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** The Reaver may grant the ability to see the Elder God but the Elder God still needs to be there to be seen. He manifests in a lot of places but not everywhere and there's no particular indication of his direct involvement in Blood Omen 2. So Vorador likely ''could'' see the Elder God but never ''did.''

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** The Reaver may grant the ability to see the Elder God but the Elder God still needs to be there to be seen. He manifests in a lot of places but not everywhere and there's no particular indication of his direct involvement in Blood Omen 2. So Vorador likely ''could'' see the Elder God (assuming that was how Kain brought him back) but never ''did.''actually did.

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** The Reaver may grant the ability to see the Elder God but the Elder God still needs to be there to be seen. He manifests in a lot of places but not everywhere and there's no particular indication of his direct involvement in Blood Omen 2. So Vorador likely ''could'' see the Elder God but never ''did.''


*** I believe it's this. Kain did say in [=SR2=] that he only needs to pass the time until Raziel fulfils his destiny (or something along these lines), so I guess, when vampire Raz grew wings, Kain threw him in the Abyss and went forward in time (probably "stopping" every decade or so to give out some commands to his lieutenants) to meet him when he comes back. Either that, or Kain's evolution was not physical but mental (or soul or something).

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*** I believe it's this. Kain did say in [=SR2=] that he only needs to pass the time until Raziel fulfils fulfills his destiny (or something along these lines), so I guess, when vampire Raz grew wings, Kain threw him in the Abyss and went forward in time (probably "stopping" every decade or so to give out some commands to his lieutenants) to meet him when he comes back. Either that, or Kain's evolution was not physical but mental (or soul or something).



*** What makes sense? The fact that the blade didn't go berserk when Raziel entered by choice in the end of Defiance instead of resisting like he did in Soul Reaver 2? It may be true. But still doesnt explain why the "sense of displacement and distortion" that its normally associated with paradox by having two Soul Reavers together doesn't appear in the Defiance bit in the end. After all, you can't say that it didn't happen because it was meant to happen anyway because guess what? That time when Raziel was supposed to kill Kain in William's Chapel and the imprisonment of Raziel in the Reaver later on were ALSO meant to happen as the timeline wanted.......but they didn't happen. Yet somehow the distortion is missing in Defiance, developers being lazy much?

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*** What makes sense? The fact that the blade didn't go berserk when Raziel entered by choice in the end of Defiance instead of resisting like he did in Soul Reaver 2? It may be true. But still doesnt doesn't explain why the "sense of displacement and distortion" that its normally associated with paradox by having two Soul Reavers together doesn't appear in the Defiance bit in the end. After all, you can't say that it didn't happen because it was meant to happen anyway because guess what? That time when Raziel was supposed to kill Kain in William's Chapel and the imprisonment of Raziel in the Reaver later on were ALSO meant to happen as the timeline wanted.......but they didn't happen. Yet somehow the distortion is missing in Defiance, developers being lazy much?



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EG is shown to constantly manipulate everyone, who is so much within six degrees of separation with him, for his own petty egoistic gluttonous ends. And doesn't particularly care about the rest of the world, as long as people keep dieing.

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EG is shown to constantly manipulate everyone, who is so much within six degrees of separation with him, for his own petty egoistic gluttonous ends. And doesn't particularly care about the rest of the world, as long as people keep dieing.dying.



** The thing of it is we don't actually know what Nosgoth's afterlife is supposed to be like. We have WordOfGod that the Elder God is not a god but a parasite feeding on Nosgoth. As such his Wheel isn't the natural state of the afterlife. Maybe the Spectral Realm was originally a paradise that you spent some time in before returning to life with full memories of your time there or even stayed there forever and new souls were created by some means. Maybe it was even worse than it is now. There do seem to be other options for the dead than the Wheel, such as the hell-like place Kain is sent to a couple of times. We don't know and we can't, 'cos none of the time travelling goes back far enough to see Nosgoth before the Elder God began sucking on it. We never go further than the Sarafan age and the Elder God started out (or possibly arrived from...elsewhere) long before the Pillars were raised. As such whether the afterlife was better/could be better again is impossible to say.

