History Headscratchers / SupermanBatmanApocalypse

** Later issues of ''ComicBook/{{Supergirl}}'' indicate that Darkseid had used some modified form of Black Kryptonite. Lex tried to replicate the incident and...it didn't exactly work out the way he planned.
*** For those of you who don't know, what happened was basically the Clark vs Superman scene from ''Film/SupermanIII''.

* Batmans...er, BatmanGambit...versus {{ComicBook/Darkseid}}, while just about plausible, was pretty damn stupid of him. He threatened to blow up Apokolips, and if Darkseid had been thinking a little more clearly he should have realised that a) Batman probably wouldn't do it (he might not known that Batman can't bring himself to kill [[ComicBook/TheJoker an evil mass murdering]] MonsterClown, let alone destroy an entire populated super-planet, but he should realize that he wouldn't want to kill both Superman and Supergirl along with it, which is what would happen), and b) that he had several options to deal with it. I mean, why couldn't Darkseid have just went to the room where all the bombs were and, say, vaporised them with his Omega Beams, or even better opened a Boom Tube and sent them to another planet (say, [[RevengeByProxy Earth]]- and if New Genesis complains, point out that an Earthling set the bombs, or just pick some random place to avoid the diplomatic hassle). It works insofar as Darkseid arguably couldn't take the chance and seemingly didn't know that much about Batman, but that still seems to stretch it a bit. Not to mention Batman was lucky that Darkseid chose to try and kill Superman (by himself) for revenge for this outcome- again, Darkseid could and probably should have done a lot worse to Batman and possibly Earth itself if he wanted retribution, and Kara and Superman probably wouldn't have been worth that price.
** A few major flaws here. The first is that Batman might very well have been willing to do it. Apokolips is filled with the most evil beings pretty much in existance and them adding a Kryptonian to their ranks is a big deal. It's damn hard to stop a Kryptonian, especially one backed by an army that doesn't have a certain alergy. There is no way of knowing how far away the bomb room is so Darksied may not have had the option to go there and move the bombs and that's if their still physically in the room. It's implied that the bombs have somehow burrowed into the planet.

*** Apologies. It is not implied they have burrowed. I simply assumed that was a pre-req to making a fire pit. However unless you think Batman's BatmanGambit was so total that he actually didn't hack the hell spores, he just got the code and bluffed he was clearly risking genocide and all those lives because Darkseid could have killed him. Hell as strong as Darksied is he could have accidently killed someone as weak as Batman. Simply knocking him THROUGH a wall should have rendered him unconscous I know he's the Goddamn Batman but we've seen him knocked out by weaker blows from weaker opponents. Even Darkseid acknowledges that nobody else would have the unmitigated balls to take out a planet to acheive his goals.

** The point was to teach her discipline. Besides, it's not very likely that that they had her fighting live opponents at first, if she couldn't control her strength. The film explicitly mentions that Kara was training for months.

*** Superman is a lot of thing but a teacher he ain't, Kara learning to use weapon insted of her eyebeams or city shattering fist when things get tough is way better control than fry people with first degree burn.

* The name. I know WB were disapointed in the earnings of ''Wonder Woman'', but do they really think that people wouldn't buy it just because it ''features'' Wondy and Kara, so much that they have to hide that from the cover and ads? I know that some people [[GirlShowGhetto are scared they'll get cooties if they watch a film about a female superhero,]] but its still got Superman and Batman, and the inclusion of girls isn't enough to scare away small boys from picking it up. The name itself doesn't make any sense at all.

** It is a well-known fact that kryptonians could [[WhenAllYouHaveIsAHammer punch anything into submission]]. In Justice League Supergirl [[UptoEleven managed to punch a combined blast of magic, lightning and fire backwards]], with very similar sounds and animation.

** This troper thought it was implied that he was either dead or had moved on in his life and that it was a well known fact. Rarely do you see super hero costumes on display for active heroes.
** He certainly wasn't dead in the comic book this was based on (which, IIRC, showed his costume up in the hero stuff closet as well). His day job is daredevil escape artist, so it is entirely possible he was simply on tour or otherwise out of town performing when the trinity came knocking.

