History Headscratchers / MonsterHunter

** There's the possibility that the blacksmith had it with him all along, and just wanted those Heavenly Scales to screw with you.

* Some weapons in 3 state in their description that they're ancient. But, I collected the materials and watched them forge it myself...

* Some weapons in 3 state in their description that they're ancient. But, I collected the materials an watched them forge it myself...

** That's a common trend in Monster Hunter. Remember how f***ing difficult Garuga was back in MHF? I literally could not pass that Quest without abusing the garuga glitch. In MHFU, it's just a purple chicken.

** Another thing is that areas you fought Tigrex in P3rd is way spacious than before. Just think how narrow the Snow Mountain and how wide are the areas in P3rd. In fact, you can recall how comparative easy you deal with Tigrex in deserts than in the Snow Mountain.

** [[ArtificialDifficulty Hidden dragon damage and poorly designed hit zones.]]

* What the hell happened to Tigrex in P3rd? He used to be the scourge of noobs and pros equal, but now he has been too nerfed. Remember when you took damage just by touching its tail when he was moving? Remember when his charge took away 2/3rds of your HP when in rage and outright killed you if you were a gunner? Remember how you used to stay put for ten seconds, trembling in fear, after being reached by its roar? Remember how he entered rage mode after taking just two hits? That was a true ThatOneBoss, not that lame snow panther who trips when you break its wings. Now you can just go under its armpits to evade his charge, you don't take step damage by its tail and his roar paralyzes you for just about three seconds. And he gets tired too! What is this, Capcom. What. Is. This. That's the way you treat your old glories.

** First off, Felynes and Shakalaka (as far as I know) don't really die. They just dig underground to heal. So it's ComedicSociopathy at worst (remember how felynes blowing themselves up is played for laughs?). Besides, who would attack felynes without a reason? They're peaceful unless provoked. Melnyx are another thing, but they only get what's coming to them for trying to rob you. As for the herbivore-class...well, do you go around killing these randomly? I sure don't. If I'm out to hunt a wyvern, attacking anything else would be a waste of weapon sharpness. The only reason I kill them is when I'm in need for Raw Meat. Or, as for the desert-variant, if they're the ones attacking first. Sure, preventive attack for self-defense on their side, but attacking is still their fault. As for preying on wyverns and their eggs...well, welcome to nature. That's just what hunters DO. Killing a creature and taking its ressources. The only thing a hunter can do to honor his prey is giving it a chance to fight and not letting his kill go to waste. If they retreat, they'd ever die anyway from their injuries (provided you wouldn't chase after them to finish the job) or make a full recovery and come back for more. In either case, finishing what you started is either necesarry, or more merciful. Most of the time, you're hunting them for survival, anyway. When you aren't, it's just preying on them for fun and profit. So what? That may not be the most considerate thing to do, but it's not like Lao or Fatalis consider what humans do, either. Basically, unless there is a way to coexist (which seems unlikely, considering some of their behaviour patterns) it's going to end in extinction either way. Either for humans, or for wyverns. So one can at least make the best of it and don't let the trophies of these glorious beasts go to waste. These are somewhat primitive societies anyway that may not even realize the extent of their actions or see any reason to show mercy to the creatures regularly wasting their villages.

** It JustBugsMe that the argument by the original troper automatically assumes that the player is the only one who kills other monsters, when the wyverns and dragons will actively go after the herbivores/smaller creatures when tired/weakened, hell, most of the time I let the bigger monster kill off the small fry for me before jumping into the fray if I can help it. As for 'eating their babies' thats not nearly as barbaric as you make it sound. Since we do that with chickens, we harvest their eggs and butcher them for meat (which, if anything is worse than simply hunting down the monster and taking its eggs. And again, consider the time period. While some of the missions are rather frivolous (The Congalala ones especially), they are just as often out of necessity (pelts for clothing, meat for food, fluids for medicine, driving off large wyverns like Khezu and Tigrex that are eating livestock), this is how human culture used to be before we had massproduceable synthetic materials (Simply replace 'large wyverns' with wolves and bears, or whatever predatory creature was native to a particular region.). For another thing, as mentioned by other tropers, you assume that people would actively waste resources and energy hunting down everything that moves in a game like this where your supplies are a very VERY precious commodity and to be used wisely... Finally, on a closing note, yes Vespoids deserve to die and I hope they burn in hell, [[GoddamnBats god damn giant wasps]].

