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* In "When The Sky Was Opened" if the crew of the space-plane wasn't meant to come back from where ever they dissappeared to for 24 hours while in space, why were their entire lives being erased from existence, and not just everything they did after they reappeared? If I had to guess, I'd say that the other place, or something inhabiting it, liked them, and decided to steal everything about them from our plane of existence, but that's not what the episode implies.
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* In "When The Sky Was Opened" if the crew of the space-plane wasn't meant to come back from where ever whereever they dissappeared disappeared to for 24 hours while in space, why were their entire lives being erased from existence, and not just everything they did after they reappeared? If I had to guess, I'd say that the other place, or something inhabiting it, liked them, and decided to steal everything about them from our plane of existence, but that's not what the episode implies.
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** He got a good job and Pedott can tell the future quite well so he knows it's for the best. He could've asked someone to borrow money, gotten the contact information from them, and repay the person in a few weeks.
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** WHAT? anti-semitism, racism, and patriotism existed in the world, and Germany, far longer than the USA even was a Country. To imply that Hitler became the way he did because he was "inspired" by the US, even though that guy literally hated America so much that he banned American media is not only horrible, but also stupid and not true.
*** [[AluminumChristmasTrees Yeeeeah]], [[https://www.history.com/news/how-the-nazis-were-inspired-by-jim-crow about]] [[https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/11/what-america-taught-the-nazis/540630/ that...]]
** Well, of course America isn't the be-all-end-all of racism. However, Hitler definitely was exposed to American media, especially as a young man long ''before'' he rose to power, since, you know, [[DepartmentOfRedundancyDepartment he wasn't in charge yet and therefore could not ban it,]] and had as much access to it as any other German man in his social standing. He was very much influenced by the prolific form of racism that America had as the above articles clarify. From my own research, I can't find any sources citing how Hitler might have hated America more than any other country Nazi Germany fought against at the time, at least for any more nuanced reasons than the obvious anti-Semitic, racist, and homophobic ones. Don't get me wrong, this stuff certainly existed in Germany as well (after all, so many wouldn't have fallen to Nazi ideology if that wasn't the case), but Hitler did explicitly find inspiration from [[UsefulNotes/AntebellumAmerica America's distinct brand of racism and it's consequences.]] Also, regardless of Nazism's source, [[https://time.com/5414055/american-nazi-sympathy-book/ there were plenty of people in America before and during the Twilight Zone's run who were hard believers of Nazi ideology.]] Peter definitely has resources to learn it from, whether it be from his Nazi friends or from reading books written by American Nazis in the aftermath of World War 2.
** The above objection is probably because the initial response makes it sound like Hitler wouldn't have decided to be racist or xenophobic had it not been for the US, therefore Hitler and his Third Reich would not have existed without the US. It would be more accurate to say that Hitler approved of the industrial and economic advantages of the US, and he definitely enjoyed the movies, but nonetheless considered the US to be weakened and degenerate due to racial/ethnic/religious mixing-- And he didn't need to cross the Atlantic to see examples of how to segregate and legally oppress minorities, as pointed out by one of the linked articles. Saying "Hitler was inspired to be Hitler because of the US" is inaccurate at best, intentionally misleading at worst.\\
More relevant to the original Headscratcher: BoomerangBigot is a thing, so it's not unheard-of, for example, someone of Jewish descent to become anti-Semitic, a citizen of a nation to join a terrorist group targeting that nation, and so on. As Peter himself wasn't Jewish, there would have been even less of a reason for him ''not'' to buy into it, especially on a broader scale, i.e. "This one Jewish man is okay, but Jewish people in general are bad." It's also possible that Ernst didn't discuss his past with Peter to any real extent, which isn't uncommon for people who lived through traumatic situations, so Peter might not have made any real association between the hate he's promoting and his father-figure until he was too radicalized to care.
*** [[AluminumChristmasTrees Yeeeeah]], [[https://www.history.com/news/how-the-nazis-were-inspired-by-jim-crow about]] [[https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/11/what-america-taught-the-nazis/540630/ that...]]
** Well, of course America isn't the be-all-end-all of racism. However, Hitler definitely was exposed to American media, especially as a young man long ''before'' he rose to power, since, you know, [[DepartmentOfRedundancyDepartment he wasn't in charge yet and therefore could not ban it,]] and had as much access to it as any other German man in his social standing. He was very much influenced by the prolific form of racism that America had as the above articles clarify. From my own research, I can't find any sources citing how Hitler might have hated America more than any other country Nazi Germany fought against at the time, at least for any more nuanced reasons than the obvious anti-Semitic, racist, and homophobic ones. Don't get me wrong, this stuff certainly existed in Germany as well (after all, so many wouldn't have fallen to Nazi ideology if that wasn't the case), but Hitler did explicitly find inspiration from [[UsefulNotes/AntebellumAmerica America's distinct brand of racism and it's consequences.]] Also, regardless of Nazism's source, [[https://time.com/5414055/american-nazi-sympathy-book/ there were plenty of people in America before and during the Twilight Zone's run who were hard believers of Nazi ideology.]] Peter definitely has resources to learn it from, whether it be from his Nazi friends or from reading books written by American Nazis in the aftermath of World War 2.
