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** Perhaps that IS the point of the movie: the warning is only the latest note in an ongoing catastrophy. There are no good outcomes, only bad and worse.
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*** Also, the secret DOES get out pretty quickly. This is not the story of some secret being kept for an enormous amount of time before some superhero miraculously uncovers it. It's the story of the government making a desperation play and a fairly ordinary man uncovering it after a fairly short period of time.
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*** SomebodyElsesProblem.BystanderSyndrome. You can't figure out what you don't want to think about.
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** is this really all such an issue? Is it not possible that some part of the doubtlessly ''very thorough'' processing neutralizes any toxins already present in the body?
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** Sometimes you have to accept it's a film, and they did their best. There was no CGI when this was made, dummies or fast-motion would have looked fake, and the stunt was probably already pretty dangerous even at the slow speed they used.
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** The movie never states outright that Sol knows the secret in the first place. What he knows from the oceanographic survey is that the algae that was supposed to be made into Soylent Green didn't exist. He may simply have killed himself because he knew starvation was imminent, not because he knew what was in Soylent Green.
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** Let's blame it on bad maintenence maintenance and fuel, eh?eh?
*** Lack of fuel? Current cars reach maximum efficiency at 60 mph or 100 kmph.
*** Lack of fuel? Current cars reach maximum efficiency at 60 mph or 100 kmph.
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** Thorn reveals the big secret of Soylent Green in the middle of a crowded church as he's being carried off. He's ranting by this point, so there's no way that he and Hatcher are the only ones who know the secret by the end. Unless the government is willing to track down every homeless person in the church, it'll be hard to keep the secret under wraps.
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** I always assumed that the film took place RIGHT at the point that the system had become untenable. Society had been limping along for a while, desperately sucking up the remaining resources. We join them just as the world truly goes to hell. We've yet to see just what the true effects of a dead ocean will do...
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* Isn't Thorn's warning at the end ultimately futile? The world is due for a mass die-back very quickly. Think about it. In a world where the population is so packed that people have to sleep in mobs on staircases, where do people go in their free time (what precious free time you can find in this society) to procreate? Notice how there's almost no children in this movie. The current generation was born to the last generation that still *could* reproduce freely. The few children who are born probably have next to no chance of living to reproducing age themselves due to lack of resources. If the masses are freaked out about the origin of soylent green and refuse to eat it, it's just going to speed up the die-back as people die of starvation.
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** Never mind the bigger issue of the fact that most of the oxygen in the atmosphere comes from the algae in the oceans - and I daresay we need oxygen much more often than food...
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* Why did Thorne suddenly decide to follow the trucks leaving the hospital? That seems like an odd leap of logic, and it makes the whole detective story aspect of the movie less satisfying.
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* How long can the government [[ParanoiaFuel lie]] to the people that their product is veggies? If the government keep killing every person who 'investigated' the factory, the whole scenario would look pretty [[BrokenMasquerade suspicious]] after a few months time, and the truth will be uncovered anyway if someone gives the game away...?
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** This is addressed in the film, as Thorne tells the furniture that all cities are alike and all countryside has pretty much been converted into farmland, which is heavily guarded to prevent hungry people from looting and eating up all the crops. The logistics, manpower, and organization to field such a thing is not explained.
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* This is more of a question than a complaint, but we never get to see outside of the cities. What's it like for people in (what was once) the countryside? It can't ALL be cities if the resources to build them have burned out.
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* While this is a very entertaining film, it fails to acknowledge that a situation where the "oceans are dead" would almost certainly result in a massive human die-off resulting in more food (and space) for the remaining people.
* Also, even if the land can no longer support agricultural, hydroponics could be used to at least bridge the gap. Arable land being present and irrational fears of private drug cultivation are the primary reasons that hydroponics isn't more widely used now.
* Also, even if the land can no longer support agricultural, hydroponics could be used to at least bridge the gap. Arable land being present and irrational fears of private drug cultivation are the primary reasons that hydroponics isn't more widely used now.
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** Because it's too cold outside to snooze on the sidewalks?
*** Well no, it's not, because all anyone does throughout the movie is complain about the heat. Even at night. Apparently overpopulation has caused a perpetual heatwave... More likely it's because of the curfew that is regularly announced throughout the film. Though what the police would or ''could'' do to a homeless person sleeping on the street is an open question.
**** There's a curfew. This fact is introduced in the first non-title scene. Thorn is exempt because of his job.
*** Well no, it's not, because all anyone does throughout the movie is complain about the heat. Even at night. Apparently overpopulation has caused a perpetual heatwave... More likely it's because of the curfew that is regularly announced throughout the film. Though what the police would or ''could'' do to a homeless person sleeping on the street is an open question.
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**** *** There's a curfew. This fact is introduced in the first non-title scene. Thorn is exempt because of his job.
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** He probably knew Thorn wouldn't have believed him if he just told him - it's not something you would really want to believe, after all. He was applying for suicide, and Thorn, in a desperate desire to ignore the truth, would probably have passed it off as a delusion of mental illness. But by giving him a little hint, a nudge nd a hook to keep him interested, he managed to get Thorn to see the truth for himself.
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**Let's blame it on bad maintenence and fuel, eh?
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***He had just learned that he is a cannibal. Give the poor man a break.
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***If consumption of Soylent Green eventually causes death, it's less mouths to feed. I'm sure the high--ups do not eat it.
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* In a world that has absolutely no resources for anything, why are there abandoned cars lining the streets? Even (especially) if there's no fuel to run them, wouldn't they have been torn apart for the basic resources they contain (metal, glass, etc)?
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** It's no so much that it's unethical, as that it's the last and most dramatic sign of how bad the environmental situation has got. The film and book are in the science-fiction-as-warning mould: we should tackle overpopulation or we'll end up with a world where the government encourage people to volunteer for suicide, and where the only thing left to eat is each other.
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*** And if a worker gets lost or goes adventuring around there, it probably just means more protein for the next sucker they hire.
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** To a government that could engineer such an operation, Thorn isn't a law enforcement officer: he's just a sheepdog, keeping the livestock herds from breaking down the fences. Your dog doesn't need to know that the sheep will end up as mutton.
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** The primary reason is they are turning everyone in New York into cannibals without telling them that that is what they're doing. Also, who says that they're not turning over every other corpse in the city into soylent green. Due to the fact that folks are being paid to turn in corpses to the authorities, I would wager that more than just the suicides were brought into the soylent factory.
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* This is going to sound callous (and technically ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontWatch), but what's actually unethical about Soylent Green? People in the assisted suicide place do choose to die. It's gross, and possibly will lead to epidemics of prion disease, but is it wrong? Shouldn't it be kinda less wrong, seeing as animals don't volunteer to be slaughtered?
