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* Okay seriously, this is getting old. "Oh how horrible! The Autobots were being hunted down by a rouge CIA paramilitary. Anyways, let's declare all Transformers illegal and kill them all." IgnoredEpiphany much humanity?
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* Okay seriously, this is getting old. "Oh how horrible! The Autobots were being hunted down by a rouge rogue CIA paramilitary. Anyways, let's declare all Transformers illegal and kill them all." IgnoredEpiphany much humanity?
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** "Treachery" can mean a few things. While usually Starscream in most incarnations is looking for any chance to to usurp Megatron, the Bayverse-version seems largely too cowardly and afraid of Megatron to try anything directly, merely taking command once Megatron died in the first film. It's possible that by treacherous, Megatron was only referring to Starscream's habit of abandoning his leader when the fighting got too rough, such as in the climax of the first film and when Megatron was fighting an upgraded Optimus in the second.
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** It is possible Optimus was only referring to Cybertron being fragmented, rather than all the devastation present on the planet's surface.
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** Best guess? He probably hoped to used his position and his relationship with the Autbots during his time in NEST to try and arrange for the remaining Autobots to surrender peacefully, and from there, it was more than likely, the UN plans on kicking the surviving Transformers off Earth. Unfortunately, he never got the chance.
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[[folder: Humans betraying Autobots ONCE AGAIN]]
* Okay seriously, this is getting old. "Oh how horrible! The Autobots were being hunted down by a rouge CIA paramilitary. Anyways, let's declare all Transformers illegal and kill them all." IgnoredEpiphany much humanity?
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* Okay seriously, this is getting old. "Oh how horrible! The Autobots were being hunted down by a rouge CIA paramilitary. Anyways, let's declare all Transformers illegal and kill them all." IgnoredEpiphany much humanity?
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* So, apparently the TRF's ROE is Autobots=Kill on sight, Decepticons=Lock them up in a prison where they can easily escape or be freed. Uhmmm, shouldn't it be the other way around? The Decepticons are the guys who tried wipe out humanity several times, while the Autobots, at worst, brought their war to Cybertron. At the very least show some Autobots in the prison there.
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* So, apparently the TRF's ROE is Autobots=Kill on sight, Decepticons=Lock them up in a prison where they can easily escape or be freed. Uhmmm, shouldn't it be the other way around? The Decepticons are the guys who tried wipe out humanity several times, while the Autobots, at worst, brought their war to Cybertron.Earth. At the very least show some Autobots in the prison there.
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*** I don't quite understand your answer. Lennos is still working for Morshower, who orders him to betray Megatron as soon as they get the weapon they're looking for, but A. They're still going after the Autobots in earnest and B. it should be obvious by now that even letting Megatron and his army close to an ultimate weapon is far too dangerous.
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*** I don't quite understand your answer. Lennos Lennox is still working for Morshower, who orders him to betray Megatron as soon as they get the weapon they're looking for, but A. They're still going after the Autobots in earnest and B. it should be obvious by now that even letting Megatron and his army close to an ultimate weapon is far too dangerous.
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** The circumstances of the Decepticons' capture aren't clear; it's possible, likely even that all the ones we see imprisoned surrendered upon being cornered, and the government decided that they were more use alive, regardless o alignment. It's even possible that some were captured while the Autobots and humans were still allied. Now, any Autobots who did surrender would likely get the same deal, but none so far have, either out of their heroic ethos, or because there just aren't many Autobots left thanks to Cementery Wind (who'd actually have a far easier time killing Autobots due to Autobots reluctance to kill humans, and possible initial trust of them.) Of course, as pointed out above, aligning with the Decepticons and letting Megatron's goons out of prison was more than moronic.
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* So, apparently the TRF's ROE is Autobots=Kill on sight, Decepticons=Lock them up in a prison where they can easily escape or be freed. Uhmmm, shouldn't it be the other way around? If anything, it should be The Decepticons are the other way around.guys who tried wipe out humanity several times, while the Autobots, at worst, brought their war to Cybertron. At the very least show some Autobots in the prison there.
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* So, apparently the TRF's ROE is Autobots=Kill on sight, Decepticons=Lock them up in a prison where they can easily escape or be freed. Uhmmm, shouldn't it be the other way around? If anything, it should be the other way around.
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* So, apparently the TRF's ROE is Autobots=Kill on sight, Decepticons=Lock them up in a prison where they can easily escape or be freed. Uhmmm, shouldn't it be the other way around? If anything, it should be the other way around.
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*** I don't quite understand your answer. Lennos is still working for Morshower, who orders him to betray Megatron as soon as they get the weapon they're looking for, but A. They're still going after the Autobots in earnest and B. it should be obvious by now that even letting Megatron and his army close to an ultimate weapon is far too dangerous.
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** He’s a DoubleAgent working for Morshower.
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* [[CharacterDerailment What's happened to Lennox in this film?]] In the first, he was a loyal soldier, but also a hardhead who would punch other government agents in the face and hold them at gunpoint for not agreeing to align with the Autobots. In the second and third films, he and his second in command, Eps, were established to be friends, not just comrades, with the Autobots, opposing the government's every attempt to stymie them or negotiate with the Decepticons, and both times, their beliefs were more than validated. Now that he's got more authority and the government seems to justifiably look to him as the leading military expert on Transformers, and after presumably learning at least some thing about how Cemetery Wind killed Sideswipe, Arcee, and Ratchet... he's working for a government group that hunts all Transformers and doesn't protest much, let alone resign or go rogue when the government agrees to work with [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder Megatron,]] release several Decepticons and send him (and his trigger-happy comrades) after a group of Autobots led by Bumblebee? Was he only hastily written in when Josh Dumahel said he'd come back?
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* [[CharacterDerailment What's happened to Lennox in this film?]] In the first, he was a loyal soldier, but also a hardhead who would punch other government agents in the face and hold them at gunpoint for not agreeing to align with the Autobots. In the second and third films, he and his second in command, Eps, were established to be friends, not just comrades, with the Autobots, opposing the government's every attempt to stymie them or negotiate with the Decepticons, and both times, their beliefs were more than validated. Now that he's got more authority and the government seems to justifiably look to him as the leading military expert on Transformers, and after presumably learning at least some thing about how Cemetery Wind killed Sideswipe, Arcee, and Ratchet... he's working for a government group that hunts all Transformers and doesn't protest much, let alone resign or go rogue when the government agrees to work with [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder Megatron,]] release several Decepticons and send him (and his trigger-happy comrades) after a group of Autobots led by Bumblebee? Was he only hastily written in when Josh Dumahel said he'd come back?
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** Best (only, really) guess: Quintessa did it. You'll note that Megatron has that same red mark on his face she gave to Optimus when brainwashing him, so we know they're in cahoots. Its quite possible she had the power to restore his original body.
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* How was Galvatron, a Vehicon, reverted into a Cybertronian and made Megatron again?
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* How was Galvatron, a Vehicon, reverted into a Cybertronian and made Megatron again?
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** [[AllThereIntheManual Tie-in materials]] to the movies suggest Starscream’s suppose dloyalty in the films was mostly just an act.
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** And in Dark of the Moon, Cybertron did get close to Earth but it never touched the surface. In this movie, parts of Cybertron ''did'' interact with the Earth's surface as news announced human cities are being literally scraped away.
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* Who was the one saying "Optimus Prime: Re-enter Cybertron" at the beginning?
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* Who was the one saying "Optimus Prime: Re-enter Cybertron" at the beginning?
