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The Mona Ogg IS Nanny
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*** Read [[Nanny Ogg's Cookbook]] and [[The Art of Discworld]]. After reading both of them, one could very easily get the impression that Nanny being the Mona Ogg's subject is HEAVILY implied to be [[Word of God]].
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*** Read [[Nanny Ogg's Cookbook]] and [[The Art of Discworld]]. After reading both of them, one could very easily get the impression that Nanny being the Mona Ogg's subject is HEAVILY implied to be [[Word of God]].
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** At her present age, Nanny has only one tooth and a face like an elderly apple. Any resemblance to the Mona Ogg from the painting is most likely obscured by now.
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** At her present age, Nanny has only one tooth and a face like an elderly apple. Any resemblance to the Mona Ogg from the painting is most likely obscured by now.now.
*** Read [[Nanny Ogg's Cookbook]] and [[The Art of Discworld]]. After reading both of them, one could very easily get the impression that Nanny being the Mona Ogg's subject is HEAVILY implied to be [[Word of God]].
*** Read [[Nanny Ogg's Cookbook]] and [[The Art of Discworld]]. After reading both of them, one could very easily get the impression that Nanny being the Mona Ogg's subject is HEAVILY implied to be [[Word of God]].
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*** At one point, an Abbott Lobsang of the Listening Monks was mentioned, so it is probably a fairly common name in that area, at least among monks.
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** For the very obvious reason that the moment they got close to each other they started to affect each other, transmit their feelings, and so on. When they touched they even merged. Separating them was the only possibility to allow both of them an individual life.
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** The sword is ''so'' chaotic, it changes the temperatures (and maybe some other properties as well) of objects randomly, infinite times per time unit. By chance (chaos), whenever it's observed, it seems to have left the target object colder. Yes, this is the "million monkeys on typewriters" explanation.
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** Or they might have broken up simply because their personalities weren't compatible. Susan has a low tolerance for impracticality, soppiness, and "woolly thinking", and Imp ''is'' a musician after all.
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** Or they might have broken up simply because their personalities weren't compatible. Susan has a low tolerance for impracticality, soppiness, and "woolly thinking", and Imp ''is'' a musician after all.all: you don't get much more impractical and romantic (="soppy") than that.
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** The painting's just ''titled'' "The Mona Ogg," but it's of Nanny. She's noted elsewhere in the Discworld series as having had a relationship with him at some point.
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** The painting's just ''titled'' "The Mona Ogg," but it's of Nanny. She's noted elsewhere in the Discworld series as having had a relationship with him at some point.point.
** At her present age, Nanny has only one tooth and a face like an elderly apple. Any resemblance to the Mona Ogg from the painting is most likely obscured by now.
** At her present age, Nanny has only one tooth and a face like an elderly apple. Any resemblance to the Mona Ogg from the painting is most likely obscured by now.
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** Or they might have broken up simply because their personalities weren't compatible. Susan has a low tolerance for soppiness and woolly thinking, and Imp ''is'' a musician after all.
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** Or they might have broken up simply because their personalities weren't compatible. Susan has a low tolerance for soppiness impracticality, soppiness, and woolly thinking, "woolly thinking", and Imp ''is'' a musician after all.
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** Or they might have broken up simply because their personalities weren't compatible. Susan has a low tolerance for soppiness and woolly thinking, and Imp ''is'' a musician after all.
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** 2nd law of thermodynamics 'In a closed system, all things tend towards entropy [read 'Chaos']. Look at it on a universal scale (the only true 'closed system'. All the time the Universe is losing energy, the suns burn themselves out, etc (though we know that this happens time and time again, our sun is belived to be a '3rd generation star', so made out of bits of 2nd gen, which were made out of the ORIGINAL stars!) If we don't go 'Big Crunch' eventually all energy in the universe will be used up- as a closed system there is no way to replace it. What there will be is a uniform spread of atoms, with a overall temperature of 3'K. Chaotic/Cold enough?
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** Besides, the painting is of MONA Ogg. Nanny's name is Gytha, and shame on you not remembering that. We know that looks, and an... adventurous approach to matters of sexuality, run in the Ogg family, though.
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** Besides, the painting is of MONA Ogg. Nanny's name is Gytha, and shame on you not remembering that. We know that looks, and an... adventurous approach to matters of sexuality, run in the Ogg family, though.though.
** The painting's just ''titled'' "The Mona Ogg," but it's of Nanny. She's noted elsewhere in the Discworld series as having had a relationship with him at some point.
** The painting's just ''titled'' "The Mona Ogg," but it's of Nanny. She's noted elsewhere in the Discworld series as having had a relationship with him at some point.
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** She's actually based on 'Woman Holding a Ferret'.
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** She's actually based on 'Woman Holding a Ferret'.Ferret'.
** Besides, the painting is of MONA Ogg. Nanny's name is Gytha, and shame on you not remembering that. We know that looks, and an... adventurous approach to matters of sexuality, run in the Ogg family, though.
