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** Keep in mind that the MEKA was designed to fight a rampaging HumongousMecha rather than human-scale opponents. The same risks need not apply.
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** I suspect a rather perverted test of loyalty. "As an agent of Talon, this is your costume." If she starts to balk at wearing such a revealing thing, it shows she's not as loyal to Talon as they expected.
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* I don't see any particular animosity towards Winston in the graduation picture, really. Seems like, at worst, irritation at the new class. You have Torb, a technician and machinist (no good to Blackwatch), Joel McCree, who seems to be actively trying to redeem himself. Tracer, who is a ball of enthusiasm, decency, optimism, and hope (all things that Reyes never seemed the type for). Genji, a man who is actively letting go of old grudges, moving on, and living his life without being consumed by resentment and hate (basically, the anti-Reyes). And then Winston. An uplifted animal, filled with hope and the idea that people can be better, can be heroes. As to later on, I think Reaper's hatred towards Winston is more pragmatic. He hates that Winston brought back Overwatch, an organization he wanted dead and buried. Brought back "heroes" to oppose his reshaping the world. It seems like it's that Winston is both a living reminder of his past, and the number one reason that he is now opposed so heavily.
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* I don't see any particular animosity towards Winston in the graduation picture, really. Seems like, at worst, irritation at the new class. You have Torb, a technician and machinist (no good to Blackwatch), Joel Jesse McCree, who seems to be actively trying to redeem himself. Tracer, who is a ball of enthusiasm, decency, optimism, and hope (all things that Reyes never seemed the type for). Genji, a man who is actively letting go of old grudges, moving on, and living his life without being consumed by resentment and hate (basically, the anti-Reyes). And then Winston. An uplifted animal, filled with hope and the idea that people can be better, can be heroes. As to later on, I think Reaper's hatred towards Winston is more pragmatic. He hates that Winston brought back Overwatch, an organization he wanted dead and buried. Brought back "heroes" to oppose his reshaping the world. It seems like it's that Winston is both a living reminder of his past, and the number one reason that he is now opposed so heavily.
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** I suspect that Winston also designed a more spread-out Chronal Accelerator that could stabilize a larger area. Like smaller projectors set up around a perimeter to project a field within a house.
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** Perhaps some small part of Amelie interceded in that moment, and pushed Widowmaker to withdraw, rather than kill Tracer. Some degree of fondness, perhaps?
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** She doesn't use her Shrike outfit as her default. Shrike is a costume, Ana is the base skin. For Jack, Soldier: 76 is the default costume.
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** In-game we are told by herself that she DOES feel things, mostly anger and pleasure in killing. They indeed left those things in her, in order to give her some kind of motivation. After all she is a weaponized human being, but she still has her memories from the past. Insult her love for her husband and you trigger an angry reaction, just like her getting wounded by Ana gives her that happy face during their duel, it makes sense.
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** Genji left Overwatch way before Reyes started acting like a bastard, and McCree most likely simply didn't follow him.
Anyway, IMO, Blackwatch is indeed the secret operation branch of Overwatch, but this doesn't mean that they aren't known to the rest of the organization. Simply their job was in that group, this doesn't mean that they were undercover or anything.
Anyway, IMO, Blackwatch is indeed the secret operation branch of Overwatch, but this doesn't mean that they aren't known to the rest of the organization. Simply their job was in that group, this doesn't mean that they were undercover or anything.
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** It's possible that they only stream while they're in the thick of it anyway, so there probably isn't much intel at risk (aside from maybe stopping them sneaking up on it). The streams themselves probably help a lot with moral (since being attacked by a robotic kaiju probably puts the population on edge a little).
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Drones were originally used to fight it until it evolved to hack them, so the manned MEKA are now used instead. Members of MEKA often stream their operations, but why? Why are they allowed to do that? Wouldn't that open up a very real possibility of the giant omnic just evolving to hack the cameras/WATCH THE STREAMS to gather vital intel and spy on them? Doing that would be practically effortless in comparison to hacking drones piloted from miles away.
