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Remix Edge's memories? There's nothing stopping her from editing Edge's memories the way she would anyone else's, except it'd be quicker and easier because she doesn't have to accommodate logical cause and effect (Edge knows those aren't actually his, and can't die unless killed). She judges literally from on high that everyone should just have their memories back and suck it up (I'd love to know what she'd say if asked if people with PTSD are also expected to do that), but she's already killed or edited the memories of all the people who would normally be a difficult patch in her life. There's nothing inherently wrong with Sensen technology, it's just being abused and applied in predatory ways; with Scylla's epic bitchiness cured and the mass-mutant-slavery project dismantled, proper regulation and enforcement by competent officers could solve all the problems Sensen seems to have. It'd take Nilin years, likely decades, before she got anywhere, but a lifetime of penance and digital psychotherapy seems a lot less costly for everyone involved than the endless lawsuits and surgical procedures and emotional turmoil that comes with all the memories flooding out of H30's banks.
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Remix Edge's memories? There's nothing stopping her from editing Edge's memories the way she would anyone else's, except it'd be quicker and easier because she doesn't have to accommodate logical cause and effect (Edge knows those aren't actually his, and can't die unless killed). She judges literally from on high that everyone should just have their memories back and suck it up (I'd love to know what she'd say if asked if people with PTSD are also expected to do that), but she's already killed or edited the memories of all the people who would normally be a difficult patch in her life. There's nothing inherently wrong with Sensen technology, it's just being abused and applied in predatory ways; with Scylla's epic bitchiness cured and the mass-mutant-slavery project dismantled, proper regulation and enforcement by competent officers could solve all the problems Sensen seems to have. It'd take Nilin years, likely decades, before she got anywhere, but a lifetime of penance and digital psychotherapy seems a lot less costly for everyone involved than the endless lawsuits and surgical procedures and emotional turmoil that comes with all the memories flooding out of H30's banks.
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********* Hairsplitting, no. [[spoiler: Edge may be a machine, but he wasn't programmed or designed to be able to think or learn the way an intelligent creature does; his... genesis, I guess, is entirely organic and comes solely from human experience. He talks like a person, thinks with human bias, has a human understanding of filial bonds, and has humanlike selfishness to the point of immaturity in places. He's a machine, but he is not an ''artificial'' intelligence. That's an extremely important difference, especially in terms of this topic because your only reason for saying he should be a better hacker than any human is that he's an AI: having a brain doesn't automatically make you qualified to perform neurosurgery. And saying that he's such a badass hacker that he can flawlessly evade detection by everyone who ought to have been paying attention to what every facet of the Memorize system is doing at all times is a huge stretch: if he's such an amazing hacker, [[ICannotSelfTerminate why can't he just delete the memories that are causing him all this pain in the first place?]] Why can't he move them to some other storage device, or send them back to the people they came from, without having to lure Nilin in to do the dirty work for him? Moving memories is not complicated, there are street kiosks for exactly that purpose, available for every Joe Schmoe's use.]]
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******** [[spoiler: So you can buy the sudden and spontaneous generation of a sentient intelligence (and Edge is an artificially created sentient being who lives in a computer, so he qualifies for all purposes as an AI; saying otherwise is just hairsplitting) within a massive bank of servers made to store human memories, but your suspension of disbelief suddenly fails at the idea that the same intelligence is smart and capable enough to fool the local sysadmin(s), who may or may not even know that sentient artificial intelligence is even possible? Seems like a pretty arbitrary place to draw a line in the sand, particularly when one considers the fine tradition of hacker AIs such as [[Neuromancer Wintermute]]. All it would take is Edge managing to worm his way into one exterior network and he'd be in business.]]
