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* In Season 2, Episode 12, Jack interrogates Syed Ali and finally gets him to break and talk by showing him footage that's supposedly a live feed of his family being executed by security
forces in Ali's home country, which is later revealed to be fake doctored footage. This is all well and good... Except during the fake out, we get a scene of President Palmer being notified of this action and calling Jack because he isn't approving of it, and after the president gets off the call, Jack pretends out loud that the president approved to unnerve Ali. My question is, if Jack's plan was using doctored footage the whole time, then why was DOD or the president even notified in the first place since it was never going to be a real execution? There was no logical reason for the President to hear about it and call Jack over it other than for tension and drama.
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** That's not even that unbelievable. Bullet proof vest are designed to stop bullets. They do that by spreading out the impact. Knives and other blades with sufficient force are actually a good weapon choice.
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* Why does Saunders primarily focus on the US? Shouldn't he be mad at the British government for abandoning him?
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** Jack doesn't do what he does out of loyalty to his country, or any particular ideology. In his WorldOfCardboardSpeech at the end of Day 7, he reveals that he does what he does and keeps coming back simply because he ''can't'' walk away. Of all the bad things he's done, the one thing he wouldn't be able to live with himself with would be turning away when he was in a position to save an innocent life. ''Any'' innocent life, at any cost.

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** Jack doesn't do what he does out of loyalty to his country, or any particular ideology. In his WorldOfCardboardSpeech HeroismMotiveSpeech at the end of Day 7, he reveals that he does what he does and keeps coming back simply because he ''can't'' walk away. Of all the bad things he's done, the one thing he wouldn't be able to live with himself with would be turning away when he was in a position to save an innocent life. ''Any'' innocent life, at any cost.

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** This one is explained over in WildMassGuessing [[spoiler: He's an exiled timelord]]

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** This one is explained over in WildMassGuessing [[spoiler: WildMassGuessing: He's an exiled timelord]]timelord



* You'd think that having terrorists using a single piece of hardware almost managing to cause all America's nuclear power plants to meltdown would teach the administration a lesson about centralized infrastructure control through an open medium. But no - as of season 7, [[spoiler: it seems they've gone ahead and put ''all'' their eggs into one basket, without any form of localized oversight, contingency or countermeasure that can be implemented in a period of less than days. Just how many people had to have their hands on the IdiotBall simultaneously, over how many months, to bring this firewall system to fruition?]]

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* You'd think that having terrorists using a single piece of hardware almost managing to cause all America's nuclear power plants to meltdown would teach the administration a lesson about centralized infrastructure control through an open medium. But no - as of season 7, [[spoiler: it seems they've gone ahead and put ''all'' their eggs into one basket, without any form of localized oversight, contingency or countermeasure that can be implemented in a period of less than days. Just how many people had to have their hands on the IdiotBall simultaneously, over how many months, to bring this firewall system to fruition?]]fruition?



* The government, CTU, and so forth all appear to be run by uncoordinated idiots during the weeks leading up to any given day, whereas the terrorist organizations are always perfectly coordinated. By the end of the day, the government has survived through basically blind luck. Look at any season: four or so "good guys" will end up being moles, while rarely will even one of the bad guys be an undercover operative; the President will always have to make a decision which results in a few other people going behind his or her back and doing something even more extreme (apparently the slippery slope is easy to get onto and at a near 90 degree angle: recently on Day 8 [[spoiler: one government official went from being skeptical about not giving into terrorist demands to allowing his close friend and boss to die of a heart attack in a matter of ''minutes'']]; and there is always very little if any intel before the season about a potential attack.

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* The government, CTU, and so forth all appear to be run by uncoordinated idiots during the weeks leading up to any given day, whereas the terrorist organizations are always perfectly coordinated. By the end of the day, the government has survived through basically blind luck. Look at any season: four or so "good guys" will end up being moles, while rarely will even one of the bad guys be an undercover operative; the President will always have to make a decision which results in a few other people going behind his or her back and doing something even more extreme (apparently the slippery slope is easy to get onto and at a near 90 degree angle: recently on Day 8 [[spoiler: one government official went from being skeptical about not giving into terrorist demands to allowing his close friend and boss to die of a heart attack in a matter of ''minutes'']]; ''minutes''; and there is always very little if any intel before the season about a potential attack.