** Its possible he could of used a machine of some sort...who knows, I guess it's not that important, considering he was blackmailed by Batman obviously to let her go-which would entail -CHANGE HER BACK-

** Later issues of ''Comicbook/{{Supergirl}}'' indicate that Darkseid had used some modified form of Black Kryptonite. Lex tried to replicate the incident and...it didn't exactly work out the way he planned.

* Krypto. Just Krypto I know that like Batmite he's part of the legacy and there's no changing it but Superman seriously has a dog wearing a cape? For reals?
** I'll admit, it was silly, specially considering the tone both this movie and the [[WesternAnimation/SupermanBatmanPublicEnemies previous one]] had set up. But maybe they just wanted to be true to the comic book character? Maybe Superman truly ''is'' the corny Big Blue Boy Scout. Or maybe he puts it on his beloved dog Krypto, ''[[SuperDickery knowing]]'' [[SuperDickery it makes the dog look ridiculous]]...[[WildMassGuessing or maybe-like Superman himself-Krypto has a]] SecretIdentity during the day posing as [[SecretIdentity Clark Kent's]] ordinary earthly dog, but to keep his secret unknown to the public to protect his identity-as well as Superman's...[[PaperThinDisguise is too]] [[ClarkKenting put on the cape when helping Superman, because after all]], Clark Kent and Superman may look the same-but Superman doesn't wear glasses-Clark does-they can't be the same person. So by that logic-Krypto the Super Dog and Clark's dog CAN'T be the same dog! After all-Superman's pet sidekick Krypto-wears a cape just like him! Clark Kent's dog doesn't!....[[SarcasmMode I bet he wears glasses too when going on walks with Clark.]]
** Hey, if Sups wants to dress up his pet, who are we to deny him that pleasure?

** That's the thing about comics: no matter how much the heroes have all been through at each other's sides, at the beginning of every new story ark they're suddenly at each other's throats.

* IJBM that I seem to be the only one who didn't like Summer Glau as Supergirl. She's a lovely girl and a talented one at that, but she really didn't fill the part as well as Creator/NicholleTom. Her voice just fell flat in so many scenes and I never felt invested in her for a moment during the film.
** As its been a few years since I've seen a JLU episode with Supergirl in it, Glau didn't bother me. But what does bother me is the lack of Michael Ironside as Darkseid. Much more threatening.
** Summer Glau didn't bother me either, while I loved the voice actress of Supergirl for the DCAU...Summer Glau did a pretty good job. Heck at some points, the way she said a few of her lines, did remind me of Nicholle Tom. Besides, this version of Supergirl is a little bit different from her DCAU counterpart....
*** As we saw in WesternAnimation/SupermanTheAnimatedSeries, Kara LOVED having Super powers, she JUMPED at the chance to be a Super hero, she found life on the farm boring, and was someone who rather go live in the City to fight crime, see new sights, and have adventures. (See the episodes "Little Lost Girl" (2 parter), "Unity", and the Batman/Superman episode crossover "Girls Night Out".)
*** But, in this movie, Kara is afraid of her powers, Kara doesn't want to fight, she didn't want to be a super hero, she just wanted to have a normal ordinary life as a girl (something DCAU Kara always hated, that [[Franchise/{{Superman}} Clark]] told her she should be), and further more-in the movie Kara expressed that she'd probably love staying on the farm (again, DCAU Kara-as much as she loved Ma and Pa Kent, and she did feel Smallville was home...she found it suffocating and boring-she wanted adventure, and she felt she wasn't gonna get that ever living on the farm as an "ordinary girl").
** So to further conclude to my point, I think Nicholle Tom and Summer Glau are great Supergirls! They each did their animated version-interpretation, of Kara ''very'' well. Summer Glau fit that IJustWantToBeNormal kind of girl we see in the movie, where as Nichole Tom fits the whole adventure-seeking girl who JumpedAtTheCall. And both still keep that fun, loveable, "just want to have fun" kinda girl that Supergirl has been seen as. And when the chips are down, both have displayed the true {{Determinator}} that Supergirl is. Though I do have to agree that lack of Michael Ironside was a bit upsetting. I mean after hearing Clancy Brown reprise his role in the first movie, and other previous DCAU characters (as well as [[NightmareFuel freaking Ed Asner as Granny Goodness]]!) No Michael Ironside as Darkseid WAS a let down, that one bugged me more. I mean the guy who did Darkseid in this movie was good, but nowhere NEAR as intimidating, commanding, scary, threatening, or voice filled with such compelling display of RAW POWER as Michael Ironside's Darkseid. That kinda bugged me...a lot.
** Have to agree with the above troper, nothing against Andre Braugher, I'm sure he is a really skilled and talented actor. But he was just not a threatening or intimidating Darkseid.

