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* Okay, from what I understand of the usual fictional time travel gimmick, affecting the past will and does have consequences on what happens in the future. KHR avoids this for the most part, since the entirety of the future arc...well, [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin is in the future]]. If the Vongola members had been given [[LaserGuidedAmnesia amnesia]] of some kind and at some point, that would've been fine. Only, they aren't, and they clearly retained all recollection of the things that happened ten years later as well as those handy dandy upgrades they picked up. So the fact that the younger Vongola members remember everything that happened in the future would mean that something in the future would be changed, right? Only it isn't. And that's not all - they bring back their box weapons. You know, the ones that are specifically stated to have been invented ''in the future''? And they went through a whole scene explaining why they couldn't bring them back before the went home! Why hasn't anyone in the past noticed the obvious leap in technology? Did the - admittedly short bit - of the future after the past Vongola go home that we see split into an AlternateUniverse? Is the timeline fractured? Is this a a future plot point? ''What's going on?''

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* Okay, from what I understand of the usual fictional time travel gimmick, affecting the past will and does have consequences on what happens in the future. KHR avoids this for the most part, since the entirety of the future arc...well, [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin is in the future]]. If the Vongola members had been given [[LaserGuidedAmnesia amnesia]] of some kind and at some point, that would've been fine. Only, they aren't, and they clearly retained all recollection of the things that happened ten years later as well as those handy dandy upgrades they picked up. So the fact that the younger Vongola members remember everything that happened in the future would mean that something in the future would be changed, right? Only it isn't. And that's not all - they bring back their box weapons. You know, the ones that are specifically stated to have been invented ''in the future''? And they went through a whole scene explaining why they couldn't bring them back before the went home! Why hasn't anyone in the past noticed the obvious leap in technology? Did the - admittedly short bit - of the future after the past Vongola go home that we see split into an AlternateUniverse? Is the timeline fractured? Is this a a future plot point? ''What's going on?''on?''
**Vongola Ring Weapons is kind of up in the air (probably that they can't be identified as being Box Weapons if they aren't boxes at all), but you're right about the alternate universe, that was the point of Uni bringing back the Arcobaleno. They Arcobaleno go into the past and seal the Mare Rings, thereby preventing that future from happening, and by extension making it worthless to know about what happens in that alternate universe.
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* When'll they use the Dethperation/Dying Will bullets again?

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* When'll they use the Dethperation/Dying Will bullets again?again?

* Okay, from what I understand of the usual fictional time travel gimmick, affecting the past will and does have consequences on what happens in the future. KHR avoids this for the most part, since the entirety of the future arc...well, [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin is in the future]]. If the Vongola members had been given [[LaserGuidedAmnesia amnesia]] of some kind and at some point, that would've been fine. Only, they aren't, and they clearly retained all recollection of the things that happened ten years later as well as those handy dandy upgrades they picked up. So the fact that the younger Vongola members remember everything that happened in the future would mean that something in the future would be changed, right? Only it isn't. And that's not all - they bring back their box weapons. You know, the ones that are specifically stated to have been invented ''in the future''? And they went through a whole scene explaining why they couldn't bring them back before the went home! Why hasn't anyone in the past noticed the obvious leap in technology? Did the - admittedly short bit - of the future after the past Vongola go home that we see split into an AlternateUniverse? Is the timeline fractured? Is this a a future plot point? ''What's going on?''
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* It bothers me that despite the fact Tsuna comes home pretty beat up and passed out, his mother doesn't seem to be as worried as she should be. I know they used the whole sumo wrestling competition as an excuse, but do you really get that beat up from sumo wrestling?
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** He was hiding when the fighting started, if that answers your question.

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** He was hiding when the fighting started, if that answers your question.question.

