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*** Also, from Loki's perspective, if he successfully carries out his plan and destroys the Jotuns, then he's cemented himself as Odin's heir. He doesn't need to give up his throne forever- after all, Odin was ready to crown Thor, which says that he's ready or almost ready to step down himself. If Thor comes back, it screws ''everything'' up.

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* What's up with the Habitrail™ that SHIELD builds around Mjolnir? What possible purpose do all those rings of tunnels serve? And why leave Mjolnir open to the air? Why not just build a big dome, or erect a tent over the area?

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* What's up with the Habitrail™ that SHIELD builds around Mjolnir? What possible purpose do all those rings of tunnels serve? And why leave Mjolnir open to the air? Why not just build a big dome, or erect a tent over the area?


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*** Loki wasn't going to just sit back and trust his lucky stars that Thor would never get his powers back.

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* What's up with the Habitrail™ that SHIELD builds around Mjolnir? What possible purpose do all those rings of tunnels serve? And why leave Mjolnir open to the air? Why not just build a big dome, or erect a tent over the area?

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* What's up with the Habitrail™ that SHIELD builds around Mjolnir? What possible purpose do all those rings of tunnels serve? And why leave Mjolnir open to the air? Why not just build a big dome, or erect a tent over the area?


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*** Well, Loki would have given power back to Odin, once he woke up, otherwise his "rescue plan" would have been pretty pointless. Also, if Thor returned without his powers, I doubt the Asgardians would just have made him king.

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* What's up with the Habitrail™ that SHIELD builds around Mjolnir? What possible purpose do all those rings of tunnels serve? And why leave Mjolnir open to the air? Why not just build a big dome, or erect a tent over the area?

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*** I don't believe so. But I also think that once he'd tasted power, Loki found himself unwilling to give it up. He also already had his plans in motion for winning Odin's blessing by destroying the Jotuns and he sure as Hel wasn't going to let ''anyone'' mess that up.

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* What's up with the Habitrail™ that SHIELD builds around Mjolnir? What possible purpose do all those rings of tunnels serve? And why leave Mjolnir open to the air? Why not just build a big dome, or erect a tent over the area?

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*** But becoming king wasn't really on Loki's agenda, or was it?

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** He only sends the Destroyer after him, if I recall correctly, after the Warriors Three and Sif go to find him, and they're going to find him explicitly so he'll help them depose Loki. Of them all, Thor is the only one who's truly a threat to his plans, particularly if and when they expose as a lie Loki's insistence that Odin was dead. That, and jealousy probably had a hand in it.
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* I don't quite understand Loki's sudden evilness. Everything he did including his visiting Thor on Midgard made perfect sense to me. Then all of a sudden he wants to kill Thor. WTF?!

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* I don't quite understand Loki's sudden evilness. Everything he did did, including his visiting Thor on Midgard Midgard, made perfect sense to me.me and while it wasn't all "nice", it definitely wasn't "evil" either. Then all of a sudden he wants to kill Thor. WTF?!
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* What's up with the Habitrail™ that SHIELD builds around Mjolnir? What possible purpose do all those rings of tunnels serve? And why leave Mjolnir open to the air? Why not just build a big dome, or erect a tent over the area?

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* I don't quite understand Loki's sudden evilness. Everything he did including his visiting Thor on Midgard made perfect sense to me. Then all of a sudden he wants to kill Thor. WTF?!
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** We saw the Bifrost open a portal to Tonsberg in the beginning of the movie so its likely that the Bifrost can indeed take you to different places in the same realm. The theory that Yggdrasil is actually a natural wormhole network has been thrown around on this page and if its true then that could tell us a few things. The first is about the operation of the Bifrost itself. Instead of opening its own bridges it could fire some sort of beam or matter stream into Yggdrasil itself and you come out of one of the "Roots" of the tree with these "Roots" being pre-established but closed openings in the network. This means that sure it can take you to Norway or New Mexico or a hundred other locales on the planet but it can only deposit you on one of those predetermined places. As for why the Hammer fell so far away? It looks like it emerged from the matter stream at a very high altitude (possibly even low orbit) which means that it simply drifted off course as it fell to earth.

