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** Well, maybe it's ''both''. Much like how Phillip's Memory Motifs are all elements while Shotaro's are all weapon-based.

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** Well, maybe it's ''both''. Much like how Phillip's Memory Motifs are all elements while Shotaro's are all weapon-based.weapon-based.

* Since Philip goes unconscious and faints when he henshins, wouldn't it be safer for him to do the process lying down instead of hoping to land on something soft and/or waiting for someone to catch him? (Admittedly, that wouldn't make for great television...)
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*** With [=GoldXtreme=] unlocked in TheMovie, and Accel Trial obtained in the show, wouldn't it be logical to say that Double's strongest form would be [=FangTrialGoldExtreme=]?

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*** With [=GoldXtreme=] [=CycloneJokerGoldXtreme=] unlocked in TheMovie, and Accel Trial obtained in the show, wouldn't it be logical to say that Double's strongest form would be [=FangTrialGoldExtreme=]?
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*** With Gold Extreme unlocked in TheMovie, and Accel Trial obtained in the show, wouldn't it be logical to say that Double's strongest form would be [=FangTrialGoldExtreme=]?

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*** With Gold Extreme [=GoldXtreme=] unlocked in TheMovie, and Accel Trial obtained in the show, wouldn't it be logical to say that Double's strongest form would be [=FangTrialGoldExtreme=]?



* Xtreme memory is indeed how you have describe it. However, the very fact they transform into Kamen Rider [=CycloneJokerXtreme=] instead of Kamen Rider Xtreme, proves that Xtreme memory isn't the only memory involved in the transformation.

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* Xtreme memory is indeed how you have describe it. However, the very fact they transform into Kamen Rider [=CycloneJokerXtreme=] instead of Kamen Rider Xtreme, proves that Xtreme memory Memory isn't the only memory involved in the transformation.
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** Well, maybe it's ''both''.

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** Well, maybe it's ''both''. Much like how Phillip's Memory Motifs are all elements while Shotaro's are all weapon-based.
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* What exactly was the theme of the Sonozaki Family's Dopant forms? Archaeology? No, Terror and Taboo don't fit. Their Mafia basis? Works for Terror and Taboo, but then why Smilodon, Nazca, and Claydoll?

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* What exactly was the theme of the Sonozaki Family's Dopant forms? Archaeology? No, Terror and Taboo don't fit. Their Mafia basis? Works for Terror and Taboo, but then why Smilodon, Nazca, and Claydoll?Claydoll?
** Well, maybe it's ''both''.
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** [[ColorCodedElements There's a trope for that.]]

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** [[ColorCodedElements There's a trope for that.]]]]

* What exactly was the theme of the Sonozaki Family's Dopant forms? Archaeology? No, Terror and Taboo don't fit. Their Mafia basis? Works for Terror and Taboo, but then why Smilodon, Nazca, and Claydoll?
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*** Well, with the removable Shoulder Fang, it ''could'' be possible to make a weapon to ''better'' tear enemies apart (a spearhead for the Metal Rod, and a bayonette for the Trigger Magnum)? Besides, certain martial arts (as portrayed in [[JuushinEnbu anime]] or [[JukenSentaiGekiranger live action tv]], at least) rely on focusing your anger/spirit energy/whatever into a weapon, so...

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*** Well, with the removable Shoulder Fang, it ''could'' be possible to make a weapon to ''better'' tear enemies apart (a spearhead for the Metal Rod, and a bayonette for the Trigger Magnum)? Besides, certain martial arts (as portrayed in [[JuushinEnbu anime]] or [[JukenSentaiGekiranger [[Series/JukenSentaiGekiranger live action tv]], at least) rely on focusing your anger/spirit energy/whatever into a weapon, so...



* This is kind of a dumb gripe for such a short scene, but [[spoiler:how the hell did [[KamenRiderOOO Eiji]] manage to get that far up Futo Tower at ''that'' point in the movie? Wouldn't one of the NEVER members get suspicious and try to attack him? ObfuscatingStupidity only goes ''so'' far...]]

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* This is kind of a dumb gripe for such a short scene, but [[spoiler:how the hell did [[KamenRiderOOO [[Series/KamenRiderOOO Eiji]] manage to get that far up Futo Tower at ''that'' point in the movie? Wouldn't one of the NEVER members get suspicious and try to attack him? ObfuscatingStupidity only goes ''so'' far...]]



* In one of the Net Movies, Akiko is asked who would win in a fight between Kamen Rider Joker and Kamen Rider [=CycloneJoker=], the correct answer turns out to be neither since there is only one Shotaro and thus they could never fight. This series crossed over with [[KamenRiderDecade Decade]], who has the ability to transform into other Kamen Riders, and travels the multiverse. That's two ways for such a fight to occur right there.

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* In one of the Net Movies, Akiko is asked who would win in a fight between Kamen Rider Joker and Kamen Rider [=CycloneJoker=], the correct answer turns out to be neither since there is only one Shotaro and thus they could never fight. This series crossed over with [[KamenRiderDecade [[Series/KamenRiderDecade Decade]], who has the ability to transform into other Kamen Riders, and travels the multiverse. That's two ways for such a fight to occur right there.
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** Love is Blind, and possibly stupid
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*** I'll turn that around: Why are ''you'' assuming that the bombs should have [[NoOntologicalInertia No Ontological Inertia]]?

