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* If all the towns built on the spiral structure keep getting destroyed, why do people keep building more towns there? Shouldn't somebody had noticed? This would make sense if something like this only happened once, but if it's happened multiple times, we do people keep building towns on land that keeps showing itself to be a DeathWorld?
** I think Shuichi saying hundreds and thousands of years is REALLY misleading-- clearly we're working on a bigger scale here. I think what happens is that it's a mystery for a while, but everything is forgotten eventually. If Stone Henge or the Pyramids disappeared overnight, it would be a huge deal. . . But gradually, as time went on, people would forget there was ever anything there, and documents about them would -eventually- be gone as well. Then, someone just has to realize that there's a nice-sized piece of land that nobody's using for some reason, and we're back to square one.
** I think Shuichi saying hundreds and thousands of years is REALLY misleading-- clearly we're working on a bigger scale here. I think what happens is that it's a mystery for a while, but everything is forgotten eventually. If Stone Henge or the Pyramids disappeared overnight, it would be a huge deal. . . But gradually, as time went on, people would forget there was ever anything there, and documents about them would -eventually- be gone as well. Then, someone just has to realize that there's a nice-sized piece of land that nobody's using for some reason, and we're back to square one.
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** There are certain commonalities. A small seaside town from which the protagonist cannot escape. As the story progresses, said protagonist witnesses bizarre transformations in the people of the town as it gradually falls to ruins. Said protagonist is gradually, inextricably drawn into the increasing horror and madness around them, eventually accepting their fate and finding what solace they can. I'm not saying that Ito drew inspiration from the Lovecraft story, but there are parallels once you start looking.
* If all the towns built on the spiral structure keep getting destroyed, why do people keep building more towns there? Shouldn't somebodyhad have noticed? This would make sense if something like this only happened once, but if it's happened multiple times, we do people keep building towns on land that keeps showing itself to be a DeathWorld?
** I think Shuichi saying hundreds and thousands of years is REALLY misleading-- clearly we're working on a bigger scale here. I think what happens is that it's a mystery for a while, but everything is forgotten eventually. IfStone Henge Stonehenge or the Pyramids disappeared overnight, it would be a huge deal. . . But gradually, as time went on, people would forget there was ever anything there, and documents about them would -eventually- be gone as well. Then, someone just has to realize that there's a nice-sized piece of land that nobody's using for some reason, and we're back to square one.
* If all the towns built on the spiral structure keep getting destroyed, why do people keep building more towns there? Shouldn't somebody
** I think Shuichi saying hundreds and thousands of years is REALLY misleading-- clearly we're working on a bigger scale here. I think what happens is that it's a mystery for a while, but everything is forgotten eventually. If
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** My working theory is that Kirie [[spoiler:had already been saved from the spiral once before when her hair was contaminated by the spiral then cut off, making it see her as something of a threat, thus targeting her more directly]]. That, and Shuichi did mention that the typhoon seemed 'attracted' to her, something that [[spoiler:might have been a reminant of the attractive powers from the same hair incident]].
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** My working theory is that Kirie [[spoiler:had already been saved from the spiral once before when her hair was contaminated by the spiral then cut off, making it see her as something of a threat, thus targeting her more directly]]. That, and Shuichi did mention that the typhoon seemed 'attracted' to her, something that [[spoiler:might have been a reminant remnant of the attractive powers from the same hair incident]].
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** My working theory is that Kirie [[spoiler:had already been saved from the spiral once before when her hair was contaminated by the spiral then cut off, making it see her as something of a threat, thus targeting her more directly]]. That, and Shuichi did mention that the typhoon seemed 'attracted' to her, something that [[spoiler:might have been a reminant of the attractive powers from the same hair incident]].
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*** I'm pretty sure she hadn't been moved to the mental ward yet, and was still in a general hospital. At the same time, though, they should have probably removed sharp objects from her room after she started cutting off her own fingertips.
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* Shuichi's knowledge of what's happening to the town is handwaved at first with "he goes to school outside of town, so he notices things more." But in chapter 6, he actively predicts an event that had literally ''no'' warning signs (Kirie's hair being contaminated by the Spiral), and even after that, he always seems to know more about what's happening than even the other characters who come from outside of town (like Tanizaki, and Chie). Coupled with the fact that somebody mentioned a few bullet points ago, the fact that Shuichi is the only character who never becomes contaminated by the Spiral, this whole thing seems to suggest that Shuichi either a) is psychic or b) has some sort of connection to the Spiral. [[TakeAThirdOption Or both]]. It gets even weirder when he starts "hypothesizing" about Kurozu-cho's history with the Spiral. We never actually get any sort of real explanation after the "going to school outside of town" excuse stops working.