* How did the terrorists record such a long video before [[spoiler: killing Hassan]]?

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* How did the terrorists record such a long video before [[spoiler: killing Hassan]]?Hassan?



* I just find it head bangingly stupid that Jack didn't think to tell anyone that [[spoiler: Audrey was alive in Season 6]]. Wouldn't the news that [[spoiler: the daughter of the former secretary of defense was being held hostage by the Chinese]] cause an uproar in the United States? I can't think of any situation in which the American government would just take that sort of thing lying down.

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* I just find it head bangingly stupid that Jack didn't think to tell anyone that [[spoiler: Audrey was alive in Season 6]]. 6. Wouldn't the news that [[spoiler: the daughter of the former secretary of defense was being held hostage by the Chinese]] Chinese cause an uproar in the United States? I can't think of any situation in which the American government would just take that sort of thing lying down.



* In ''Live Another Day'', President Heller signs a letter of resignation, effective at the time that he's scheduled to [[spoiler:turn himself over to Al-Harazi]], yet after [[spoiler:Jack unexpectedly saves him at the last moment]], he's still president.

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* In ''Live Another Day'', President Heller signs a letter of resignation, effective at the time that he's scheduled to [[spoiler:turn turn himself over to Al-Harazi]], Al-Harazi, yet after [[spoiler:Jack Jack unexpectedly saves him at the last moment]], moment, he's still president.



* (Some fans are still hoping [[spoiler: Max and/or Trepkos]] from Day 2 shows up again.)

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* (Some fans are still hoping [[spoiler: Max and/or Trepkos]] Trepkos from Day 2 shows up again.)



*** They haven't actually been building up to anything like that [[spoiler:Max was killed in the Game while the rest of his group were said to have been captured prior to Day 3. The second group was a company ran by Jack's father and brother that was resolved in Day 6 with their deaths, with it being completely separate from the previous group. The third group in Day 7 ATTEMPTED to be this, but it was so thrown together at the last minute that no one bought it and it just lead to people mocking the David Palmer assassination conspiracy, so it was dropped. This "ultimate showdown with a bland cabal of vagueness behind everything" was mainly the viewpoint of some fans who wanted to have a link between all the seasons even though none really existed. Basically all of them are aborted arcs that some fans tried to link together but in the show nothing actually came of them]]

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*** They haven't actually been building up to anything like that [[spoiler:Max Max was killed in the Game while the rest of his group were said to have been captured prior to Day 3. The second group was a company ran by Jack's father and brother that was resolved in Day 6 with their deaths, with it being completely separate from the previous group. The third group in Day 7 ATTEMPTED to be this, but it was so thrown together at the last minute that no one bought it and it just lead to people mocking the David Palmer assassination conspiracy, so it was dropped. This "ultimate showdown with a bland cabal of vagueness behind everything" was mainly the viewpoint of some fans who wanted to have a link between all the seasons even though none really existed. Basically all of them are aborted arcs that some fans tried to link together but in the show nothing actually came of them]]them.
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* In season 5, it's initially explained that Bierko planned to transport the nerve gas to Russia before using it, and only decides to attack Americans because his escape is thwarted. Given that, how does he not only have a detailed plan for attacking the gas company a few hours later, but he also has a plan in place to escape from custody and carry out yet another attack on a submarine?
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* In season 2, why did Marie Warner schedule her wedding on the day the bomb was to go off?
* In season 3, how did Gael initially connect with Hector Salazar? I can't think of any logical way this relationship formed and somehow Hector never suspected anything was off?

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****I don't think he took it off himself, one of the guard's did. That and, he wasn't tortured or anything. He cracked basically because they threatened to send him to a chinese concentration camp and he'd never see his family again and never be rescued. He'd be stuck there for the rest of his life. Anybody would crack under that.





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\n*Ok, so the time in this show is constantly moving, even during the commercials. But does the time also still run, are events still happening during the end credits and the pre-show recap?

