History Headscratchers / TronLegacy

* Ok, this may be minor compared to other plot holes, but... Encom writes its own O.S., right? Then why in the world are they running UNIX on their servers? And why is Flynn doing exactly the same on the server in his secret lab? That would be just as silly as portraying Microsoft running UsefulNotes/MacOS on the company network and Bill Gates using it on his home computer.

** OP here, and while writing FanFic, I had a Fridge Brilliance moment. Maybe he did try to explain what he saw, but [[CassandraTruth everyone dismissed it as a product of his vivid imagination]] or [[WhatDoYouMeanItWasntMadeOnDrugs thought Flynn was smoking things he confiscated at the arcade]].

** If this is the case and Kevin's matter was recycled, wouldn't this put a damper on CLU's plan to send a digital army into the physical world? He wouldn't have enough matter to manifest all those soldiers.

* Sam had his clothes (or the data that represented his clothes) removed in the Grid. Quorra's data should likely consist solely of her "genome", so likely [[InnocentFanserviceGirl no clothes there]], either. The laser integrator likely re-integrated Sam and Quorra at the same time, and probably put them in the chair he left. This troper will leave [[NakedOnArrival the rest]] to be deduced individually, but the possibilities range from the [[NakedFirstImpression mildly embarrassing]] to the [[CoitusEnsues downright naughty]]. Being a Disney movie, it's no wonder this sequence was glossed over.

** The Grid is located on the computer that's in the basement of the arcade, so yes it's meant to be a mainframe. As for it's purpose, this Grid was in essenence, a sandbox. Flynn created it so he could have a controlled environment where research and experiments could be carried out with greater speed and convenience than they could in analog space, owing to the fact that time is processed faster in the Grid and presumably ''anything'' can be created (and anything that can't can be digitized in). The other programs we see presumably have functions, they just perform them off screen. Alternatively they were less computer programs like in the first Grid and more programmed life forms that were meant to fill out the simulation. As to what Flynn was doing? He was "trying to create the perfect system", or at least an efficient sandbox program that could be used by both professionals and consumers to various ends (at least until the [=ISos=] arrived). Both the movie and the ARG material hint that the Grid was already an open secret to those in Flynn's inner circle (such as Sam and presumably Alan) and that Flynn was preparing to announce it (along with the [=ISos=] existence) to the world. But before he could, CLU took over.

In the original Tron, the computer world that Flynn enters is the fantastical sci-fi personification of the Encom computer system, inhabited by anthropomorphized programs all created for specific purposes, as all programs are. Each program person Flynn meets in the story represents a real program that runs and has a purpose on the Encom computer mainframe, and the conflict within the computer world between the Master Control program and other programs reflects real world events and actions going on using the computers. But the Grid does not appear to be similar at all; there is no indication that the Grid is a computer or mainframe system in the same way as the Encom computer world was. All the beings inside are still referred to as Programs but aside from Clu, who was created to "keep order" there is no indication this time around that any of the programs actually "do" anything that corresponds with programs on a real world computer. And it begs the question to me; before the ISOs showed up, what exactly was Flynn doing with the Grid?? What is its purpose? If, like with Encom, it's just the internal world of a computer, then you would expect that primarily Flynn would be using it in the real world, like a real computer, but he clearly spends all his time inside. Seems like, rather than being the world inside a computer, the Grid is more like an independent digital parallel world that just exists inside a mainframe, and has no purpose but to just exist. But why would Flynn create such a thing, what benefit would it have. (unless he was just trying to create [[Film/FreeGuy Life Itself]] before its time]].

In the original Tron, the computer world that Flynn enters is the fantastical sci-fi personification of the Encom computer system, inhabited by anthropomorphized programs all created for specific purposes, as all programs are. Each program person Flynn meets in the story represents a real program that runs and has a purpose on the Encom computer mainframe, and the conflict within the computer world between the Master Control program and other programs reflects real world events and actions going on using the computers. But the Grid does not appear to be similar at all; there is no indication that the Grid is a computer or mainframe system in the same way as the Encom computer world was. All the beings inside are still referred to as Programs but aside from Clu, who was created to "keep order" there is no indication this time around that any of the programs actually "do" anything that corresponds with programs on a real world computer. And it begs the question to me; before the ISOs showed up, what exactly was Flynn doing with the Grid?? What is its purpose? If, like with Encom, it's just the internal world of a computer, then you would expect that primarily Flynn would be using it in the real world, like a real computer, but he clearly spends all his time inside. Seems like, rather than being the world inside a computer, the Grid is more like an independent digital parallel world that just exists inside a mainframe, and has no purpose but to just exist. But why would Flynn create such a thing, what benefit would it have. (unless he was just trying to create [[''Film/FreeGuy'' Life Itself]] before its time]].

*** Encom not having many cameras around in the movies kind of makes sense, in a way... both versions of the company actually shown on screen are up to some really shady crap, the CEOs probably want to minimize their chances of being caught on film doing something illegal (like in the digitizer lab or server room).

*** It was a "problem" not "insoluble problem." And either way it's ''still'' going to slow down the invasion fleet while you build and position new lasers...unless you could just blast a hole in the arcade roof and use [[CrazyAwesome the laser to materialize the invasion fleet in midair]]...

*** If the original MCP can link like that to the real world then why bother with he other towers? MCP seems to want to put everything under it's direct control and give itself more power so it really doesn't make sense to have the towers around. Even Dumont said that they do occasionally make use of the towers so there is obviously some kind of need for them to be around.