** It JustBugsMe that the argument by the original troper automatically assumes that the player is the only one who kills other monsters, when the wyverns and dragons will actively go after the herbivores/smaller creatures when tired/weakened, hell, most of the time I let the bigger monster kill off the small fry for me before jumping into the fray if I can help it. As for 'eating their babies' thats not nearly as barbaric as you make it sound. Since we do that with chickens, we harvest their eggs and butcher them for meat (which, if anything is worse than simply hunting down the monster and taking its eggs. And again, consider the time period. While some of the missions are rather frivolous (The Congalala ones especially), they are just as often out of necessity (pelts for clothing, meat for food, fluids for medicine, driving off large wyverns like Khezu and Tigrex that are eating livestock), this is how human culture used to be before we had massproduceable synthetic materials (Simply replace 'large wyverns' with wolves and bears, or whatever predatory creature was native to a particular region.). For another thing, as mentioned by other tropers, you assume that people would actively waste resources and energy hunting down everything that moves in a game like this where your supplies are a very VERY precious commodity and to be used wisely... Finally, on a closing note, yes Vespoids deserve to die and I hope they burn in hell, [[GoddamnBats god damn giant wasps]].

*** What really bugs me is how people think we are so mindless that we'll lose all respect for animals and get the urge to kill them by playing a game about hunting fictional beasts. This troper is an animal lover and likes Monster Hunter a lot, because he can tell the difference between a game and the reality, and is sure he's not the only one who can.

*** Lao and Fatalis aren't just defending themselves, though. Lao simply stomps everything in his path until he meets overly strong resistance and I don't think Fatalis earned the title "Embodiment of Evil" for nothing. From what I remember, it had that classic flying-around and burning villages dragon thing going on, so...

*** First off, I didn't buy the game, I received it for Christmas. Second, I play the game simply because it is just that, a game. There are no real life consequences. Third, the thing that really bugs me is how closely it mirrors the real life reaction to any animal that is half way dangerous: KILL IT. Just because Lao and Fatalis don't stop to consider why people are attacking them, they just defend themselves. It should be up to the people, the animals with the "intelligence" to know better. I also find it hard to believe that creatures that live in the Tundra and the Volcano, areas that hurt you just by being there, are endangering peoples' lives on a daily basis.

** So wait, let me get this straight. You're pro-ethical treatment of animals, and yet you go out to buy a game '''explicitly titled''' ''Monster Hunter'', and then complain about the core aspect of the game - the merciless slaughter of hundreds of creatures for a fancy hat? Now that - that [[TitleDrop just bugs me]].

** First off, Felynes and Shakalaka (as far as I know) don't really die. They just dig underground to heal. So it's ComedicSociopathy at worst (remember how felynes blowing themselves up is played for laughs?). Besides, who would attack felynes without a reason? They're peaceful unless provoked. Melnyx are another thing, but they only get what's coming to them for trying to rob you. As for the herbivore-class...well, do you go around killing these randomly? I sure don't. If I'm out to hunt a wyvern, attacking anything else would be a waste of weapon sharpness. The only reason I kill them is when I'm in need for Raw Meat. Or, as for the desert-variant, if they're the ones attacking first. Sure, preventive attack for self-defense on their side, but attacking is still their fault. As for preying on wyverns and their eggs...well, welcome to nature. That's just what hunters DO. Killing a creature and taking its ressources. The only thing a hunter can do to honor his prey is giving it a chance to fight and not letting his kill go to waste. If they retreat, they'd ever die anyway from their injuries (provided you wouldn't chase after them to finish the job) or make a full recovery and come back for more. In either case, finishing what you started is either necesarry, or more merciful. Most of the time, you're hunting them for survival, anyway. When you aren't, it's just preying on them for fun and profit. So what? That may not be the most considerate thing to do, but it's not like Lao or Fatalis consider what humans do, either. Basically, unless there is a way to coexist (which seems unlikely, considering some of their behaviour patterns) it's going to end in extinction either way. Either for humans, or for wyverns. So one can at least make the best of it and don't let the trophies of these glorious beasts go to waste. These are somewhat primitive societies anyway that may not even realize the extent of their actions or see any reason to show mercy to the creatures regularly wasting their villages.