* When'll they use the Dethperation/Dying Will bullets again?
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** The sky acrobaleno are something onto themselves. They seem to be only (non-broken) ones capable of aging. Since they can age, they can...well, you know.
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* Where is Lambo at the [[spoiler:Inheritance Ceremony]]? He was shown on [[http://www.mymangaspot.com/series/Katekyo_Hitman_Reborn/295/1 Ryohei's]] [[http://www.mymangaspot.com/series/Katekyo_Hitman_Reborn/295/3 shoulder]], but wasn't there a [[few pages later]]. Was he an illusion? I mean, it makes sense that they wouldn't want a 5 year old at a serious event, but it looks like Lambo in the [[http://www.mymangaspot.com/series/Katekyo_Hitman_Reborn/295/11 top]] left panel, next to Ryohei. But then in a later [[http://www.mymangaspot.com/series/Katekyo_Hitman_Reborn/301/12 chapter]], Reborn says that they need to go wake up Lambo.

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* Where is Lambo at the [[spoiler:Inheritance Ceremony]]? He was shown on [[http://www.mymangaspot.com/series/Katekyo_Hitman_Reborn/295/1 Ryohei's]] [[http://www.mymangaspot.com/series/Katekyo_Hitman_Reborn/295/3 shoulder]], but wasn't there a [[few pages later]]. Was he an illusion? I mean, it makes sense that they wouldn't want a 5 year old at a serious event, but it looks like Lambo in the [[http://www.mymangaspot.com/series/Katekyo_Hitman_Reborn/295/11 top]] left panel, next to Ryohei. But then in a later [[http://www.mymangaspot.com/series/Katekyo_Hitman_Reborn/301/12 chapter]], Reborn says that they need to go wake up Lambo.Lambo.
** He was hiding when the fighting started, if that answers your question.
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* When [[spoiler:Fran]] is at the house 10 km away from the [[spoiler:Vendicare/Vindice]] with the rest of the [[spoiler:Kokuyo Gang]], after they broke [[spoiler:Mukuro]] out of prison, why is he still wearing the frog hat? After all, he doesn't want to wear it and the only reason he does is because [[spoiler:Bel]] makes him wear it as a tribute to [[spoiler:Mammon/Marmon/Viper]].

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* When [[spoiler:Fran]] is at the house 10 km away from the [[spoiler:Vendicare/Vindice]] with the rest of the [[spoiler:Kokuyo Gang]], after they broke [[spoiler:Mukuro]] out of prison, why is he still wearing the frog hat? After all, he doesn't want to wear it and the only reason he does is because [[spoiler:Bel]] makes him wear it as a tribute to [[spoiler:Mammon/Marmon/Viper]].[[spoiler:Mammon/Marmon/Viper]].

* Where is Lambo at the [[spoiler:Inheritance Ceremony]]? He was shown on [[http://www.mymangaspot.com/series/Katekyo_Hitman_Reborn/295/1 Ryohei's]] [[http://www.mymangaspot.com/series/Katekyo_Hitman_Reborn/295/3 shoulder]], but wasn't there a [[few pages later]]. Was he an illusion? I mean, it makes sense that they wouldn't want a 5 year old at a serious event, but it looks like Lambo in the [[http://www.mymangaspot.com/series/Katekyo_Hitman_Reborn/295/11 top]] left panel, next to Ryohei. But then in a later [[http://www.mymangaspot.com/series/Katekyo_Hitman_Reborn/301/12 chapter]], Reborn says that they need to go wake up Lambo.
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\n** Ok, that makes things a bit less messy. However, I'm still unsatisfied with the arc so far. Enma and the others might have had more training experience, but I find it [[WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief hard to believe]] that the enemies the Shimon fought were at the same level as the Millefiore. <:3

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** Oh okay that what you're asking. Well there are only a couple of reason that I could come up with (since the arc isn't done)
*** 1. The Shimon had to train themselves to avoid being destroyed, it would make sense that they were use to fighting for their lives. From Enma's description of how they are treated (especially him), it wasn't all that good. For all we know they could've more fighting experience than Tsuna and his guardians. Adelheid and Hibari were pretty even when they fought until she used flames to push back Hibari.
*** 2. Since I reread the fight with Yamamoto, it could just be the ability of the earth flame that Kaoru used to win as it hit Yamamoto really fast even though Yamamoto did seem to sense it and try to avoid it.

