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** I think it was because he was inexperienced. This was his first battle as a rider, and he may not have been used to using the deck. Or from a meta perspective, because it would have given away the surprise of who That particular Zolda really was.

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** I think it was because he was inexperienced. This was his first battle as a rider, and he may not have been used to using the deck. Or from a meta perspective, because it would have given away the surprise of who That that particular Zolda really was.




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*** Also, as the movies indicate, it doesn't have to be the ''exact'' same twelve riders. In the series proper, there are 10 unique riders, but it's brought up to 13 by 2 more Odins, and a second Zolda (since the rules ''don't'' state that all 13 riders have to be active at the same time or unique). In the movie continuities, the presence of Verde (13 Riders) and Ryuga and Femme (Episode Final) indicates that 2 of the repeat Riders never became Riders (Goro never became Zolda in either movie, and Odin either stayed dead after his second death (Episode Final) or didn't die a second time (13 riders)). Presumably, his plan was to choose a few people, some of whom would get killed off early by mirror monsters (like what happened with Scissors), then the rest would kill each other off. Then he'd swoop in with Odin, who has the strongest set of powers, and have Odin beat them (or if he felt that Odin might have a chance of losing, he'd just have Odin use a time vent) - the only time there was truly a wild card was with Ryuga, who Shiro didn't plan on.



* How did Asakura manage to afford having Kitaoka as his lawyer?

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* How did Asakura manage to afford having Kitaoka as his lawyer?lawyer?
** Kitaoka is known for always getting an innocent verdict. He probably took Asakura on as a challenge and reduced the price just for the sake of bragging rights - in fact, he let Asakura go because he got tired of the latter's attitude, not because Asakura was unable to pay him.



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** Another possibility: The further back you time travel, the stronger the amnesia effect is, supported by the fact that, somehow, Yui always ends up dying in every loop. Shiro's RippleEffectProofMemory only goes so far, so he doesn't realize he's somehow choosing the same people every time.



** In fact, in the beginning of the 13 riders special, Shinji ''is'' being attacked by a monster, there's ''already'' a Ryuuki before him, and he ''still'' manages to become a rider despite all of that, it's just seems that despite his best efforts, Shirou is still unable to eliminate Shinji regardless of what happens.

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** In fact, in the beginning of the 13 riders special, Shinji ''is'' being attacked by a monster, there's ''already'' a Ryuuki Ryuki before him, and he ''still'' manages to become a rider despite all of that, it's just seems that despite his best efforts, Shirou is still unable to eliminate Shinji regardless of what happens.


** To save one of their childhood drawings.

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** To save one of their childhood drawings.drawings.

* How did Asakura manage to afford having Kitaoka as his lawyer?


** According to the synopsis... To fix a broken vase. Yeeeeaaaah...
** It was actually to save one of their childhood drawings.

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** According to the synopsis... To fix a broken vase. Yeeeeaaaah...
** It was actually to
save one of their childhood drawings.


** ''Episode Final'' is written by ToshikiInoue, not YasukoKobayashi. Maybe he missed that part?

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** ''Episode Final'' is written by ToshikiInoue, Creator/ToshikiInoue, not YasukoKobayashi.Creator/YasukoKobayashi. Maybe he missed that part?



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** Here's another idea: Shiro does it to protect Yui. In the series he said that he gave Shinji [[SuperMode The Survive Card]] since he saw great battles coming for him. Shiro did it under the guise of temptation, but in reality he predicted the actions of the Alternatives and gave Shinji the card to protect Yui. Considering that [[WellIntentionedExtremist Tiger, the Alternatives]] and [[SmugSnake Shibaura]] were all after Yui in one way or another, he likely kept Shinji and Ren around to protect her.


** According to the synopsis... To fix a broken vase. Yeeeeaaaah...

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** According to the synopsis... To fix a broken vase. Yeeeeaaaah...Yeeeeaaaah...
** It was actually to save one of their childhood drawings.


* What did Shiro actually do when we first saw Odin use Time Vent? I kept rewatching that episode but I don't see what caused Yui to not confront him in the following loop.

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* What did Shiro actually do when we first saw Odin use Time Vent? I kept rewatching that episode but I don't see what caused Yui to not confront him in the following loop.loop.
** According to the synopsis... To fix a broken vase. Yeeeeaaaah...


** He's picked homeless bums as Odin, so maybe the Odin deck needs someone easily brainwashed? On the other hand, since Shinji is not a handpicked rider, he might be impossible to mindwipe to become Odin, given his resistance to Time Vent. And then there's the danger of ending up with a variant of Ryuuga with Odin's abilities...

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** He's picked homeless bums as Odin, so maybe the Odin deck needs someone easily brainwashed? On the other hand, since Shinji is not a handpicked rider, he might be impossible to mindwipe to become Odin, given his resistance to Time Vent. And then there's the danger of ending up with a variant of Ryuuga with Odin's abilities...abilities...

* What did Shiro actually do when we first saw Odin use Time Vent? I kept rewatching that episode but I don't see what caused Yui to not confront him in the following loop.



