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** First of all, is there any evidence that the Earth Kingdom was a "a loose conglomeration of allied states" when the Queen was still alive? It becomes something like that when the Kingdom falls after the Queen's death, and Kuvira reunites it, but there's nothing to suggest the Queen didn't rule the whole Kingdom with a firm hand. Secondly, the 100 year war didn't "just" end, it ended ''70 years'' ago. Most Earth Kingdom citizens wouldn't even have a living memory of it. Thirdly, the Queen's propaganda machine wouldn't need to reveal that the Earth Kingdom airbenders were kidnapped by her; all she would have to say is that Team Avatar and Chief Beifong were the ones who kidnapped a bunch of Earth Kingdom citizens. If they claim otherwise, the Queen could say they're simply lying to justify the kidnapping. Fourthly, even if the Queen isn't ready to go to war against the United Republic, that doesn't explain why she does ''nothing''. Why doesn't she contact President Raiko and explain what Chief Beifong did? Even if the Chief felt she was justified in her actions, using a Republic City airship for a violent attack against another nation is gross misuse of her authority, and Raiko should have no other alternative than to discharge her.
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** First of all, is there any evidence that the Earth Kingdom was a "a loose conglomeration of allied states" when the Queen was still alive? It becomes something like that when the Kingdom falls after the Queen's death, and Kuvira reunites it, but there's nothing to suggest the Queen didn't rule the whole Kingdom with a firm hand. Secondly, the 100 year war didn't "just" end, it ended ''70 years'' ago. Most Earth Kingdom citizens wouldn't even have a living memory of it. Thirdly, the Queen's propaganda machine wouldn't need to reveal that the Earth Kingdom airbenders were kidnapped by her; all she would have to say is that Team Avatar and Chief Beifong were the ones who kidnapped a bunch of Earth Kingdom citizens. If they claim otherwise, the Queen could say they're simply lying to justify the kidnapping. Fourthly, even if the Queen isn't ready to go to war against the United Republic, that doesn't explain why she does ''nothing''. Why doesn't she contact President Raiko and explain what Chief Beifong did? Even if the Chief felt she she- was justified in her actions, using a Republic City airship for a violent attack against another nation is gross misuse of her authority, and Raiko should have no other alternative than to discharge her.
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* Much like the the Headscracther above, I also question why the council is set up the way it is. But for me I have to wonder why the earthbenders only have one representative? It is understandable why fire and air only have one. (Both have small populations.) And it is also understandable why the water tribes have two representatives. They are two nations and thus they need representatives from each nation. But the Earth Kingdom is a massive country with many different regions and probably the largest population out of all the nations. Plus, they even have a population of water benders (the swamp folks) and firebenders (those who came during the war and never left). You'd think they'd at least have two representatives like the water tribes?
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** The government was set up by a king who had been lied to for years, a teenager who had just become king of another country, two children of a Water Tribe chief, a wealthy Earth Kingdom girl, and a teenage Avatar, and was meant to rule a small collection of inter-ethnic former colonies. The UNR isn't supposed to be something like the UN, more like a smaller version of the US. So it makes sense for them to decide on five leaders for the new country, representing each ethnic group (a small-scale version of the US Senate: each of the 13 former colonies got 2 senators). As far as the UNR goes, its geography likely consists of a large capital city and various small settlements elsewhere; that appears to be the case for the Northern Water Tribe now. So it would make sense for a group like that to make the UNR's government the way it is. Of course they wouldn't care if benders were on the council or not; several members of the UNR founding group plus those closest to them were non-benders. What was more important was that every nation got a say. As for foreigners being voted onto the council by faraway tribes... unlikely, actually. Sokka was probably the only foreigner on the original council, and he had probably lived in Republic City for a while by that point (having founded it and all). Tarrlok was probably the only foreigner in LoK, having been born in the NWT and coming to Republic City as an adult. Tenzin had probably been born and raised in Republic City, and his siblings and mother all left later while he stayed and later joined the Council to represent the tiny new Air group.
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** The government was set up by a king who had been lied to for years, a teenager who had just become king of another country, two children of a Water Tribe chief, a wealthy Earth Kingdom girl, and a teenage Avatar, and was meant to rule a small collection of inter-ethnic former colonies. The UNR isn't supposed to be something like the UN, more like a smaller version of the US. So it makes sense for them to decide on five leaders for the new country, representing each ethnic group (a small-scale version of the US Senate: each of the 13 former colonies got 2 senators). As far as the UNR goes, its geography likely consists of a large capital city and various small settlements elsewhere; that appears to be the case for the Northern Water Tribe now. So it would make sense for a group like that to make the UNR's government the way it is. Of course they wouldn't care if benders were on the council or not; several members of the UNR founding group plus those closest to them were non-benders. What was more important was that every nation got a say. As for foreigners being voted onto the council by faraway tribes... unlikely, actually. Sokka was probably the only foreigner on the original council, and he had probably lived in Republic City for a while by that point (having founded it and all). Tarrlok was probably the only foreigner in LoK, [=LoK=], having been born in the NWT and coming to Republic City as an adult. Tenzin had probably been born and raised in Republic City, and his siblings and mother all left later while he stayed and later joined the Council to represent the tiny new Air group.