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** The thing of it is we don't actually know what Nosgoth's afterlife is supposed to be like. We have WordOfGod that the Elder God is not a god but a parasite feeding on Nosgoth. As such his Wheel isn't the natural state of the afterlife. Maybe the Spectral Realm was originally a paradise that you spent some time in before returning to life with full memories of your time there or even stayed there forever and new souls were created by some means. Maybe it was even worse than it is now. There do seem to be other options for the dead than the Wheel, such as the hell-like place Kain is sent to a couple of times. We don't know and we can't, 'cos none of the time travelling traveling goes back far enough to see Nosgoth before the Elder God began sucking on it. We never go further than the Sarafan age and the Elder God started out (or possibly arrived from...elsewhere) long before the Pillars were raised. As such whether the afterlife was better/could be better again is impossible to say.



*** I am actually surpriced that the Elder God didnt shut down the portal as soon Kain leaped into that pool of water WITH the portal on top. It would have been actually pretty funny seeing the Elder God doing PSYCH! With Kain in mid air. Falling that he could just let him be trapped in the time wormhole closing both sides of the portals and problem solved

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*** I am actually surpriced surprised that the Elder God didnt didn't shut down the portal as soon Kain leaped into that pool of water WITH the portal on top. It would have been actually pretty funny seeing the Elder God doing PSYCH! With Kain in mid air. Falling that he could just let him be trapped in the time wormhole closing both sides of the portals and problem solved



** In all fairness the women Moebius' mercenary army, the only human combat organisation to have lots of female members, do dress perfectly sensibly in ''Soul Reaver 2'' and ''Defiance.'' The leather is a bit form-fitting but then the same can be said of the men's outfits.

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** In all fairness the women Moebius' mercenary army, the only human combat organisation organization to have lots of female members, do dress perfectly sensibly in ''Soul Reaver 2'' and ''Defiance.'' The leather is a bit form-fitting but then the same can be said of the men's outfits.



** Actually i believe that they are more like Well Intensioned Extremists if we consider that the wiping of all living creatures in Nosgoth as a safe way to ensure that the Elder God died and doesnt manipulate anyone forever. The problem with this idea is that i dont know how the Hylden knew that the Elder God isnt a god per se but a creature acting like one to the Ancient Vampires or how they do EVEN know if this plan is going to work. Sure, all creatures will be dead but i am sure that after many milenias the world eventually will have life again or at least the Hylden will become the dominant race that after a bunch of time they will evolve in different races that will replenish the planet.

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** Actually i believe that they are more like Well Intensioned Extremists if we consider that the wiping of all living creatures in Nosgoth as a safe way to ensure that the Elder God died and doesnt doesn't manipulate anyone forever. The problem with this idea is that i dont don't know how the Hylden knew that the Elder God isnt isn't a god per se but a creature acting like one to the Ancient Vampires or how they do EVEN know if this plan is going to work. Sure, all creatures will be dead but i am sure that after many milenias millennia the world eventually will have life again or at least the Hylden will become the dominant race that after a bunch of time they will evolve in different races that will replenish the planet.



* Why Kain or Raziel they never try to meet their younger selves? wont that create a paradox they need? even if that doesnt work it would be nice to see that. To see how the younger Kain would even react and to see how several acts of this kind actually serves to reinforce the fact that destiny isnt going to give in so easily.

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* Why Kain or Raziel they never try to meet their younger selves? wont that create a paradox they need? even if that doesnt work it would be nice to see that. To see how the younger Kain would even react and to see how several acts of this kind actually serves to reinforce the fact that destiny isnt isn't going to give in so easily.



* Why the Elder God doesnt try to brainwash Raziel during the many times he could do it? i mean, i know that calling it a god and being able to do such thing is debatable but he HAS some non human minions that return souls to the wheel and you did think that he would do something like that on Raziel

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* Why the Elder God doesnt doesn't try to brainwash Raziel during the many times he could do it? i mean, i know that calling it a god and being able to do such thing is debatable but he HAS some non human minions that return souls to the wheel and you did think that he would do something like that on Raziel Raziel



* Just what was the final boss in Blood Omen meant to be, we know that he was retconed into being the Hylden Lord but when Blood Omen was just a stand alone game, what was he, just a random demon messing with the world for laughs? He just turns up after Mortanius dies and reveals he was behind it all but why, why did he need to posses Mortanius, what was his motive and was there any foreshadowing about him at all? I heard that originally Mortanius was the villain and did everything himself and would have been the final boss so why did they add a random demon to appear at the end? It only makes sense now because of the other games and him being written as the Hylden Lord but what was it originally?