** The above objection is probably because the initial response makes it sound like Hitler wouldn't have decided to be racist or xenophobic had it not been for the US, therefore Hitler and his Third Reich would not have existed without the US. It would be more accurate to say that Hitler approved of the industrial and economic advantages of the US, and he definitely enjoyed the movies, but nonetheless considered the US to be weakened and degenerate due to racial/ethnic/religious mixing-- And he didn't need to cross the Atlantic to see examples of how to segregate and legally oppress minorities, as pointed out by one of the linked articles. Saying "Hitler was inspired to be Hitler because of the US" is inaccurate at best, intentionally misleading at worst.\\
More relevant to the original Headscratcher: BoomerangBigot is a thing, so it's not unheard-of, for example, someone of Jewish descent to become anti-Semitic, a citizen of a nation to join a terrorist group targeting that nation, and so on. As Peter himself wasn't Jewish, there would have been even less of a reason for him ''not'' to buy into it, especially on a broader scale, i.e. "This one Jewish man is okay, but Jewish people in general are bad." It's also possible that Ernst didn't discuss his past with Peter to any real extent, which isn't uncommon for people who lived through traumatic situations, so Peter might not have made any real association between the hate he's promoting and his father-figure until he was too radicalized to care.
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** More relevant to the original Headscratcher: BoomerangBigot is a thing, so it's not unheard-of, for example, someone of Jewish descent to become anti-Semitic, a citizen of a nation to join a terrorist group targeting that nation, and so on. As Peter himself wasn't Jewish, there would have been even less of a reason for him ''not'' to buy into it, especially on a broader scale, i.e. "This one Jewish man is okay, but Jewish people in general are bad." It's also possible that Ernst didn't discuss his past with Peter to any real extent, which isn't uncommon for people who lived through traumatic situations, so Peter might not have made any real association between the hate he's promoting and his father-figure until he was too radicalized to care.
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** The characters may also simply not have had a chance to think of it. Corry had just found out, after years of being stuck alone on an asteroid, that he gets to go home. At virtually the same moment, he finds out that the woman he loves has to be abandoned on the asteroid. Given he thought of her as a woman, not as a machine, it's unlikely that the idea of extracting a memory bank would occur to him, let alone in the minute he had between getting the news that she had to be abandoned and her being killed. Allenby's crew weren't exactly sympathetic to Corry and it's unlikely they'd have thought of doing this to help him. Allenby is the only character who could plausibly have thought of it but he was under time constraints and his priority was getting everyone back to earth safely, so he had to act fast rather than waiting to think of a better plan. It's also unclear if he would have had the technical knowledge to detach a robot's head without damaging its memory in under 20 minutes (less if he had to talk Corry into it), or even the equipment (especially considering the ship had been stripped and Corry didn't exactly have a lot of supplies). We also have no reason to assume that the head-shot killing her means her that her consciousness is in her head (it would be analogous to conclude that a human's consciousness lay in their heart if stopping their heart killed them). Even if we assume her memory was in her head, the average human head weights 10 to 11 pounds. It's completely possible that a robot's head could be heavier than that and would therefore exceed the weight limit of 15 pounds.
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** The characters may also simply not have had a chance to think of it. Corry had just found out, after years of being stuck alone on an asteroid, that he gets to go home. At virtually the same moment, he finds out that the woman he loves has to be abandoned on the asteroid. Given he thought of her as a woman, not as a machine, it's unlikely that the idea of extracting a memory bank would occur to him, let alone in the minute he had between getting the news that she had to be abandoned and her being killed. Allenby's crew weren't exactly sympathetic to Corry and it's unlikely they'd have thought of doing this to help him. Allenby is the only character who could plausibly have thought of it but he was under time constraints and his priority was getting everyone back to earth Earth safely, so he had to act fast rather than waiting to think of a better plan. It's also unclear if he would have had the technical knowledge to detach a robot's head without damaging its memory in under 20 minutes (less if he had to talk Corry into it), or even the equipment (especially considering the ship had been stripped and Corry didn't exactly have a lot of supplies). We also have no reason to assume that the head-shot killing her means her that her consciousness is in her head (it would be analogous to conclude that a human's consciousness lay in their heart if stopping their heart killed them). Even if we assume her memory was in her head, the average human head weights 10 to 11 pounds. It's completely possible that a robot's head could be heavier than that and would therefore exceed the weight limit of 15 pounds.
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** The above objection is probably because the initial response makes it sound like Hitler wouldn't have decided to be racist or xenophobic had it not been for the US when, for example, anti-Semitism has a history in Europe that predates, you know, the USA existing as a country. Hitler's second big thing was anti-Slavic bigotry, which was also common in Western Europe, which had historically viewed Russia as "half Oriental" and subsequently more barbaric/inferior to the culture and civilization of the West; and of course, he was driven by the damaged national pride that afflicted Germany during the interwar period. It would be more accurate to say that Hitler approved of the industrial and economic advantages of the US, and he definitely enjoyed the movies, but nonetheless considered the US to be weakened and degenerate due to racial/ethnic/religious mixing-- And he didn't need to cross the Atlantic to see examples of how to segregate and legally oppress minorities, as pointed out by one of the linked articles. Saying "Hitler was inspired to be Hitler because of the US" is inaccurate at best, intentionally misleading at worst.
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** The above objection is probably because the initial response makes it sound like Hitler wouldn't have decided to be racist or xenophobic had it not been for the US when, for example, anti-Semitism has a history in Europe that predates, you know, US, therefore Hitler and his Third Reich would not have existed without the USA existing as a country. Hitler's second big thing was anti-Slavic bigotry, which was also common in Western Europe, which had historically viewed Russia as "half Oriental" and subsequently more barbaric/inferior to the culture and civilization of the West; and of course, he was driven by the damaged national pride that afflicted Germany during the interwar period.US. It would be more accurate to say that Hitler approved of the industrial and economic advantages of the US, and he definitely enjoyed the movies, but nonetheless considered the US to be weakened and degenerate due to racial/ethnic/religious mixing-- And he didn't need to cross the Atlantic to see examples of how to segregate and legally oppress minorities, as pointed out by one of the linked articles. Saying "Hitler was inspired to be Hitler because of the US" is inaccurate at best, intentionally misleading at worst.\\
More relevant to the original Headscratcher: BoomerangBigot is a thing, so it's not unheard-of, for example, someone of Jewish descent to become anti-Semitic, a citizen of a nation to join a terrorist group targeting that nation, and so on. As Peter himself wasn't Jewish, there would have been even less of a reason for him ''not'' to buy into it, especially on a broader scale, i.e. "This one Jewish man is okay, but Jewish people in general are bad." It's also possible that Ernst didn't discuss his past with Peter to any real extent, which isn't uncommon for people who lived through traumatic situations, so Peter might not have made any real association between the hate he's promoting and his father-figure until he was too radicalized to care.
