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** As well as the above, Rat doesn't want to offend his friend's dignity by either seeming to reject his attempts at hospitality, or by offering him charity. Throwing a little party for the carol singers becomes an excellent opportunity for Rat to send out for more food without anyone having to lose face.
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!!Mole's Nostalgia and Rat's Money


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!!Rabbits shan't have onions
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** Most likely just a nonsense word such as "Balderdash" to show moles contempt for the rabbits that happens to relate to food such as "Horseradish" or " a load of tripe".
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* Why is "onion sauce" an insult to the rabbits? Because A.) How do they know humans serve rabbits with onion sauce, and B.) You can serve other things with onion sauce too.
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** Or, the human police only had jurisdiction in the areas inhabited by humans.
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****They could be animals but were treated like humans. That's what I figured when I read the story in 3rd grade.


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**I kind of took it that they might have cleared things up after they solved the business with weasels. Toad is rich, you know.
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** Rat didn't want to leave Mole alone, since Mole was feeling pretty down on himself and his house. In addition, when the carol singers arrived he asked if the shops were still open at that time of night. This shows he doesn't know the area, so there was no way that he could have fetched the supplies; but he could send someone who did.
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* Seriously, did Kenneth Graham even ''know'' if he was writing about Main/{{Funny Animal}}s or Main/{{Talking Animal}}s? The opening scenes suggest more the latter than the former: yes, Ratty has a boat, but he lives in the riverbed, and compliments Mole on his "velvet smoking jacket", which is clearly Mole's actual pelt. Then we learn Toad lives in a big house and it gets a bit confused. ''Then'' it turns out Toad can drive a car, be tried and convicted as a human, and successfully [[Main/DisguisedInDrag disguise himself as a washerwoman]]. And meanwhile we're back to the other animals living in holes and [[Main/MouseWorld being completely disconnected from the human world]]. ''What's going on''? By the end of it all, I don't even know how ''large'' these animals are meant to be, let alone whether they usually wear clothes!

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* Seriously, did Kenneth Graham Grahame even ''know'' if he was writing about Main/{{Funny Animal}}s or Main/{{Talking Animal}}s? The opening scenes suggest more the latter than the former: yes, Ratty has a boat, but he lives in the riverbed, and compliments Mole on his "velvet smoking jacket", which is clearly Mole's actual pelt. Then we learn Toad lives in a big house and it gets a bit confused. ''Then'' it turns out Toad can drive a car, be tried and convicted as a human, and successfully [[Main/DisguisedInDrag disguise himself as a washerwoman]]. And meanwhile we're back to the other animals living in holes and [[Main/MouseWorld being completely disconnected from the human world]]. ''What's going on''? By the end of it all, I don't even know how ''large'' these animals are meant to be, let alone whether they usually wear clothes!



** Kenneth Grahame himself addressed it: when asked by a fan how Toad could drive the train, he answered that "Toad was train-sized and train was toad-sized".

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** [[WordOfGod Kenneth Grahame himself himself]] addressed it: when asked by a fan how Toad could drive the train, he answered that "Toad was train-sized and the train was toad-sized".



* This has bugged me since I was a child. In "Dulce Domum", the Mole feels nostalgic of his old home (he had been living with the Rat for some time) and both animals make an off-handed visit to the Mole's previous residence. They are tired and hungry, and the Mole is distressed about not having any food around. After searching, they find a little provisions: "a tin of sardines- a box of captain’s biscuits, nearly full- and a German sausage encased in silver paper." The Mole feels guilty about the measly dinner but the Rat tries to cheer him up. Then a bunch of kids singing carols show up, and the Mole is further distressed because they have nothing to give them. So the Rat promptly produces some money and sends one of the children to buy a full banquet for them all. My question is: if the Rat had money enough on him to treat a party of children, why he didn't go earlier to buy food for the Mole and himself? The Mole was miserable to have taken his friend to his empty house, and no cheering could hide the fact that there was barely enough cold food for the two of them. Couldn't the Rat just have said: "You, old chap, stay here in your lovely house, and lit up a nice fire while I go get some dinner"?