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* Just what was the final boss in Blood Omen meant to be, we know that he was retconed retconned into being the Hylden Lord but when Blood Omen was just a stand alone game, what was he, just a random demon messing with the world for laughs? He just turns up after Mortanius dies and reveals he was behind it all but why, why did he need to posses Mortanius, what was his motive and was there any foreshadowing about him at all? I heard that originally Mortanius was the villain and did everything himself and would have been the final boss so why did they add a random demon to appear at the end? It only makes sense now because of the other games and him being written as the Hylden Lord but what was it originally?



** The pillars need to be controlled by vampires because humans are not able to keep them working as well as they should, that's why they were able to be brought down eventually. Vampires are also needed to keep out the Hylden because they want to destroy all life that isn't hylden. The war between them caused so much damage that the pillars are needed to give life to nosgoth as well as keeping the hylden from returning, maybe the Hylden were once good, turning evil due to the war that the vampires started thanks to the elder god but as of now, the best thing for nosgoth is no more Hylden, more vampires and peace betweeen vampires and humans.

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** The pillars need to be controlled by vampires because humans are not able to keep them working as well as they should, that's why they were able to be brought down eventually. Vampires are also needed to keep out the Hylden because they want to destroy all life that isn't hylden. The war between them caused so much damage that the pillars are needed to give life to nosgoth as well as keeping the hylden from returning, maybe the Hylden were once good, turning evil due to the war that the vampires started thanks to the elder god but as of now, the best thing for nosgoth is no more Hylden, more vampires and peace betweeen between vampires and humans.



*** they were apes that the hylden advanced for experiments, the vampires then took pity and tried to live in peace with them, only taking a few to be guardiands, then elder god tricks them into killing off the vampiers making them vunerable again to the hylden returning and dont even bother to find out whats going on or think for themselves, rather just follow mobius or a hylden possesed puppet. if they had just trusted the vampires they would have been best off, now thay are getting scrwed from all sides and the only vampires left know nothing of the ancient vampires role in nosgoth and have been turned into another enemy for humans due to their mistreatment and being hunted.

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*** they were apes that the hylden advanced for experiments, the vampires then took pity and tried to live in peace with them, only taking a few to be guardiands, guardians, then elder god tricks them into killing off the vampiers vampires making them vunerable vulnerable again to the hylden returning and dont even bother to find out whats going on or think for themselves, rather just follow mobius or a hylden possesed possessed puppet. if they had just trusted the vampires they would have been best off, now thay they are getting scrwed screwed from all sides and the only vampires left know nothing of the ancient vampires role in nosgoth and have been turned into another enemy for humans due to their mistreatment and being hunted.