More relevant to the original Headscratcher: BoomerangBigot is a thing, so it's not unheard-of, for example, someone of Jewish descent to become anti-Semitic, a citizen of a nation to join a terrorist group targeting that nation, and so on. As Peter himself wasn't Jewish, there would have been even less of a reason for him ''not'' to buy into it, especially on a broader scale, i.e. "This one Jewish man is okay, but Jewish people in general are bad." It's also possible that Ernst didn't discuss his past with Peter to any real extent, which isn't uncommon for people who lived through traumatic situations, so Peter might not have made any real association between the hate he's promoting and his father-figure until he was too radicalized to care.
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** Well, of course America isn't the be-all-end-all of racism. However, Hitler definitely was exposed to American media, especially as a young man long ''before'' he rose to power, since, you know, [[DepartmentOfRedundancyDepartment he wasn't in charge yet and therefore could not ban it,]] and had as much access to it as any other German man in his social standing. He was very much influenced by the prolific form of racism that America had as the above articles clarify. From my own research, I can't find any sources citing how Hitler might have hated America more than any other country Nazi Germany fought against at the time, at least for any more nuanced reasons than the obvious anti-Semitic, racist, and homophobic ones. Don't get me wrong, this stuff certainly existed in Germany as well (after all, so many wouldn't have fallen to Nazi ideology if that wasn't the case), but Hitler did explicitly find inspiration from [[UsefulNotes/AntebellumAmerica America's distinct brand of racism and it's consequences.]] Also, regardless of Nazism's source, [[https://time.com/5414055/american-nazi-sympathy-book/ there were plenty of people in America before and during the Twilight Zone's run who were hard believers of Nazi ideology.]] Peter definitely has resources to learn it from, whether it be from his Nazi friends or from reading books written by American Nazis in the aftermath of World War 2.
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** Well, of course America isn't the be-all-end-all of racism. However, Hitler definitely was exposed to American media, especially as a young man long ''before'' he rose to power, since, you know, [[DepartmentOfRedundancyDepartment he wasn't in charge yet and therefore could not ban it,]] and had as much access to it as any other German man in his social standing. He was very much influenced by the prolific form of racism that America had as the above articles clarify. From my own research, I can't find any sources citing how Hitler might have hated America more than any other country Nazi Germany fought against at the time, at least for any more nuanced reasons than the obvious anti-Semitic, racist, and homophobic ones. Don't get me wrong, this stuff certainly existed in Germany as well (after all, so many wouldn't have fallen to Nazi ideology if that wasn't the case), but Hitler did explicitly find inspiration from [[UsefulNotes/AntebellumAmerica America's distinct brand of racism and it's consequences.]] Also, regardless of Nazism's source, [[https://time.com/5414055/american-nazi-sympathy-book/ there were plenty of people in America before and during the Twilight Zone's run who were hard believers of Nazi ideology.]] Peter definitely has resources to learn it from, whether it be from his Nazi friends or from reading books written by American Nazis in the aftermath of World War 2.2.
** The above objection is probably because the initial response makes it sound like Hitler wouldn't have decided to be racist or xenophobic had it not been for the US when, for example, anti-Semitism has a history in Europe that predates, you know, the USA existing as a country. Hitler's second big thing was anti-Slavic bigotry, which was also common in Western Europe, which had historically viewed Russia as "half Oriental" and subsequently more barbaric/inferior to the culture and civilization of the West; and of course, he was driven by the damaged national pride that afflicted Germany during the interwar period. It would be more accurate to say that Hitler approved of the industrial and economic advantages of the US, and he definitely enjoyed the movies, but nonetheless considered the US to be weakened and degenerate due to racial/ethnic/religious mixing-- And he didn't need to cross the Atlantic to see examples of how to segregate and legally oppress minorities, as pointed out by one of the linked articles. Saying "Hitler was inspired to be Hitler because of the US" is inaccurate at best, intentionally misleading at worst.
** The above objection is probably because the initial response makes it sound like Hitler wouldn't have decided to be racist or xenophobic had it not been for the US when, for example, anti-Semitism has a history in Europe that predates, you know, the USA existing as a country. Hitler's second big thing was anti-Slavic bigotry, which was also common in Western Europe, which had historically viewed Russia as "half Oriental" and subsequently more barbaric/inferior to the culture and civilization of the West; and of course, he was driven by the damaged national pride that afflicted Germany during the interwar period. It would be more accurate to say that Hitler approved of the industrial and economic advantages of the US, and he definitely enjoyed the movies, but nonetheless considered the US to be weakened and degenerate due to racial/ethnic/religious mixing-- And he didn't need to cross the Atlantic to see examples of how to segregate and legally oppress minorities, as pointed out by one of the linked articles. Saying "Hitler was inspired to be Hitler because of the US" is inaccurate at best, intentionally misleading at worst.