* If a disc has all your data on it, then why didn't they think to steal Clu's disc and just mess up his code.

*** But if they all ganged up on him and distracted him then they might pull it off. Heck they could replicate how Flynn got his disc stollen by using one of those grapplers and catching him unaware. Either way, it seems a better last resort than self-destructing...

''Nothing has a good guarantee to work in these ecxperiments but if the alternative is worse than might as well. Either Sam thinks of a way to deal with CLU, or his dad gets done over by him.'' You're not providing an alternative. You're providing a giant pile of "ifs" and "maybes."

*** Okay after rewatching that scene its clear that CLU is barely hanging on the ledge BEFORE Sam and Quorra even step under the portal. So Sam and Quorra could have finally finished of CLU withouth the need of Keven's self-destruct.

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* Ok how come Rinzler rammed his light jet into CLU's rather than WhyDontYouJustShootHim And please don't say it's because he has super durable light constucts because his light cycle was destroyed by the light runner's light streak all the same. It sees like the good guys in this movie are all bent on HeroicSacrfices for no good reason.

** As the OP said, Clu was too crazy to get out... And THAT is exactly why he needed to be stopped, not because he was looking to escape just to explore. As for the safeguards that Flynn had up already, there is no indication that Flynn knew the reprecussions of a program exiting the Grid and therefore wanted to keep things under control, as much for the saftey of an adventurous/curious program (who might not be able to exit and stay whole for all that is known) as anything.

* Regarding the Isos. Yes, it was a horrible, evil, Sith-Level monstrosity that Clu committed by inciting hatred against them. [[VideoGame/TronEvolution The creation of Abraxas and cold murder of Radia]] just scratched the surface. [[WesternAnimation/TronUprising The Iso Wars, bombing of their cities, mass genocide are even worse]]. However, the Grid was falling apart from gridbugs, system failures, and capacity issues before the coup (see the Betrayal comic). It went from being on the verge of irrecoverable crash to stable enough to run uninterrupted for nearly 21 years. The other disturbing element was that Flynn was delighted about the Isos, enough and go on and on about how great Isos were, how much of a "miracle" they were, his "gift to the world." The Programs get slapped with a denigrating label of Basics, and Flynn doesn't seem to be interested in them (to the point of possibly throwing them all under the bus, Tron included, just to he could save Quorra and his own ass). But aren't the Programs ''also'' miracles? Aren't they also life from nothing with unknown origin? Aren't they also sentient lifeforms with their own social order, dreams, sense of humor? Weren't they also worth respect? Wouldn't even the simplest accounting script like Ram rewrite everything - science, medicine, religion - just as much as an Iso could?

** Actually, the film confirms his age as 27 (and 6 in 1989). The film is set in 2010 (if you go by the time shown on the screen before Same enters The Grid), and Flynn mentioned in the original that Bit is "another mouth to feed", confirming that the original took place at most a year before Sam was born.

* [[YouFailBiologyForever Why does the grid spontaneously generate sentient life first?]] Sentient life on earth arose through eons of time - why were there no smaller bio-digital steps along the way?

*** THIS. Clu gets out in the human world, but he has ''very'' little idea of [[HumansAreBastards how nasty we're capable of being]]. The only human he has for reference is Flynn; not much of a fighter and a borderline (if not outright) pacifist. Master Control and (in the AlternateContinuity, [[VideoGame/TronTwoPointOh [=fCon=] ]] ) were smart enough to be sneaky about their world domination plans. Clu is a grandstanding idiot by comparison. Humanity have seen dozens like him in the past and present. We'll see plenty like him in the future. He breaks out, and maybe he starts taking over the city. But we'll nuke a whole city to keep a guy like him from having a city block. Even if we have to BreakOutTheMuseumPiece, go to pre-WW2 tech, or break out an electromagnetic pulse to nail him and his rectified army to the wall, we'll do it. Hell, even if there's none of them and two humans left, we'll call it a victory. And after that, GuiltFreeExterminationWar on every computer and Program on Earth, down to Ada Lovelace's punch cards without losing a wink of sleep.

* WesternAnimation/TronUprising seems to use the term "cycle" as the equivalent of a day. For example, in "Grounded," General Tesler gives the Renegade until the end of the cycle to surrender to the Occupation and free the programs heading to the Games and abolish the curfew.

Now, Quorra ''says'' Flynn fought back, but what evidence of it do we see? Nada. Zilch. He sent out Anon in ''TronEvolution'' to do some fighting for him. There's not even a mention of him in ''TronUprising.'' If he were really fighting back, wouldn't the Loyalist Programs would know it? Worse is that Flynn ''knew'' about Clu's rectification plan, but it didn't occur to him ''once'' to flick the abacus and consider the possibility (horrible as it was) about Rinzler's identity, especially since Clu seems to have come up with this scary masked enforcer who was ''never'' seen prior to the coup? Essentially, the Loyalist Programs like Beck and Tron appear to have been left to fend for themselves. ''Millions'' of Programs die or worse while he sits in his cushy prison guarding the last fragment of the Iso "miracle." I don't want to go all RonTheDeathEater here, but did he really throw the Programs under the bus, his ''close friend included'' just to save Quorra?

*** This troper took the inflection of that "yeah..?" to mean both "of course you're supposed to do that, I told you to, didn't I?" and "wait, what are you insinuating?" at the same time. Which must have been either incredibly difficult for JeffBridges to pull off correctly, or a complete fluke. In both cases it's awesome.