* Batmans...er, BatmanGambit...versus {{ComicBook/Darkseid}}, while just about plausible, was pretty damn stupid of him. He threatened to blow up Apokolips, and if Darkseid had been thinking a little more clearly he should have realised that a) Batman probably wouldn't do it (he might not known that Batman can't bring himself to kill [[SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker an evil mass murdering]] MonsterClown, let alone destroy an entire populated super-planet, but he should realize that he wouldn't want to kill both Superman and Supergirl along with it, which is what would happen), and b) that he had several options to deal with it. I mean, why couldn't Darkseid have just went to the room where all the bombs were and, say, vaporised them with his Omega Beams, or even better opened a Boom Tube and sent them to another planet (say, [[RevengeByProxy Earth]]- and if New Genesis complains, point out that an Earthling set the bombs, or just pick some random place to avoid the diplomatic hassle). It works insofar as Darkseid arguably couldn't take the chance and seemingly didn't know that much about Batman, but that still seems to stretch it a bit. Not to mention Batman was lucky that Darkseid chose to try and kill Superman (by himself) for revenge for this outcome- again, Darkseid could and probably should have done a lot worse to Batman and possibly Earth itself if he wanted retribution, and Kara and Superman probably wouldn't have been worth that price.

*** Its not implied that they have burrowed anywhere- Batman specifically states they were in the armoury, and he can hardly disarm them if they are halfway to the planets core (not to mention there were 500 of them, in a nearby room- someone would have felt it). Darkseid has Boom Tubes and (for the comic version) can teleport at will, plus he could always radio an underling. Supergirl in the ranks is a big deal but tough as Kryptonians are, they aren't that much tougher than the average New God and she was only going to be part of his honour guard; Supergirl is not a game changer and Darkseid himself is a far more powerful threat anyway (nor can they use her against Earth without breaking the treaty with New Genesis), and Earth's heroes have handled far worse. And no, Batman would ''never'' blow up an entire world no matter how evil its populace (and there are plenty of innocent slaves on it anyway) and he certainly wouldn't kill Supergirl ''and'' Superman in the process, especially since the objective was to save the former. Not to mention blowing up Apokolips might rain meteoring death down on nearby New Genesis. Again if he can't even kill SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker, he's not commiting global genocide. It's just about believable since Darkseid presumably doesn't know Batman that well, but there were so many things that could have gone wrong with that plan its not even funny.

*** Ep, this particular blunder is because the movie slashed a TON of dialogue during the Batman/Darkseid back and forth. In the original rendition, Batman doesn't threaten; he assures Darkseid that he WILL blow up apokolips if darkseid doesn't return Supergirl and AGREES to not twist the deal, attacking the Earth and a lot of other stuff. Darkseid initially thinks it's a bluff; ponders for a while and then ALMOST kills Batman and lets them go; not before chastising himself for not destroying/conquering the earth before. See, even Batman is willing to go past the No Kill rule regarding Darkseid, as he is a cosmic evil. Darkseid even retorts aloud that "if the amazon or the kryptonian had issued the threat, he would have ignored it, but Bruce is a human, and humans are willing to kill themselves and their world to claim a victory; something Darkseid wouldn't ever do" (paraphrasing a bit). And Batman was wearing a combination of Apokolips armor and a motherbox in the comics, so it was a bit more "believable" for him to survive. He still gets almost punched to death.

* IJBM that I seem to be the only one who didn't like Summer Glau as Supergirl. She's a lovely girl and a talented one at that, but she really didn't fill the part as well as Nicholle Tom. Her voice just fell flat in so many scenes and I never felt invested in her for a moment during the film.

** So she was tortured and drugged back to normal? Granted I've never made someone into a homocidal maniac and then back into a heroic innocent girl but I'm thinking this is a massive handwave.