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******** [[spoiler: So you can buy the sudden and spontaneous generation of a sentient intelligence (and Edge is an artificially created sentient being who lives in a computer, so he qualifies for all purposes as an AI; saying otherwise is just hairsplitting) within a massive bank of servers made to store human memories, but your suspension of disbelief suddenly fails at the idea that the same intelligence is smart and capable enough to fool the local sysadmin(s), who may or may not even know that sentient artificial intelligence is even possible? Seems like a pretty arbitrary place to draw a line in the sand, particularly when one considers the fine tradition of hacker AIs such as [[Neuromancer Wintermute]].Wintermute. All it would take is Edge managing to worm his way into one exterior network and he'd be in business.]]
******** [[spoiler: To put it another way: is it really that hard to believe that not only is Edge ''really'' good at covering his own tracks, but that whoever is in charge of watching the systems in which he resides is not looking for signs that the server has spontaneously generated an artificial life form? Isn't it more likely that they simply have no idea what they're looking at and Edge is able to hide his transmissions within the immense amount of traffic that server must deal in every single day, as it absorbs the negative memories of an entire city, if not an entire civilization?]]
******** [[spoiler: To put it another way: is it really that hard to believe that not only is Edge ''really'' good at covering his own tracks, but that whoever is in charge of watching the systems in which he resides is not looking for signs that the server has spontaneously generated an artificial life form? Isn't it more likely that they simply have no idea what they're looking at and Edge is able to hide his transmissions within the immense amount of traffic that server must deal in every single day, as it absorbs the negative memories of an entire city, if not an entire civilization?]]
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******** [[spoiler: So you can buy the sudden and spontaneous generation of a sentient intelligence (and Edge is an artificially created sentient being who lives in a computer, so he qualifies for all purposes as an AI; saying otherwise is just hairsplitting) within a massive bank of servers made to store human memories, but your suspension of disbelief suddenly fails at the idea that the same intelligence is smart and capable enough to fool the local sysadmin(s), who may or may not even know that sentient artificial intelligence is even possible?
Seems like a pretty arbitrary place to draw a line in the sand, particularly when one considers the fine tradition of hacker AIs such as [[Neuromancer Wintermute]]. All it would take is Edge managing to worm his way into one exterior network and he'd be in business.
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******** [[spoiler: So you can buy the sudden and spontaneous generation of a sentient intelligence (and Edge is an artificially created sentient being who lives in a computer, so he qualifies for all purposes as an AI; saying otherwise is just hairsplitting) within a massive bank of servers made to store human memories, but your suspension of disbelief suddenly fails at the idea that the same intelligence is smart and capable enough to fool the local sysadmin(s), who may or may not even know that sentient artificial intelligence is even possible?
possible? Seems like a pretty arbitrary place to draw a line in the sand, particularly when one considers the fine tradition of hacker AIs such as [[Neuromancer Wintermute]]. All it would take is Edge managing to worm his way into one exterior network and he'd be in business.
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******** [[spoiler: So you can buy the sudden and spontaneous generation of a sentient intelligence (and Edge is an artificially created sentient being who lives in a computer, so he qualifies for all purposes as an AI; saying otherwise is just hairsplitting) within a massive bank of servers made to store human memories, but your suspension of disbelief suddenly fails at the idea that the same intelligence is smart and capable enough to fool the local sysadmin(s), who may or may not even know that sentient artificial intelligence is even possible?
Seems like a pretty arbitrary place to draw a line in the sand, particularly when one considers the fine tradition of hacker AIs such as [[Neuromancer Wintermute]]. All it would take is Edge managing to worm his way into one exterior network and he'd be in business.
Hang on a second. Are ''you'' a sysadmin? Is this game offending your professional pride?]]
Seems like a pretty arbitrary place to draw a line in the sand, particularly when one considers the fine tradition of hacker AIs such as [[Neuromancer Wintermute]]. All it would take is Edge managing to worm his way into one exterior network and he'd be in business.