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** Maybe he DID give the decks to different people in earlier time-loops, and the candidates we spend the series' run with are just the picks for his last few attempts?


* Here's a better idea... Why doesn't Shiro turn Shinji into Odin?

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* Here's a better idea... Why doesn't Shiro turn Shinji into Odin?Odin?
** He's picked homeless bums as Odin, so maybe the Odin deck needs someone easily brainwashed? On the other hand, since Shinji is not a handpicked rider, he might be impossible to mindwipe to become Odin, given his resistance to Time Vent. And then there's the danger of ending up with a variant of Ryuuga with Odin's abilities...


** To turn your question back on you: how can you be sure that Shirou ''didn't'' try one of those tactics during a previous time loop?

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** To turn your question back on you: how can you be sure that Shirou ''didn't'' try one of those tactics during a previous time loop?loop?

* Here's a better idea... Why doesn't Shiro turn Shinji into Odin?


** ....So by your logic, every accomplishment the human race has made thus far is no excuse for its inability to find a cure for death? Or to put it with less snark, being able to do one thing does not mean being able to do another. Is it awfully convenient that saving Yui's life is not within Shiro's ability? Yes. Does it defy any of the internal logic of the show? Not at all.
** It's also implied that, no, Shirou could ''not'', in fact, grant any wish possible, he could probably utilize his time manipulation abilities to grant some of them, such as making sure Eri never goes into a coma in case Ren wins, but something along the line of "eternal life" like Kitaoka wanted was probably impossible, and he was only promising something like that to get them to fight, and he was going to use their life force just as he planned in the movie.

* Ok, heres a good one: Seeing as Shinji is usually (That is, every time we've seen it, series, movie, special and SIC story) the biggest spanner in Shirou's plans... why doesn't he just send a monster or three after Shinji before he can even get near the deck? Or even better, send ODIN after him.

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** ....So by ** The answer to your logic, every accomplishment question is simple: the human race has made thus far "wish" is no excuse for its inability created from the lives of twelve Kamen Riders. That is why the Rider War exists, and why Shirou needs twelve people to find a cure for death? Or to put it with less snark, being able to do one thing does not mean being able to do another. Is it awfully convenient fight and die. Everything that saving Yui's life is not within Shiro's ability? Yes. Does it defy any Shirou creates- all of the internal logic of the show? Not at all.
** It's also implied that, no, Shirou could ''not'', in fact, grant any wish possible, he could probably utilize his time manipulation abilities to grant some of them, such as making sure Eri never goes into a coma in case Ren wins, but something along the line of "eternal life" like Kitaoka wanted was probably impossible,
powers and he was magical abilities- is a phantom that only promising something like that exists in (or in connection to) the Mirror World. To create a true "wish", to get them to fight, and he was going to use their create a "real" new life force just for Yui, he needs twelve people to die as he planned in the movie.

Kamen Riders.

* Ok, heres here's a good one: Seeing as Shinji is usually (That is, every time we've seen it, series, movie, special and SIC story) the biggest spanner in Shirou's plans... why doesn't he just send a monster or three after Shinji before he can even get near the deck? Or even better, send ODIN after him.



** I always got the feeling that that monster in 13 Riders '''was''' Shirou's attempt to get rid of Shinji.

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** I always got the feeling that that monster in 13 Riders '''was''' Shirou's attempt to get rid of Shinji.Shinji.
** To turn your question back on you: how can you be sure that Shirou ''didn't'' try one of those tactics during a previous time loop?


** In fact, in the beginning of the 13 riders special, Shinji ''is'' being attacked by a monster, there's ''already'' a Ryuuki before him, and he ''still'' manages to become a rider despite all of that, it's just seems that despite his best efforts, Shirou is still unable to eliminate Shinji regardless of what happens.

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** In fact, in the beginning of the 13 riders special, Shinji ''is'' being attacked by a monster, there's ''already'' a Ryuuki before him, and he ''still'' manages to become a rider despite all of that, it's just seems that despite his best efforts, Shirou is still unable to eliminate Shinji regardless of what happens.happens.
** I always got the feeling that that monster in 13 Riders '''was''' Shirou's attempt to get rid of Shinji.


** If the actual series is any indication, Shinji ''does'' have his limits and he ''was'' willing to participate in the War to save Yui's life. Granted Shinji got over it, but it's possible that if there was any participant in the Rider War who would've done just exactly what Shiro wanted, that is using the final wish to save Yui, then Shinji would have been the one.

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** If the actual series is any indication, Shinji ''does'' have his limits and he ''was'' willing to participate in the War to save Yui's life. Granted Shinji got over it, but it's possible that if there was any participant in the Rider War who would've done just exactly what Shiro wanted, that is using the final wish to save Yui, then Shinji would have been the one.one.
**In fact, in the beginning of the 13 riders special, Shinji ''is'' being attacked by a monster, there's ''already'' a Ryuuki before him, and he ''still'' manages to become a rider despite all of that, it's just seems that despite his best efforts, Shirou is still unable to eliminate Shinji regardless of what happens.

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