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** Well, of course America isn't the be-all-end-all of racism. However, Hitler definitely was exposed to American media, especially as a young man long ''before'' he rose to power, since, you know, [[DepartmentOfRedundancyDepartment he wasn't in charge yet and therefore could not ban it,]] and had as much access to it as any other German man in his social standing. He was very much influenced by the prolific form of racism that America had as the above articles clarify. From my own research, I can't find any sources citing how Hitler might have hated America more than any other country Nazi Germany fought against at the time, at least for any more nuanced reasons than the obvious anti-Semitic, racist, and homophobic ones. Don't get me wrong, this stuff certainly existed in Germany as well (after all, so many wouldn't have fallen to Nazi ideology if that wasn't the case), but Hitler did explicitly find inspiration from [[UsefulNotes/AntebellumAmerica America's distinct brand of racism and it's consequences.]] Also, regardless of Nazism's source, [[https://time.com/5414055/american-nazi-sympathy-book/ there were plenty of people in America before and during the Twilight Zone's run who were hard believers of Nazi ideology.]] Peter definitely has resources to learn it from, whether it be from his Nazi friends or from reading books written by American Nazis in the aftermath of World War 2.
* In "Demon With A Glass Hand", Trent is a robot who was sent back in time to take TheSlowPath back in order to wait out a plague that destroyed all of humanity. After the plague has died out, the genetic code for humanity is imprinted on a wire in his body and he's supposed to use that to resurrect the human race. Exactly ''how'' is he supposed to resurrect humanity with just genetic code on a piece of wire? No sperm, no ova, no fetuses, no wombs to nurture and grow the fetuses in the first place, etc.
* In "Demon With A Glass Hand", Trent is a robot who was sent back in time to take TheSlowPath back in order to wait out a plague that destroyed all of humanity. After the plague has died out, the genetic code for humanity is imprinted on a wire in his body and he's supposed to use that to resurrect the human race. Exactly ''how'' is he supposed to resurrect humanity with just genetic code on a piece of wire? No sperm, no ova, no fetuses, no wombs to nurture and grow the fetuses in the first place, etc.
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** Well, of course America isn't the be-all-end-all of racism. However, Hitler definitely was exposed to American media, especially as a young man long ''before'' he rose to power, since, you know, [[DepartmentOfRedundancyDepartment he wasn't in charge yet and therefore could not ban it,]] and had as much access to it as any other German man in his social standing. He was very much influenced by the prolific form of racism that America had as the above articles clarify. From my own research, I can't find any sources citing how Hitler might have hated America more than any other country Nazi Germany fought against at the time, at least for any more nuanced reasons than the obvious anti-Semitic, racist, and homophobic ones. Don't get me wrong, this stuff certainly existed in Germany as well (after all, so many wouldn't have fallen to Nazi ideology if that wasn't the case), but Hitler did explicitly find inspiration from [[UsefulNotes/AntebellumAmerica America's distinct brand of racism and it's consequences.]] Also, regardless of Nazism's source, [[https://time.com/5414055/american-nazi-sympathy-book/ there were plenty of people in America before and during the Twilight Zone's run who were hard believers of Nazi ideology.]] Peter definitely has resources to learn it from, whether it be from his Nazi friends or from reading books written by American Nazis in the aftermath of World War 2.
* In "Demon With A Glass Hand", Trent is a robot who was sent back in time to take TheSlowPath back in order to wait out a plague that destroyed all of humanity. After the plague has died out, the genetic code for humanity is imprinted on a wire in his body and he's supposed to use that to resurrect the human race. Exactly ''how'' is he supposed to resurrect humanity with just genetic code on a piece of wire? No sperm, no ova, no fetuses, no wombs to nurture and grow the fetuses in the first place, etc.2.
* In "Demon With A Glass Hand", Trent is a robot who was sent back in time to take TheSlowPath back in order to wait out a plague that destroyed all of humanity. After the plague has died out, the genetic code for humanity is imprinted on a wire in his body and he's supposed to use that to resurrect the human race. Exactly ''how'' is he supposed to resurrect humanity with just genetic code on a piece of wire? No sperm, no ova, no fetuses, no wombs to nurture and grow the fetuses in the first place, etc.
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** Well, of course America isn't the be-all-end-all of racism. However, Hitler definitely was exposed to American media, especially as a young man long ''before'' he rose to power, since, you know, [[DepartmentOfRedundancyDepartment he wasn't in charge yet and therefore could not ban it,]] and had as much access to it as any other German man in his social standing. He was very much influenced by the prolific form of racism that America had as the above articles clarify. From my own research, I can't find any sources citing how Hitler might have hated America more than any other country Nazi Germany fought against at the time, at least for any more nuanced reasons than the obvious anti-Semitic, racist, and homophobic ones. Don't get me wrong, this stuff certainly existed in Germany as well (after all, so many wouldn't have fallen to Nazi ideology if that wasn't the case), but Hitler did explicitly find inspiration from [[UsefulNotes/AntebellumAmerica America's distinct brand of racism and it's consequences.]] Also, regardless of Nazism's source, [[https://time.com/5414055/american-nazi-sympathy-book/ there were plenty of people in America before and during the Twilight Zone's run who were hard believers of Nazi ideology.]] Peter definitely has resources to learn it from, whether it be from his Nazi friends or from reading books written by American Nazis in the aftermath of World War 2.
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** Well, of course America isn't the be-all-end-all of racism. However, Hitler definitely was exposed to American media, especially as a young man long ''before'' he rose to power, since, you know, [[DepartmentOfRedundancyDepartment he wasn't in charge yet and therefore could not ban it,]] and had as much access to it as any other German man in his social standing. He was very much influenced by the prolific form of racism that America had as the above articles clarify. From my own research, I can't find any sources citing how Hitler might have hated America more than any other country Nazi Germany fought against at the time, at least for any more nuanced reasons than the obvious anti-Semitic, racist, and homophobic ones. Don't get me wrong, this stuff certainly existed in Germany as well (after all, so many wouldn't have fallen to Nazi ideology if that wasn't the case), but Hitler did explicitly find inspiration from [[UsefulNotes/AntebellumAmerica America's distinct brand of racism and it's consequences.]] Also, regardless of Nazism's source, [[https://time.com/5414055/american-nazi-sympathy-book/ there were plenty of people in America before and during the Twilight Zone's run who were hard believers of Nazi ideology.]] Peter definitely has resources to learn it from, whether it be from his Nazi friends or from reading books written by American Nazis in the aftermath of World War 2.2.
