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*** Confirmed in the side-story, The Diary of Ellen. [[spoiler: She covered her eyes with bandages and her legs with a blanket.]]
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*** Confirmed in the side-story, The Diary of Ellen. [[spoiler: She covered her eyes with bandages and her legs with a blanket.]]
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* Seriously, how long is Ellen going to be able to [[spoiler: fool Viola's father? She has some of Viola's memories, so she may be able to impersonate her for a time,]] time, but given that their personalities are polar opposites and Ellen can't seem to resist her cruel and violent nature, I doubt it would be long before [[spoiler: Viola's father realized something was very wrong.]]
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** At the end of the day, probably not for very long (maybe not even until the end of the literal day). It's really FridgeHorror more than a Headscratcher, though. Viola seems to recognize that [[spoiler: Ellen isn't going to be able to pull it off in the long run]], which is part of the reason for her concern for her father. [[spoiler: While Ellen is very old chronologically, she seems to be stuck mentally and emotionally as a very disturbed child.]] It's unlikely that she thought through the likely outcome of her actions. Even she apparently knows that she's eventually going to go back to her old lifestyle, since in the Pseudo-Third Ending she states that [[spoiler: it's not so bad being powerless ''for awhile'']]. She's probably just going to end up doing that long before she intended when [[spoiler: Viola's father realizes that what he brought back is an abomination.]]
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** At the end of the day, probably not for very long (maybe not even until the end of the literal day). It's really FridgeHorror more than a Headscratcher, though. Viola seems to recognize that [[spoiler: Ellen isn't going to be able to pull it off in the long run]], run, which is part of the reason for her concern for her father. [[spoiler: While Ellen is very old chronologically, she seems to be stuck mentally and emotionally as a very disturbed child.]] child. It's unlikely that she thought through the likely outcome of her actions. Even she apparently knows that she's eventually going to go back to her old lifestyle, since in the Pseudo-Third Ending she states that [[spoiler: it's not so bad being powerless ''for awhile'']]. a while''. She's probably just going to end up doing that long before she intended when [[spoiler: Viola's father realizes that what he brought back is an abomination.]]
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** This one is actually explained in the True Ending: Ellen didn't consider the possibility that [[spoiler: Viola, in the "witch" body, would be able to use Ellen's own magic against her.]] This means that the game starts mere ''minutes'' after [[spoiler: the body switch]], and Ellen goes into the house because (per the in-game item description) she knows about the "cute little bottle" that can destroy the roses blocking the exit path.
* Diary of Ellen spoilers: [[spoiler: the spell involved in switching Ellen and Viola's minds between bodies requires that both people have a "mutual bond of trust." How could the spell succeed if Ellen, someone who has spent hundreds of years selfishly murdering others in pursuit of her own goal of survival, have full trust in someone else to switch bodies with her? Even with Viola's trust in Ellen, Ellen doesn't seem to be the sort of character to trust ''anyone'' after her being constantly let down (in her eyes) towards people she opened up to. It's even worse given that Ellen is deliberately manipulating Viola to get what she wants, which is at odds of trusting Viola.]]
** [[spoiler: Well Ellen did trust Viola to give her her body. I think it primarily meant both being willing to make the trade.]]
* Diary of Ellen spoilers: [[spoiler: the spell involved in switching Ellen and Viola's minds between bodies requires that both people have a "mutual bond of trust." How could the spell succeed if Ellen, someone who has spent hundreds of years selfishly murdering others in pursuit of her own goal of survival, have full trust in someone else to switch bodies with her? Even with Viola's trust in Ellen, Ellen doesn't seem to be the sort of character to trust ''anyone'' after her being constantly let down (in her eyes) towards people she opened up to. It's even worse given that Ellen is deliberately manipulating Viola to get what she wants, which is at odds of trusting Viola.]]
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* Diary of Ellen spoilers: [[spoiler: the spell involved in switching Ellen and Viola's minds between bodies requires that both people have a "mutual bond of trust." How could the spell succeed if Ellen, someone who has spent hundreds of years selfishly murdering others in pursuit of her own goal of survival, have full trust in someone else to switch bodies with her? Even with Viola's trust in Ellen, Ellen doesn't seem to be the sort of character to trust ''anyone'' after her being constantly let down (in her eyes) towards people she opened up to. It's even worse given that Ellen is deliberately manipulating Viola to get what she wants, which is at odds of trusting Viola.]]
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* Seriously, how long is Ellen going to be able to [[spoiler: fool Viola's father? She has some of Viola's memories, so she may be able to impersonate her for a time, time,]] but given that their personalities are polar opposites and Ellen can't seem to resist her cruel and violent nature, I doubt it would be long before [[spoiler: Viola's father realized something was very wrong.]]