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* This has bugged me since I was a child. In "Dulce Domum", the Mole feels nostalgic of about his old home (he had been living with the Rat for some time) and both animals make an off-handed visit to the Mole's previous residence. They are tired and hungry, and the Mole is distressed about not having any food around. After searching, they find a little provisions: "a tin of sardines- a sardines--a box of captain’s biscuits, nearly full- and full--and a German sausage encased in silver paper." The Mole feels guilty about the measly dinner but the Rat tries to cheer him up. Then a bunch of kids singing carols show up, and the Mole is further distressed because they have nothing to give them. So the Rat promptly produces some money and sends one of the children to buy a full banquet for them all. My question is: if the Rat had money enough on him to treat a party of children, why he didn't go earlier to buy food for the Mole and himself? The Mole was miserable to have taken his friend to his empty house, and no cheering could hide the fact that there was barely enough cold food for the two of them. Couldn't the Rat just have said: "You, old chap, stay here in your lovely house, and lit light up a nice fire while I go get some dinner"?
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* This has bugged me since I was a child. In "Dulce Domum", the Mole feels nostalgic of his old home (he had been living with the Rat for some time) and both animals make an off-handed visit to the Mole's previous residence. They are tired and hungry, and the Mole is distressed about not having any food around. After searching, they find a little provisions: "a tin of sardines- a box of captain’s biscuits, nearly full- and a German sausage encased in silver paper." The Mole feels guilty about the measly dinner but the Rat tries to cheer him up. Then a bunch of kids singing carols show up, and the Mole is further distressed because they have nothing to give them. So the Rat promptly produces some money and sends one of the children to buy a full banquet for them all. My question is: if the Rat had money enough on him to treat a party of children, why he didn't go earlier to buy for the Mole and himself? The Mole was miserable to have taken his friend to his empty house, and no cheering could hide the fact that there was barely enough cold food for the two of them. Couldn't the Rat just have said: "You, old chap, stay here in your lovely house, and lit up a nice fire while I go get some dinner?".

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* This has bugged me since I was a child. In "Dulce Domum", the Mole feels nostalgic of his old home (he had been living with the Rat for some time) and both animals make an off-handed visit to the Mole's previous residence. They are tired and hungry, and the Mole is distressed about not having any food around. After searching, they find a little provisions: "a tin of sardines- a box of captain’s biscuits, nearly full- and a German sausage encased in silver paper." The Mole feels guilty about the measly dinner but the Rat tries to cheer him up. Then a bunch of kids singing carols show up, and the Mole is further distressed because they have nothing to give them. So the Rat promptly produces some money and sends one of the children to buy a full banquet for them all. My question is: if the Rat had money enough on him to treat a party of children, why he didn't go earlier to buy food for the Mole and himself? The Mole was miserable to have taken his friend to his empty house, and no cheering could hide the fact that there was barely enough cold food for the two of them. Couldn't the Rat just have said: "You, old chap, stay here in your lovely house, and lit up a nice fire while I go get some dinner?".dinner"?
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*This has bugged me since I was a child. In "Dulce Domum", the Mole feels nostalgic of his old home (he had been living with the Rat for some time) and both animals make an off-handed visit to the Mole's previous residence. They are tired and hungry, and the Mole is distressed about not having any food around. After searching, they find a little provisions: "a tin of sardines- a box of captain’s biscuits, nearly full- and a German sausage encased in silver paper." The Mole feels guilty about the measly dinner but the Rat tries to cheer him up. Then a bunch of kids singing carols show up, and the Mole is further distressed because they have nothing to give them. So the Rat promptly produces some money and sends one of the children to buy a full banquet for them all. My question is: if the Rat had money enough on him to treat a party of children, why he didn't go earlier to buy for the Mole and himself? The Mole was miserable to have taken his friend to his empty house, and no cheering could hide the fact that there was barely enough cold food for the two of them. Couldn't the Rat just have said: "You, old chap, stay here in your lovely house, and lit up a nice fire while I go get some dinner?".
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* Why is it that the instant Toad gets back to Toad Hall, the police seem to forget about him? wWy do they never come for him and take him back to prison? Even if they didn't check, word would have got around about Toad's return and the weasel fight. In fact, why did no one go to the police about the weasels invading?

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* Why is it that the instant Toad gets back to Toad Hall, the police seem to forget about him? wWy Why do they never come for him and take him back to prison? Even if they didn't check, word would have got around about Toad's return and the weasel fight. In fact, why did no one go to the police about the weasels invading?

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* Why is it that the instant Toad gets back to Toad Hall the police seem to forget about him, why do they never come for him and take him back to prison? Even if they didnt check, word would have got around about Toads return and the weasle fight. In fact, why did no one go to the police about the weasles invading?

