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* PA4: why didn't Alex call the police? She had a phone!
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** [[spoiler: [[http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1696149/paranormal-activity-5.jhtml The directors in this video]] essentially confirm that Robbie was messenger of the coven.]]
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* In the fourth movie after Ali reversed the car through the garage door why did Dan just send Her to bed instead of trying to get an explanation for what just happened?
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** No one really knows. [[spoiler: Popular theories are it is Tobi or, more likely, another demon disguising as a child. A golem as the statue at the end that Wyatt/Hunter is standing next to resembles Robbie. Or another child born of the coven who may have completed the ritual.]]
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** [[spoiler: Hunter was never switched at birth. Wyatt is Hunter. Sometime after Paranormal Activity 2, Katie placed Hunter under adoption. There are many theories as to why this happened. The first is that it is believed Hunter needed to be grown in a 'normal' environment before whatever ritual the coven wants him to partake in can be done. This, to me, makes little sense with the events in PA2. The demon possessed Kristi and would have continued raising Hunter there if her husband never transferred the curse over to Katie. The second theory is that Possessed!Katie had to let go of Hunter as the police were probably chasing her down for the murders and kidnapping. Hunter could be raised in an environment that would not be connected to Katie or the coven and she could always find him again.]]
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* Another about the fourth movie: Was the implication that [[spoiler: the child Kristi and Dan had was switched at birth with the real Hunter or something? Or did Katie somehow lose Hunter after she took him?]]
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** Judging by the amount of [[spoiler:young inductees in the coven, shown in the climax when Alex is killed, he's probably the child of one of them, raised within the demon's influence]].
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** In the fourth movie, [[spoiler:the Kinect's tracking dots DO outline a pint-sized, child-shaped entity, even when the children aren't looking at it. Who says demons have to be large to be menacing]]?
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*In regards to the fourth movie... [[spoiler: Who. The. Fuck. Was. Robbie?!]]
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*** Now this troper is wondering why Lois had them sleep in separate beds at her house. Obviously by then it seemed like it sunk in that she wasn't getting a grandson, but it seems to be implied that she's always kept them that way when they stayed over. I might think she would try to encourage more sexual practice.
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*** The foolish reactions of [[TheUnfairSex all the menfolks in these movies]] seems to be based on just about every televised account of a [[VeryLooselyBasedOnATrueStory 'real' haunting]] I've seen. The kids and the wife see all the supernatural weirdness and start to freak, but [[BumblingDad dear old daddy]] never admits to it, even if he's just seen Lucifer tap-dancing down the hall while playing a polka version of ''Highway to Hell'' on an accordion. Really, after a while it starts to feel like [[XMeetsY Scooby-Doo meets the Lifetime Channel]].
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**I don't think they ever explicitly state who started the fire. My theory at the moment is that the coven did it, to pin Dennis' (and potentially Julie's) death(s) on the house fire.
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** It may be that the demon is weak after possession. It takes a lot of time in haunting before it can possess Kristi, so it may have needed time to feed on energy or whatever spirits do, before it was powerful enough to actually take over a body. Add that to the fact that Kristi is likely the first person the demon has possessed in a long time, if it's following this family, and you end up with a demon that probably needed time to get its strength back up. In the meantime, it was protective of Hunter, keeping Ali away from him, and by the time Dan had called in Martine, the demon was strong enough to fight Dan off, at which point it took Hunter into the basement, presumably with the intention of leaving with Hunter as soon as it could kill the rest of the family. Unfortunately for it, that's the point at which it's forced into Katie.
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* It became fairly obvious that, as the entity kept causing sleep depravation and their fatigue increased, it grew more powerful. So, why didn't they try adapting their schedules to sleep during the day and stay awake at night? If it can't steal sleep, then they'll at least have the strength to face it.
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* It became fairly obvious that, as the entity kept causing sleep depravation and their fatigue increased, it grew more powerful. So, why didn't they try adapting their schedules to sleep during the day and stay awake at night? If it can't steal sleep, then they'll at least have the strength to face it.
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***** Too many things in horror movies are written off as 'stupid', as if all main characters should always only do the most sensible thing. Micah was being made to feel like he can't protect from the demon - in his own words, the house is his house, and Katie is his girlfriend, and he wants to protect them. He's not stupid, just scared and emasculated, and not an expert on demons.
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*** Well, in the third movie Dennis actually ''is'' protective, relatively reasonable, and sympathetic. And compared to the way it messed with Micah and targeted the girls, the demon downright ignores him up until the very end.
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*** Yeah, the camera thing seems particularly odd since it's not a trait shared by the people who are actually related to one another (and who could therefore be argued as a shared familial interest or mindset of some kind) but by the men in their lives.
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** Basically, I took it as him panicking. The demon doesn't actually do things ''specifically'' to Dennis until the end, after all - he just sees stuff happening to other people on his tapes. 'Toby' messes more with the girls' babysitter than it does him, so he kind of gets slammed head-first into the maelstrom of fear and chaos at the end there, whereas previously he'd just been an outside observer.
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* If the demon granted a wish to the grandmother in return for the first born male, why did the demon burn the house down when Katie and Kristie were kids and risk killing them in the process?
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* At the end of the second movie, it says Ali came home from a trip on the 12th (or something like that) to find her family had been murdered. By this time, they would have been dead for four days. Isn't that a little odd for someone so close to her family and someone who likes to spend time on the phone?
