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** Heimdall isn't omniscient in the sense that he sees everything. He's omniscient in the sense that he ''can'' see everything, but he has to be looking at it. Note when he summons the Warriors Three and Sif; they say that Heimdall ''might'' be watching them right now. He has to ''watch'' something in order to see it.\\\

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** Heimdall isn't omniscient is 'omniscient' in the sense that he sees everything. He's omniscient in the sense that he ''can'' can see everything, but he has to be looking ''anything'' at it.a given time, not ''everything'' at all times. Note when he summons the Warriors Three and Sif; they say that Heimdall ''might'' be watching them right now. He has to ''watch'' something in order to see it.\\\

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\n*** After a bit of research, the idea that the ancient vikings had female warriors is a myth. Their roles were pretty much the same as in any other ancient European culture, particularly the part about staying at home while the men fought. Nordic myths actually reflected that. Sif was originally just a fertility goddess. Even the concept of the Valkyrie warrior women was largely misunderstood. They carried the souls of dead warriors to Valhalla but were not themselves warriors. So the film makers might have ShownTheirWork in this regard.

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*** Jane was concerned that the wind and sand would bury them so it s seems likely they didn't last long.




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** The sequel mentions Loki learning magic from Frigga, so it appears the shapeshifting was Odin's doing.
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\n** Sif still appears to be the only woman who is openly on the front lines of battle -- while Frigga is certainly good as a fighter, the implication is that she wasn't a soldier the way Sif is.

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* It is mentioned that Sif and Thor had to prove to Asgard that a woman could be a warrior. Okay, we could ignore viking culture and Nordic myth for a moment and believe that the Asgardians would not allow women in battle before Sif came along but Frigga shows that she is a capable warrior in both films and she is far older than Sif. Wouldn't they be aware of female warriors based on the fact that the queen can kick ass herself?


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* It is mentioned that Sif and Thor had to prove to Asgard that a woman could be a warrior. Okay, we could ignore viking culture and Nordic myth for a moment and believe that the MCU version of Asgardians would not allow women in battle before Sif came along but along. The problem is, Frigga shows that she is a capable warrior in both films and she is far older than Sif. Wouldn't they be aware of female warriors based on the fact that the queen can kick ass herself?

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** If I recall, the drawings in that book had different looks for the Asgardians. I seem to recall Thor being redheaded (as he is in the original myths) in the picture and the Bifrost looking more like a raindbow as opposed to the Star Trek-like beam canon in the film. Otherwise, yeah, it seems the Tesseract is a part of Nordic mythology in the MCU as Red Skull and Nick Fury both mention it belonged to history. The monks at the beginning of Film/CaptainAmericaTheFirstAvenger were also aware of this.

* It is mentioned that Sif and Thor had to prove to Asgard that a woman could be a warrior. Okay, we could ignore viking culture and Nordic myth for a moment and believe that the Asgardians would not allow women in battle before Sif came along but Frigga shows that she is a capable warrior in both films and she is far older than Sif. Wouldn't they be aware of female warriors based on the fact that the queen can kick ass herself?

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** I think it is also due to the potential greater ramifications. The peace between the realms is fragile. From the deleted scenes, Thor and friends have had their fair share of battles. The frost giants may not be a threat to Asgard, but they can cause trouble among the other realms. The war could easily spread as other groups join in who dislike Asgard or outside invaders like the Marauders try to take advantage of the chaos. Worse, with Thor as the aggressor in the PR department Laufey has the moral high ground. Using Bifrost would make Odin appear to be a genocidal tyrant. So while the Frost Giants may not be a direct threat any war could easily escalate with it taking years and countless lives to reestablish the peace.

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** Nothing. No one actually treats them as a threat. They are ''threatening'', in that if they ever reclaimed their glory the first thing they'd do is destroy Asgard, but as Odin tries to explain to Thor, that's not a good enough reason to exterminate them. Due to their long lifespans, many of the veterans of the last war are still alive. Give it another generation and they'll all die out and hopefully rebuild their society without the Cask of Ancient Winters or imperialism.\\
As for Odin taking the threat seriously, he didn't, not really. He took Thor's actions seriously, and understood that the Jotun had a legitimate grievance, even if they couldn't act on it. To put it another way, it's like a Middle-Eastern country (one of the ones without nukes) declaring war on America. They can't actually win, but they can cause a bit of damage, and just nuking them isn't an option because of both innocents in the crossfire and the fact that they have a point.
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* The Jotun have lost their greatest magic relic to Asgard, they can't travel to Asgard without inside help, and Asgard has a weapon of mass destruction (the bifrost) that can literally destroy their homeworld at Odin's command and they can do nothing to stop it. Yet when Laufey declares war on Asgard after Thor starts a fight in his realm, Odin takes the threat completely seriously instead of laughing in his face. What can the Jotun even do to back up that threat?