*** The vampires treated humans fairly and was at peace with them until they were cursed with bloodlust, even then they tried to keep it under control, and only infected humans to replace them as guardians. its just the elder god tricked them into thinking that they needed to rise up and kill them all just so he could keep eating souls, vampires were never the plauge on mankind that they thought they were but after most of them were killed and the only ones around are younger and know nothing about their ancient history and live in a world where they are hunted and so would be agresive to humans.
*** Humanity is incapable of governing the pillars, their minds are too easily manipulated. Hylden managed to control Mortanius to kill Ariel and cause the corruption of the pillars. That is the reason why humans are unsuitable to be guardians. Once pillars were shattered, due to Kain's refusal to sacrifice himself, they could even exert control over Janos. Humans are like humans of old tales, easily controlled by more powerful forces, while vampires are quite more resilient to such powers. If pillars were pristine and vampires were guarding them Hylden could at best just control some random shmuck.
*** It's probably also worth pointing out that Raziel was much more likely condmening ''why and how'' the Sarafan do what they do, rather than condemning ''what'' they do. Vampires preying upon humans need to be stopped, sure, no argument there. But the Sarafan are fanatics who take an inordinate ''joy'' in the slaughter of the vampires. They are not pious men doing what needs to be done in the name of justice and righteousness and the sanctity and preservation of life. They are, plain and simple, violent fanatics who have risen to the top of the one organization in their lifetimes that gives them the greatest license to indulge in their violence and fanaticism. From Raziel's own description, the highest-ranking members of the Sarafan brotherhood (himself included) were as fanatically loyal to Kain as they had been to the Sarafan cause. They would always serve someone who could give them power and influence (and an opportunity for wanton and unchecked violence) with the utmost devotion. In the age of the Sarafan, it was the Sarafan brotherhood. In the age of Kain's empire, it was Kain. There was otherwise no difference in personality between their human selves and their vampire selves. Or to put it another way: Do you sincerely believe that, should they have succeeded in wiping out the vampires completely, they would have gone on to live normal lives in peace and harmony? Or does it seem more likely, from what we see of them even as humans in ''Soul Reaver 2'', that they would have then turned their attention to some other enemy that needed to be violently wiped out? Smart money is on the latter, and that is manifestly ''not'' "only" fighting against a predatory species. The vampires, at least, have the excuse of operating under a curse they have no idea how to break. Although many of the Ancient Vampires do seem to have turned evil (or to have done things that must have seemed necessarily evil to them, such as making vampires out of humans in order to serve the Pillars), a large number committed suicide in horror once they understood what they had become (sterile, requiring blood to survive, and utterly cut off from their god; and please remember on that last point that they were unaware just how much of a blessing that would have been). We don't know how many of them became evil and how many offed themselves in despair, but the latter must have been a large number, judging by the fact that it was remarked upon in the murals as a major historical event. This indicates that a significant number of them were decent enough to hate being what they were, and were therefore not just parasites.
* The reason the hylden were able to attack so directly was because humans were too weak to keep the seal, if vampires were still guarding they would not have even managed that let alone getting completley free later on. the trouble is that humans are much younger than the other races of nosgoth and just follow whoever tricks them first. You claim things were going fine until the hylden started their plot? well thats the point, the fact that the hylden returned shows how badly humans screwed up, vampires are needed to keep the hylden out and the humans were fucking things up for them and in the long run for themselves.

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*** The vampires treated humans fairly and was at peace with them until they were cursed with bloodlust, even then they tried to keep it under control, and only infected humans to replace them as guardians. its just the elder god tricked them into thinking that they needed to rise up and kill them all just so he could keep eating souls, vampires were never the plauge plague on mankind that they thought they were but after most of them were killed and the only ones around are younger and know nothing about their ancient history and live in a world where they are hunted and so would be agresive aggressive to humans.
*** Humanity is incapable of governing the pillars, their minds are too easily manipulated. Hylden managed to control Mortanius to kill Ariel and cause the corruption of the pillars. That is the reason why humans are unsuitable to be guardians. Once pillars were shattered, due to Kain's refusal to sacrifice himself, they could even exert control over Janos. Humans are like humans of old tales, easily controlled by more powerful forces, while vampires are quite more resilient to such powers. If pillars were pristine and vampires were guarding them Hylden could at best just control some random shmuck.
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*** It's probably also worth pointing out that Raziel was much more likely condmening condemning ''why and how'' the Sarafan do what they do, rather than condemning ''what'' they do. Vampires preying upon humans need to be stopped, sure, no argument there. But the Sarafan are fanatics who take an inordinate ''joy'' in the slaughter of the vampires. They are not pious men doing what needs to be done in the name of justice and righteousness and the sanctity and preservation of life. They are, plain and simple, violent fanatics who have risen to the top of the one organization in their lifetimes that gives them the greatest license to indulge in their violence and fanaticism. From Raziel's own description, the highest-ranking members of the Sarafan brotherhood (himself included) were as fanatically loyal to Kain as they had been to the Sarafan cause. They would always serve someone who could give them power and influence (and an opportunity for wanton and unchecked violence) with the utmost devotion. In the age of the Sarafan, it was the Sarafan brotherhood. In the age of Kain's empire, it was Kain. There was otherwise no difference in personality between their human selves and their vampire selves. Or to put it another way: Do you sincerely believe that, should they have succeeded in wiping out the vampires completely, they would have gone on to live normal lives in peace and harmony? Or does it seem more likely, from what we see of them even as humans in ''Soul Reaver 2'', that they would have then turned their attention to some other enemy that needed to be violently wiped out? Smart money is on the latter, and that is manifestly ''not'' "only" fighting against a predatory species. The vampires, at least, have the excuse of operating under a curse they have no idea how to break. Although many of the Ancient Vampires do seem to have turned evil (or to have done things that must have seemed necessarily evil to them, such as making vampires out of humans in order to serve the Pillars), a large number committed suicide in horror once they understood what they had become (sterile, requiring blood to survive, and utterly cut off from their god; and please remember on that last point that they were unaware just how much of a blessing that would have been). We don't know how many of them became evil and how many offed themselves in despair, but the latter must have been a large number, judging by the fact that it was remarked upon in the murals as a major historical event. This indicates that a significant number of them were decent enough to hate being what they were, and were therefore not just parasites.
parasites.
* The reason the hylden were able to attack so directly was because humans were too weak to keep the seal, if vampires were still guarding they would not have even managed that let alone getting completley completely free later on. the trouble is that humans are much younger than the other races of nosgoth and just follow whoever tricks them first. You claim things were going fine until the hylden started their plot? well thats the point, the fact that the hylden returned shows how badly humans screwed up, vampires are needed to keep the hylden out and the humans were fucking things up for them and in the long run for themselves.