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** We saw the Bifrost open a portal to Tonsberg in the beginning of the movie so its likely that the Bifrost can indeed take you to different places in the same realm. The theory that Yggdrasil is actually a natural wormhole network has been thrown around on this page and if its true then that could tell us a few things. The first is things about the operation of the Bifrost itself.Bifrost. Instead of opening its own bridges it could fire some sort of beam or matter stream into Yggdrasil itself and you come out of one of the "Roots" of the tree with these "Roots" being pre-established but closed openings in the network. This means that sure it can take you to Norway or New Mexico or a hundred other locales on the planet but it can only deposit you on one of those predetermined places. As for why the Hammer fell so far away? It looks like it emerged from the matter stream at a very high altitude (possibly even low orbit) which means that it simply drifted off course as it fell to earth.



* What's up with the Habitrail™ that SHIELD builds around Mjolnir? What possible purpose do all those rings of tunnels serve? And why leave Mjolnir open to the air? Why not just build a big dome, or erect a tent over the area?

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*** This troper supports the explaination above



* What's up with the Habitrail™ that SHIELD builds around Mjolnir? What possible purpose do all those rings of tunnels serve? And why leave Mjolnir open to the air? Why not just build a big dome, or erect a tent over the area?

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*Just what were those circular objects Odin took from Thor's shoulders when banishing him?. I'd assume they'd hold up his cape,but including them in the removal makes it seem like they're a badge of office or something.
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*** Well, the leader of the Jotuns is introduced in the present by...giving Thor and his buddies the chance to leave peacefully, and clearly has no interest in reigniting their ancient war. That's clearly not AlwaysChaoticEvil, especially coming from their leader.
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*** Note that Loki's plan for putting Heimdall out of commission was "Use the Jotun's old planetary scale WMD on him personally." And this didn't kill Heimdall, it just incapacitated him for a while. I think that is a decent indication of power.
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**** Yes, but the audience shouldn't really be assuming in the first place that the whole planet's population is AlwaysChaoticEvil just because they've seen a few dozen of them. Although [[HumansAreBastards they are going to do so anyway]], I suppose...
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** The dialogue from other Asgardians makes Heimdall out to be a very intimidating fellow. Loki asks him if Odin feared him, and Volstagg's response to "Heimdall demands your presence" is "We're doomed." This isn't a conclusive indication of how powerful he is in combat, but it's almost certainly helped to inform the perception of him as very powerful.
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** He ''is'' a pretty tough bastard, and it certainly helps that almost nothing escapes him. Maybe not the most powerful Asgardian, but definitely the most ready for a fight.
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****No, it's not at all. Loki is sympathetic, that's for sure. But nowhere in his motives or plan does it justify how far he took it. Loki is responsible for the murder of at least two innocent people, willing led assassin's to his defenseless father, then betrayed them too simply to look like a hero, nearly killing his mother in the process. Then, he visits Thor to basically say "Lulz, you killed dad. By the way, I'm totally gonna screw with that chick your in love with." For no other reason than to crush him. And his attempt to destroy Jotunheim is motivated to please Odn, and his own rejection of his heritage, not because he actually cared about Asgard. Hell, he's willing to commit genocide to please a father who ALREADY LOVES HIM. Loki actually got off fairly easy.
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*Okay, this has more to do with the fandom than with the movie, but WHY does everyone seem to assume that Heimdall is the most powerful Asgardian? In terms of power, he's above average sure, but the only reason he's the guard is because he can SEE the attack coming before it reaches Asgard, not because he can actually FIGHT it.

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** I agree, it's Loki using a JediMindTrick on Selvig!



** In the comics Jotunheim is generally portrayed like a forester, woodland environment that just has a much harsher climate than Asgard or most of the other nine worlds. Other types of giants do live there like those you mentioned along with various other evil creatures like boar-gods, wolf-gods, hags, etc. Trolls sometime live in Jotunheim. Other times beneath the surface of various other worlds. In the comics the city of Asgard is usually just the tip of a very large landmass that has sometimes been shown to have other kingdoms. The other realms often are subdivided into different kingdoms. The Hoth version of Jotunheim as portrayed in the film is usually closer to the comics version of Nifelheim, the land of ice which is also home to frost giants, storm giants, the dead, and other monsters.