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******* Firstly, no, I'm not meeting the writers halfway because the writers did a ''terrible'' job of doing their half of the job. [[spoiler: Secondly, Edge is not actually an artificial intelligence. The system was never designed to be an AI, and the part that Edge represents and was born from is a ''storage device''. I can buy that several lifetimes' worth of memories could produce a sapient being, I can even buy that those memories would create a classist, suicidal terrorist, but what I ''cannot'' buy into is the idea that a huge company worth billions of dollars whose proprietary technology involves what I can only assume is a ''brain stem implant'' would not have someone watching it like a hawk. It is too huge and too important to too many people and too many bank accounts for no one to notice that a machine that serves the same function as a photo album is suddenly sending out information and using system resources well beyond what ought to be allocated to it.]]
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****** You seriously can't think of a half-dozen ways off the top of your head that [[spoiler: a powerful AI could mislead, distract, bribe, or deceive a sysadmin]]? The root of this objection seems to be that you're not willing to meet the writer halfway and figure that [[spoiler: Edge anticipated these problems and has surmounted them by the time he takes up his role as Nilin's mission control. The problem with our theoretical heroic sysadmin is that he's using the systems Edge lives in to watch Edge.]]
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***** True, but that's not the problem: it's not why didn't anyone jump on the case, it's ''why wasn't someone watching it in the first place''? [[spoiler: Edge/H30 might be a better hacker than anyone, but it's not about covering tracks, it's about noticing that a large part of a major system that shouldn't be doing anything is working overtime.]]
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**** Cyberpunk 101: [[spoiler: an AI is a better hacker than a human could ever be. It would not be impossible for a human to cover up his tracks in such a situation, but it would take a long time. That is not a problem for an AI that happens to live in one of the most powerful systems on the planet, particularly in a universe where he has access to millions of people's discarded memories.]]
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**** Cyberpunk 101: [[spoiler: an AI is a better hacker than a human could ever be. It would not be impossible for a human to cover up his tracks in such a situation, but it would take a long time. That is not a problem for an AI that happens to live in one of the most powerful systems on the planet, particularly in a universe where he has access to millions of people's discarded memories. Edge has more than sufficient wherewithal to keep his tracks clean, even if the world's most heroic sysadmin jumped on the case.]]
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** That's assuming she ever wanted a damn thing to do with her parents' corporation. From a very young age her mother hated her, her father was a distracted mad scientist, and both of them are obviously workaholics. Before the start of the game, she's already involved with the Errorists and she's good buddies with Tommy, who runs a popular pub in the slums. Scylla's dossier in the Mnemesis files also mentions she has a child but doesn't talk about that child's gender. It's entirely possible that Nilin was rebelling against her parents from a very young age and spent a lot of her formative years hanging out with a bad crowd, so nobody in her parents' corporation had ever met her, or at least hadn't met her as an adult.
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**** Cyberpunk 101: [[spoiler: an AI is a better hacker than a human could ever be. It would not be impossible for a human to cover up his tracks in such a situation, but it would take a long time. That is not a problem for an AI that happens to live in one of the most powerful systems on the planet, particularly in a universe where he has access to millions of people's discarded memories.]]
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** Just going by the examples we see in the game, it seems that memory remixing relies on changing specific details, and then letting the person's mind use its own understanding of cause and effect to fill in the blanks, and keeping the end result of the memory consistent with the victim's current state. Scylla's case seems to suggest that the logical follow-up does apply to a person's entire memory, so they themselves won't arrive at FridgeLogic for their own memories, but there doesn't seem to be anything to stop them from noticing that objective evidence (for instance, her description of the car accident as she remembers it versus the way she described it to her insurance provider when it happened) doesn't match up.
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When a memory remixer remixes a key memory of a person, the latter's outlook and apparently subsequent memories adjust in order to fit the key memory that was remixed. However, is it truly fool proof that it doesn't cause in-universe FridgeLogic for a person? For example, a man remixes the memories of his daughter so that not only was she not the cause of her mother's car accident but she was never in one as well. Do all of the subsequent memories of that the girl has after that moment change? What about the possible memories of her visiting her mother in the hospital while the latter was recovering from said accident? Do these specific memories instantly change in order to fit the key memory, or are they erased completely in order to not conflict with the key memory?
