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** Remember that we're dealing with the UnreliableNarrator trope in full force for this story. Pretty much anything that happens before the final showdown in Part Five is likely embellished somehow.
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** It's an optional sidequest.
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* Maybe it's because I'm not a huge Borderlands player, but if you choose to [[spoiler:trade hats in chapter 4 while on the way to Helios]], Fiona turns off both their helmets and nonchalantly trades hats. How in God's name did they survive the vacuum of space?! She died when she opened the helmets, end of story!
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* Maybe it's because I'm not a huge Borderlands player, but if you choose to [[spoiler:trade hats in chapter 4 while on the way to Helios]], Fiona turns off both their helmets and nonchalantly trades hats. How in God's name did they survive the vacuum of space?! She died when she opened the helmets, end of story!story!
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* Maybe it's because I'm not a huge Borderlands player, but if you choose to [[spoiler:trade hats in chapter 4 while on the way to Helios]], Fiona turns off both their helmets and nonchalantly trades hats. How in God's name did they survive the vacuum of space?! She died when she opened the helmets, end of story!
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** Probably just a case of SchrodingersGun.
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** There's a line just after the core malfunctions that says the thrusters have been activated. Either it was a glitch caused by everything going wrong or the station was intentionally designed to crash into Pandora in the event that it sabotaged which would fit with how big a dick Jack is.
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*Helios ends up crashing into Pandora after its propulsion is disabled by Rhys. Barring the fact that a station as colossal as Helios has to have more than one power core to shut down (like seriously, that station is as almost as big as Elpis, and has cities inside it. Its ''enormous'') and it ends up crash landing on Pandora. Why didn't it crash into Elpis? It's far closer to the moon; in fact looking at it from Pandora shows that it basically blocks the view of the moon and it looks to be far more distant from Pandora. So shouldn't it pull towards Elpis instead?
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*Helios ends up crashing into Pandora after its propulsion is disabled by Rhys. Barring the fact that a station as colossal as Helios has to have more than one power core to shut down (like seriously, that station is as almost as big as Elpis, and has cities inside it. Its ''enormous'') and it ends up crash landing on Pandora. Why didn't it crash into Elpis? It's far closer to the moon; in fact looking at it from Pandora shows that it basically blocks the view of the moon and it looks to be far more distant from Pandora. So shouldn't it pull towards Elpis instead?
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* [[spoiler:If you warn Felix about the case and try to recruit him for the final boss fight later, it turns out he knew about the bomb, disarmed it, and stashed the money. If that's true, then in playthroughs where you don't warn him, why does he die? He didn't have to be warned about the bomb to realise it was there and disarm it the first time, so I don't buy that he just forgot about it...]]
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* [[spoiler:If you warn Felix about the case and try to recruit him for the final boss fight later, it turns out he knew about the bomb, disarmed it, and stashed the money. If that's true, then in playthroughs where you don't warn him, why does he die? He didn't have to be warned about the bomb to realise it was there and disarm it the first time, so I don't buy that he just forgot about it...]]
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* You can kill him and his Hodunk clan in Borderlands 2, so how is he alive in Tale of the Borderlands?
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** [[spoiler:If memory serves, that formation was caused from a chunk of a mountain being blown through from impact. Once they were in the general area, Rhys guessed trajectory of where something might have fallen from Helios through that mountain and to the ground]].
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** They didn't, they came in behind after they opened the facility. Which is why they are behind them.
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** Pandoran toilets sure. Most likely not Helios toilets.
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** Atlas procedure must be assigned as such to review logs first before all else. He was expecting people from Atlas to find him.
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* Presumably, the retinal scanner only required an eye with clearance-not necessarily his own. He never expected a group of burgeoning Vault Hunters to find the scanner, then decide to use his eye to pass it. Likewise, he didn't anticipate that whoever found him would not know he was in a stasis pod.
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*Two thing I think we can gather, just from the main games, is that 99.994% of everyone in the Borderlands universe is psychotic and morally challenged, and that forethought and commonsense tends to take a nose dive once you get around Pandora.
