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* Why is Beck's lie about the fused elemental drawing power from the Earth's core what causes Fury (actually Talos) to realize that he's a fraud, especially considering he believed all the other stories no problem? Sure in a vacuum, it sounds ridiculous and contrived, but given all the things that have happened in the MCU, is it really harder to believe than say, a giant purple man with a glove with magic rocks snapping half the universe away for five years, or being a shapeshifting alien posing as someone else?

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* Why is Beck's lie about the fused elemental drawing power from the Earth's core what causes Fury (actually Talos) to realize that he's a fraud, especially considering he believed all the other stories no problem? Sure in a vacuum, it sounds ridiculous and contrived, but given all the things that have happened in the MCU, is it really harder to believe than say, a giant purple man with using a glove with magic rocks snapping to snap half the universe away for five years, or being a shapeshifting alien posing as someone else?
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* Why is Beck's lie about the fused elemental drawing power from the Earth's core what causes Fury (actually Talos) to realize that he's a fraud, especially considering he believed all the other stories no problem? Sure in a vacuum, it sounds ridiculous and contrived, but given all the things that have happened in the MCU, is it really harder to believe than say, a giant purple man with a glove with magic rocks snapping half the universe away for five years, or being a shapeshifting alien posing as someone else?
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* Fury (really Talos tells Peter that he used to know everything and now no longer does. But that's not even remotely true. Fury didn't know that the organisation he worked for had been undermined by HYDRA for decades. He genuinely thought that Tony Stark wasn't Avengers material, being too flaky and selfish. He also didn't realize the difference between a housecat and a Flerkin, and why you can pet one but maybe shouldn't pet the other if you value your eyesight, no matter how many characters told him that no, Goose was not a housecat. Talos was even there for the last one, so why would he act as if Fury had ever been all-knowing? Unless he thinks that this is what Fury would say - but while I can see Fury bragging about knowing everything, I have a much harder time imagining him to admit to not doing so.

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* Fury (really Talos Talos) tells Peter that he used to know everything and now no longer does. But that's not even remotely true. Fury didn't know that the organisation he worked for had been undermined by HYDRA for decades. He genuinely thought that Tony Stark wasn't Avengers material, being too flaky and selfish. He also didn't realize the difference between a housecat and a Flerkin, and why you can pet one but maybe shouldn't pet the other if you value your eyesight, no matter how many characters told him that no, Goose was not a housecat. Talos was even there for the last one, so why would he act as if Fury had ever been all-knowing? Unless he thinks that this is what Fury would say - but while I can see Fury bragging about knowing everything, I have a much harder time imagining him to admit to not doing so.
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* Fury [[spoiler:really Talos]] tells Peter that he used to know everything and now no longer does. But that's not even remotely true. Fury didn't know that the organisation he worked for had been undermined by HYDRA for decades. He genuinely thought that Tony Stark wasn't Avengers material, being too flaky and selfish. He also didn't realize the difference between a housecat and a Flerkin, and why you can pet one but maybe shouldn't pet the other if you value your eyesight, no matter how many characters told him that no, Goose was not a housecat. [[spoiler:Talos]] was even there for the last one, so why would he act as if Fury had ever been all-knowing? [[spoiler:Unless he thinks that this is what Fury would say - but while I can see Fury bragging about knowing everything, I have a much harder time imagining him to admit to not doing so.]]

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* Fury [[spoiler:really Talos]] (really Talos tells Peter that he used to know everything and now no longer does. But that's not even remotely true. Fury didn't know that the organisation he worked for had been undermined by HYDRA for decades. He genuinely thought that Tony Stark wasn't Avengers material, being too flaky and selfish. He also didn't realize the difference between a housecat and a Flerkin, and why you can pet one but maybe shouldn't pet the other if you value your eyesight, no matter how many characters told him that no, Goose was not a housecat. [[spoiler:Talos]] Talos was even there for the last one, so why would he act as if Fury had ever been all-knowing? [[spoiler:Unless Unless he thinks that this is what Fury would say - but while I can see Fury bragging about knowing everything, I have a much harder time imagining him to admit to not doing so.]]
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* Fury [spoiler:that is Talos] tells Peter that he used to know everything and now no longer does. But that's not even remotely true. Fury didn't know that the organisation he worked for had been undermined by HYDRA for decades. He genuinely thought that Tony Stark wasn't Avengers material, being too flaky and selfish. He also didn't realize the difference between a housecat and a Flerkin, and why you can pet one but maybe shouldn't pet the other if you value your eyesight, no matter how many characters told him that no, Goose was not a housecat. [[spoiler:Talos]] was even there for the last one, so why would he act as if Fury had ever been all-knowing? [[Unless he thinks that this is what Fury would say - but while I can see Fury bragging about knowing everything, I have a much harder time imagining him to admit to not doing so.]]