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* Wait, so why did the typhoons call Kirie's name? There's no particular reason why whatever is affecting the town would be interested in her more than anyone else (except possibly the fact that [[spoiler:she's one of the last two people to be consumed by it]]). Also, how did no one else notice this rather bizarre weather phenomenon? In Junji Ito's HellstarRemina, just having the planet named for her is enough to turn millions of people against the protagonist. How did no one reach the conclusion that they could sacrifice Kirie and everything would go back to normal?
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* Wait, so why did the typhoons call Kirie's name? There's no particular reason why whatever is affecting the town would be interested in her more than anyone else (except possibly the fact that [[spoiler:she's one of the last two people to be consumed by it]]). Also, how did no one else notice this rather bizarre weather phenomenon? In Junji Ito's HellstarRemina, Manga/HellstarRemina, just having the planet named for her is enough to turn millions of people against the protagonist. How did no one reach the conclusion that they could sacrifice Kirie and everything would go back to normal?
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** Having a planet with millions of people on it named after you is much different than having a typhoon in a small-town calling your name. It's obvious that not everyone in Kurozu-Cho knows who Kirie is, much less knows her name, so there wouldn't be enough of a mob mentality to build up that idea. Alternately, it's possible that only Kirie's immediate family (including Shuichi) heard the typhoon calling her name, as no one else mentions it to her after.
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*** Well, there ''is'' always the somewhat comforting possibility that she's not talking to some horrifying inhuman thing, and that the Spiral City is letting her reach out to communicate after years of being [[AndIMustScream basically alone, with only her thoughts, fears, and regrets to keep her company]]. The city does seem to want attention, after all. There are a lot of parallels between attention seeking and being obsessed with the spiral, and giving it attention is how people invite the spiral into their minds in the first place. People hearing or reading her story would of course develop a fascination with spirals and start noticing them more often, which is the first step doing the long, spiraling road to-[[ParanoiaFuel oh god, this isn't nearly as comforting as I intended]].
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*** Well, there ''is'' always the somewhat comforting possibility that she's not talking to some horrifying inhuman thing, and that the Spiral City is letting her reach out to communicate after years of being [[AndIMustScream basically alone, with only her thoughts, fears, and regrets to keep her company]]. The city does seem to want attention, after all. There are a lot of parallels between attention seeking and being obsessed with the spiral, and giving it attention is how people invite the spiral into their minds in the first place. People hearing or reading her story would of course develop a minor fascination with spirals and start noticing them more often, which is the first step doing the long, spiraling road to-[[ParanoiaFuel oh god, this isn't nearly as comforting as I intended]].
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*** Well, there ''is'' always the somewhat comforting possibility that she's not talking to some horrifying inhuman thing, and that the Spiral City is letting her reach out to communicate after maybe tens of thousands of years of being [[AndIMustScream basically alone, with only her thoughts, fears, and regrets to keep her company]]. The city does seem to want attention, after all. There are a lot of parallels between attention seeking and being obsessed with the spiral, and giving it attention is how people invite the spiral into their minds in the first place. People hearing or reading her story would of course develop a fascination with spirals and start noticing them more often, which is the first step doing the long, spiraling road to-[[ParanoiaFuel oh god, this isn't nearly as comforting as I intended]].
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*** Well, there ''is'' always the somewhat comforting possibility that she's not talking to some horrifying inhuman thing, and that the Spiral City is letting her reach out to communicate after maybe tens of thousands of years of being [[AndIMustScream basically alone, with only her thoughts, fears, and regrets to keep her company]]. The city does seem to want attention, after all. There are a lot of parallels between attention seeking and being obsessed with the spiral, and giving it attention is how people invite the spiral into their minds in the first place. People hearing or reading her story would of course develop a fascination with spirals and start noticing them more often, which is the first step doing the long, spiraling road to-[[ParanoiaFuel oh god, this isn't nearly as comforting as I intended]].
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* Wait, so why did the typhoons call Kirie's name? There's no particular reason why whatever is affecting the town would be interested in her more than anyone else (except possibly the fact that [[spoiler:she's one of the last two people to be consumed by it]]). Also, how did no one else notice this rather bizarre weather phenomenon? In Junji Ito's HellstarRemina, just having the planet named for her is enough to turn millions of people against the protagonist. How did no one reach the conclusion that they could sacrifice Kirie and everything would go back to normal?
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** I always assumed that the fact that he knew from the very start of the whole spiral thing that something was really wrong in the town, added to the fact that he left the place from time to time gave him some kind of tolerance and immunity that comes with having an outside perspective. As to why it would interact with him only, I wouldn't be surprised if the Spiral was messing with him ForTheEvulz exactly because he knew of its evil nature from the beginning, but no one listened to him about it.
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** Another possibility is that it's another effect of the spiral curse -- it's been shown to keep people from reacting sensibly or hide information that should be obvious before. Concealing that a town was there before or making people not care is well in line with that sort of thing.