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** In spite of an earlier episode saying the data on the keycard is on a magnetic stripe, if you look closely it's obviously a smart card. It's likely they can't copy anything off the card without breaking the code first. This is by design specifically to prevent duplication.

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** In spite of an earlier episode saying the data on the keycard is on a magnetic stripe, if you look closely it's obviously a smart card. It's likely they can't copy anything off the card without breaking the code first. This is by design specifically to prevent duplication. Remember that the keycard wasn't made to store data. But rather to provide access to secure areas. It wouldn't work very well if someone could just copy it.
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** In spite of an earlier episode saying the data on the keycard is on a magnetic stripe, if you look closely it's obviously a smart card. It's likely they can't copy anything off the card without breaking the code first. This is by design specifically to prevent duplication.
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** If everyone in the Russian government was against the peace treaty, why were they part of the it to begin with?
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*** It isn't TruthInTelevision. The vast majority of terrorist plots in RealLife are thwarted, mostly because of the incompetence of the terrorists- for a start, being part of a cell of fanatics makes one ''more'' likely to be caught since other people notice how unusual it is; most successful terrorist attacks are carried out by lone wolves. Real government agencies are constantly tracking down and monitoring terrorist websites (which terrorists in the show are shown to use and communicate through); keep extremely- often invasively- close surveillance on known or suspected extremists as well as anyone who so much as shook hands with them; run extensive background checks on ALL employees for months at least before hiring anyone (up to and including janitors, never mind computer analysts or field agents)...yeah, the truth is the agencies in the ''24'' universe are jus grossly incompetent.

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*** It isn't TruthInTelevision. The vast majority of terrorist plots in RealLife are thwarted, mostly because of the incompetence of the terrorists- for a start, being part of a cell of fanatics makes one ''more'' likely to be caught since other people notice how unusual it is; most successful terrorist attacks are carried out by lone wolves. Real government agencies are constantly tracking down and monitoring terrorist websites (which terrorists in the show are shown to use and communicate through); keep extremely- often invasively- close surveillance on known or suspected extremists as well as anyone who so much as shook hands with them; run extensive background checks on ALL employees for months at least before hiring anyone (up to and including janitors, never mind computer analysts or field agents)...agents) and they take their jobs VERY seriously when it gets to the point that major terrorist attacks are at risk of happening...yeah, the truth is the agencies in the ''24'' universe are jus just grossly incompetent. incompetent.
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*** It isn't TruthInTelevision. The vast majority of terrorist plots in RealLife are thwarted, mostly because of the incompetence of the terrorists- for a start, being part of a cell of fanatics makes one ''more'' likely to be caught since other people notice how unusual it is; most successful terrorist attacks are carried out by lone wolves. Real government agencies are constantly tracking down and monitoring terrorist websites (which terrorists in the show are shown to use and communicate through); keep extremely- often invasively- close surveillance on known or suspected extremists as well as anyone who so much as shook hands with them; run extensive background checks on ALL employees for months at least before hiring anyone (up to and including janitors, never mind computer analysts or field agents)...yeah, the truth is the agencies in the ''24'' universe are jus grossly incompetent.
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** ''24: The Game'' revolves around Nina and Max working together, and brings in Chase following a lead to LA and Kim joining CTU. [[NoProblemWithLicensedGames If you're interested in season 2.5 pick it up.]]

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** ''24: The Game'' revolves around Nina and Max working together, and brings in Chase following a lead to LA and Kim joining CTU. [[NoProblemWithLicensedGames [[SugarWiki/NoProblemWithLicensedGames If you're interested in season 2.5 pick it up.]]
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*** There's a moment in Thomas Harris' ''[[TheSilenceOfTheLambs Hannibal]]'' where Clarice Starling ruminates about a recent botched drug raid and who's going to take the fall. The exact term used is "Catch-Me-Fuck-Me". In a government, it's not about who's actually at fault, it's about who can be sufficiently ''blamed''; you can't make it far into any government without being a KarmaHoudini, and the fact that America is a democracy (where all elected officials need to look perfect to ''become'' elected officials) just makes it worse. Buchanan (and, as of Season 7, CTU itself) was simply too slow, and got caught. And fucked.