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When a memory remixer remixes a key memory of a person, the latter's outlook and apparently subsequent memories adjust in order to fit the key memory that was remixed. However, is it truly fool proof that it doesn't cause in-universe FridgeLogic for a person? For example, a man remixes the memories of his daughter so that not only was she not the cause of her mother's car accident but she was never in one as well. Do all of the subsequent memories of that the girl has after that moment change? What about the possible memories of her visiting her mother in the hospital while the latter was recovering from said accident? Do these specific memories instantly change in order to fit the key memory, or are they erased completely in order to not conflict with the key memory?
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When a memory remixer remixes a key memory of a person, the latter's outlook and apparently subsequent memories adjust in order to fit the key memory that was remixed. However, is it truly fool proof that doesn't cause in-universe FridgeLogic for a person? For example, a man remixes the memories of his daughter so that not only was she not the cause of her mother's car accident but she was never in one as well. Do all of the subsequent memories of that the girl has after that moment change? What about the possible memories of her visiting her mother in the hospital while the latter was recovering from said accident? Do these specific memories instantly change in order to fit the key memory, or are they erased completely in order to not conflict with the key memory?
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When a memory remixer remixes a key memory of a person, the latter's outlook and apparently subsequent memories adjust in order to fit the key memory that was remixed. However, is it truly fool proof that it doesn't cause in-universe FridgeLogic for a person? For example, a man remixes the memories of his daughter so that not only was she not the cause of her mother's car accident but she was never in one as well. Do all of the subsequent memories of that the girl has after that moment change? What about the possible memories of her visiting her mother in the hospital while the latter was recovering from said accident? Do these specific memories instantly change in order to fit the key memory, or are they erased completely in order to not conflict with the key memory?
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If either scenario happens, wouldn't she start asking questions? Wouldn't that be just as worse as trying to lie and explain why her mother suddenly has car accident related wounds? If neither scenario happens and she is able to construct an explanation for it all, wouldn't she still start asking questions if her mind constructed explanation doesn't line up with whatever lie was concocted to explain why her mother has wounds? If any of this was thought of when remixing was first used, wouldn't that require the remixers to not only check the key memories they remixed but also the subsequent memories as well so that FridegeLogic doesn't occur?
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If either scenario happens, wouldn't she start asking questions? Wouldn't that be just as worse as trying to lie and explain why her mother suddenly has car accident related wounds? If neither scenario happens and she is able to construct an explanation for it all, wouldn't she still start asking questions if her mind constructed explanation doesn't line up with whatever lie was concocted to explain why her mother has wounds? If any of this was thought of when remixing was first used, wouldn't that require the remixers to not only check the key memories they remixed but also the subsequent memories as well so that FridegeLogic FridgeLogic doesn't occur?
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When a memory remixer remixes a key memory of a person, the latter's outlook and apparently subsequent memories adjust in order to fit the key memory that was remixed. However, is it truly fool proof that doesn't cause in-universe FridgeLogic for a person? For example, a man remixes the memories of his daughter so that not only was she not the cause of her mother's car accident but she was never in one as well. Do all of the subsequent memories of that the girl has after that moment change? What about the possible memories of her visiting her mother in the hospital while the latter was recovering from said accident? Do these specific memories instantly change in order to fit the key memory, or are they erased completely in order to not conflict with the key memory?
If they are changed, what possible explanation could the mind of a little girl construct as to why her mother is in the hospital in the first place? Would these altered memories make sense for this little girl. When she is grown up, would these altered memories still make sense for her more wiser self? If they are simply erased as they are too conflictory, wouldn't that create some blanks in the girl's memory? Would the little girl's mind be able to construct explanations to fill in the blanks? If her mind is not able to fill in the blanks, wouldn't it dawn on her that she has moments she can't account for?