** Therein lies the issue. It's trying to get to it's home or nest, a place where it should feel safe and secure. Which is exactly what your village should feel like to you. But you'll pursue it and continue to beat it over the head with a massive hammer. And what about Aptonoth and Epioth, which do nothing but walk/swim around and still get slaughtered in huge numbers? Most of the quests amount basically to this: "This _________ came out of nowhere and scared me. Please hunt it down and slaughter it without mercy". Even better are the quests where you are raiding a monsters NEST to find the EGGS so you can bring them to someone who wants to COOK AND EAT the BABIES!! What does the parent animal get for trying to protect the nest? Death! What about that is not F'ed up?

** You have to assume this is like the olden days where NOT going out and killing monsters results in your village being destroyed. As far as I know, each quest comes with a small tidbit of info as to why you're killing the monster (destroying crops, attacking villagers, etc). sure, it seems inhumane to chase a monster trying to get away, but where does it get away to? To its home where it sleeps the injuries off (rather quickly, I might add), and continues to be a nuisance.

** ItGetsWorse. The felyne are completely sentient. You talk to them on the farm, in your house, and in the city. And then you can go outside and [[CompleteMonster pound them into the ground with an electric hammer.]]

* The complete lack of any respect at all for any non human, felyne, or shakalaka creature simply appalls this troper. While the only game in the series he has currently played is Monster Hunter Tri, he generally expects the treatment of the creatures to be pretty terrible as a whole in a series called Monster Hunter, but still, shouldn't the hunters at least show a little respect for the creature that they just took half an hour to beat to death with a hammer made from the bones of their brethren? Think about it from the monsters' point of view. They've just moved into the area, maybe to look for some food, or to escape from some bad weather or whatnot, or maybe just find somewhere to sleep, and then bam, before they know it, someone shows up to beat/slash/poke/shoot them to death. Why? Because they want a new set of armor. Granted, most of the monsters are MORE than capable of defending themselves and are a danger to the human residents, but as an animal lover, who believes that any creature placed on this earth is worthy of human respect and compassion, this troper always feels pretty bad about chasing down and finishing off an animal that is desperately trying to limp away from you. It doesn't help that the creatures in this game behave almost disturbingly realistically, aside from spitting lighting and all that. Whats more disturbing is that people routinely treat animals like this in real life.

* The complete lack of any respect at all for any non human, felyne, or shakalaka creature simply appalls this troper. While the only game in the series he has currently played is Monster Hunter Tri, he generally expects the treatment of the creatures to be pretty terrible as a whole in a series called Monster Hunter, but still, shouldn't the hunters at least show a little respect for the creature that they just took half an hour to beat to death with a hammer made from the bones of their brethren? Think about it from the monsters' point of view. They've just moved into the area, maybe to look for some food, or to escape from some bad weather or whatnot, or maybe just find somewhere to sleep, and then bam, before they know it, someone shows up to beat/slash/poke/shoot them to death. Why? Because they want a new set of armor. Granted, most of the monsters are MORE than capable of defending themselves and are a danger to the human residents, but as an animal lover, who believes that any creature placed on this earth is worthy of human respect and compassion, this troper always feels pretty bad about chasing down and finishing off an animal that is desperately trying to limp away from you. It doesn't help that the creatures in this game behave almost disturbingly realistically, aside from spitting lighting and all that. Whats more disturbing is that people routinely treat animals like this in real life.

* The way the Kirin and Yamatsukami are lumped in with the Elder Dragons, is really annoying. All the "real" Elder Dragons are the true bosses of the game, with so much health that they require multiple missions to take down, with damage that carries over across missions. These two don't exhibit that behavior because, well, they aren't Elder Dragons. They don't even look remotely draconic - Kirin is a unicorn-like creature (which would put in the Pelagus category, if anything) and Yamatsukami is an EldritchAbomination (specifically a [[StarfishAliens Starfish Alien]]. Would it have been too much effort to list them as Unique, or even Unclassified?

*** This troper had a bit of a laugh at one time thanks to the Rhenoplos. While I had bigger fish to fry, they were just as much of a threat to me as they were with the Barroth I was fighting - one even knocked the Barroth down and I got a clear shot at its tail afterwards! Ah, the wonders of friendly fire.