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\n* Why is it that the instant Toad gets back to Toad Hall Hall, the police seem to forget about him, why him? wWy do they never come for him and take him back to prison? Even if they didnt didn't check, word would have got around about Toads Toad's return and the weasle weasel fight. In fact, why did no one go to the police about the weasles weasels invading?
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* Why is it that the instant Toad gets back to Toad Hall the police seem to forget about him, why do they never come for him and take him back to prison? Even if they didnt check, word would have got around about Toads return and the weasle fight. In fact, why did no one go to the police about the weasles invading?
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** While we're at it, it's also a deliberate AnachronismStew. As Toad goes into the jail we time-travel from the turn of the century into the Middle Ages, walking past "men-at-arms" and "ancient warders" with halberds and a room with racks and thumbscrews, and by the time we've stepped into the "grimmest dungeon... in the heart of the innermost keep," the Edwardian police sergeant is starting to say things like "Oddsbodikins!" and "a murrain on both of them!" It's hilarious.
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** AAMilne's theory was that the animals were actually [[TheFairFolk fairies]], so they could do whatever they liked.

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** AAMilne's Creator/AAMilne's theory was that the animals were actually [[TheFairFolk fairies]], so they could do whatever they liked.



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Seriously, did Kenneth Graham even ''know'' if he was writing about Main/{{Funny Animal}}s or Main/{{Talking Animal}}s? The opening scenes suggest more the latter than the former: yes, Ratty has a boat, but he lives in the riverbed, and compliments Mole on his "velvet smoking jacket", which is clearly Mole's actual pelt. Then we learn Toad lives in a big house and it gets a bit confused. ''Then'' it turns out Toad can drive a car, be tried and convicted as a human, and successfully [[Main/DisguisedInDrag disguise himself as a washerwoman]]. And meanwhile we're back to the other animals living in holes and [[Main/MouseWorld being completely disconnected from the human world]]. ''What's going on''? By the end of it all, I don't even know how ''large'' these animals are meant to be, let alone whether they usually wear clothes!

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Seriously, *Seriously, did Kenneth Graham even ''know'' if he was writing about Main/{{Funny Animal}}s or Main/{{Talking Animal}}s? The opening scenes suggest more the latter than the former: yes, Ratty has a boat, but he lives in the riverbed, and compliments Mole on his "velvet smoking jacket", which is clearly Mole's actual pelt. Then we learn Toad lives in a big house and it gets a bit confused. ''Then'' it turns out Toad can drive a car, be tried and convicted as a human, and successfully [[Main/DisguisedInDrag disguise himself as a washerwoman]]. And meanwhile we're back to the other animals living in holes and [[Main/MouseWorld being completely disconnected from the human world]]. ''What's going on''? By the end of it all, I don't even know how ''large'' these animals are meant to be, let alone whether they usually wear clothes!



** AAMilne's theory was that the animals were actually [[TheFairFolk fairies]], so they could do whatever they liked.

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** AAMilne's theory was that the animals were actually [[TheFairFolk fairies]], so they could do whatever they liked. liked.
*** I love that theory. When TheCall comes tell it that it's a fairy. Please?
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** AAMilne's theory was that the animals were actually [[TheFairFolk fairies]], so they could do whatever they liked.
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Seriously, did Kenneth Graham even ''know'' if he was writing about Main/{{Funny Animal}}s or Main/{{Talking Animal}}s? The opening scenes suggest more the latter than the former: yes, Ratty has a boat, but he lives in the riverbed, and compliments Mole on his "velvet smoking jacket", which is clearly Mole's actual pelt. Then we learn Toad lives in a big house and it gets a bit confused. ''Then'' it turns out Toad can drive a car, be tried and convicted as a human, and sucessfully [[Main/BosomBuddies disguise himself as a washerwoman]]. And meanwhile we're back to the other animals living in holes and [[Main/MouseWorld being completely disconnected from the human world]]. ''What's going on''? By the end of it all, I don't even know how ''large'' these animals are meant to be, let alone whether they usually wear clothes!

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Seriously, did Kenneth Graham even ''know'' if he was writing about Main/{{Funny Animal}}s or Main/{{Talking Animal}}s? The opening scenes suggest more the latter than the former: yes, Ratty has a boat, but he lives in the riverbed, and compliments Mole on his "velvet smoking jacket", which is clearly Mole's actual pelt. Then we learn Toad lives in a big house and it gets a bit confused. ''Then'' it turns out Toad can drive a car, be tried and convicted as a human, and sucessfully [[Main/BosomBuddies successfully [[Main/DisguisedInDrag disguise himself as a washerwoman]]. And meanwhile we're back to the other animals living in holes and [[Main/MouseWorld being completely disconnected from the human world]]. ''What's going on''? By the end of it all, I don't even know how ''large'' these animals are meant to be, let alone whether they usually wear clothes!

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