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*** There's a moment in Thomas Harris' ''[[TheSilenceOfTheLambs Hannibal]]'' ''{{Literature/Hannibal}}'' where Clarice Starling ruminates about a recent botched drug raid and who's going to take the fall. The exact term used is "Catch-Me-Fuck-Me". In a government, it's not about who's actually at fault, it's about who can be sufficiently ''blamed''; you can't make it far into any government without being a KarmaHoudini, and the fact that America is a democracy (where all elected officials need to look perfect to ''become'' elected officials) just makes it worse. Buchanan (and, as of Season 7, CTU itself) was simply too slow, and got caught. And fucked.
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*** For me it's almost a JustBugsMe that people keep commenting on how his cell never dies. My phone can easily go 24 hours without needing to be recharged even when I talk on it a lot.

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*** For me it's almost a JustBugsMe me, that people keep commenting on how his cell never dies. My phone can easily go 24 hours without needing to be recharged even when I talk on it a lot.



* How does Bazhaev's son get radiation poisoning from the fuel rods, yet Farhad and his mooks have them out in the open without being affected by the radiation? [[note]]Uranium radiation actually isn't that dangerous in real life, but what JustBugsMe is that the rods are dangerous at first when Bazhaev has them, then suddenly not dangerous when Farhad has them.[[/note]]

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* How does Bazhaev's son get radiation poisoning from the fuel rods, yet Farhad and his mooks have them out in the open without being affected by the radiation? [[note]]Uranium radiation actually isn't that dangerous in real life, but what JustBugsMe is that the rods are dangerous at first when Bazhaev has them, then suddenly not dangerous when Farhad has them.[[/note]]
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* Why was {{Fox}} so damn intent on painting all Russians as being evil in season 6? Did they forget that the cold war is over?

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* Why was {{Fox}} {{Creator/FOX}} so damn intent on painting all Russians as being evil in season 6? Did they forget that the cold war is over?
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*** Actually, in season one, when Jack was in holding (in CTU) after rescuing Teri and Kim from Paul Gaines, you see him eating lunch. Few fans remember this happening, since they probably haven't viewed that scene since 2002.

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*** Actually, in season one, when Jack was in holding (in CTU) after rescuing Teri and Kim from Paul Ira Gaines, you see him eating lunch. Few fans remember this happening, since they probably haven't viewed that scene since 2002.
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*** Squirt a little, let it dry, repeat.

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*** Squirt a little, let I've always wondered why so many people ask this question. Given that no character is constantly on-screen, doesn't it dry, repeat.stand to reason that they all use the restrooms when other characters are being shown?
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** It depends on the agency. The CIA, for example, wouldn't allow any previously unauthorized visitors. However, there are some subagencies of DHS that allow personal visits, although I'm sure they'd prefer if they were notified ahead of time and it wasn't on the employee's work time. That being said, they would definitely have a log of it. And it's possible to find the address of many "secret" locations thanks to the interwebs. And we've seen CTU employees give out the address before, so it's definitely not outside the realm of public knowledge at this point.

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** It depends on This is a major headscratcher. An agency with the agency. The CIA, for example, wouldn't allow any previously unauthorized visitors. However, there are some subagencies of DHS Top Secret access like CTU--and especially the Comm section where everyone in the series works--would have to be a SCIF (Sensitive Compartmentalized Information Facility), meaning that allow personal visits, although I'm sure they'd prefer if they were notified ahead of time no one without a security clearance should even be allowed in there; and it EVERY visitor to the SCIF that wasn't on the employee's work time. That being said, they supposed to be in there would definitely have to be checked in by security and then made to sign a log of it. And it's possible and be constantly supervised by whatever SCIF-occupying employee was sponsoring their visit. It would be a gross security violation to find do otherwise in the address of many "secret" locations thanks to real world. CTU, though, has been clearly breaking the interwebs. And we've seen CTU employees give out rules for security protocols since the address before, so it's definitely not outside the realm first minutes of public knowledge at this point.Day 1.
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** Russia worked for what they wanted in season five; it has fairly recognizable terrorist problems (in the Chechen terrorists) and fits the Cold War model that Logan can evoke [[RichardNixon Nixonian]] imagery by engaging in diplomacy with. The Russians also work for they wanted in seasons six and eight because the former Soviet Union is probably the most recognizable place to obtain black market nuclear weapons from.