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** Ok, let me make myself clearer. The guy that took out Yamamoto took said swordsman out even before getting Sin. In other words, he was strong enough that a surprise attack (which Yamamoto would have otherwise avoided or blocked) was almost fatal. Without Sin. Meaning that these unknown guys were already at par with the Vongola well before their power-up. Now, I'm asking, how? If you take the Rings and the Sin out of the equation, these guys were still as strong as the Vongola, as strong as the guys who've basically outperformed their future selves and defeated a multiverse-conquering megalomaniac and his henchmen. That's what I'm asking: how did Shimon reach Vongola's level so that they only needed one power-up to CurbStomp everyone?

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** Ok, let me make myself clearer. The guy that took out Yamamoto took said swordsman out even before getting Sin. In other words, he was strong enough that a surprise attack (which Yamamoto would have otherwise avoided or blocked) was almost fatal. Without Sin. Meaning that these unknown guys were already at par with the Vongola well before their power-up. Now, I'm asking, how? If you take the Rings and the Sin out of the equation, these guys were still as strong as the Vongola, as strong as the guys who've basically outperformed their future selves and defeated a multiverse-conquering megalomaniac and his henchmen. That's what I'm asking: how did Shimon reach Vongola's level so that they only needed one power-up to CurbStomp curbstomp everyone?
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** Yamamoto matched some of the best swordsmen in the world, in the ''future'' and he [[CurbStompBattle gets beaten in one move]]! Even with the element of surprise, he should've at least been able to fight back. And like you said, the Shimon rings are supposed to be on par with the Vongola rings... so why the hell can ''one'' Shimon memeber (Enma) [[CurbStompBattle match six of the Vongola with no problems at all]], supposedly at only a seventh of his power? The Shimon are [[SortingAlgorithmOfEvil just strong because the plot said so]].

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** Yamamoto matched some of the best swordsmen in the world, in the ''future'' and he [[CurbStompBattle gets beaten in one move]]! Even with the element of surprise, he should've at least been able to fight back. And like you said, the Shimon rings are supposed to be on par with the Vongola rings... so why the hell can ''one'' Shimon memeber member (Enma) [[CurbStompBattle match six of the Vongola with no problems at all]], supposedly at only a seventh of his power? The Shimon are [[SortingAlgorithmOfEvil just strong because the plot said so]].




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** Ok, let me make myself clearer. The guy that took out Yamamoto took said swordsman out even before getting Sin. In other words, he was strong enough that a surprise attack (which Yamamoto would have otherwise avoided or blocked) was almost fatal. Without Sin. Meaning that these unknown guys were already at par with the Vongola well before their power-up. Now, I'm asking, how? If you take the Rings and the Sin out of the equation, these guys were still as strong as the Vongola, as strong as the guys who've basically outperformed their future selves and defeated a multiverse-conquering megalomaniac and his henchmen. That's what I'm asking: how did Shimon reach Vongola's level so that they only needed one power-up to CurbStomp everyone?
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** This discussion is going around in circles, again the only reason the Vongola got curb stomped was because of the Shimon blood used to empower the rings. Yamamoto was almost fatally wounded with that blow, badass or not I don't really see him getting up that quickly and fighting after a almost fatal hit. The plot really only calls for the Shimon and Vongola to fight, because if the Shimon were only strong due to the SortingAlgorithmOfEvil then they wouldn't have need the Sin and would have just attacked the Vongola already.