If either scenario happens, wouldn't she start asking questions? Wouldn't that be just as worse as trying to lie and explain why her mother suddenly has car accident related wounds? If neither scenario happens and she is able to construct an explanation for it all, wouldn't she still start asking questions if her mind constructed explanation doesn't line up with whatever lie was concocted to explain why her mother has wounds? If any of this was thought of when remixing was first used, wouldn't that require the remixers to not only check the key memories they remixed but also the subsequent memories as well so that FridegeLogic doesn't occur?
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When a memory remixer remixes a key memory of a person, the latter's outlook and apparently subsequent memories adjust in order to fit the key memory that was remixed. However, is it truly fool proof that doesn't cause in-universe FridgeLogic for a person? For example, a man remixes the memories of his daughter so that not only was she not the cause of her mother's car accident but she was never in one as well. Do all of the subsequent memories of that the girl has after that moment change? What about the possible memories of her visiting her mother in the hospital while the latter was recovering from said accident? Do these specific memories instantly change in order to fit the key memory, or are they erased completely in order to not conflict with the key memory?
If they are changed, what possible explanation could the mind of a little girl construct as to why her mother is in the hospital in the first place? Would these altered memories make sense for this little girl. When she is grown up, would these altered memories still make sense for her more wiser self? If they are simply erased as they are too conflictory, wouldn't that create some blanks in the girl's memory? Would the little girl's mind be able to construct explanations to fill in the blanks? If her mind is not able to fill in the blanks, wouldn't it dawn on her that she has moments she can't account for?
If either scenario happens, wouldn't she start asking questions? Wouldn't that be just as worse as trying to lie and explain why her mother suddenly has car accident related wounds? If neither scenario happens and she is able to construct an explanation for it all, wouldn't she still start asking questions if her mind constructed explanation doesn't line up with whatever lie was concocted to explain why her mother has wounds? If any of this was thought of when remixing was first used, wouldn't that require the remixers to not only check the key memories they remixed but also the subsequent memories as well so that FridegeLogic doesn't occur?
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...recognize Nilin?
She spends a pretty big percentage of the game running around the company that she apparently used to work for, and had a pretty decent rank in, considering her parents own it. ''Remember Me'' doesn't exactly do subtlety or anything, so it may just be asking too much of the game itself, but shouldn't ''somebody'' in that huge building have recognized her as "Nilin, the CEO's hot daughter that went rogue" and not "that brutal terrorist from the news"? I know it's mostly to preserve the reveal and all, but on a second playthrough, it seems really, really forced.
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** She probably isn't. The way the doctor talks about her case, resisting the memory wipe enough to recall her name is unusual, but it happens occasionally. He talks about re-administering the process himself, but doesn't really seem surprised. There are a lot of factors that probably contributed to it (experience with relevant technology, having had a memory removed when that technology was probably in the prototype phase, interference from Edge, etc), but there's not really anything to suggest she's unique in not having the memory wipe stick on the first try.
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***** Edge spends the ''entire game'' doing some seriously not-okay stuff and Nilin never seems to catch on, or object. ("Gee, I just stole those security codes for the dam and gave them to Edge.... Goodness gracious me, how did this horrible flood happen?") Giving her passwords gleaned from Trace's removed memories wouldn't be any less suspicious than all the other stuff he does. And, uh, yeah, Edge and H30 ''are'' the same thing, that's the reveal. Edge may be a consciousness within H30 and not fully in control of how it responds to her infiltrating its actual, physical location, but there's no indication that Edge doesn't have access to the same data banks that H30 does, and the whole plot revolves around the fact that Edge ''can't separate himself'' from that information.
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**** Because he's not supposed to have it. "Oh, look, I just happen to have the top-secret security codes." "Why do you have access to his moved memories?" "Uh..." Not to mention that Edge and H30 aren't the same thing.