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** I think Shuichi saying hundreds and thousands of years is REALLY misleading-- clearly we're working on a bigger scale here. I think what happens is that it's a mystery for a while, but everything is forgotten eventually. If Stone Henge or the Pyramids disappeared overnight, it would be a huge deal. . . But gradually, as time went on, people would forget there was ever anything there, and documents about them would -eventually- be gone as well. Then, someone just has to realize that there's a nice-sized piece of land that nobody's using for some reason, and we're back to square one.
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* If all the towns built on the spiral structure keep getting destroyed, why do people keep building more towns there? Shouldn't somebody had noticed? This would make sense if something like this only happened once, but if it's happened multiple times, we do people keep building towns on land that keeps showing itself to be a DeathWorld?
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* A meta-question: what does ''Uzumaki'' have to do with "TheShadowOverInnsmouth"? I keep hearing the two compared but they seem to have nothing in common other than one is by Lovecraft and the other has Lovecraftian influences.
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* A meta-question: what does ''Uzumaki'' have to do with "TheShadowOverInnsmouth"? "Literature/TheShadowOverInnsmouth"? I keep hearing the two compared but they seem to have nothing in common other than one is by Lovecraft and the other has Lovecraftian influences.
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** They're both [[CosmicHorrorStory Cosmic Horror]] stories taking place in a TownWithADarkSecret by the sea. That's all I've got.
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** We never find out, because Kirie never goes back. [[spoiler:If there were more doctors, assuming they weren't eaten, the other women probably had their babies put back in them. From there, they probably stayed inside as much as they could. Given how little control Keiko seemed to have when her baby was put back in her, this troper wouldn't be surprised if, between them all, the women killed everyone in the hospital and ended up attacking and killing off each other for food.]] Chances are they weren't still around after the hurricane season (or at least found shelter elsewhere), since the hurricanes destroyed pretty much every building but the row houses and no one says anything about [[spoiler:having to be careful of blood-sucking pregnant women.]]
** We never find out, because Kirie never goes back. [[spoiler:If there were more doctors, assuming they weren't eaten, the other women probably had their babies put back in them. From there, they probably stayed inside as much as they could. Given how little control Keiko seemed to have when her baby was put back in her, this troper wouldn't be surprised if, between them all, the women killed everyone in the hospital and ended up attacking and killing off each other for food.]] Chances are they weren't still around after the hurricane season (or at least found shelter elsewhere), since the hurricanes destroyed pretty much every building but the row houses and no one says anything about [[spoiler:having to be careful of blood-sucking pregnant women.]]
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** At the beginning the spiral's influence was tailored to each individual, thus the karmic effects. After the hurricanes passed the spiral changed the way it operated. There came ''rules'' which applied equally to everyone. Thus, the snail transformations came back with a new mode of operation.
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** As a former mental patient, that bothered me, too. We weren't even allowed to have shoelaces or outside shampoo, nevermind SCISSORS...
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*** Personally, this troper always assumed that she remained fully aware after being turned to stone, which probably eroded her sanity over time; in order to cope with the horror of what had become of her I always assumed that she escaped into her own mind and what we see at the beginning is actually all a fantasy that she had concocted due to having lost her mind or as a coping mechanism.
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*** [[FridgeBrilliance Which is why the tornadoes showed up]]. People can't go too fast or too slow, and for because of the crazies stirring up storms the only shelter were the row houses that everyone began to cram into. Eventually there was no escape.
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*** [[FridgeBrilliance Which is why the tornadoes showed up]]. People can't go too fast or too slow, and for the crazies the only shelter were the row houses that everyone began to cram into. Eventually there was no escape.
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** There is no karmic reasoning behind it. There's no reasoning behind any of it. Reality is warping in the town and chaos is everywhere.
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** Actually, what is a sharp pair of scissors doing in a mental ward in the first place? It seems like a really bad idea to have anything that you wouldn't let a kindergartner or preschooler handle where a mental patient can get at it, if nothing else because you can't trust that those patients who are personally safe handling them know not to give them to patients who, well, aren't...
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*The whole Snail People phenomenon revamp towards the end still doesn't sit well here. First, because the more disturbing implication that it was a karmic punishment was dropped... why? It's not like there wasn't plenty of karmic punishment to be dished out, what with people cooking snail people ''alive'' and all! Secondly, the explanation(granted, it was given by Shuichi) that it gets the slower people... but didn't people get slower ''because'' they were turning into snails? It also doesn't make much sense that [[spoiler:Mitsuo go it, since earlier we see Kirie prompting him to slow down so he won't create whirlwinds]]. And, more important... [[WhatHappenedToTheMouse what did those eggs hatch into]]?
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* Shouldn't they have taken the pair of scissors out of Shuichi's mother's room? I mean, she is a mental patient and have been prone to self harming. It must be safer without such tools around.
