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* Given that [[CompleteMonster The Founder]] wants to [[spoiler:commit mass genocide by end-running the Tomorrow People's inability to kill]], Jedikiah's relatively ordinary methods of bringing paranormals to heel are positively pedestrian. So, confirmed.

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* Given that [[CompleteMonster The Founder]] Founder wants to [[spoiler:commit mass genocide by end-running the Tomorrow People's inability to kill]], Jedikiah's relatively ordinary methods of bringing paranormals to heel are positively pedestrian. So, confirmed.

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* And now that [[spoiler:Jedikiah has his golden boy back, Cara and Stephen will feel the lack and find that they really do need him to keep things from tilting too far in any one direction. After all, a three-legged stool is a stable one.]]

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* Given that [[CompleteMonster The Founder]] wants to [[spoiler:commit mass genocide by end-running the Tomorrow People's inability to kill]], Jedikiah's relatively ordinary methods of bringing paranormals to heel are positively pedestrian. So, confirmed.


Around the time when The Founder took over Ultra, the exterior establising shots change from being daytime to night-time. Is this a subtle hint that Jedikiah is, for all his numerous acts, relatively "lighter" than the Founder? (Kind of depressing if true, but at least it sets up a kind of EnemyMine situation and is rather nice foreshadowing.)

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Around the time when The Founder took over Ultra, the exterior establising shots change changed from being daytime to night-time. Is this a subtle hint that Jedikiah is, for all his numerous acts, relatively "lighter" than the Founder? (Kind of depressing if true, but at least it sets up a kind of EnemyMine situation and is rather nice foreshadowing.)


Around the time when The Founder took over Ultra, the exterior establising shots change from being daytime to night-time. Is this a subtle hint that Jedikiah is, for all his numerous acts, relatively "lighter" than the Founder? (Kind of depressing if true, but at least it sets up a kind of EnemyMine situation and is rather nice foreshadowing.

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Around the time when The Founder took over Ultra, the exterior establising shots change from being daytime to night-time. Is this a subtle hint that Jedikiah is, for all his numerous acts, relatively "lighter" than the Founder? (Kind of depressing if true, but at least it sets up a kind of EnemyMine situation and is rather nice foreshadowing.)

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Around the time when The Founder took over Ultra, the exterior establising shots change from being daytime to night-time. Is this a subtle hint that Jedikiah is, for all his numerous acts, relatively "lighter" than the Founder? (Kind of depressing if true, but at least it sets up a kind of EnemyMine situation and is rather nice foreshadowing.

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* It seems like Stephen is at least backtracking somewhat, indicating that until both Jedikiah and the Founder can be neutralized, it makes some sense to at least not look like a threat.

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* Really, there's no justifiable reason. Stephen, John, Cara and Jedikiah himself all have to grab the IdiotBall extra-hard to drive the IdiotPlot of "Smoke and Mirrors".

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* Cara even explicitly calls this out to John when she points out things that both men have done.


Why should Stephen and John believe either of them? Both men have proven themselves more than willing to commit atrocities in the name of their respective visions for how the world should turn out and for what place Homo Superiors should have within it. While Stephen may still be a teenager with some deference to older-person authority, John has long since been an adult himself and should have had no compunction about punching Jedikiah's ''and'' The Founder's tickets in "Endgame".

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Why should Stephen and John believe either of them? Both men have proven themselves more than willing to commit atrocities in the name of their respective visions for how the world should turn out and for what place Homo Superiors should have within it. While Stephen may still be a teenager with some deference to older-person authority, John has long since been an adult himself and should have had no compunction about punching Jedikiah's ''and'' The Founder's tickets in "Endgame"."Endgame".
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Why should Stephen and John believe either of them? Both men have proven themselves more than willing to commit atrocities in the name of their respective visions for how the world should turn out and for what place Homo Superiors should have within it. While Stephen may still be a teenager with some deference to older-person authority, John has long since been an adult himself and should have had no compunction about punching Jedikiah's ''and'' The Founder's tickets in "Endgame".

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** By that point in the series, it was being hinted that John's caution was growing out of proportion into a paranoid bunker mentality, so focused on survival that the resulting life wasn't worth living. Cara as leader is the flip-side of the coin, so determined to "win" that she's willing to take extreme risks and cross moral lines. Each of them needs the other for balance and neither is really suited to be leader alone.

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* Admittedly I'm only on All Tomorrow's Parties, but why is John consistently portrayed as the bad guy because he's strict with the other HS? He's busting his ass keeping them alive, and Cara undermines him completely in this episode, then gets huffy when he's understandably a bit annoyed over it. He's even proven right that the party was a bad idea, but Cara's perfectly happy to sidestep that entirely to yell at him for keeping secrets, as if he asked to be experimented on! (Unless he did, as like I said I'm not very far in)

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* Threatening Jedikiah with it is one thing but watching Cara herself become the kind of person who launches assassination attempts is something else. The strain of being the leader is obviously changing her and not for the better. It's something that John, Stephen and even Russell are noticing and commenting on, in their own ways.


* The show's writers are clearly not consistent in characterizing these two, but in-verse there shouldn't be any reason for John to question Cara's goal, even if her methods aren't his.

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* The show's writers are clearly not consistent in characterizing these two, but in-verse there shouldn't be any reason for John to question Cara's goal, even if her methods aren't his.his.
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