** Besides, the painting is of MONA Ogg. Nanny's name is Gytha, and shame on you not remembering that. We know that looks, and an... adventurous approach to matters of sexuality, run in the Ogg family, though.
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** The Auditors edited and improved by removing 'flaws'. By the time they had finished it's possible the only resemblance was in the colour of her hair and eyes.
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** The Auditors edited and improved by removing 'flaws'. By the time they had finished it's possible the only resemblance was in the colour of her hair and eyes.eyes.
** She's actually based on 'Woman Holding a Ferret'.
** She's actually based on 'Woman Holding a Ferret'.
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* Myria LeJean's face is supposed to be based on the ''Mona Ogg.'' The ''Mona Ogg'' presumably shows a much younger version of Nanny Ogg. Even accounting for Nanny looking very different after several decades, wouldn't Susan have noticed some resemblance between the two?
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* Myria LeJean's face is supposed to be based on the ''Mona Ogg.'' The ''Mona Ogg'' presumably shows a much younger version of Nanny Ogg. Even accounting for Nanny looking very different after several decades, wouldn't Susan have noticed some resemblance between the two?two?
** The Auditors edited and improved by removing 'flaws'. By the time they had finished it's possible the only resemblance was in the colour of her hair and eyes.
** The Auditors edited and improved by removing 'flaws'. By the time they had finished it's possible the only resemblance was in the colour of her hair and eyes.
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** It's mentioned in ''Hogfather'' (between ''Soul Music'' and ''Thief of Time'') that Susan has had boyfriends, but that they didn't work out for various reasons, usually to do with Susan's strangeness. Imp might well be one of those cases.
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** It's mentioned in ''Hogfather'' (between ''Soul Music'' and ''Thief of Time'') that Susan has had boyfriends, but that they didn't work out for various reasons, usually to do with Susan's strangeness. Imp might well be one of those cases.cases.
* Myria LeJean's face is supposed to be based on the ''Mona Ogg.'' The ''Mona Ogg'' presumably shows a much younger version of Nanny Ogg. Even accounting for Nanny looking very different after several decades, wouldn't Susan have noticed some resemblance between the two?
* Myria LeJean's face is supposed to be based on the ''Mona Ogg.'' The ''Mona Ogg'' presumably shows a much younger version of Nanny Ogg. Even accounting for Nanny looking very different after several decades, wouldn't Susan have noticed some resemblance between the two?
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** It's mythic.
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** It's mythic.myffic. A stronger version of mythic, so says Nanny Ogg.
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*** This is the most logical answer. Time and Wen cannot raise them to adulthood since time passes differently for them. Nanny suggested leaving thme as foundlings but deliberately left them at different guilds to prevent anyone from realizing that they were twins.
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* What happened to Imp y Celyn?
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* What happened to Imp y Celyn?Celyn?
** It's mentioned in ''Hogfather'' (between ''Soul Music'' and ''Thief of Time'') that Susan has had boyfriends, but that they didn't work out for various reasons, usually to do with Susan's strangeness. Imp might well be one of those cases.
** It's mentioned in ''Hogfather'' (between ''Soul Music'' and ''Thief of Time'') that Susan has had boyfriends, but that they didn't work out for various reasons, usually to do with Susan's strangeness. Imp might well be one of those cases.
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On the other hand, this ''is'' the book where Time literally shatters and has to be put back together piece by piece, so it may just be the same Lobsang in some time displaced legend.
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On the other hand, this ''is'' the book where Time literally shatters and has to be put back together piece by piece, so it may just be the same Lobsang in some time displaced legend.legend.
* What happened to Imp y Celyn?
* What happened to Imp y Celyn?
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** In the early books, "Lobsang" is basically Pterry's go-to name for any monk type character. Like how in one of the Witches books, Magrat gets something dubious from "Lobsang Dibbler." So in-universe, it's probably just the stereotypical/common name for monks in general.
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** In the early books, "Lobsang" is basically Pterry's go-to name for any monk type character. Like how in one of the Witches books, Magrat gets something dubious from "Lobsang Dibbler." So in-universe, it's probably just the stereotypical/common name for monks in general.\\\
On the other hand, this ''is'' the book where Time literally shatters and has to be put back together piece by piece, so it may just be the same Lobsang in some time displaced legend.
On the other hand, this ''is'' the book where Time literally shatters and has to be put back together piece by piece, so it may just be the same Lobsang in some time displaced legend.
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* In a couple earlier books (I can't remember which ones exactly), there's a reference to the Sweeper and his apprentice Lobsang. Is this the same Lobsang, or is Lobsang just a common name among the History Monks (considering that Lobsang's guild-given name was Newgate Ludd and the monks gave him the name of Lobsang)?