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* Drones were originally used to fight it until it evolved to hack them, so the manned MEKA are now used instead. Members of MEKA often stream their operations, but why? Why are they allowed to do that? Wouldn't that open up a very real possibility of the giant omnic just evolving to hack the cameras/WATCH THE STREAMS to gather vital intel and spy on them? Doing that would be practically effortless in comparison to hacking drones piloted from miles away.
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Drones were originally used to fight it until it evolved to hack them, so the manned MEKA are now used instead. Members of MEKA often stream their operations, but why? Why are they allowed to do that? Wouldn't that open up a very real possibility of the giant omnic just evolving to hack the cameras/WATCH THE STREAMS to gather vital intel and spy on them? Doing that would be practically effortless in comparison to hacking drones piloted from miles away.
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Drones were originally used to fight it until it evolved to hack them, so the manned MEKA are now used instead. Members of MEKA often stream their operations, but why? Why are they allowed to do that? Wouldn't that open up a very real possibility of the giant omnic just evolving to hack the cameras/WATCH THE STREAMS to gather vital intel and spy on them? Doing that would be practically effortless in comparison to hacking drones piloted from miles away.
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** If i'm not mistaken - Defence final spawn (the Museum) had the very Gauntlet we were supposed to deliver as attackers. Following said logic (or am i remembering it wrong?) the thing that is inside the Exhibit now (Orisa's ult) is the same we're delivering as attackers.
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** Gameplay And Story segregation.
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** Also, Sombra calling Mccree Joel is a joke from the beginning of the game when fans speculated that Mccree was called Joel. When Jeff Kaplan revealed Mccree officially he lampshaded this, saying "He hates being called Joel."
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** Evidence does seem to indicate that Mccree and Sombra don't know each other as of yet. If you look at and around Sombra's computer on the Castillo map she actually has pictures/files of two Overwatch agents, Mccree and Ana. This seems to indicate she's hunting them or they are hunting her. The last seems unlikely because Ana doesn't mention Sombra at all and I don't think Mccree would get drunk while looking for someone. However, of the two it would make more sense to go after Mccree as he seems to be alone and out of touch with all the other agents. Sombra's play style in game is to pounce on lone, weak targets, and she would know from Reaper that Ana is with Soldier 76. From what we've seen of picture of Overwatch in its glory days Mccree and Ana were fairly close, given that in almost every picture they are standing next to each other. Perhaps Sombra thinks she can get information from Mccree? Although I'm completely stumped as to why she would go after Ana.
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* Why is Ana called by her actual name in-game when to the world she faked her own death and is known as "Shrike"? Why isn't that her hero name instead of her actual name? After all, Soldier: 76 is a similar deal but he is actually called that by the game and not "Jack". Just a little inconsistency that seems odd.
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* Why is Ana called by her actual name in-game when to the world she faked her own death and is known as "Shrike"? Why isn't that her hero name instead of her actual name? After all, Soldier: 76 is a similar deal but he is actually called that by the game and not "Jack". Just a little inconsistency that seems odd.
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** I'm stake my bets on a few guesses that may or may not be connected: '''1)''' Reyes is simply relishing in his "role" as a CardCarryingVillain (though this only applies when he is Reaper). '''2)''' Reyes might also be pissed that a "stupid monkey" could get a pretty good public image... and he can't (referring to the first cinematic trailer, that kid was gushing about how Winston kicked Doomfist's ass). '''3)''' What the troper above me said. '''4)''' Maybe he's pissed that Winston preferred working with Morrison instead of him. '''5)''' Reyes is just a petty asshole, plain and simple.