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*** Absolutely. The fact that [[spoiler: H30 has a consciousness]] doesn't make any difference, and in fact it would make it that much stranger that no one would notice. The sabotage of the dam would be the most obvious one, but anything that he does has to be done remotely, and using stolen security passes, and ''all'' the technology involved came directly from the heart of the Memorize corporation, specifically from a part of the system that should have no outgoing dataflow at all, to the Sensen of an escaped convict and known criminal. I mean, if Trace is any indication, the integrity of the security office at this company is questionable at best, so it's not totally out of the realm of possibility that whatever sysadmin is in charge of making sure that a vast cybernetic system that attaches directly to the brains of millions of people is just blisteringly incompetent, but that's just about what it would take.
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*** If he removes his memory of the answer so that he has to solve them every time, why doesn't ''Edge'' just give Nilin the answer?
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*** That can't really be true, though; Edge wasn't created by Nilin, Edge gained consciousness in response to Nilin's memory of the crash being sent to the server. That's why he calls her "Sis" the entire game, he was made by her parents, making her his older sister. Functionally speaking, there's no difference between Nilin's Sensen and anyone else's, and Edge is constantly doing and looking into things through other branches of the system that Nilin can't reach or see herself (for instance, knowing what special abilities she can take from other enemies). The hacking glove ''might'' contribute to that, but Edge talks to and guides her without it for the first stage of the game anyway, and only has her describe things that have no mechanical components.
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** It's mentioned by H30 that Edge is only one facet of the entire system, so maybe Edge actually didn't have access to the data he needed? And like you said, all of the memories that are ''removed'' end up in his database -- if they haven't been removed, then they're not there at all, hence why he needs Nilin to go steal memories from people; those memories are still stored in the individuals' heads, not in H30. He can't seem to actually access anyone's Sensen. He can hack into anything with an Internet link, but when it comes to the Sensen itself, that seems to be a block for him -- likely because they're a closed system, and memories are only uploaded when the individual chooses. The only person whose Sensen he ''might'' be linked to is Nilin's, which makes sense when you remember that she's essentially his creator.
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** It's mentioned by H30 that Edge is only one facet of the entire system, so maybe Edge actually didn't have access to the data he needed? And like you said, all of the memories that are ''removed'' end up in his database -- if they haven't been removed, then they're not there at all, hence why he needs Nilin to go steal memories from people; those memories are still stored in the individuals' heads, not in H30. He can't seem to actually access anyone's Sensen. He can hack into anything with an Internet link, but when it comes to the Sensen itself, that seems to be a block for him -- likely because they're the Sensen (or the memory portion of it, at least) is a closed system, and memories are only uploaded uploaded/shared when the individual chooses. The only person whose Sensen he ''might'' be linked to is Nilin's, which makes sense when you remember that she's essentially his creator.
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** It's mentioned by H30 that Edge is only one facet of the entire system, so maybe Edge actually didn't have access to the data he needed? And like you said, all of the memories that are ''removed'' end up in his database -- if they haven't been removed, then they're not there at all, hence why he needs Nilin to go steal memories from people; those memories are still stored in the individuals' heads, not in H30. He can't seem to actually access anyone's Sensen. He can hack into anything with an Internet link, but when it comes to the Sensen itself, that seems to be a block for him -- likely because they're a closed system, and memories are only uploaded when the individual chooses. The only person whose Sensen he's linked to is Nilin's, which makes sense when you remember that she's essentially his creator.
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** It's mentioned by H30 that Edge is only one facet of the entire system, so maybe Edge actually didn't have access to the data he needed? And like you said, all of the memories that are ''removed'' end up in his database -- if they haven't been removed, then they're not there at all, hence why he needs Nilin to go steal memories from people; those memories are still stored in the individuals' heads, not in H30. He can't seem to actually access anyone's Sensen. He can hack into anything with an Internet link, but when it comes to the Sensen itself, that seems to be a block for him -- likely because they're a closed system, and memories are only uploaded when the individual chooses. The only person whose Sensen he's he ''might'' be linked to is Nilin's, which makes sense when you remember that she's essentially his creator.