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** For all his cleverness, Loki is incredibly short-sighted and unstable. He has no real plan and was making it up as he went along. Thor has a greater claims to the throne so if the Warriors Three returned with him he might become king and ruin everything. Heimdall has already betrayed Loki. Loki decided to kill Thor and his allies to prevent them from ruining his plans or supplanting him. He figured he would use the attempted assassination of Odin to cover him the death of Heimdall and justify the genocide of the frost giants thinking it would all please Odin, prove Loki is worthy of the throne and prove he is an Asgardians by destroying their hated enemies. He probable figured he would come up with something to cover Thor's death later. How was he going to explain/justify it all? He probable couldn't and thought he could make it up later.
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Exactly what was the point of sending the Destroyer after Thor and his friends? Even if Thor were to somehow regain Mjolnir and his powers, the only way to get back to Asgard is through Heimdall, whom Loki merely froze and left at the Bifrost, apparently not realizing how that might backfire. Second, exactly what made him think Odin would react any differently to his actions than he did to Thor's? Finally, exactly how was going to explain all his actions to Odin when he woke up?

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* Exactly what was the point of sending the Destroyer after Thor and his friends? Even if Thor were to somehow regain Mjolnir and his powers, the only way to get back to Asgard is through Heimdall, whom Loki merely froze and left at the Bifrost, apparently not realizing how that might backfire. Second, exactly what made him think Odin would react any differently to his actions than he did to Thor's? Finally, exactly how was going to explain all his actions to Odin when he woke up?
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Exactly what was the point of sending the Destroyer after Thor and his friends? Even if Thor were to somehow regain Mjolnir and his powers, the only way to get back to Asgard is through Heimdall, whom Loki merely froze and left at the Bifrost, apparently not realizing how that might backfire. Second, exactly what made him think Odin would react any differently to his actions than he did to Thor's? Finally, exactly how was going to explain all his actions to Odin when he woke up?

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** Even if you could lift it with an excavator, there would be no point. It's power only works for the worthy, so even if some average joe were to separate it from the ground it was on, it would be just as useless to him as it had been when it was trapped in the ground.
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*** It's [[AllThereInTheManual all there in the myth]]. But yes, Sleipnir (the horse) ''does'' have eight legs, is totally magic, and probably can be summoned and dismissed like an [[FinalFantasyX Aeon]].

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*** It's [[AllThereInTheManual all there in the myth]]. But yes, Sleipnir (the horse) ''does'' have eight legs, is totally magic, and probably can be summoned and dismissed like an [[FinalFantasyX [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyX Aeon]].



*** Good lord. [[FinalFantasyVII Loki is the genetically reconstructed child of Sephiroth and Cloud!]]

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*** Good lord. [[FinalFantasyVII [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII Loki is the genetically reconstructed child of Sephiroth and Cloud!]]
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*** (For those wondering, he's a [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanir Vanr]].)
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** It could be that being so long-lived and watching over the rest of the Nine Realms just took their attention away from Earth while they were busy defending the other realms. A few centuries would mean little to them.
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*** They seem to be the kind of people who authorize their agents to "tase someone and watch Supernanny while they drool into the carpet." I'm thinking CTU from Series/TwentyFour at best and Section One from LaFemmeNikita when they're sufficiently pissed off; protecting people through fear.