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** In the comics Jotunheim is generally portrayed like a forester, forest, woodland environment that just has a much harsher climate than Asgard or most of the other nine worlds. Other types of giants do live there like those you mentioned along with various other evil creatures like boar-gods, wolf-gods, hags, etc. Trolls sometime live in Jotunheim. Other times beneath the surface of various other worlds. In the comics the city of Asgard is usually just the tip of a very large landmass that has sometimes been shown to have other kingdoms. The other realms often are subdivided into different kingdoms. The Hoth version of Jotunheim as portrayed in the film is usually closer to the comics version of Nifelheim, the land of ice which is also home to frost giants, storm giants, the dead, and other monsters.
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This is not the place for complaining about characters you don\'t like


* Is it just me, or is Jane kind of a dick?
** Might just be you. What makes you say that?
*** I've only seen it once, so forgive me for missing something. But I find her lacking in endearing characteristics. First time we meet her, she's willing to drive into a swirly storm of god knows what ForScience, risking both Darcy and Erik's lives and she's pretty short, if not outright mean, toward Darcy throughout.
*** Are you talking about when Darcy was complaining about losing her iPod, but Jane lost her work? If so, I would be angry in her position. If I was her, I'd be mad at the world and lash out at it. No to mention, as funny as it was, Darcy was the one being mean in that scene. She probably offended Jane, by accident.
**** This is just one of those annoying details and not one of any great importance, but watching Jane get snippy with Darcy about losing her iPod while sitting around a desert with perfect hair and makeup was a bit hard to take seriously.
*** Of course she's short with Darcy. Maybe you missed it, but Darcy is something of an annoying twat. Also, the fact that she was the only applicant to be Jane's assistant means that every time she looks at Darcy she's reminded of how little respect she has within the scientific community. It's bound to make anyone a little irritable.
** This troper thought Jane was pretty nice, considering that she spent the movie being robbed of a chance to do a giant breakthrough, had her research and equipment stolen, and put a lot on the line to help Thor out. And she seemed more friendly towards Darcy than Erik, at least in the scene where we find out Darcy's a political science major.

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** It probably has some sort of mass-teleport capability that we never saw afterwards because it simply never came up.
*** Or the army was teleported into battle by Odin's power, having arrived on Earth earlier and more gradually via Bifrost.

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** It probably has some sort of mass-teleport capability that we never saw afterwards because it simply never came up.
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They didn't. The Asgardians are already on the ground when Odin beams in. You can see the army was teleported into battle by Odin's power, having arrived on Earth earlier and more gradually via Bifrost.if you watch the scene in slow motion.



* Okay, so for the Aesir, magitech is super-advanced. I can accept that. It makes bladed weapons better than projectile weapons- I can accept that, probably has to do with sharpness and weight enhancing plus logistics of mystically enhancing bullets individually. But, why horses? Judging from the shape and placement of Asgard, they have antigravity and air generation for a city-sized island of land floating in space, but they still rely on equestrian mobility?

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* Okay, so for the Aesir, magitech is super-advanced. I can accept that. It makes bladed weapons better than projectile weapons- I can accept that, probably has to do with sharpness and weight enhancing plus logistics of mystically enhancing bullets individually. But, why horses? Judging from the shape and placement of Asgard, they have antigravity anti-gravity and air generation for a city-sized island of land floating in space, but they still rely on equestrian mobility?



*** The post-credits scene mentioned "dimensions." Based on this and the lack of the use of the world planets I take it the nine "realms" are nine different dimensions that are linked by naturally occurring wormsholes/gates like in the comics. Bifrost and other such devices are just safe means to access these gates. Asgard at least seems to operate by different rules of physics by being a flat Earth instead of a round planet so it is a different dimension. So the nine realms are only those worlds the wormholes naturally go to. There could easily be other planets/dimensions out there, but the Asgardians do not overly concern themselves with them. However, based on some of the items in Odin's vault its clear Odin at least takes somewhat of an interest in them.

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*** The post-credits scene mentioned "dimensions." Based on this and the lack of the use of the world planets I take it the nine "realms" are nine different dimensions that are linked by naturally occurring wormsholes/gates wormholes/gates like in the comics. Bifrost and other such devices are just safe means to access these gates. Asgard at least seems to operate by different rules of physics by being a flat Earth instead of a round planet so it is a different dimension. So the nine realms are only those worlds the wormholes naturally go to. There could easily be other planets/dimensions out there, but the Asgardians do not overly concern themselves with them. However, based on some of the items in Odin's vault its clear Odin at least takes somewhat of an interest in them.