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** Russia worked for what they wanted in season five; it has fairly recognizable terrorist problems (in the Chechen terrorists) and fits the Cold War model that Logan can evoke [[RichardNixon [[UsefulNotes/RichardNixon Nixonian]] imagery by engaging in diplomacy with. The Russians also work for they wanted in seasons six and eight because the former Soviet Union is probably the most recognizable place to obtain black market nuclear weapons from.
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** Kim's clearly been Megan's nanny for a while, given the bond between them that's shown. Its possible Gary hasn't been present that often during her work schedule, considering he's depicted as an over-stressed workaholic. The day is definitely the first time Kim has witnessed his explosive temper, as she questions Megan about it and seems completely shocked. Therefore, the day the season takes place on is the first time Gary let his temper slip up in front of Kim.
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* SerialKillersSpecificTarget. If she murdered the photographer, she would have to do it on the plane and ''somehow'' hide the body, since its' likely that someone will come to pick him up at the airport. That is extremely risky and even if she gets away with it, the cover of their guy might be blown if the body is discovered after the fact and ID'ed. Murdering the photographer looks like murder; crashing a plane looks like a tragic accident.

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* SerialKillersSpecificTarget.** SerialKillingsSpecificTarget. If she murdered the photographer, she would have to do it on the plane and ''somehow'' hide the body, since its' likely that someone will come to pick him up at the airport. That is extremely risky and even if she gets away with it, the cover of their guy might be blown if the body is discovered after the fact and ID'ed. Murdering the photographer looks like murder; crashing a plane looks like a tragic accident.
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* SerialKillersSpecificTarget. If she murdered the photographer, she would have to do it on the plane and ''somehow'' hide the body, since its' likely that someone will come to pick him up at the airport. That is extremely risky and even if she gets away with it, the cover of their guy might be blown if the body is discovered after the fact and ID'ed. Murdering the photographer looks like murder; crashing a plane looks like a tragic accident.

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** And in Season Five, Jack obtains, loses and recovers an incriminating recording and never once bothers to make a copy or even play it over the phone while he is coordinating with CTU.



** And in Season Five, Jack obtains, loses and recovers an incriminating recording and never once bothers to make a copy or even play it over the phone while he is coordinating with CTU.
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* Season 2: It's a minor point but why would Gary the wife beater and child abuser hire a nanny in the first place to be a witness to his misdeeds?
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** Tom Clancy syndrome. Clancy has never quite gotten over the Cold War, and it's clear he's the major thematic inspiration for 24.

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** Tom Clancy Creator/TomClancy syndrome. Clancy has never quite gotten over the Cold War, and it's clear he's the major thematic inspiration for 24.



*** Have you read Clancy's books? After 1991, his books pretty much portray Russia as working with America. In fact, Russia becomes a member of NATO. But that all ends in ''EndWar''. But if you think about it, nothing in ''EndWar'' makes sense.

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*** Have you read Clancy's books? After 1991, his books pretty much portray Russia as working with America. In fact, Russia becomes a member of NATO. But that all ends in ''EndWar''. ''VideoGame/EndWar''. But if you think about it, nothing in ''EndWar'' ''[=EndWar=]'' makes sense.
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** The U.S. wasn't exactly in a position to do anything about it. The country had just suffered through a massive terrorist campaign which culminated in an American city getting nuked and the President being assassinated, [[FlipFlopOfGod maybe.]] Plus, they had just barely avoided going to war with Russia. Considering that CTU had captured the Chinese agent responsible, Vice President Daniels probably just counted that as tit for tat.
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** His resignation wouldn't actually be effective until the letter was delivered to the Secretary of State.
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* How does Cheng Zhi know exactly where Audrey and Jiao Sim are going to meet?

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