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* So Unicron can sense the arrival of Cybertron when it is days away. Yet in Dark of Moon, Cybertron was right in Earth's orbit and Unicron doesn't stir at all.

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* So Unicron can sense the arrival of Cybertron when it is days away. Yet in Dark of Moon, Cybertron was right in Earth's orbit and Unicron doesn't stir at all.all.
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[[folder: Why didn't Unicron react to Cybertron in Dark of the Moon?]]
*So Unicron can sense the arrival of Cybertron when it is days away. Yet in Dark of Moon, Cybertron was right in Earth's orbit and Unicron doesn't stir at all.

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** Cybertron varies in size even within the movie. Like, the establishing shots in space show that Cyberton is now smaller than earth, but it's still moon-sized and its chunks that approach our planet should at least be as large as a mid-sized country, and yet when the action is with the characters that clearly isn't the case. On the other hand, nonsensical shifts in size and mass is such a staple in the franchise, honestly that's the least of the film's problems.

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* The series frequently retcons a lot of stuff from earlier movies to make things work, it's just that Last Knight is extra retcon-y.

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[[folder: Our worlds are now joined as one...? we all dead right?]]
*So the film ends with Cybertron literally connected to the Earth/[[spoiler:Unicron]] not to beat a dead horse, but wouldn't that have caused at least some form of ecological, not to mention, apocalyptic damage, even if it wasn't with Quintessa trying the earth dry, it seems to be a bit bigger than the earth, and if something as small (astronomically speaking) as the moon can affect the earth from in the region of 240 thousand miles away, how is it that Cybertron which while being mostly honeycombed hollow, would still have a significant gravitational field, the second Cybertron hit even near the moon, we would start to feel problems straight away. not to mention the part of Cybertron imapacting, that would of caused extinction events several times over. (to be fair this probably applies to Cybertron in Dark of the Moon). also are they just ''leaving'' cybertron there, the ending wasn't clear.

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** So? The Death Star rightfully belonged to the Empire. Just because she's evil doesn't mean she forfeits property rights (unless there's a Cybertronian law to that effect, I guess).


Optimus is surprised to see Cybertron devastated. When was it ever anything but devastated? I thought the war destroyed Cybertron. That was a main plot point, right? Sentinel in the third movie was trying to use resources from Earth to rebuild civilization on the planet? And that's why they couldn't flee in the face of persecution in the fourth film?

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* Optimus is surprised to see Cybertron devastated. When was it ever anything but devastated? I thought the war destroyed Cybertron. That was a main plot point, right? Sentinel in the third movie was trying to use resources from Earth to rebuild civilization on the planet? And that's why they couldn't flee in the face of persecution in the fourth film?



Why is Cybertron dramatically smaller than we saw in the third movie?

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* Why is Cybertron dramatically smaller than we saw in the third movie?



We learn Transformers have been interacting with humans since at least the 5th century. Optimus' explanation for their English fluency back in film one was that they learned off the Internet. This implies that they didn't speak Earth languages until the invention of the Internet, so how did they communicate with humans back then?

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* We learn Transformers have been interacting with humans since at least the 5th century. Optimus' explanation for their English fluency back in film one was that they learned off the Internet. This implies that they didn't speak Earth languages until the invention of the Internet, so how did they communicate with humans back then?

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** Lockdown called them knights. Optimus calls them "legendary warriors".

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** My personal theory is that since it got halved in DOTM and is made from Transformium like it's inhabitants, it's not too hard to imagine that Quintessa just transformed it or it has some sort of failsafe system to keep it in sphere form. It's the best reason I can come up with, anyway.


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* Well, it could be that they slowly learned it from humanity before internet, but that internet allows them to learn it in seconds.

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** I was always unclear whether or not that line was meant to be Bumblebee's own voice, or him using another radio clip. I admit I don't know where the clip could be from, though.

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[[folder: We learned Earth languages through the World Wide Web]]
We learn Transformers have been interacting with humans since at least the 5th century. Optimus' explanation for their English fluency back in film one was that they learned off the Internet. This implies that they didn't speak Earth languages until the invention of the Internet, so how did they communicate with humans back then?


Optimus is surprised to see Cybertron devastated. When was it ever anything but devastated? I thought the whole reason they fled to Earth was because the war destroyed most of their planet, and they never repaired it as far as I remember (that's a bit stupid in and of itself, since if I remember the second film all they need to do to rebuild the Allspark and save their species is to find some uninhabited star system and steal their sun, but never mind).

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Optimus is surprised to see Cybertron devastated. When was it ever anything but devastated? I thought the whole reason they fled to Earth was because the war destroyed most of their planet, and they never repaired it as far as I remember (that's Cybertron. That was a bit stupid main plot point, right? Sentinel in and of itself, since if I remember the second film all they need third movie was trying to do use resources from Earth to rebuild civilization on the Allspark and save their species is to find some uninhabited star system and steal their sun, but never mind). planet? And that's why they couldn't flee in the face of persecution in the fourth film?


* Is there supposed to be some relationship between the Dinobots from the last movie and the Knights of Iacon? Why isn't it ever discussed?

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* Is there supposed to be some relationship between the Dinobots from the last movie and the Knights of Iacon? Why isn't It feels like the Dinobots just lost their "mystic knight" status sometime between this film and the last, and these new characters just picked it up.
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[[folder: What has happened to my world?]]
Optimus is surprised to see Cybertron devastated. When was
it ever discussed? anything but devastated? I thought the whole reason they fled to Earth was because the war destroyed most of their planet, and they never repaired it as far as I remember (that's a bit stupid in and of itself, since if I remember the second film all they need to do to rebuild the Allspark and save their species is to find some uninhabited star system and steal their sun, but never mind).
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[[folder: Your Size May Vary]]
Why is Cybertron dramatically smaller than we saw in the third movie?

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[[folder: We already did Knights]]
* Is there supposed to be some relationship between the Dinobots from the last movie and the Knights of Iacon? Why isn't it ever discussed?


* Optimus claims that he did not hear Bumblebee [[spoiler:speak]] since Cybertron died. But didn't he hear him do so back at the end of the first movie?

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* Optimus claims that he did not hear Bumblebee [[spoiler:speak]] since Cybertron died. But didn't he hear him do so back at the end of the first movie? movie that came out in 2007?
** Perhaps at the end of the 2007 film, Bumblebee's voice was altered and it sounded different than his usual voice.

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