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** I'm stake staking my bets on a few guesses that may or may not be connected: '''1)''' Reyes is simply relishing in his "role" as a CardCarryingVillain (though this only applies when he is Reaper). '''2)''' Reyes might also be pissed that a "stupid monkey" could get a pretty good public image... and he can't (referring to the first cinematic trailer, that kid was gushing about how Winston kicked Doomfist's ass). '''3)''' What the troper above me said. '''4)''' Maybe he's pissed that Winston preferred working with Morrison instead of him. '''5)''' Reyes is just a petty asshole, plain and simple.
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** Bastion can't ''speak''. They clearly have a sapient mind capable of thinking words (and probably understanding classical mythology/astronomy). It's also possible that another character helped name it.
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* Bastion [[TheVoiceless can't talk]], and Ganymede is a wild bird simply following them around. Under those circumstances, how can Ganymede have a name?
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* Bastion [[TheVoiceless can't talk]], and Ganymede is a wild bird simply following them around. Under those circumstances, how can Ganymede have a name?
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** ''Rise and Shine'' and closer examination of ''Recall'' answer a lot of these questions. For starters: It was Winston's recall message (as seen in ''Are You With Me?'') that woke Mei up in the first place, so yes, she was recalled. Second, The shot of the globe in ''Recall'' only showed Eurasia and a snippet of the Mediterranean coastline in Africa. Antarctica (where Mei was stationed) was nowhere to be seen.
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** It's possible that Blackwatch and its activities were covert, but its agents' membership of Overwatch wasn't, and they also took part in more overt operations (they could always disguise themselves). That way, Reyes would still get screwed out of any credit since all his operations he was in charge of would be top secret, but that he and the other Blackwatch agents worked for OW would still be public. It's also possible that Genji might have moved to the friendlier side of OW after dismantling his family's empire. There's also the fact that the older publicity images apparently aren't quite canon any more.
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* Despite being a secret black ops agents that were drafted from being {{Boxed Crook}}s, it seems that [=McCree=] and Genji were also openly public Overwatch agents as well. [=McCree=] was seen alongside the other agents getting a medal for his work, while Genji was seen at the ceremony when Winston was made a member, not to mention he took part in publicly arrested Doomfist. Both were also seen in the Overwatch Museum in the Cinematic Trailer as being Overwatch agents. Also, the "Uprising" comic, which takes place in the couple of years of Overwatch's original run, shows that both members were Blackwatch until presumably just before the collapse, when they left separately (most likely because Reyes turned Blackwatch against Overwatch, and they didn't want to fight their friends). So with that in mind, how was it that the two were both top secret black ops agents, and publicly celebrated good guys? Granted, Blackwatch ''was'' a branch of Overwatch, but it seems odd that two members of a top secret DirtyBusiness branch, known for not getting any credit (hence Reyes turned on them), and both possessing shady pasts, were celebrated as publicly well-known heroes. Why wasn't Reyes celebrated as a hero before his FaceHeelTurn, considering he wasn't a criminal before and was an original Strike Team member? Did he ever go on public missions himself, like his two former underlings? This raises so many questions about the nature of Overwatch during its prime.
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* Despite being a secret black ops agents that were drafted from being {{Boxed Crook}}s, it seems that [=McCree=] and Genji were also openly public Overwatch agents as well. [=McCree=] was seen alongside the other agents getting a medal for his work, while Genji was seen at the ceremony when Winston was made a member, not to mention he took part in publicly arrested Doomfist. Both were also seen in the Overwatch Museum in the Cinematic Trailer as being Overwatch agents. Also, the "Uprising" comic, which takes place in the couple of years of Overwatch's original run, shows that both members were Blackwatch until presumably just before the collapse, when they left separately (most likely because Reyes turned Blackwatch against Overwatch, and they didn't want to fight their friends). So with that in mind, how was it that the two were both top secret black ops agents, and publicly celebrated good guys? Granted, Blackwatch ''was'' a branch of Overwatch, but it seems odd that two members of a top secret DirtyBusiness branch, known for not getting any credit (hence Reyes turned on them), and both possessing shady pasts, were celebrated as publicly well-known heroes. Why wasn't Reyes celebrated as a hero before his FaceHeelTurn, considering he wasn't a criminal before and was an original Strike Team member? Did he ever go on public missions himself, like his two former underlings? This raises so many questions about the nature of Overwatch during its prime.