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** It's mentioned by H30 that Edge is only one facet of the entire system, so maybe Edge actually didn't have access to the data he needed? And like you said, all of the memories that are ''removed'' end up in his database -- if they haven't been removed, then they're not there at all, hence why he needs Nilin to go steal memories from people; those memories are still stored in the individuals' heads, not in H30. He can't seem to actually access anyone's Sensen. He can hack into anything with an Internet link, but when it comes to the Sensen itself, that seems to be a block for him -- likely because they're a closed system, and memories are only uploaded when the individual chooses. The only person whose Sensen he's linked to is Nilin's, which makes sense when you remember that she's essentially his creator.
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* All the information that Nilin steals is stolen through the Sensen implants, which Edge/H30 literally ''is'', and all the memories that get removed from people end up in his own database. That's the point of all this, he can't destroy himself and can't destroy the memories he's storing, and has to get Nilin to do it for him. The entire plot hinges on the fact that Edge ''cannot'' separate himself from the Sensen system, but Nilin's hacker glove can only steal information ''from Sensen implants''. There is no information she can steal that Edge isn't already irrevocably attached to.
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* All the information that Nilin steals is stolen through the Sensen implants, which Edge/H30 literally ''is'', and all the memories that get removed from people end up in his own database. That's the point of all this, he can't destroy himself and can't destroy the memories he's storing, and has to get Nilin to do it for him. The entire plot hinges on the fact that Edge ''cannot'' separate himself from the Sensen system, but Nilin's hacker glove can only steal information ''from Sensen implants''. There is no information she can steal that Edge isn't already irrevocably attached to.
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** It's highly likely that he was [[spoiler:bouncing the signal around through various channels to mask its source so no one could trace it back. As for tracking it from the other direction, is anyone actually keeping an eye on exactly what H30 is doing? Nobody knows that H30 has gained self-awareness. It's shown that Charles is a hermit who is lost in his own head, and Scylla has little interest in anything beyond building her fortune and ruling the city with an iron fist. And neither of them can even ''access'' H30's physical components anymore unless they do so together. Taking that into consideration, would anyone else even be capable of monitoring the specifics of H30's actions?]]
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** Looking at it from another angle, it might be sort of clever. It might be that he specifically ''doesn't'' have the codes themselves memorized; he only has clues memorized, and [[LaserGuidedAmnesia has to figure them out every time]]. If his memory is ever stolen, the thief still has to figure out the riddle. Granted, they're not that ''hard'', but it might trip someone up. I mean, he's still a horrible security officer, but that might explain why he uses riddles for the codes.
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* How did Charles and Scylla not know what [[spoiler: Edge/H30]] was doing? He has a very intimate knowledge of what makes them tick, but he's still [[spoiler: a major component of the machine that their livelihood depends on.]] Was there really not a single security officer in the entire company that noticed that the spurious order to open the dam and flood the city [[spoiler: ''came from the Memorize main computer?'']]
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* Why would they make Captain Trace a security officer if he can't freaking memorize passwords and has to use kitschy mnemonic riddles to keep them straight, in a world where your memories are literally coded as data in a hard drive you access through an implant in your own neck? That's like hiring a stenographer who can't type and has to sing a nursery rhyme to remember how to get the cap off a pen.
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* How did Charles and Scylla not know what [[spoiler: Edge/H30]] was doing? He has a very intimate knowledge of what makes them tick, but he's still [[spoiler: a major component of the machine that their livelihood depends on.]] Was there really not a single security officer in the entire company that noticed that the spurious order to open the dam and flood the city [[spoiler: ''came from the Memorize main computer?'']]
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* Why would they make Captain Trace a security officer if he can't freaking memorize passwords and has to use kitschy mnemonic riddles to keep them straight, in a world where your memories are literally coded as data in a hard drive you access through an implant in your own neck? That's like hiring a stenographer who can't type and has to sing a nursery rhyme to remember how to get the cap off a pen.
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