** We could assume that normal humans in Nosgoth are actually quite a lot tougher than real life humans. Well, in reality, I think the answer is that the game wouldn't have been challenging otherwise, but whatever.\\
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It's not like the humans are really shown as ''weak'' even if unintentionally. Probably the worst examples come from Blood Omen 2 where Kain was able to ''impale a lowly peasant to the hilt of his sword, then throw them on the ground and they wouldn't as much as limp''. Also, literally putting a blade ''through somebody's brain'' wouldn't kill them. But [=BO2=] was also...umm, not that realistic in many other respects - it is, frankly, a bit surprising that decapitating somebody isn't OnlyAFleshWound. In [=SR2=] we see that the Reaver blade, which is the ultimate weapon that the Ancients devised (well, against the Hylden, but still) isn't that effective against people - you really have to give those Sarafan a very good beating until they go down. And all the while their very blood is being sucked right out of their veins. Kain also uses the same blade throughout Defiance and humans don't seem to be ''that'' bothered that they are being hit with a mysterious sword that empties their veins with each strike. Even when the sword starts causing them to be on fire they seem to take it in stride (all things considering, that is). Don't know about you but I'd certainly look a little more hurt if somebody hits me with a giant sword, my blood escapes through the wound and I am also set ablaze afterwards. Just seems like something that would hurt a bit more than depicted in Defiance. Not to mention that Kain himself is not a pushover, either - he is literally more than a thousand years old and also literally inhumanly strong. I think any normal human shouldn't really survive a hit from him regardless of whether Kain is using a sword which is very, very good at killing or not.\\
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** We could assume that normal humans in Nosgoth are actually quite a lot tougher than real life humans. Well, in reality, I think the answer is that the game wouldn't have been challenging otherwise, but whatever.\\
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It's not like the humans are really shown as ''weak'' even if unintentionally. Probably the worst examples come from Blood Omen 2 where Kain was able to ''impale a lowly peasant to the hilt of his sword, then throw them on the ground and they wouldn't as much as limp''. Also, literally putting a blade ''through somebody's brain'' wouldn't kill them. But [=BO2=] was also...umm, not that realistic in many other respects - it is, frankly, a bit surprising that decapitating somebody isn't OnlyAFleshWound. In [=SR2=] we see that the Reaver blade, which is the ultimate weapon that the Ancients devised (well, against the Hylden, but still) isn't that effective against people - you really have to give those Sarafan a very good beating until they go down. And all the while their very blood is being sucked right out of their veins. Kain also uses the same blade throughout Defiance and humans don't seem to be ''that'' bothered that they are being hit with a mysterious sword that empties their veins with each strike. Even when the sword starts causing them to be on fire they seem to take it in stride (all things considering, that is). Don't know about you but I'd certainly look a little more hurt if somebody hits me with a giant sword, my blood escapes through the wound and I am also set ablaze afterwards. Just seems like something that would hurt a bit more than depicted in Defiance. Not to mention that Kain himself is not a pushover, either - he is literally more than a thousand years old and also literally inhumanly strong. I think any normal human shouldn't really survive a hit from him regardless of whether Kain is using a sword which is very, very good at killing or not.\\
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** Obviously Vorador made more, hence why there's a viable population to be victimised by the ''Blood Omen'' era. But he has stated that the process of doing so is difficult, time-consuming and tiring. He's not going to be able to whip up an army in the time it'd take the Sarafan to restructure their leadership. Even the few he could create would be fledgelings, unlikely to handle the army that already managed to wipe out the vampire's best. Besides, they didn't lose all their leadership; Moebius is still around.
* I think I have both an answer and a question regarding how [[spoiler: Vorador is alive in ''Blood Omen 2'' when he should've been executed in the first ''Blood Omen'' game.]] I'll start with the answer first: do you know that in ''Defiance'', Raziel was able to [[spoiler:ressurect Janos Audron by using his Wraith Blade to mend his wounds?]] So, this must have been done in the same manner to [[spoiler:ressurect Vorador by the future Kain in ''Defiance'' with the use of his Soul Reaver.]] Afterwards, the future Kain must have told Vorador to aid the past Kain in the events of ''Blood Omen 2'', thus creating a BootstrapParadox. But here's this catch: the future Kain's Soul Reaver has been made into the Purified Reaver in the end of ''Defiance'', meaning that anyone that has been healed by the Purified Reaver is granted the ability to [[spoiler: see the [[EldritchAbomination Elder God]].]] So was Vorador able to [[spoiler:see the Elder God during the events of ''Blood Omen 2''?]] If so, why hasn't he mention any of this to the past Kain?