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* Why in heaven would General Pollux have made his message accessible only by his retinal scan? That was basically asking someone to cut his eyes out like Fiona did.
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* Why in heaven would General Pollux have made his message accessible only by his retinal scan? That was basically asking someone to cut his eyes out like Fiona did.
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*** Because the janitors are lying about how much, exactly, they pick up from the garbage. That's pretty explicable to me.
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*** Because the janitors are lying about how much, exactly, they pick up from the garbage. That's pretty explicable to me.
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** Actually, an echo eye item description thing claims that the amount of valuable trash is, for some reason, not actually helping janitors. Doesn't say how or why.
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** Which version of the tale is this? In the "Rhys goes to Hollow Point" version it's fairly clear that Vasquez, August, and the mercs came in through the door that the party opened.
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** I don't think Vasquez thought that far, all he cared about was foiling Rhys. Speaking of which, he probably wanted to get back at Vasquez in a more direct fashion than "picking through the garbage." And besides, imagine the abuse he'd cop from the other Hyperion snobs once it got out that he was shunted into janitorial.
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* How the hell did Vasquez and August with their mercs get inside the building before the party?! Rhys had to go through a bunch of busywork to get the place to even rise to the surface, yet the bad guys were already inside! When did they get in? And how? The power junctions on the outside had to be found/repaired for the building to even show itself, so the only possible way this could have happened if they fixed the power, got in and then had someone on the outside reset the power junctions and/or hide them for no reason whatsoever!
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* How the hell did Vasquez and August with their mercs get inside the building before the party?! Rhys had to go through a bunch of busywork to get the place to even rise to the surface, yet the bad guys were already inside! When did they get in? And how? The power junctions on the outside had to be found/repaired for the building to even show itself, so the only possible way this could have happened if they fixed the power, got in and then had someone on the outside reset the power junctions and/or hide them for no reason whatsoever!whatsoever!
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* Fiona surmises that it was Athena who killed the Crimson Lances inside the building. The question is: when? The bodies look completely fresh and the blood on the floor is apparently wet enough to make splashing noises when Vaughn steps into it... yet the building was not only abandoned for years, Athena also wasn't anywhere in the vicinity to kill those guys in a timeframe where their bodies and blood would be still fresh.
* How the hell did Vasquez and August with their mercs get inside the building before the party?! Rhys had to go through a bunch of busywork to get the place to even rise to the surface, yet the bad guys were already inside! When did they get in? And how? The power junctions on the outside had to be found/repaired for the building to even show itself, so the only possible way this could have happened if they fixed the power, got in and then had someone on the outside reset the power junctions and/or hide them for no reason whatsoever!
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* Is it actually possible for Sasha's HeroicSacrifice to stick? This very wiki says it's possible, but I have yet to see anyone describe it anywhere else, or see a video of Sasha dying for real. I don't think it's even possible to lose Felix's gift for Sasha unless I missed something, so I am just confused.
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* Is it actually possible for Sasha's HeroicSacrifice to stick? This very wiki says it's possible, but I have yet to see anyone describe it anywhere else, or see a video of Sasha dying for real. I don't think it's even possible to lose Felix's gift for Sasha unless I missed something, so I am just confused.confused.
* So...what ''did'' exactly happen, regarding Athena, in the 'Rhys and Vaughn go to Hollow Point' timeline? The Stranger says that Loader Bots can't grab Vault Hunters and hurl them like it was nothing. [[spoiler: And since the Stranger ''is'' Loader Bot, then we can be pretty certain that Fiona was lying about that.]] Did they actually escape via Grenade, like in the other version, or did Athena just pull back when Loader Bot showed up?
* So...what ''did'' exactly happen, regarding Athena, in the 'Rhys and Vaughn go to Hollow Point' timeline? The Stranger says that Loader Bots can't grab Vault Hunters and hurl them like it was nothing. [[spoiler: And since the Stranger ''is'' Loader Bot, then we can be pretty certain that Fiona was lying about that.]] Did they actually escape via Grenade, like in the other version, or did Athena just pull back when Loader Bot showed up?
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