* In "Demon With A Glass Hand", Trent is a robot who was sent back in time to take TheSlowPath back in order to wait out a plague that destroyed all of humanity. After the plague has died out, the genetic code for humanity is imprinted on a wire in his body and he's supposed to use that to resurrect the human race. Exactly ''how'' is he supposed to resurrect humanity with just genetic code on a piece of wire? No sperm, no ova, no fetuses, no wombs to nurture and grow the fetuses in the first place, etc.
* In "Demon With A Glass Hand", Trent is a robot who was sent back in time to take TheSlowPath back in order to wait out a plague that destroyed all of humanity. After the plague has died out, the genetic code for humanity is imprinted on a wire in his body and he's supposed to use that to resurrect the human race. Exactly ''how'' is he supposed to resurrect humanity with just genetic code on a piece of wire? No sperm, no ova, no fetuses, no wombs to nurture and grow the fetuses in the first place, etc.
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*** Presumably, Walter realized that if survived the guards shooting at him, a BrokenMasquerade scenario would occur. If the world at large suddenly knew that he was indestructible and immortal, he'd presumably be swooped up by government agencies and subjected to a myriad of tests (and God knows what else). Remember that Walter's major flaw is [[ItsAllAboutMe only caring about himself]]--he's a miserable hypochondriac whose only concern is his own comfort. The thought of being subjected to countless uncomfortable situations without end drove him over the edge, so he invoked the clause.
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** Movies and TV shows tends to operate on what I like to call "flexible timing". Basically, unless there's a visual or audible countdown, things hardly ever take place in real time - a shot/reaction shot could be happening almost simultaneously in-universe; we as the audience just see them one after the other, thus drawing out the length of time. In-universe, both occasions were ten seconds from when he drank the potion, it's just taking longer for us to actually see it.
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** Well, of course America isn't the be-all-end-all of racism. However, Hitler definitely was exposed to American media, especially as a young man long ''before'' he rose to power, since, you know, [[DepartmentOfRedundancyDepartment he wasn't in charge yet and therefore could not ban it,]] and had as much access to it as any other German man in his social standing. He was very much influenced by the prolific form of racism that America had as the above articles clarify. From my own research, I can't find any sources citing how Hitler might have hated America more than any other country Nazi Germany fought against at the time, at least for any more nuanced reasons than the obvious anti-Semitic, racist, and homophobic ones. Don't get me wrong, this stuff certainly existed in Germany as well (after all, so many wouldn't have fallen to Nazi ideology if that wasn't the case), but Hitler did explicitly find inspiration from [[UsefulNotes/AntebellumAmerica America's distinct brand of racism and it's consequences.]] Also, regardless of Nazism's source, [[https://time.com/5414055/american-nazi-sympathy-book/ there were plenty of people in America before ''and'' during the Twilight Zone's run who were hard believers of Nazi ideology.]] Peter definitely has resources to learn it from, whether it be from his Nazi friends or from reading books written by American Nazis in the aftermath of World War 2.
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** Well, of course America isn't the be-all-end-all of racism. However, Hitler definitely was exposed to American media, especially as a young man long ''before'' he rose to power, since, you know, [[DepartmentOfRedundancyDepartment he wasn't in charge yet and therefore could not ban it,]] and had as much access to it as any other German man in his social standing. He was very much influenced by the prolific form of racism that America had as the above articles clarify. From my own research, I can't find any sources citing how Hitler might have hated America more than any other country Nazi Germany fought against at the time, at least for any more nuanced reasons than the obvious anti-Semitic, racist, and homophobic ones. Don't get me wrong, this stuff certainly existed in Germany as well (after all, so many wouldn't have fallen to Nazi ideology if that wasn't the case), but Hitler did explicitly find inspiration from [[UsefulNotes/AntebellumAmerica America's distinct brand of racism and it's consequences.]] Also, regardless of Nazism's source, [[https://time.com/5414055/american-nazi-sympathy-book/ there were plenty of people in America before ''and'' and during the Twilight Zone's run who were hard believers of Nazi ideology.]] Peter definitely has resources to learn it from, whether it be from his Nazi friends or from reading books written by American Nazis in the aftermath of World War 2.
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** Well, of course America isn't the be-all-end-all of racism. However, Hitler definitely wasn't living in a bubble, especially as a young man''before'' he rose to power, since, you know, [[DepartmentOfRedundancyDepartment he wasn't in charge yet and therefore could not ban it,]] and therefore had as much access to American media as any other German man in his social standing. He was very much influenced by the prolific form of racism that America had as the above articles clarify. From my own research, I can't find any sources citing how Hitler might have hated America more than any other country Nazi Germany fought against at the time, at least for any more nuanced reasons than the obvious anti-Semitic, racist, and homophobic ones. Don't get me wrong, this stuff existed in Germany as well (after all, so many wouldn't have fallen to Nazi ideology if that wasn't the case), but Hitler did explicitly find inspiration from [[UsefulNotes/AntebellumAmerica America's distinct brand of racism and it's consequences.]]
** Also, regardless of Nazism's source, [[https://time.com/5414055/american-nazi-sympathy-book/ there were plenty of people in America during the Twilight Zone's run who were hard believers of Nazi ideology.]] Peter definitely has resources to learn it from, whether it be from his Nazi friends or from reading books written by American Nazis in the aftermath of World War 2.