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** In addition of this, apparently Vishkar wasn't even in the memory of Efi Oladele when she built up Orisa, this is why when Lucio tried to draft Orisa into his war, she just said she has no idea of what the hell Vishkar is. You'd think if Vishkar has universal influence, even Efi would have known and just put it at Orisa's memory bank at the very least as "Big building company from India", if we are to speak in the most neutral manner.
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** Note that the Outback (even today) is sparsely populated, and generally hard for humans to live in, so it's a fairly logical place to let a more resilient race of robots found their nation. It's also huge ([[https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/f6/9e/3d/f69e3d8df1187be172e8ea0b0ce4690e.jpg see this size comparison]]), and [[http://c15119308.r8.cf2.rackcdn.com/PopulationRedBlue2Nnorfolk.gif most of the population is concentrated around the coast]]. Even a huge explosion in the middle of the outback wouldn't touch most of the continent's major cities (Sydney being at risk from the explosion would be the equivalent of an explosion centred in Austria threatening to destroy Spain).
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* Was Sydney just not involved in the fallout? Was Sydney rebuilt since the incident? Does the Overwatch team not care about their lore?
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** The former seems most likely. It's mentioned that the Outback became a wasteland, not the entirety of Australia. We've seen other parts of Australia in both ''Going Legit'' and ''Reflections'', which show that the cities are still doing fine.
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** The former seems most likely. It's mentioned that the Outback became a wasteland, not the entirety of Australia. We've seen other parts of Australia in both ''Going Legit'' and ''Reflections'', which show that the cities are still doing fine.
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* I don't see any particular animosity towards Winston in the graduation picture, really. Seems like, at worst, irritation at the new class. You have Torb, a technician and machinist (no good to Blackwatch), Joel McCree, who seems to be actively trying to redeem himself. Tracer, who is a ball of enthusiasm, decency, optimism, and hope (all things that Reyes never seemed the type for). Genji, a man who is actively letting go of old grudges, moving on, and living his life without being consumed by resentment and hate (basically, the anti-Reyes). And then Winston. An uplifted animal, filled with hope and the idea that people can be better, can be heroes. As to later on, I think Reaper's hatred towards Winston is more pragmatic. He hates that Winston brought back Overwatch, an organization he wanted dead and buried. Brought back "heroes" to oppose his reshaping the world. It seems like it's that Winston is both a living reminder of his past, and the number one reason that he is now opposed so heavily.
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* Originally, it was portrayed that Reaper wasn't a full-fledged member of Talon unlike Widowmaker, instead being a mercenary on their payroll who had little personal investment in them outside of the shared goal of Overwatch's complete destruction. However, it seems that this is no longer the case. First hinted at in an interaction where Sombra calls him "boss", he was officially confirmed to be part of Talon's leadership alongside Doomfist, aptly named the Council of Leaders. If this isn't a full-fledged membership, then what is? Was this a {{Retcon}} because they decided that it fit better to give him a position of power, a ContinuitySnarl, or did he get a promotion (which seems unlikely given he hasn't exactly been very successful for Talon). Can anyone give an explanation for this?
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* Originally, it was portrayed that Reaper wasn't a full-fledged member of Talon unlike Widowmaker, instead being a mercenary on their payroll who had little personal investment in them outside of the shared goal of Overwatch's complete destruction. However, it seems that this is no longer the case. First hinted at in an interaction where Sombra calls him "boss", he was officially confirmed to be part of Talon's leadership alongside Doomfist, aptly named the Council of Leaders. If this isn't a full-fledged membership, then what is? Was this a {{Retcon}} because they decided that it fit better to give him a position of power, a ContinuitySnarl, or did he get a promotion (which seems unlikely given he hasn't exactly been very successful for Talon). Can anyone give an explanation for this?
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