people in the early 21st century to be part of their experiment. So ... tiny town with a wall, civilization is dead. Yet, Wayward Pines has multiple well-built houses, armed guards with very high-powered rifles, and a freaking helicopter!! Where did these things come from? If they are from 2014, then the tech would have fallen apart centuries before the show. If they are from 4028, then where is the town's manufacturing capacity?? This makes no sense!!!
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* OK, so per episode 5 ("The Truth") and David Pilcher's InfoDump, the show is telling us that Wayward Pines is actually in a BadFuture where the EldritchAbominations ("Abbies") are running around, civilization is ruined, etc., etc. Every man, woman, and child in town was a HumanPopsicle in Pilcher's little "save humanity" scenario. Pilcher says they've got about 100 volunteers who run the place, and they kidnapped a few thousand people in the early 21st century to be part of their experiment. So ... tiny town with a wall, civilization is dead. Yet, Wayward Pines has multiple well-built houses, armed guards with very high-powered rifles, and a freaking helicopter!! Where did these things come from? If they are from 2014, then the tech would have fallen apart centuries before the show. If they are from 4028, then where is the town's manufacturing capacity?? This makes no sense!!!
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** If episode 6 is to be believed, only a handful of people actually believed Pilcher, but they were responsible for forcibly abducting most of Wayward Pines' residents over a number of years, and Pilcher had enough money to put the infrastructure in place.
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* How did David Pilcher know that [[spoiler: the destruction of human civilization and the evolution of the Abbies would happen 2000 years before it did?]] I don't care how good his science is, nothing is perfect. Seemingly reasonable and sound predictions turn out to be wrong all the time. If he turned out to be wrong, he was going to be guilty of assault, abduction, and possibly a couple of things there aren't even names for yet. What was he going to do if that happened?happened? For that matter, are we to believe that over 2000 years ago, people took everything that this lone scientist was saying at face value? Because there is no way he built this town and acquired all the supplies that were needed for it by himself. He would have needed a large number of people to buy into what he was saying.
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* How did David Pilcher know that [[spoiler: the destruction of human civilization and the evolution of the Abbies would happen 2000 years before it did?]] I don't care how good his science is, nothing is perfect. Seemingly reasonable and sound predictions turn out to be wrong all the time. If he turned out to be wrong, he was going to be guilty of assault, abduction, and possibly a couple of things there aren't even names for yet. What was he going to do if that happened?
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