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* Fury [spoiler:that is Talos] [[spoiler:really Talos]] tells Peter that he used to know everything and now no longer does. But that's not even remotely true. Fury didn't know that the organisation he worked for had been undermined by HYDRA for decades. He genuinely thought that Tony Stark wasn't Avengers material, being too flaky and selfish. He also didn't realize the difference between a housecat and a Flerkin, and why you can pet one but maybe shouldn't pet the other if you value your eyesight, no matter how many characters told him that no, Goose was not a housecat. [[spoiler:Talos]] was even there for the last one, so why would he act as if Fury had ever been all-knowing? [[Unless [[spoiler:Unless he thinks that this is what Fury would say - but while I can see Fury bragging about knowing everything, I have a much harder time imagining him to admit to not doing so.]]
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* Fury [spoiler:that is Talos] tells Peter that he used to know everything and now no longer does. But that's not even remotely true. Fury didn't know that the organisation he worked for had been undermined by HYDRA for decades. He genuinely thought that Tony Stark wasn't Avengers material, being too flaky and selfish. He also didn't realize the difference between a housecat and a Flerkin, and why you can pet one but maybe shouldn't pet the other if you value your eyesight, no matter how many characters told him that no, Goose was not a housecat. [[spoiler:Talos]] was even there for the last one, so why would he act as if Fury had ever been all-knowing? [[Unless he thinks that this is what Fury would say - but while I can see Fury bragging about knowing everything, I have a much harder time imagining him to admit to not doing so.]]
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** They thought Spider-Man was controlling the drones and that he deceived Beck as well. Jameson is of course ready to spread that.
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** During Phase 1 of the fight, they wanted to keep it personal so Thanos wouldn't escalate. For Phase 2, there were a lot of friendlies on the field, in very close proximity to the enemy.


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** Tony may have intended to keep EDITH as a back-pocket, personally controlled option in case someone like Thanos showed up again. A last resort measure. Also, Tony ''constantly'' improves on his flaws and mistakes. He never really stopped making weapons; you can see the Army with Stark Industries sonic tech in the Hulk movie, which would be powerful enough to kill a normal person and actually stops the Hulk cold, and he made multiple War Machine suits.
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** Also, the suit needs to ''glide''. He might've thought weight was a concern. Though as we saw in NWH, the IS suit can still glide. Maybe he didn't want the spider-legs to take up the space for the parachute.
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** If ''WesternAnimation/TheIncredibles'' taught us anything, it's that people can be ungrateful even when being saved. Similar to what the first responder said, maybe their spite for Tony makes them incapable of taking in ''anything'' positive about the man, or at least shooting down the positives for the mass population compared to what they experienced. Something like, "Yeah sure he saved us from destruction, but his finger snap doesn't undo the humilation ''I'' endured or get ''me'' another job!"

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** If ''WesternAnimation/TheIncredibles'' ''WesternAnimation/TheIncredibles1'' taught us anything, it's that people can be ungrateful even when being saved. Similar to what the first responder said, maybe their spite for Tony makes them incapable of taking in ''anything'' positive about the man, or at least shooting down the positives for the mass population compared to what they experienced. Something like, "Yeah sure he saved us from destruction, but his finger snap doesn't undo the humilation ''I'' endured or get ''me'' another job!"
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* The image of Vision used in Midtown High's In Memoriam video is taken from the scene in ''Civil War'' right after he accidentally shot down Rhodey. How did they get a picture of that, given that it happened in an empty field outside an airport?
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** The point is that whether the pubic believes Mysterio's lies or not, [[TheBadGuyWins he would still get the last laugh to some extent]]. Even if Spider Man's "villainy" was not believed by the people, his secret identity still got exposed. So while his plan to become a VillainWithGoodPublicity even after death might fail, but his plan to ruin Peter's reputation in some way sure won't. Of course, whatever the next Spider Man movie might reveal about it, the only reason why anyone would fall for the whole "Spider Man is a criminal" lie would be IdiotPlot.

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** The point is that whether the pubic believes Mysterio's lies or not, [[TheBadGuyWins he would still get the last laugh to some extent]]. Even if Spider Man's "villainy" was not believed by the people, his secret identity still got exposed. So while his plan to become a VillainWithGoodPublicity even after death might fail, but his plan to ruin Peter's reputation in some way sure won't. Of course, whatever the next Spider Man movie might reveal about it, the only reason why anyone would fall for the whole "Spider Man is a criminal" lie would be IdiotPlot.absurd.
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* You'd think after owning not one, but ''two'' suits made by Tony Stark with instant kill features, Peter would know what EDITH means by "target". So why Peter say yes in this situation?

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* You'd think after owning not one, but ''two'' suits made by Tony Stark with instant kill features, Peter would know what EDITH means by "target". So why does Peter say yes in this situation?
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** He's a teenager who's panicking and didn't think things through.
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* You'd think after owning not one, but ''two'' suits made by Tony Stark with instant kill features, Peter would know what EDITH means by "target". So why Peter say yes in this situation?
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** People refusing to believe things that can be plainly is unfortunately all too common.

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** People refusing to believe things that can be plainly seen is unfortunately all too common.
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** People refusing to believe things that can be plainly is unfortunately all too common.
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** I figured that Peter ''didn't'' regain access to EDITH. It was all part of Beck's plan. Beck decides to try a FakingTheDead ploy, so he tells EDITH "The next time Peter Parker puts on these glasses, act like he's in control and tell him all the illusions are deactivated even though there's actually one remaining illusion that makes it look like I'm dead when in reality I already got up and ran away." Then EDITH just does what she's told.

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** I figured that Maybe Peter ''didn't'' regain access to EDITH. It was all part of Beck's plan. Beck decides to try a FakingTheDead ploy, so he tells EDITH "The next time Peter Parker puts on these glasses, act like he's in control and tell him all the illusions are deactivated even though there's actually one remaining illusion that makes it look like I'm dead when in reality I already got up and ran away." Then EDITH just does what she's told.
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** I figured that Peter ''didn't'' regain access to EDITH. It was all part of Beck's plan. Beck decides to try a FakingTheDead ploy, so he tells EDITH "The next time Peter Parker puts on these glasses, act like he's in control and tell him all the illusions are deactivated even though there's actually one remaining illusion that makes it look like I'm dead when in reality I already got up and ran away." Then EDITH just does what she's told.
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** All covered in the sequel: ''Spider-Man: No Way Home''

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