*** Yeah. Sortof a big anti-racism statement.

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*** Yeah. Sortof Sort of a big anti-racism statement.



** Pretty sure he was holding it. In any case, long-distance freezing is, as mentioned, not part of a Frost Giant's standard repertoir of powers, so whether or not Heimdall knew what he was, it wouldn't have helped him here.

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** Pretty sure he was holding it. In any case, long-distance freezing is, as mentioned, not part of a Frost Giant's standard repertoir repertoire of powers, so whether or not Heimdall knew what he was, it wouldn't have helped him here.
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**Fridge Brilliance:For all we know Odin could have been like Thor. In his younger daysbut the war with the Fuast Giants could have shown him the horrors of war. This is also why Ordin was so furies at Thor.It remined him of how he was like.
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** There's also the fact that "TELL ME!" is a different animal from "GUARDS! SOMEONE! HELLLLP!"
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** I'll take a shot at it, too. Loki has spent his entire life in the shadow of this golden giant "brother" of his. He's genuinely gifted in many ways, but they're not the ways that are really valued; Asgardians seem to put a premium on good old-fashioned buttkickery rather than cleverness. The only people he gets to "play" with are his brother's friends, who treat him with thinly-veiled contempt and are too eager to accuse him of treason and other evil. No matter what he does, he never meets with untarnished approval (compared to Thor, who almost never meets with reproach). Because he's too aware of the stupidity of rash actions and going it alone, Loki doesn't have the same opportunities to get glory as others; when he goes out "adventuring" with Thor, people assign the glory to Thor. It's probable that a good chunk of what Thor gets credited is ninety percent due to Loki talking their way out of fatal levels of trouble. Now combine this with abandonment issues, having your identity shattered, and the desperate need to be approved, this becomes very sympathetic. People who've experienced even only part of this can understand the fall into despair...
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** Simple. Loki isn't invisible, he's just encouraging people not to notice him. The clothes are possibly a crutch for himself, not others; as with any lie, if you're too conscious of its falsity, you can't convince anyone else of it, either. (And considering that he now questions his belonging anywhere at all, he may need the crutch.)
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** We saw the Bifrost open a portal to Tonsberg in the beginning of the movie so its likely that the Bifrost can indeed take you to different places in the same realm. The theory that Yggdrasil is actually a natural wormhole network has been thrown around on this page and if its true then that could tell us a few things. The first is about the operation of the Bifrost itself. Instead of opening its own bridges it could fire some sort of beam or matter stream into Yggdrasil itself and you come out of one of the "Roots" of the tree with these "Roots" being pre-established but closed openings in the network. This means that sure it can take you to Norway or New Mexico or a hundred other locales on the planet but it can only deposit you on one of those predetermined places. As for why the Hammer fell so far away? It looks like it emerged from the matter stream at a very high altitude (possibly even low orbit) which means that it simply drifted off course as it fell to earth.
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* So, why the Bifröst opens in New Mexico and not in, say, Norway? It seems like the end of the bridge is "locked" in the same place of the realm, as they had to retreat to the exact same point to take the bridge back in Jotunheim and after defeating the Destroyer, and the "seal" imprinted in the ground is just one, even after some travels. It can be explained by "the realms shift position over time", but still...
** Also, the deliver point for the travellers seem to be always the same, but why did the Mjölnir ended some distance away, and made a crater? I know this can be used to say "the deliver point is not always the same", but the only instance of a different deliver point is this one and the deliver procedure is different (crater, not seal), as if Odin made it on purpose to separate Thor form the hammer (If this is the case, why deliver the hammer so close to Thor's location?). It seems like Odin used a lot of power to "tweak" the aim of the Bifröst, but could only manage to miss by a few kilometers.
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**** Asgard and the other Realms could be pocket dimensions linked to earth via a wormhole network. They might be able to see the rest of the universe but not necessarily access it which would also explain why the Jotuns tried to invade earth. We may be the only realm with easy access to the universe at large while everyone else needs to travel along Yggdrasil.
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** I assumed that Loki's unusual coloring was just because a glamour can only go so far. Loci looked frost-giantish when he came into contact with the casket or another frost giant, which implies that whatever spell Odin put on him isn't perfect. Odin was able to make Loki look (for lack of a better word) human, but was unable to make him look truly Asgardian. And as for the lack of family resemblance, Odin is the king. You don't question what the king says.

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