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** This discussion is going around in circles, again the only reason the Vongola got curb stomped was because of the Shimon blood used to empower the rings. Yamamoto was almost fatally wounded with that blow, badass or not I don't really see him getting up that quickly and fighting after a almost fatal hit. The plot really only calls for the Shimon and Vongola to fight, because if the Shimon were only strong due to the SortingAlgorithmOfEvil then they wouldn't have need needed the Sin and would have just attacked the Vongola already.
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** This discussion is going around in circles, again the only reason the Vongola got curb stomped was because of the Shimon blood used to empower the rings. Yamamoto was almost fatally wounded with that blow, badass or not I don't really see him getting up that quickly and fighting after a almost fatal hit. The plot really only calls for the Shimon and Vongola to fight, because if the Shimon were only strong due to the SortingAlgorithmOfEvil then they wouldn't have need the Sin and would have just attacked the Vongola already.
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** Yamamoto matched some of the best swordsmen in the world, in the ''future'' and he [[CurbStompBattle gets beaten in one move]]! Even with the element of surprise, he should've at least been able to fight back. And like you said, the Shimon rings are supposed to be on par with the Vongola rings... so why the hell can ''one'' Shimon memeber (Enma) [[CurbStompBattle match six of the Vongola with no problems at all]], supposedly at only a seventh of his power? The Shimon are [[SortingAlgorithmOfEvil just strong because the plot said so]].
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** In the case of Yamamoto, he was surprised that his new friend had a destroy Vongola message, and got cheap shotted while he was surprised. As for who are the Shimon, if you think about what they said about how they got their rings a while a go and the earth flames were supposedly on par with the sky flames, then the [[CosmicKeystone Shimon rings]] being on par with the Unlocked Vongola rings are actually not the shocking either. Like I said before, this arc is kind of rushed but a lot of the components to put together what happen are there.
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** [[FlatWhat Yamamoto. Cheapshotted.]] That's what I'm talking about! How did this unknown family gain so much power that BEFORE even using Sin they manage to be at least on par with the Vongola? Who have, mind you, gone into the future and ''become stronger than they were originally going to be''. I know the [[SortingAlgorithmOfEvil new bad guys need to be stronger than the last ones]], but for Vongola to be unable to even ''just put up a fight'' and without any sort of justification yet makes the whole thing feel forced. Okay, the Earth flames might have weird properties, but since we don't know exactly what yet I'm postponing judgement.
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** Not poorly written, but definitely kind of rushed. Yamamoto only lost caused he got cheap shoted, Enma is only strong due to the Shimon blood he used to empower the rings (with probably has the essence of whatever power Shimon has, like the Vongola 1st having the tri-ni-sette time) and the unknown properties of the flames kind of gives that kind of leeway. I think the Shimon and Vongola were probably even before they they used the Sin.

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** Not poorly written, but definitely kind of rushed. Yamamoto only lost caused he got cheap shoted, Enma is only that strong due to the Shimon blood he used to empower the rings (with probably has the essence of whatever power Shimon has, like the Vongola 1st having the tri-ni-sette time) and the unknown properties of the earth flames kind of gives that kind of leeway. I think the Shimon and Vongola were probably even before they they used the Sin.
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** Not poorly written, but definitely kind of rushed. Yamamoto only lost caused he got cheap shoted, Enma is only strong due to the Shimon blood he used to empower the rings (with probably has the essence of whatever power Shimon has, like the Vongola 1st having the tri-ni-sette time) and the unknown properties of the flames kind of gives that kind of leeway. I think the Shimon and Vongola were probably even before they they used the Sin.
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* If [[spoiler:Ghost]] was sucking up everyone's flames through the rings, then how come nobody decided to take them off? After all, most (if not all) of them don't rely solely on [[spoiler:boxes]].

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* If [[spoiler:Ghost]] was sucking up everyone's flames through the rings, then how come nobody decided to take them off? After all, most (if not all) of them don't rely solely on [[spoiler:boxes]].[[spoiler:boxes]].

*When [[spoiler:Fran]] is at the house 10 km away from the [[spoiler:Vendicare/Vindice]] with the rest of the [[spoiler:Kokuyo Gang]], after they broke [[spoiler:Mukuro]] out of prison, why is he still wearing the frog hat? After all, he doesn't want to wear it and the only reason he does is because [[spoiler:Bel]] makes him wear it as a tribute to [[spoiler:Mammon/Marmon/Viper]].

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* And how did [[spoiler:Luche]] have [[spoiler:Aria]] if she was an [[spoiler:]arcobaleno]]?

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\n** But he looks exactly the same from when he was [[spoiler:frozen]] and when he shows up during the [[spoiler:Varia arc]].

* And how did [[spoiler:Luche]] have [[spoiler:Aria]] if she was an [[spoiler:]arcobaleno]]?[[spoiler:arcobaleno]]?
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** Maybe [[spoiler: dying will ice]] works different then regular one.




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** Im not sure I want to know.
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*When Ryohei visits his home in future he discovers that he'll eventually get together with [[spoiler: Kurokawa]]. And thats all fine and all, but then why wasnt she evacuated when Millefiore attacked? Adult!Haru and Adult!Kyoko were and, judging by the picture in his room, it wasnt a secret, meaning she's in as great danger as anyone else associated with Vongola Guardians.