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** Obviously Vorador made more, hence why there's a viable population to be victimised by the ''Blood Omen'' era. But he has stated that the process of doing so is difficult, time-consuming and tiring. He's not going to be able to whip up an army in the time it'd take the Sarafan to restructure their leadership. Even the few he could create would be fledgelings, fledglings, unlikely to handle the army that already managed to wipe out the vampire's best. Besides, they didn't lose all their leadership; Moebius is still around.
* I think I have both an answer and a question regarding how [[spoiler: Vorador is alive in ''Blood Omen 2'' when he should've been executed in the first ''Blood Omen'' game.]] I'll start with the answer first: do you know that in ''Defiance'', Raziel was able to [[spoiler:ressurect [[spoiler:resurrect Janos Audron by using his Wraith Blade to mend his wounds?]] So, this must have been done in the same manner to [[spoiler:ressurect [[spoiler:resurrect Vorador by the future Kain in ''Defiance'' with the use of his Soul Reaver.]] Afterwards, the future Kain must have told Vorador to aid the past Kain in the events of ''Blood Omen 2'', thus creating a BootstrapParadox. But here's this catch: the future Kain's Soul Reaver has been made into the Purified Reaver in the end of ''Defiance'', meaning that anyone that has been healed by the Purified Reaver is granted the ability to [[spoiler: see the [[EldritchAbomination Elder God]].]] So was Vorador able to [[spoiler:see the Elder God during the events of ''Blood Omen 2''?]] If so, why hasn't he mention any of this to the past Kain?


* I think I have both an answer and a question regarding how [[spoiler: Vorador is alive in ''Blood Omen 2'' when he should've been executed in the first ''Blood Omen'' game.]] I'll start with the answer first: do you know that in ''Defiance'', Raziel was able to [[spoiler:ressurect Janos Audron by using his Wraith Blade to mend his wounds.]] So, this was done in the same manner to [[spoiler:ressurect Vorador by the future Kain in ''Defiance'' with the use of his Soul Reaver.]] Afterwards, the future Kain must have told Vorador to aid the past Kain in the events of ''Blood Omen 2'', thus creating a BootstrapParadox. But here's this catch: the future Kain's Soul Reaver has been made into the Purified Reaver in the end of ''Defiance'', meaning that anyone that has been healed by the Purified Reaver is granted the ability to [[spoiler: see the [[EldritchAbomination Elder God]].]] So was Vorador able to [[spoiler:see the Elder God during the events of ''Blood Omen 2''?]] If so, why hasn't he mention any of this to the past Kain?