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*** They seem to be the kind of people who authorize their agents to "tase someone and watch Supernanny while they drool into the carpet." I'm thinking CTU from Series/TwentyFour at best and Section One from LaFemmeNikita ''Series/LaFemmeNikita'' when they're sufficiently pissed off; protecting people through fear.
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* Once Malekith got hold of the Aether and began his assault upon the nine realms from Greenwich, why didn't the entirety of Asgard's remaining army led by a very pissed off Odin get bifrosted down to Earth to help Thor in the battle? It was already established that Odin was raring to go another round with Malekith and was quite happy to sacrifice all his subjects to do achieve victory. Did Odin sit back and watch just because he was still angry at Thor's betrayal? Or had he already been usurped by Loki at this point? And if that was the case, then why didn't Loki (disguised as Odin) bring down Asgard's armies to help? Securing the throne would be a ridiculously brief and meaningless victory for Loki if Malekith had succeeded in the end. Why take that risk?
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* Once Malekith got hold of the Aether and began his assault upon the nine realms from Greenwich, why didn't the entirety of Asgard's remaining army led by a very pissed off Odin get bifrosted down to Earth to help Thor in the battle? It was already established that Odin was raring to go another round with Malekith and was quite happy to sacrifice all his subjects to do achieve victory. Did Odin sit back and watch just because he was still angry at Thor's betrayal? Or had he already been usurped by Loki at this point? And if that was the case, then why didn't Loki (disguised as Odin) bring down Asgard's armies to help? Securing the throne would be a ridiculously brief and meaningless victory for Loki if Malekith had succeeded in the end. Why take that risk?
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*** Please tell me you are not so foolish as to believe that, the real life part, anyway.

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*** Please tell me you are not so foolish as to believe that, the real life part, anyway.
anyway.
**** Believe which part? Every real life fact I said is true. I didn't say that's why the Iraq War happened. Movies about Norse gods can take inspiration from history without following it to the letter.

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*** And Sif is Thor's wife in the real myths. We can probably assume the myths are a bit different in the Marvel Universe and don't contain these "spoilers".
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*** I'd have to say, no, that is not fridge brilliance but obsession with conspiracies on the part of the troper. There were plenty of reasons for removing Hussein that had nothing to do with members of the Bush family, though several of those reasons can be applied to other dictators. However, this is not the place for such a discussion, lecture, or wall of text, so I end this with a suggestion that you think a little harder before saying something that cannot be fully substantiated.

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*** I'd have to say, no, that is Please tell me you are not fridge brilliance but obsession with conspiracies on so foolish as to believe that, the part of the troper. There were plenty of reasons for removing Hussein that had nothing to do with members of the Bush family, though several of those reasons can be applied to other dictators. However, this is not the place for such a discussion, lecture, or wall of text, so I end this with a suggestion that you think a little harder before saying something that cannot be fully substantiated.
real life part, anyway.
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*** I'd have to say, no, that is not fridge brilliance but obsession with conspiracies on the part of the troper. There were plenty of reasons for removing Hussein that had nothing to do with members of the Bush family, though several of those reasons can be applied to other dictators. However, this is not the place for such a discussion, lecture, or wall of text, so I end this with a suggestion that you think a little harder before saying something that cannot be fully substantiated.
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**Probable due to a combination of not wanting to lord over the nine realms, avoiding conflict, letting humans grow on their own, and drawing the other worlds away. Odin did not want to rule the nine realms. At the time the Aesir were on earth they were mistaken as gods. Humans would either curry their favor or fight them out of fear/jealousy. The other worlds would have justification of coming to Earth by claiming the Asgardians were there. I think the largest part of it is humans just were not ready.
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* Why did the Asgardians cut off contact with humans for so many centuries?

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*** Yeah, with Thor killing frost giants by the hundreds, Odin ready to defend his realm, and the fact that they don't seem to have easy access to Asgard, it's likely that Laufey was bidding his time and trying to come up with the best means of attack. He was evil, not stupid.


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***** Yes, please don't say "we", not all Loki fans are without "logical reason" and don't try to justify shitty actions. When you start saying "we fangirls" you've grouped a whole lot of people who aren't idiots to look like idiots.




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**Jumping in on this long winded conversation, but I noticed that most people who watch the Marvel movies involving Loki are sympathetic towards the guy. This is to be noted that all of them are separate from the woobifying fangirls. I think that these fangirls of his that excuse his every action and try to pin them on someone else can't comprehend the idea that you can like a villainous character for the simple fact that it's a well written, interesting character, without excusing psychotic genocide and murder. This isn't just a Loki fangirl thing, it happens in so many fandoms- girls refuse to like a villainous character because he's interesting- they have to woobify and justify his shitty actions. Which is stupid, because I love Loki but I don't excuse a single thing he does. (And on that note, I was talking to a friend about Loki recently and she said "Well, I think Odin is worse than Loki" and I said "Hang on! Odin didn't try to commit genocide." and she goes, "Well, yeah, he did." I disagree, but jump on that as you will.)

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