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** Because her father and uncle are in charge of the Southern and Northern tribes. That's a ''serious'' conflict of interest.
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** No one complained about Zuko taking the throne after all the damage the previous three Fire Lords had caused. And Wu may've been a bit eccentric, but he does prove time and again that he has what it takes to be a competent leader as the series goes on. Apart from being a bit more pampered, he's not all that different from the Earth King from the original series, who probably did a fine job of ruling once Long Feng's corruption was ratted out.
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** Also, Bumi said she had to the right to ''conscript'' her subjects, not forcibly take them away from their families and imprison them. If she'd had the airbenders sent to a military school or something for training, then she would've had a leg to stand on.
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** The judge tells Korra that he acquitted her mother specifically so that Unalaq had a chance of keeping her on his side, not just to make the proceedings seem more fair. Also, her mother didn't have as much of a connection to Unalaq as her husband (who could easily be portrayed as jealous of his brother's success) and the other rebels (who actually kidnapped him).
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** Most likely, Hou-Ting didn't want to reveal that she was assembling an air bender force as part of her army to the rest of the world, especially the United Republic, which she may have been planning to use those same airbenders on. Her initial plan might have probably been to find the Avatar, her accomplices, and the airbenders back before word got out to Republic City. A move likely motivated by the fact that she likely knew of the Avatar's seeming exile from the latter. Any more overt action against the United Republic was still likely being taken into consideration, especially since any action against the latter would have likely drawn in the Fire Nation as well (you don't send the heir to the throne to be a general in another nation's army unless you have very, very close ties to them). In fact, building an airbender corps was likely a move designed to help give them an edge in any conflict with a combined United Republic and Fire Nation force.
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** Now, I could easily be wrong about this, having forgotten an important detail of some conversation from ''A:TLA'', but I don't think Hakoda ever actually ''was'' chief of the southern tribe. He was the leader of their warriors, yes, and a highly respected member of the village, but do they ever actually call him "Chief"? It seems likely to me that the Northern Water Tribe was always technically in charge of the southerners, but after the south was devastated by the Fire Nation during the war, they lost contact with each other and the southern tribe had to pretty much continue without any official chief.
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*** First of all, is there any evidence that the Earth Kingdom was a "a loose conglomeration of allied states" when the Queen was still alive? It becomes something like that when the Kingdom falls after the Queen's death, and Kuvira reunites it, but there's nothing to suggest the Queen didn't rule the whole Kingdom with a firm hand. Secondly, the 100 year war didn't "just" end, it ended ''70 years'' ago. Most Earth Kingdom citizens wouldn't even have a living memory of it. Thirdly, the Queen's propaganda machine wouldn't need to reveal that the Earth Kingdom airbenders were kidnapped by her; all she would have to say is that Team Avatar and Chief Beifong were the ones who kidnapped a bunch of Earth Kingdom citizens. If they claim otherwise, the Queen could say they're simply lying to justify the kidnapping. Fourthly, even if the Queen isn't ready to go to war against the United Republic, that doesn't explain why she does ''nothing''. Why doesn't she contact President Raiko and explain what Chief Beifong did? Even if the Chief felt she was justified in her actions, using a Republic City airship for a violent attack against another nation is gross misuse of her authority, and Raiko should have no other alternative than to discharge her.
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*** First of all, is there any evidence that the Earth Kingdom was a "a loose conglomeration of allied states" when the Queen was still alive? It becomes something like that when the Kingdom falls after the Queen's death, and Kuvira reunites it, but there's nothing to suggest the Queen didn't rule the whole Kingdom with a firm hand. Secondly, the 100 year war didn't "just" end, it ended ''70 years'' ago. Most Earth Kingdom citizens wouldn't even have a living memory of it. Thirdly, the Queen's propaganda machine wouldn't need to reveal that the Earth Kingdom airbenders were kidnapped by her; all she would have to say is that Team Avatar and Chief Beifong were the ones who kidnapped a bunch of Earth Kingdom citizens. If they claim otherwise, the Queen could say they're simply lying to justify the kidnapping. Fourthly, even if the Queen isn't ready to go to war against the United Republic, that doesn't explain why she does '''nothing''. Why doesn't she contact President Raiko and explain what Chief Beifong did? Even if the Chief felt she was justified in her actions, using a Republic City airship for a violent attack against another nation is gross misuse of her authority, and Raiko should have no other alternative than to discharge her.