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* I think I have both an answer and a question regarding how [[spoiler: Vorador is alive in ''Blood Omen 2'' when he should've been executed in the first ''Blood Omen'' game.]] I'll start with the answer first: do you know that in ''Defiance'', Raziel was able to [[spoiler:ressurect Janos Audron by using his Wraith Blade to mend his wounds.]] wounds?]] So, this was must have been done in the same manner to [[spoiler:ressurect Vorador by the future Kain in ''Defiance'' with the use of his Soul Reaver.]] Afterwards, the future Kain must have told Vorador to aid the past Kain in the events of ''Blood Omen 2'', thus creating a BootstrapParadox. But here's this catch: the future Kain's Soul Reaver has been made into the Purified Reaver in the end of ''Defiance'', meaning that anyone that has been healed by the Purified Reaver is granted the ability to [[spoiler: see the [[EldritchAbomination Elder God]].]] So was Vorador able to [[spoiler:see the Elder God during the events of ''Blood Omen 2''?]] If so, why hasn't he mention any of this to the past Kain?


* I think I have both an answer and a question regarding how [[spoiler: Vorador is alive in ''Blood Omen 2'' when he should've been executed in the first ''Blood Omen'' game.]] I'll start with the answer first: do you know that in ''Defiance'', Raziel was able to [[spoiler:ressurect Janos Audron by using his Wraith Blade to mend his wounds.]] So, this was done in the same manner to [[spoiler:ressurect Vorador by the future Kain in ''Defiance'' with the use of his Soul Reaver.]] Afterwards, the future Kain must have told Vorador to aid the past Kain in the events of ''Blood Omen 2'', thus creating a BootstrapParadox. But here's this catch: the future Kain's Soul Reaver has been made into the Purified Reaver in the end of ''Defiance'', meaning that anyone that has been healed by the Purified Reaver is granted the ability to [[spoiler: see the [[EldritchAbomination Elder God]].]] So was Vorador able to [[see the Elder God during the events of ''Blood Omen 2''?]] If so, why hasn't he mention any of this to the past Kain?

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* I think I have both an answer and a question regarding how [[spoiler: Vorador is alive in ''Blood Omen 2'' when he should've been executed in the first ''Blood Omen'' game.]] I'll start with the answer first: do you know that in ''Defiance'', Raziel was able to [[spoiler:ressurect Janos Audron by using his Wraith Blade to mend his wounds.]] So, this was done in the same manner to [[spoiler:ressurect Vorador by the future Kain in ''Defiance'' with the use of his Soul Reaver.]] Afterwards, the future Kain must have told Vorador to aid the past Kain in the events of ''Blood Omen 2'', thus creating a BootstrapParadox. But here's this catch: the future Kain's Soul Reaver has been made into the Purified Reaver in the end of ''Defiance'', meaning that anyone that has been healed by the Purified Reaver is granted the ability to [[spoiler: see the [[EldritchAbomination Elder God]].]] So was Vorador able to [[see [[spoiler:see the Elder God during the events of ''Blood Omen 2''?]] If so, why hasn't he mention any of this to the past Kain?

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* I think I have both an answer and a question regarding how [[spoiler: Vorador is alive in ''Blood Omen 2'' when he should've been executed in the first ''Blood Omen'' game.]] I'll start with the answer first: do you know that in ''Defiance'', Raziel was able to [[spoiler:ressurect Janos Audron by using his Wraith Blade to mend his wounds.]] So, this was done in the same manner to [[spoiler:ressurect Vorador by the future Kain in ''Defiance'' with the use of his Soul Reaver.]] Afterwards, the future Kain must have told Vorador to aid the past Kain in the events of ''Blood Omen 2'', thus creating a BootstrapParadox. But here's this catch: the future Kain's Soul Reaver has been made into the Purified Reaver in the end of ''Defiance'', meaning that anyone that has been healed by the Purified Reaver is granted the ability to [[spoiler: see the [[EldritchAbomination Elder God]].]] So was Vorador able to [[see the Elder God during the events of ''Blood Omen 2''?]] If so, why hasn't he mention any of this to the past Kain?


*** This is rather supported by ''Defiance,'' where Raziel can only enter the physical realm by possessing corpses and changing them to look like his form and sure enough he seems able to turn part of the corpse into his scarf.

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*** This is rather supported by ''Defiance,'' where Raziel can only enter the physical realm by possessing corpses and changing them to look like his form and sure enough he seems able to turn part of the corpse into his scarf. Come to that his scarf vanishes like the rest of him when he's drawn into the Reaver so I think we can assume that it's part of him at this point.