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** At the end of the day, probably not for very long (maybe not even until the end of the literal day). It's really FridgeHorror more than a Headscratcher, though. Viola seems to recognize that [[spoiler: Ellen isn't going to be able to pull it off in the long run, run]], which is part of the reason for her concern for her father. [[spoiler: While Ellen is very old chronologically, she seems to be stuck mentally and emotionally as a very disturbed child. child.]] It's unlikely that she thought through the likely outcome of her actions. Even she apparently knows that she's eventually going to go back to her old lifestyle, since in the Pseudo-Third Ending she states that [[spoiler: it's not so bad being powerless ''for awhile''. awhile'']]. She's probably just going to end up doing that long before she intended when [[spoiler: Viola's father realizes that what he brought back is an abomination.]]
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** At the end of the day, probably not for very long (maybe not even until the end of the literal day). It's really FridgeHorror more than a Headscratcher, though. Viola seems to recognize that Ellen isn't going to be able to pull it off in the long run, which is part of the reason for her concern for her father. While Ellen is very old chronologically, she seems to be stuck mentally and emotionally as a very disturbed child. It's unlikely that she thought through the likely outcome of her actions. Even she apparently knows that she's eventually going to go back to her old lifestyle, since in the Pseudo-Third Ending she states that it's not so bad being powerless ''for awhile''. She's probably just going to end up doing that long before she intended when Viola's father realizes that what he brought back is an abomination.abomination.
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** Somehow I ended up with the interpretation that the Witch's House was an allegory for puberty. Probably overthinking it though.
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** Somehow I ended up with the interpretation that the Witch's House was an allegory for puberty. Probably overthinking it though.though.
** At the end of the day, probably not for very long (maybe not even until the end of the literal day). It's really FridgeHorror more than a Headscratcher, though. Viola seems to recognize that Ellen isn't going to be able to pull it off in the long run, which is part of the reason for her concern for her father. While Ellen is very old chronologically, she seems to be stuck mentally and emotionally as a very disturbed child. It's unlikely that she thought through the likely outcome of her actions. Even she apparently knows that she's eventually going to go back to her old lifestyle, since in the Pseudo-Third Ending she states that it's not so bad being powerless ''for awhile''. She's probably just going to end up doing that long before she intended when Viola's father realizes that what he brought back is an abomination.
** At the end of the day, probably not for very long (maybe not even until the end of the literal day). It's really FridgeHorror more than a Headscratcher, though. Viola seems to recognize that Ellen isn't going to be able to pull it off in the long run, which is part of the reason for her concern for her father. While Ellen is very old chronologically, she seems to be stuck mentally and emotionally as a very disturbed child. It's unlikely that she thought through the likely outcome of her actions. Even she apparently knows that she's eventually going to go back to her old lifestyle, since in the Pseudo-Third Ending she states that it's not so bad being powerless ''for awhile''. She's probably just going to end up doing that long before she intended when Viola's father realizes that what he brought back is an abomination.
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* Seriously, how long is Ellen going to be able to fool Viola's father? She has some of Viola's memories, so she may be able to impersonate her for a time, but given that their personalities are polar opposites and Ellen can't seem to resist her cruel and violent nature, I doubt it would be long before Viola's father realized something was very wrong.wrong.
** Somehow I ended up with the interpretation that the Witch's House was an allegory for puberty. Probably overthinking it though.
** Somehow I ended up with the interpretation that the Witch's House was an allegory for puberty. Probably overthinking it though.
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* Seriously, how long is Ellen going to be able to fool Viola's father? She has some of Viola's memories, so she may be able to impersonate her for a time, but given that their personalities are polar opposites and Ellen can't seem to resist committed acts of immense cruelty, her cruel and violent nature, I doubt it would be long before Viola's father realized something was very wrong.
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* Seriously, how long is Ellen going to be able to fool Viola's father? She has some of Viola's memories, so she may be able to impersonate her for a time, but given that their personalities are polar opposites and Ellen can't seem to resist committed acts of immense cruelty, I doubt it would be long before Viola's father realized something was very wrong.
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** Either really good hearing or using magic and/or the house itself as her eyes to track her.
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*** Confirmed in the side-story, The Diary of Ellen. [[spoiler: She covered her eyes with bandages and her legs with a blanket.]]
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* How does [[spoiler: Viola chase Ellen out of the house when she can't see? As in, she both can't see where she's going, and can't see where Ellen's going. ]]
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*** Confirmed in the side-story, The Diary of Ellen. [[spoiler: She covered her eyes with bandages and her legs with a blanket.]]
*** Confirmed in the side-story, The Diary of Ellen. [[spoiler: She covered her eyes with bandages and her legs with a blanket.]]
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** [[spoiler: I'm guessing Ellen found some way to hide her condition; maybe she covered her legs with a blanket and wore a hood or sunglasses, so that Viola wouldn't see what she'd done to herself.]]
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* According to the third pseudo-ending, [[spoiler:Ellen gouged her own eyes out and sawed off her own legs "before Viola came to her house". I know Viola's a really nice person, but even then I find it hard to imagine she'd be willing to swap bodies with someone in such a state without even asking what the heck happened...]]
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