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*** First of all, is there any evidence that the Earth Kingdom was a "a loose conglomeration of allied states" when the Queen was still alive? It becomes something like that when the Kingdom falls after the Queen's death, and Kuvira reunites it, but there's nothing to suggest the Queen didn't rule the whole Kingdom with a firm hand. Secondly, the 100 year war didn't "just" end, it ended ''70 years'' ago. Most Earth Kingdom citizens wouldn't even have a living memory of it. Thirdly, the Queen's propaganda machine wouldn't need to reveal that the Earth Kingdom airbenders were kidnapped by her; all she would have to say is that Team Avatar and Chief Beifong were the ones who kidnapped a bunch of Earth Kingdom citizens. If they claim otherwise, the Queen could say they're simply lying to justify the kidnapping. Fourthly, even if the Queen isn't ready to go to war against the United Republic, that doesn't explain why she does '''nothing''.''nothing''. Why doesn't she contact President Raiko and explain what Chief Beifong did? Even if the Chief felt she was justified in her actions, using a Republic City airship for a violent attack against another nation is gross misuse of her authority, and Raiko should have no other alternative than to discharge her.
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*** First of all, is there any evidence that the Earth Kingdom was a "a loose conglomeration of allied states" when the Queen was still alive? It becomes something like that when the Kingdom falls after the Queen's death, and Kuvira reunites it, but there's nothing to suggest the Queen didn't rule the whole Kingdom with a firm hand. Secondly, the 100 year didn't "just" end, it ended ''70 years'' earlier. Most Earth Kingdom citizens wouldn't even have a living memory of it. Thirdly, the Queen's propaganda machine wouldn't need to reveal that the Earth Kingdom airbenders were kidnapped by her; all she would have to say is that Team Avatar and Chief Beifong were the ones who kidnapped a bunch of Earth Kingdom citizens. If they claim otherwise, the Queen could say they're simply lying to justify the kidnapping. Fourthly, even if the Queen isn't ready to go to war against the United Republic, that doesn't explain why she does '''nothing''. Why doesn't she contact President Raiko and explain what Chief Beifong did? Even if the Chief felt she was justified in her actions, using a Republic City airship for a violent attack against another nation is gross misuse of her authority, and Raiko should have no other alternative than to discharge her.
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*** First of all, is there any evidence that the Earth Kingdom was a "a loose conglomeration of allied states" when the Queen was still alive? It becomes something like that when the Kingdom falls after the Queen's death, and Kuvira reunites it, but there's nothing to suggest the Queen didn't rule the whole Kingdom with a firm hand. Secondly, the 100 year didn't "just" end, it ended ''70 years'' earlier. Most Earth Kingdom citizens wouldn't even have a living memory of it. Thirdly, the Queen's propaganda machine wouldn't need to reveal that the Earth Kingdom airbenders were kidnapped by her; all she would have to say is that Team Avatar and Chief Beifong were the ones who kidnapped a bunch of Earth Kingdom citizens. If they claim otherwise, the Queen could say they're simply lying to justify the kidnapping. Fourthly, even if the Queen isn't ready to go to war against the United Republic, that doesn't explain why she does '''nothing''. Why doesn't she contact President Raiko and explain what Chief Beifong did? Even if the Chief felt she was justified in her actions, using a Republic City airship for a violent attack against another nation is gross misuse of her authority, and Raiko should have no other alternative than to discharge her.
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*** That's not a good comparison, though: in the Avatar world the Earth Kingdom is much bigger and stronger than the United Republic, so the latter couldn't afford to defy the former, if the Queen really put her foot down. And President Raiko has already shown that he's willing to compromise in moral questions in order to avoid conflict; he did so with the Northern Water Tribe during the first half of season 2, and the [=NWT=] is hardly as powerful as the Earth Kingdom is. So it seems quite unlikely he would've defended an unauthorized and illegal attack committed by the chief of police (alongside the Avatar and her team, whom Raiko doesn't think highly of because of the whole "spirits invading Republic City" thing), if it enraged their powerful neighbour state.
*** The Earth Kingdom is more of a loose conglomeration of allied states than a singular entity under the Earth Queen's rule. The United Republic's army includes people and weapons from every other nature, including Earth. And whether or not Raiko's willing to risk it isn't the question so much as is the Earth Queen willing to risk it. Her people just came off of a 100 years of war that they lost, probably are not eager to start another one, and going to war over the right to kidnap your own citizens is not the kind of thing that's going to rally the people around you. Going to war would be extremely risky for the Earth Queen.
*** The Earth Kingdom is more of a loose conglomeration of allied states than a singular entity under the Earth Queen's rule. The United Republic's army includes people and weapons from every other nature, including Earth. And whether or not Raiko's willing to risk it isn't the question so much as is the Earth Queen willing to risk it. Her people just came off of a 100 years of war that they lost, probably are not eager to start another one, and going to war over the right to kidnap your own citizens is not the kind of thing that's going to rally the people around you. Going to war would be extremely risky for the Earth Queen.
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