** Also, regardless of Nazism's source, [[https://time.com/5414055/american-nazi-sympathy-book/ there were plenty of people in America during the Twilight Zone's run who were hard believers of Nazi ideology.]] Peter definitely has resources to learn it from, whether it be from his Nazi friends or from reading books written by American Nazis in the aftermath of World War 2.
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** Well, of course America isn't the be-all-end-all of racism. However, Hitler definitely wasn't living in a bubble, was exposed to American media, especially as a young man''before'' man long ''before'' he rose to power, since, you know, [[DepartmentOfRedundancyDepartment he wasn't in charge yet and therefore could not ban it,]] and therefore had as much access to American media it as any other German man in his social standing. He was very much influenced by the prolific form of racism that America had as the above articles clarify. From my own research, I can't find any sources citing how Hitler might have hated America more than any other country Nazi Germany fought against at the time, at least for any more nuanced reasons than the obvious anti-Semitic, racist, and homophobic ones. Don't get me wrong, this stuff certainly existed in Germany as well (after all, so many wouldn't have fallen to Nazi ideology if that wasn't the case), but Hitler did explicitly find inspiration from [[UsefulNotes/AntebellumAmerica America's distinct brand of racism and it's consequences.]]
**]] Also, regardless of Nazism's source, [[https://time.com/5414055/american-nazi-sympathy-book/ there were plenty of people in America before ''and'' during the Twilight Zone's run who were hard believers of Nazi ideology.]] Peter definitely has resources to learn it from, whether it be from his Nazi friends or from reading books written by American Nazis in the aftermath of World War 2.
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** Well, of course America isn't the be-all-end-all of racism. However, Hitler definitely wasn't living in a bubble, especially as a young man''before'' he rose to power, since, you know, [[DepartmentOfRedundancyDepartment he wasn't in charge yet and therefore could not ban it,]] and therefore had as much access to American media as any other German man in his social standing. He was very much influenced by the prolific form of racism that America had as the above articles clarify. From my own research, I can't find any sources citing how Hitler might have hated America more than any other country Nazi Germany fought against at the time, at least for any more nuanced reasons than the obvious anti-Semitic, racist, and homophobic ones. Don't get me wrong, this stuff existed in Germany as well (after all, so many wouldn't have fallen to Nazi ideology if that wasn't the case), but Hitler did explicitly find inspiration from [[UsefulNotes/AntebellumAmerica America's distinct brand of racism and it's consequences.]]
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** Well, of course America isn't the be-all-end-all of racism. However, Hitler definitely wasn't living in a bubble, especially as a young man''before'' he rose to power, since, you know, [[DepartmentOfRedundancyDepartment he wasn't in charge yet and therefore could not ban it,]] and therefore had as much access to American media as any other German man in his social standing. He was very much influenced by the prolific form of racism that America had as the above articles clarify. From my own research, I can't find any sources citing how Hitler might have hated America more than any other country Nazi Germany fought against at the time, at least for any more nuanced reasons than the obvious anti-Semitic, racist, and homophobic ones. Don't get me wrong, this stuff existed in Germany as well (after all, so many wouldn't have fallen to Nazi ideology if that wasn't the case), but Hitler did explicitly find inspiration from [[UsefulNotes/AntebellumAmerica America's distinct brand of racism and it's consequences.]]]]
** Also, regardless of Nazism's source, [[https://time.com/5414055/american-nazi-sympathy-book/ there were plenty of people in America during the Twilight Zone's run who were hard believers of Nazi ideology.]] Peter definitely has resources to learn it from, whether it be from his Nazi friends or from reading books written by American Nazis in the aftermath of World War 2.
** Also, regardless of Nazism's source, [[https://time.com/5414055/american-nazi-sympathy-book/ there were plenty of people in America during the Twilight Zone's run who were hard believers of Nazi ideology.]] Peter definitely has resources to learn it from, whether it be from his Nazi friends or from reading books written by American Nazis in the aftermath of World War 2.
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** WHAT? Antisemetus, Racism Patriotismus and Co existed in the World and Germany for far longer then the USA even is a Country. To imply that Hitler became the way he did because he was ,,inspired,, by the US even tho that Guy litarelly hated America so much that he banned American Media is not only horrible but also stupid and not true.
*** [[AluminumChristmasTrees Yeeeeah]], [[https://www.history.com/news/how-the-nazis-were-inspired-by-jim-crow about]] [[https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/11/what-america-taught-the-nazis/540630/ that...]]
*** [[AluminumChristmasTrees Yeeeeah]], [[https://www.history.com/news/how-the-nazis-were-inspired-by-jim-crow about]] [[https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/11/what-america-taught-the-nazis/540630/ that...]]
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** WHAT? Antisemetus, Racism Patriotismus anti-semitism, racism, and Co patriotism existed in the World world, and Germany for Germany, far longer then than the USA even is was a Country. To imply that Hitler became the way he did because he was ,,inspired,, "inspired" by the US US, even tho though that Guy litarelly guy literally hated America so much that he banned American Media media is not only horrible horrible, but also stupid and not true.
*** [[AluminumChristmasTrees Yeeeeah]], [[https://www.history.com/news/how-the-nazis-were-inspired-by-jim-crow about]] [[https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/11/what-america-taught-the-nazis/540630/ that...]]