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*** That solution was what they came up with in the first one. I think that was to give it a feel like Blair Witch and to make it seem like it was based on a true story. This is probably also the reason they left the credits off the end to leave a little room for doubt for anyone who has a chance to believe that's the case. As for the second movie, they added the cameras to the house in response to the break-in and vandalism that happene when they were away. That seems like a logical response to me. It was only after weird things started happening, like the pool cleaner ending up out of the water all the time, that they decided to review what the cameras saw.
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**** I agree with the line above. Burning the photo a bit was part of the spell and Dan sneaking it into the attic above Katie's bed was probably part of the spell, which gave some retroatcive meaning to the original film.
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** The boyfriend was jokingly spelling "PUSSY" on his own. When he stopped goofing off, the demon started spelling "HUNTER," but the kids took their hands off the board before it could spell teh rest of it, which led to the joke about "pussy hunt."
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*** The first one takes place somewhere in or around San Diego and the second one takes place in Carlsbad.
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** when he comes home with the camera, Katie asks him how much it costs and he says something like, "About half of what I made today." If that's an indication of what he makes on a normal day, then he makes a fair amount of money as a day trader.
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** A better question is why did three members of the same family independently come up with the same unlikely solution (film everything) to the problem, and have the resources on hand to pull it off?
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*** This Troper was more bothered by the fact that Dan didn't seem to care how terrified Ali was after locking herself out of the house. Maybe it's because this troper isn't a parent, but I sympathized way more with Ali than with Dan.
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*** The house they live in is the director's house, and when he lived there, he lived alone. So this is kinda [[TruthInTelevision Truth in Television]].
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** Or he was, you know, a human being. Sure, old ladies aren't the epitome of "dangerous," but how did most people react when the scene occurred--turning on the lights to see a bunch of creepy women (billed as such, too) staring at you and beginning to pursue you?
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***** Not bad scriptwriting, just a creative decision - they did not want to make another exorcism movie. They could have gone for the 'fraudulent demonologist' spin though I'm not sure it would have made the movie better.
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** I think it is pretty obvious that the demon doing anything physical, is entirely by his choice. The damn thing left those footprints not because Micah "caught" him , but simply to mess with them.
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** Or maybe he didn't want said bunch of women with the demons on their side to find either him or the children. Considering how badly he wants to protect them, making sure those after him aren't able to see them would be logical. How that would help with a supernatural being, however, is another problem.
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** The whole point of the demon working with the family is to get a son. The mother already said she had no intention of having anymore kids, and the father showed he was against whatever plot grandma had. In order to get what they want, they would have to brainwash two adults who are very hostile to the demon. Not only are children easier to manipulate, but they both have a chance of having a son later in life. And the children weren't really hostile to the demon; one made the demon her imaginary friend, and the other was probably so scared shitless that she went along with it, neither of them really fought the demon like the adults did. This demon doesn't care about getting a lot of recruits; whoever shows resistance to it, it just kills. Unlike the other movies, the leading woman didn't roll over in negativity, she seemed just as hostile as the leading man, and so she gets the same fate as the leading man.
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****** Given the second and third movies show us where the demon comes from and what it actually wanted, Micah's pissing it off probably didn't do all that much. This is something that burned down their house in the past. It has, in fact, gotten that bad before then. All the demon did was show Micah the extent of its power...
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*** Really, why the hate-on for Micah? What was he supposed to do? He tried to solve the problem, which is more than we can ever say for Katie, who's a complete idiot in every way. She tries to solve the problem with a medium, but freaks the hell out when Micah brings an ouija board. She's told specifically that running won't help but that's the only thing she's ever tried in her life. If Micah's too dumb to live for any reason, it's because he decided to stick with the girl. Nothing else he could do would have saved him.
**** He didn't try to solve the problem, he continued to provoke it to doing things. Which is also what an Ouija board does. Meet up with anyone who believes in spirituality/wicca/etc, and everyone will tell you Ouija boards are bad news because they just invite all energies to come forward. A medium just reads the energy in the air, it doesn't make shit worse until the thing is powerful enough, as evidenced near the end. Not to mention Micah was antagonizing her and the demon for the first half of the movie, and makes damn stupid decisions the second half so he's a jackass to boot.
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**** He didn't try to solve the problem, he continued to provoke it to doing things. Which is also what an Ouija board does. Meet up with anyone who believes in spirituality/wicca/etc, and everyone will tell you Ouija boards are bad news because they just invite all energies to come forward. A medium just reads the energy in the air, it doesn't make shit worse until the thing is powerful enough, as evidenced near the end. Not to mention Micah was antagonizing her and the demon for the first half of the movie, and makes damn stupid decisions the second half so he's a jackass to boot.
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*** Really, why the hate-on for Micah? What was he supposed to do? He tried to solve the problem, which is more than we can ever say for Katie, who's a complete idiot in every way. She tries to solve the problem with a medium, but freaks the hell out when Micah brings an ouija a Ouija board. She's told specifically that running won't help but that's the only thing she's ever tried in her life. If Micah's too dumb to live for any reason, it's because he decided to stick with the girl. Nothing else he could do would have saved him.
**** He didn't try to solve the problem, he continued to provoke it to doing things. Which is also whatan a Ouija board does. Meet up with anyone who believes in spirituality/wicca/etc, and everyone will tell you Ouija boards are bad news because they just invite all energies to come forward. A medium just reads the energy in the air, it doesn't make shit worse until the thing is powerful enough, as evidenced near the end. Not to mention Micah was antagonizing her and the demon for the first half of the movie, and makes damn stupid decisions the second half so he's a jackass to boot.
***** Seconded. Micah is the one who makes the problem worse. He tells Katie ''not'' to call the demonologist, talks to the demon, buys aouija Ouija board...this Troper is going to say that a lot of the stuff that happens in the movie is his fault.
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