** If it's all a big fake out then they are making a hell of sacrifice for it, since many of them get sucked in by Raziel or the Reaver, destroying their consciousness entirely just to keep Raziel on track to do what he wants to do anyway. On the spirit changing a corpse's shape that doesn't work as an explanation, as most of the corpses the Hylden possess are human in appearance, lacking the Hylden's wings, and some have Ancient style wing bones (as seen on the dead Pillar Guardians) which have npthing to do with the possessing spirit while only a very few have the Hylden style wings. Only Raziel is seen changing the shape of his possessed corpse and in his case the transformation is complete, no longer even looking like a corpse. Well, not more than he usually does.

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** If it's all a big fake out then they are making a hell of sacrifice for it, since many of them get sucked in by Raziel or the Reaver, destroying their consciousness entirely just to keep Raziel on track to do what he wants to do anyway. On the spirit changing a corpse's shape that doesn't work as an explanation, as most of the corpses the Hylden possess are human in appearance, lacking the Hylden's wings, and some have Ancient style wing bones (as seen on the dead Pillar Guardians) which have npthing nothing to do with the possessing spirit while only a very few have the Hylden style wings. Only Raziel is seen changing the shape of his possessed corpse and in his case the transformation is complete, no longer even looking like a corpse. Well, not more than he usually does.

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** Obviously Vorador made more, hence why there's a viable population to be victimised by the ''Blood Omen'' era. But he has stated that the process of doing so is difficult, time-consuming and tiring. He's not going to be able to whip up an army in the time it'd take the Sarafan to restructure their leadership. Even the few he could create would be fledgelings, unlikely to handle the army that already managed to wipe out the vampire's best. Besides, they didn't lose all their leadership; Moebius is still around.

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** Maybe Vorador made more. Maybe they weren't so close to the edge of extinction after all. Organizations that lose literally ''all of their leadership'' in a single attack don't always bounce back very well, after all.


*** Don't hold back now, tell us what you really think... Since you just had to bring it all up here we go; There are vampires because Vorador made more, Vorador is alive because the older Kain brought him back shortly after the events of ''Defiance,'' the Eternal Prison was built by the Ancients to contain their worst enemies, why wouldn't they put in a way to blow it up if such was required, the guardian is bonkers, of course the Hylden would make something to counter the vampires greatest weapon, the Hylden constructed the machines, they don't care about humans dying and every game has humans survive attacks that should instantly kill them, that's just a feature of the games. Blood Omen 2 is far from perfect and some of this wasn't revealed until later (although that could be said of a lot of plot elements in the series) but it's not as bad as you're making out. As to the Sarafan Lord he's got a flaming head, big whoop. Plenty of important humans have weirder looks in Nosgoth.

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*** Don't hold back now, tell us what you really think... Since you just had to bring it all up here we go; There are vampires because Vorador made more, Vorador is alive because the older Kain brought him back shortly after the events of ''Defiance,'' the Eternal Prison was built by the Ancients Ancients/Hylden/Elder God/someone to contain their worst enemies, why wouldn't they put in a way to blow it up if such was required, the guardian is bonkers, of course the Hylden would make something to counter the vampires greatest weapon, the Hylden constructed the machines, they don't care about humans dying and every game has humans survive attacks that should instantly kill them, that's just a feature of the games. Blood Omen 2 is far from perfect and some of this wasn't revealed until later (although that could be said of a lot of plot elements in the series) but it's not as bad as you're making out. As to the Sarafan Lord he's got a flaming head, big whoop. Plenty of important humans have weirder looks in Nosgoth.


** How exactly? The vampires were on the edge of extinction and Vorador was the last really impressive one left. Even taking into account Raziel and Kain's death toll they should still have had the numbers to win./

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** How exactly? The vampires were on the edge of extinction and Vorador was the last really impressive one left. Even taking into account Raziel and Kain's death toll they should still have had the numbers to win./ Especially since Moebius' thugs got the job done after the vampires had had 500 years to replenish their numbers and that mob were a lot less impressive warriors than the Sarafan.

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** How exactly? The vampires were on the edge of extinction and Vorador was the last really impressive one left. Even taking into account Raziel and Kain's death toll they should still have had the numbers to win./

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