** Well, of course America isn't the be-all-end-all of racism. However, Hitler definitely wasn't living in a bubble, especially as a young man''before'' he rose to power, since, you know, [[DepartmentOfRedundancyDepartment he wasn't in charge yet and therefore could not ban it,]] and therefore had as much access to American media as any other German man in his social standing. He was very much influenced by the prolific form of racism that America had as the above articles clarify. From my own research, I can't find any sources citing how Hitler might have hated America more than any other country Nazi Germany fought against at the time, at least for any more nuanced reasons than the obvious anti-Semitic, racist, and homophobic ones. Don't get me wrong, this stuff existed in Germany as well (after all, so many wouldn't have fallen to Nazi ideology if that wasn't the case), but Hitler did explicitly find inspiration from [[UsefulNotes/AntebellumAmerica America's distinct brand of racism and it's consequences.]]
*** [[AluminumChristmasTrees Yeeeeah]], [[https://www.history.com/news/how-the-nazis-were-inspired-by-jim-crow about]] [[https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/11/what-america-taught-the-nazis/540630/ that...]]
** Well, of course America isn't the be-all-end-all of racism. However, Hitler definitely wasn't living in a bubble, especially as a young man''before'' he rose to power, since, you know, [[DepartmentOfRedundancyDepartment he wasn't in charge yet and therefore could not ban it,]] and therefore had as much access to American media as any other German man in his social standing. He was very much influenced by the prolific form of racism that America had as the above articles clarify. From my own research, I can't find any sources citing how Hitler might have hated America more than any other country Nazi Germany fought against at the time, at least for any more nuanced reasons than the obvious anti-Semitic, racist, and homophobic ones. Don't get me wrong, this stuff existed in Germany as well (after all, so many wouldn't have fallen to Nazi ideology if that wasn't the case), but Hitler did explicitly find inspiration from [[UsefulNotes/AntebellumAmerica America's distinct brand of racism and it's consequences.]]
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*** Yeeeeah, [[https://www.history.com/news/how-the-nazis-were-inspired-by-jim-crow about]] [[https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/11/what-america-taught-the-nazis/540630/ that...]]
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*** Yeeeeah, [[AluminumChristmasTrees Yeeeeah]], [[https://www.history.com/news/how-the-nazis-were-inspired-by-jim-crow about]] [[https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/11/what-america-taught-the-nazis/540630/ that...]]
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WHAT? Antisemetus, Racism Patriotismus and Co existed in the World and Germany for far longer then the USA even is a Country. To imply that Hitler became the way he did because he was ,,inspired,, by the US even tho that Guy litarelly hated America so much that he banned American Media is not only horrible but also stupid and not true.
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*** Yeeeeah, [[https://www.history.com/news/how-the-nazis-were-inspired-by-jim-crow about]] [[https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/11/what-america-taught-the-nazis/540630/ that...]]
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WHAT? Antisemetus, Racism Patriotismus and Co existed in the World and Germany for far longer then the USA. To imply that Hitler became the way he did because he was ,,inspired by the US even tho that Guy litarelly hated America so much that he banned American Media is not only horrible but also stupid and not true.)
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WHAT? Antisemetus, Racism Patriotismus and Co existed in the World and Germany for far longer then the USA. USA even is a Country. To imply that Hitler became the way he did because he was ,,inspired ,,inspired,, by the US even tho that Guy litarelly hated America so much that he banned American Media is not only horrible but also stupid and not true.)
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(WHAT? Antisemetus, Racism Patriotismus and Co existed in the World and Germany for far longer then the USA. To imply that Hitler became the way he did because he was ,,inspired by the US even tho that Guy litarelly hated America so much that he banned American Media is not only horrible but also stupid and not true.)
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WHAT? Antisemetus, Racism Patriotismus and Co existed in the World and Germany for far longer then the USA. To imply that Hitler became the way he did because he was ,,inspired by the US even tho that Guy litarelly hated America so much that he banned American Media is not only horrible but also stupid and not true.
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** Also, even if a loved one was a Holocaust survivor, Peter may have been brought into Nazism by history books or his friends. After all, as much as [[{{Hypocrite}} we like to think Hitler was the creator of nationalism and racial elitism, Hitler was very much inspired by the USA and its racist, homophobic and eugenic past, so there wouldn’t be any shortage of inspiration for Peter.]]
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** Also, even if a loved one was a Holocaust survivor, Peter may have been brought into Nazism by history books or his friends. After all, as much as [[{{Hypocrite}} we like to think Hitler was the creator of nationalism and racial elitism, Hitler was very much inspired by the USA and its racist, homophobic and eugenic past, so there wouldn’t be any shortage of inspiration for Peter.]]]]
WHAT? Antisemetus, Racism Patriotismus and Co existed in the World and Germany for far longer then the USA. To imply that Hitler became the way he did because he was ,,inspired by the US even tho that Guy litarelly hated America so much that he banned American Media is not only horrible but also stupid and not true.
WHAT? Antisemetus, Racism Patriotismus and Co existed in the World and Germany for far longer then the USA. To imply that Hitler became the way he did because he was ,,inspired by the US even tho that Guy litarelly hated America so much that he banned American Media is not only horrible but also stupid and not true.
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* In ''He's Alive,'' how the hell did Peter become a Neo-Nazi when his surrogate-father figure was a Jewish Holocaust Survivor?
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* In ''He's Alive,'' how the hell did Peter become a Neo-Nazi when his surrogate-father figure was a Jewish Holocaust Survivor?survivor?
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** Well it's obviously hard to answer that question when we have no idea why it even happened. Perhaps [[NothingIsScarier whoever or whatever was behind it]] thought that the question of where they disappeared to and, more importantly, the loss of those men motivating the search to find out what happened to them would have the same consequences as just letting them return, or something?
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** Also, even if a loved one was a Holocaust survivor, Peter may have been brought into Nazism by history books or his friends. After all, as much as [[{{Hypocrite}} we like to think Hitler was the creator of nationalism and racial elitism, Hitler was very much inspired by the USA and it’s racist, homophobic and eugenic past, so there wouldn’t be any shortage of inspiration for Peter.]]