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*When Ryohei visits his home in future he discovers that he'll eventually get together with [[spoiler: Kurokawa]]. And thats all fine and all, but then why wasnt she evacuated when Millefiore attacked? Adult!Haru and Adult!Kyoko were and, judging by the picture in his room, it wasnt wasn't a secret, meaning she's in as great danger as anyone else associated with Vongola Guardians.
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** Of course they need new antagonists. But the Shimon family is way too forced. I mean, Enma alone seems stronger than the might of the ''future Vongola and Millefiore families combined'', at a mere ''seventh'' of his power. So why are they strong? The plot says so. It's a poorly-written, antagonistic version of NewPowersAsThePlotDemands.
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**This could just be an AdaptationInducedPlotHole since Bel seems to be absent from the manga flashback.
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* Is Xanxus technically 16 in the present? After all, he was [[spoiler:frozen in ice for eight years]], so technically, he never aged (he is 24, but if you subtract [[spoiler:the eight years when he was frozen]], you get 16).

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* Is Xanxus technically 16 in the present? After all, he was [[spoiler:frozen in ice for eight years]], so technically, he never aged (he is 24, but if you subtract [[spoiler:the eight years when he was frozen]], you get 16).16).

* And how did [[spoiler:Luche]] have [[spoiler:Aria]] if she was an [[spoiler:]arcobaleno]]?

* If [[spoiler:Ghost]] was sucking up everyone's flames through the rings, then how come nobody decided to take them off? After all, most (if not all) of them don't rely solely on [[spoiler:boxes]].
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** They had to fight SOMEONE or go back to comedic roots (which wouldnt really work). I only watch anime but I suspect there is a good reason why nobody heard of Shimon family in the future arc, but its a WMG material.

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** They had to fight SOMEONE or go back to comedic roots (which wouldnt really work). I only watch anime but I suspect there is a good reason why nobody heard of Shimon family in the future arc, but its a WMG material.material.

* Is Xanxus technically 16 in the present? After all, he was [[spoiler:frozen in ice for eight years]], so technically, he never aged (he is 24, but if you subtract [[spoiler:the eight years when he was frozen]], you get 16).
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**But if he's sixteen, then why does he look the same in the flashback eight years earlier? He would have been eight, but he looks exactly the same as the present Belphegor.




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**Well, [[spoiler:Lussuria]] did say that he was going to heal [[spoiler:Kikyo]] after he was shot point-blank by [[spoiler:Xanxus]], so maybe [[spoiler:Kikyo]] becomes their new cloud guardian in the future.
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* Anyone else think that KHR's become ridiculous lately? I mean, it was already crazy in the first place, but the latest arc is really annoying me. The Vongola family, who have gone into the future, gone through the longest arc ''ever'', beat a person who almost had the multiverse under his command, and gained god-tier powers in the process are losing to some no-name family in the present. What the heck?

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* Anyone else think that KHR's become ridiculous lately? I mean, it was already crazy in the first place, but the latest arc is really annoying me. The Vongola family, who have gone into the future, gone through the longest arc ''ever'', beat a person who almost had the multiverse under his command, and gained god-tier powers in the process are losing to some no-name family in the present. What the heck?heck?
** They had to fight SOMEONE or go back to comedic roots (which wouldnt really work). I only watch anime but I suspect there is a good reason why nobody heard of Shimon family in the future arc, but its a WMG material.
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**He's supposed to be sixteen, but this troper and almost all of her frienda assumed he was around 18-20 upon seeing him.
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*Did Varia ever filled the void after losing Gola Mosca? They quickly replaced Mammon, but 10 years later there was no mention of another Cloud Guardian.

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*Did Varia ever filled the void after losing Gola Mosca? They quickly replaced Mammon, but 10 years later there was no mention of another Cloud Guardian.Guardian.

* Anyone else think that KHR's become ridiculous lately? I mean, it was already crazy in the first place, but the latest arc is really annoying me. The Vongola family, who have gone into the future, gone through the longest arc ''ever'', beat a person who almost had the multiverse under his command, and gained god-tier powers in the process are losing to some no-name family in the present. What the heck?

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