*** Darkseid was losing his temper and he probably would have felt stupid killing Batman while beating him into submission. As for the bluff last time Darkseid used a kryptonian as enforcer things didn't go so well for Earth so yes Batman is ready to low up the planet if it means that it never happens. Batman willfully let hundreds of people die because he refused to use lethal force if he has a choice (if he doesn't Batman will kill as his contingency plan of setting Martian Manhunter on fire shows) so a whole planet of slaves too far gone won't matter if he can stop Darkseid from taking over Earth.

*** Superman had decades to practice control though

*** As we saw in WesternAnimation/SupermanTheAnimatedSeries, Kara LOVED having Super powers, she JUMPED at the chance to be a Super hero, she found life on the farm boring, and was someone who rather go live in the City to fight crime, see new sights, and have adventures. (See the episodes "Little Lost Girl" (2 parter), "Unity", and the [[GirlsNightOut Batman/Superman episode crossover "Girls Night Out"]].)

** Later issues of ''Supergirl'' indicate that Darkseid had used some modified form of Black Kryptonite. Lex tried to replicate the incident and...it didn't exactly work out the way he planned.

** Summer Glau didn't bother me either, while I loved the voice actress of SuperGirl for the DCAU...Summer Glau did a pretty good job. Heck at some points, the way she said a few of her lines, did remind me of Nicholle Tom. Besides, this version of Supergirl is [[CaptainObvious a little bit different]] from her DCAU counterpart....

*** Ep, this particular blunder is because the movie slashed a TON of dialogue during the Batman/Darkseid back and forth. In the original rendition, Batman doesn't threaten; he assures Darkseid that he WILL blow up apokolips if darkseid doesn't return supergirl and AGREES to not twist the deal, attacking the Earth and a lot of other stuff. Darkseid initially thinks it's a bluff; ponders for a while and then ALMOST kills Batman and lets them go; not before chastising himself for not destroying/conquering the earth before. See, even Batman is willing to go past the No Kill rule regarding Darkseid, as he is a cosmic evil. Darkseid even retorts aloud that "if the amazon or the kryptonian had issued the threat, he would have ignored it, but Bruce is a human, and humans are willing to kill themselves and their world to claim a victory; something Darkseid wouldn't ever do" (paraphrasing a bit). And Batman was wearing a combination of Apokolips armor and a motherbox in the comics, so it was a bit more "believable" for him to survive. He still gets almost punched to death.

* Batmans...er, BatmanGambit...versus {{Darkseid}}, while just about plausible, was pretty damn stupid of him. He threatened to blow up Apokolips, and if Darkseid had been thinking a little more clearly he should have realised that a) Batman probably wouldn't do it (he might not known that Batman can't bring himself to kill [[SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker an evil mass murdering]] MonsterClown, let alone destroy an entire populated super-planet, but he should realize that he wouldn't want to kill both Superman and Supergirl along with it, which is what would happen), and b) that he had several options to deal with it. I mean, why couldn't Darkseid have just went to the room where all the bombs were and, say, vaporised them with his Omega Beams, or even better opened a Boom Tube and sent them to another planet (say, [[RevengeByProxy Earth]]- and if New Genesis complains, point out that an Earthling set the bombs, or just pick some random place to avoid the diplomatic hassle). It works insofar as Darkseid arguably couldn't take the chance and seemingly didn't know that much about Batman, but that still seems to stretch it a bit. Not to mention Batman was lucky that Darkseid chose to try and kill Superman (by himself) for revenge for this outcome- again, Darkseid could and probably should have done a lot worse to Batman and possibly Earth itself if he wanted retribution, and Kara and Superman probably wouldn't have been worth that price.

** If they didn't know her they certainly knew of her. The interactions at the "kidnap" make it clear that Superman isn't trusting his cousin to some strange woman who attacked him but a trusted ally. At worst they didn't have the kind of personal relationship they normally do. Though I think unless it's been specified that the Big 3 don't know each other it should be assumed that they do. Having never read the comic that scene reeks of cut dialogue to me. Presumably at some point Batman and or Wonder Woman suggested to Superman that she needed time to go train and learn to use her powers without mass damage. He said no. They staged an attack to illustrate just how dangerous she was at her current level of control. As it stands they may have enough of a relationship to know Superman is stubborn and wouldn't listen without being shown exactly why this was the best and only course of action.

* Did Superman and Batman know Diana before she attempts to kidnap Kara? Their interactions just don't seem right to me. And if they do know each other why is Diana's first reaction; violent kidnap and not talk?