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** Also, even if a loved one was a Holocaust survivor, Peter may have been brought into Nazism by history books or his friends. After all, as much as [[{{Hypocrite}} we like to think Hitler was the creator of nationalism and racial elitism, Hitler was very much inspired by the USA and it’s its racist, homophobic and eugenic past, so there wouldn’t be any shortage of inspiration for Peter.]]
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*** How exactly did he disappear the way he did? There was a mist on the street partially obscuring him, but he ''clearly'' disappeared in a way an ordinary human couldn't. It's ''possible'' that he used some kind of magic lantern device to create an illusion of himself, but the episode doesn't say a word about how he did it or that he did it at all.
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*** How exactly did he disappear the way he did? There was a mist on the street partially obscuring him, but he ''clearly'' clearly disappeared in a way an ordinary human couldn't. It's ''possible'' that he used some kind of magic lantern device to create an illusion of himself, but the episode doesn't say a word about how he did it or that he did it at all.
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* From "Mr. Garrity and the Graves" -- Adjusting the dollar value in 1964 for 1890, one dollar is worth about $30. What are the odds the TOWN DRUNK has $15,000 on his person?!!?!
** In fact everyone seems to be carrying thousands of dollars with them. That's insane, especially in the Old West: anything more than $10 would be kept in a bank, and the bank was surely closed at the time the townsfolk were paying Garrity.
** In fact everyone seems to be carrying thousands of dollars with them. That's insane, especially in the Old West: anything more than $10 would be kept in a bank, and the bank was surely closed at the time the townsfolk were paying Garrity.
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* From "Mr. "[[Recap/TheTwilightZoneS5E152MrGarrityAndTheGraves Mr. Garrity and the Graves" Graves]]"
** -- Adjusting the dollar value in 1964 for 1890, one dollar is worth about $30. What are the odds the TOWN DRUNK has $15,000 on his person?!!?!
** *** In fact everyone seems to be carrying thousands of dollars with them. That's insane, especially in the Old West: anything more than $10 would be kept in a bank, and the bank was surely closed at the time the townsfolk were paying Garrity.
** -- Adjusting the dollar value in 1964 for 1890, one dollar is worth about $30. What are the odds the TOWN DRUNK has $15,000 on his person?!!?!
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*** How did he know when the bar owner would pay off Garrity so he could know exactly when to disappear? The whole trick requires split-second timing to work, with no explanation how they pulled it off.
*** How exactly did he disappear the way he did? There was a mist on the street partially obscuring him, but he ''clearly'' disappeared in a way an ordinary human couldn't. It's ''possible'' that he used some kind of magic lantern device to create an illusion of himself, but the episode doesn't say a word about how he did it or that he did it at all.
*** How did he know when the bar owner would pay off Garrity so he could know exactly when to disappear? The whole trick requires split-second timing to work, with no explanation how they pulled it off.
*** How exactly did he disappear the way he did? There was a mist on the street partially obscuring him, but he ''clearly'' disappeared in a way an ordinary human couldn't. It's ''possible'' that he used some kind of magic lantern device to create an illusion of himself, but the episode doesn't say a word about how he did it or that he did it at all.
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** Also, even if a loved one was a Holocaust survivor, Peter may have been brought into Nazism by history books or his friends. After all, as much as [[{{Hypocrite}} we like to think Hitler was the creator of Nazism, the true culprit is the very racist, homophobic, and anti-Christian USA, so there wouldn’t be any shortage of inspiration.]]
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** Also, even if a loved one was a Holocaust survivor, Peter may have been brought into Nazism by history books or his friends. After all, as much as [[{{Hypocrite}} we like to think Hitler was the creator of Nazism, the true culprit is the nationalism and racial elitism, Hitler was very much inspired by the USA and it’s racist, homophobic, homophobic and anti-Christian USA, eugenic past, so there wouldn’t be any shortage of inspiration.inspiration for Peter.]]
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** Also, even if a loved one was a Holocaust survivor, Peter may have been brought into Nazism by history books or his friends. After all, as much as [[Hypocrite we like to think Hitler was the creator of Nazism, the true culprit is the very racist, homophobic, and anti-Christian USA, so there wouldn’t be any shortage of inspiration.]]
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** Also, even if a loved one was a Holocaust survivor, Peter may have been brought into Nazism by history books or his friends. After all, as much as [[Hypocrite [[{{Hypocrite}} we like to think Hitler was the creator of Nazism, the true culprit is the very racist, homophobic, and anti-Christian USA, so there wouldn’t be any shortage of inspiration.]]
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* In ''He's Alive,'' how the hell did Peter become a Neo-Nazi when his surrogate-father figure was a Jewish Holocaust Survivor?
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* In ''He's Alive,'' how the hell did Peter become a Neo-Nazi when his surrogate-father figure was a Jewish Holocaust Survivor?Survivor?
** Unfortunately, it’s all too common for people to take an unsavory path, even if they have good parental figures to follow. After all, many school shooters have completely non-violent parents.
** Also, even if a loved one was a Holocaust survivor, Peter may have been brought into Nazism by history books or his friends. After all, as much as [[Hypocrite we like to think Hitler was the creator of Nazism, the true culprit is the very racist, homophobic, and anti-Christian USA, so there wouldn’t be any shortage of inspiration.]]
** Unfortunately, it’s all too common for people to take an unsavory path, even if they have good parental figures to follow. After all, many school shooters have completely non-violent parents.
** Also, even if a loved one was a Holocaust survivor, Peter may have been brought into Nazism by history books or his friends. After all, as much as [[Hypocrite we like to think Hitler was the creator of Nazism, the true culprit is the very racist, homophobic, and anti-Christian USA, so there wouldn’t be any shortage of inspiration.]]