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* In a couple earlier books (I can't remember which ones exactly), there's a reference to the Sweeper and his apprentice Lobsang. Is this the same Lobsang, or is Lobsang just a common name among the History Monks (considering that Lobsang's guild-given name was Newgate Ludd and the monks gave him the name of Lobsang)?Lobsang)?
** In the early books, "Lobsang" is basically Pterry's go-to name for any monk type character. Like how in one of the Witches books, Magrat gets something dubious from "Lobsang Dibbler." So in-universe, it's probably just the stereotypical/common name for monks in general.
** In the early books, "Lobsang" is basically Pterry's go-to name for any monk type character. Like how in one of the Witches books, Magrat gets something dubious from "Lobsang Dibbler." So in-universe, it's probably just the stereotypical/common name for monks in general.
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** Possibly they would never have been able to grow up, either physically or mentally, if they remained in the suspended-time environment of Time's domain. Death had similar problems with Ysabell not having a normal childhood, which Time and Wen might've feared would trouble their son(s) as well.
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** Possibly they would never have been able to grow up, either physically or mentally, if they remained in the suspended-time environment of Time's domain. Death had similar problems with Ysabell not having a normal childhood, which Time and Wen might've feared would trouble their son(s) as well.well.
* In a couple earlier books (I can't remember which ones exactly), there's a reference to the Sweeper and his apprentice Lobsang. Is this the same Lobsang, or is Lobsang just a common name among the History Monks (considering that Lobsang's guild-given name was Newgate Ludd and the monks gave him the name of Lobsang)?
* In a couple earlier books (I can't remember which ones exactly), there's a reference to the Sweeper and his apprentice Lobsang. Is this the same Lobsang, or is Lobsang just a common name among the History Monks (considering that Lobsang's guild-given name was Newgate Ludd and the monks gave him the name of Lobsang)?
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**Hmm...ok, entropy could be thought of as inherently more ordered,since everything in the universe goes towards entropy because that's the way the arrow of time points--basically, from our perspective, a decrease in entropy would correspond to going back in time. And can't really happen. Or if it did we wouldn't be able to know. So would a negative potential energy. And negative Kelvin would be "hotter" than any positive temperature, since heat would always flow from the the negative object to the positive one. Which I guess raises the question of what truly is chaotic...
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** This one bugged me too, but I think it's probably because some sort of time-shift happened the instant they were born so they're parents literally disappeared as they were being born. They were probably separated because of some Guild tradition about twins or something...
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** This one bugged me too, but I think it's probably because some sort of time-shift happened the instant they were born so they're parents literally disappeared as they were being born. They were probably separated because of some Guild tradition about twins or something...something...
** Possibly they would never have been able to grow up, either physically or mentally, if they remained in the suspended-time environment of Time's domain. Death had similar problems with Ysabell not having a normal childhood, which Time and Wen might've feared would trouble their son(s) as well.
** Possibly they would never have been able to grow up, either physically or mentally, if they remained in the suspended-time environment of Time's domain. Death had similar problems with Ysabell not having a normal childhood, which Time and Wen might've feared would trouble their son(s) as well.
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* Why was Jeremey and Lobsang separated at birth? Why were they basket babies? Why couldn't they be raised by their parents?
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* Why was were Jeremey and Lobsang separated at birth? Why were they basket babies? Why couldn't they be raised by their parents? parents?
** This one bugged me too, but I think it's probably because some sort of time-shift happened the instant they were born so they're parents literally disappeared as they were being born. They were probably separated because of some Guild tradition about twins or something...
** This one bugged me too, but I think it's probably because some sort of time-shift happened the instant they were born so they're parents literally disappeared as they were being born. They were probably separated because of some Guild tradition about twins or something...
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** Kaos not being chaotic is unpredictable, [[FridgeBrilliance and therefore chaotic]]!
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** Kaos not being chaotic is unpredictable, [[FridgeBrilliance and therefore chaotic]]!chaotic]]!
*Why was Jeremey and Lobsang separated at birth? Why were they basket babies? Why couldn't they be raised by their parents?
*Why was Jeremey and Lobsang separated at birth? Why were they basket babies? Why couldn't they be raised by their parents?
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*** What about [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imaginary_number -i]] Kelvins?
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** Kaos not being chaotic is unpredictable, [[FridgeBrilliance and therefore chaotic]]!
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** This troper recently read an article about negative Kelvin, which stated that entropy increases as temperature (in K) becomes more negative. So Kaos's sword could have infinite negative K, with infinite entropy...
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** Yet another possible explanation: you would expect the sword of Chaos to be hot, but living according to expectations is orderly. It's cold precisely because you'd expect it not to be.
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** Yet another possible explanation: you would expect the sword of Chaos to be hot, but living according to expectations is orderly. It's cold precisely because you'd expect it not to be.be.
*He's Kaos, not chaos, obviously the same expectations do not apply.
*He's Kaos, not chaos, obviously the same expectations do not apply.