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*** I'll turn that around: Why are ''you'' assuming that the bombs they should have [[NoOntologicalInertia No Ontological Inertia]]?
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*** I'll turn that around: Why are ''you'' assuming that the bombs should have [[NoOntologicalInertia No Ontological Inertia]]?
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* From ''Movie Wars Core''. Due to Spider Dopant's ability, [[spoiler:Sokichi can never physically touch anyone he's emotionally devoted to, including family and friends. If he does, the Spider Bomb inside him will transfer to the person he touches, causing it to explode.]] It's hard to say that [[spoiler:he has no emotions towards Shotaro (be it teacher-and-students or {{Nakama}})]], but recalling ''Movie Wars 2010'' he slapped Shotaro once (and probably did that before as well)......So what happens in between? [[spoiler:It doesn't seem the curse left Sokichi until his death.]]

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* From ''Movie Wars Core''. Due to Spider Dopant's ability, [[spoiler:Sokichi can never physically touch anyone he's emotionally devoted to, including family and friends. If he does, the Spider Bomb inside him will transfer to the person he touches, causing it to explode.]] It's hard to say that [[spoiler:he has no emotions towards Shotaro (be it teacher-and-students or {{Nakama}})]], TrueCompanions)]], but recalling ''Movie Wars 2010'' he slapped Shotaro once (and probably did that before as well)......So what happens in between? [[spoiler:It doesn't seem the curse left Sokichi until his death.]]
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*** We also forget that Shotaro has yet to tell her the one thing she wants to know: Where her father is. [[spoiler: Let's not forget the episode/movie Begins Night, where she hears that he's dead, but not directly. Part of the later series annoyance she has with him could be fueled by the fact that he hasn't said it straight to her face.]]
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** It could be that he just loves fighting. Similar to that situation, he also could have used Eternal's power to disable the non-T2 Gaia Memories before Double could even fight them. He seems to be also amused when the people in Futo started fighting among themselves after he promised a reward to whoever will find it.
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* Related to above, what made Phillip even consider "White" and linking it to ice-based powers?

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* Related to above, what made Phillip even consider "White" and linking it to ice-based powers?powers?
** [[ColorCodedElements There's a trope for that.]]
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* Related to above, why did Phillip even considered "White" and linking it to ice-based powers?

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* Related to above, why did what made Phillip even considered consider "White" and linking it to ice-based powers?
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* A minor one, but why Ryu (being a ChickMagnet) chooses Akiko over all other girls he met during the whole show? Not saying Akiko is a bad girl though, but still......(especially all those fandom backlash towards her personality)

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* A minor one, but why Ryu (being a ChickMagnet) chooses Akiko over all other girls he met during the whole show? Not saying Akiko is a bad girl though, but still......(especially all those fandom backlash towards her personality)personality)

* When the [=IceAge=] Dopant was rampaging and Ryu refered to a "W Memory" did it not occur to Phillip to consider thinking of "Weather" as opposed to "Winter" or "White"?

* Related to above, why did Phillip even considered "White" and linking it to ice-based powers?
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** The above theory is quite close to the truth, which was revealed in W Returns: Eternal. [[spoiler:Foundation X kept information about the NEVER project, but didn't use it until Kazu was killed and his lackeys resurrected him with it.]]

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** The above theory is quite close to the truth, which was revealed in W Returns: Eternal. [[spoiler:Foundation X kept information about the NEVER project, but didn't use it until Kazu was killed and his lackeys resurrected him with it.]]]]
* A minor one, but why Ryu (being a ChickMagnet) chooses Akiko over all other girls he met during the whole show? Not saying Akiko is a bad girl though, but still......(especially all those fandom backlash towards her personality)
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** [[spoiler: Presumably, even though the Foundation decided not to fund the NEVER project any further, they were smart enough to keep copies of the notes, developments, and serum in case the project could be picked up again at a later date. It could be supposed that Kazu - min-maxer that he was - found said notes and cooked up a batch of the NEVER serum for himself.]]

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** [[spoiler: Presumably, even though the Foundation decided not to fund the NEVER project any further, they were smart enough to keep copies of the notes, developments, and serum in case the project could be picked up again at a later date. It could be supposed that Kazu - min-maxer that he was - found said notes and cooked up a batch of the NEVER serum for himself.]]
** The above theory is quite close to the truth, which was revealed in W Returns: Eternal. [[spoiler:Foundation X kept information about the NEVER project, but didn't use it until Kazu was killed and his lackeys resurrected him with it.
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*** Well, with the removable Shoulder Fang, it ''could'' be possible to make a weapon to ''better'' tear enemies apart (a spearhead for the Metal Rod, and a bayonette for the Trigger Magnum?) Besides, certain martial arts (as portrayed in [[JuushinEnbu anime]] or [[JukenSentaiGekiranger live action tv]], at least) rely on focusing your anger/spirit energy/whatever into a weapon, so...
** Yes, but they ''aren't'' martial artists, they are detectives. Granted, they probably are able to kick more asses than normal people, but they don't have the discipline or training to do that kind of things. Also, as stated above, even if they could do that, Fang is better suited to hand yo hand combat, making it more compatible with Joker than Metal or Trigger.

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*** Well, with the removable Shoulder Fang, it ''could'' be possible to make a weapon to ''better'' tear enemies apart (a spearhead for the Metal Rod, and a bayonette for the Trigger Magnum?) Magnum)? Besides, certain martial arts (as portrayed in [[JuushinEnbu anime]] or [[JukenSentaiGekiranger live action tv]], at least) rely on focusing your anger/spirit energy/whatever into a weapon, so...
** Yes, but they ''aren't'' martial artists, they are detectives. Granted, they probably are able to kick more asses than normal people, but they don't have the discipline or training to do that kind of things. Also, as stated above, even if they could do that, Fang is better suited to hand yo hand for hand-to-hand combat, making it more compatible with Joker than Metal or Trigger.
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*** Well, with the removable Shoulder Fang, it ''could'' be possible to make a weapon to ''better'' tear enemies apart (a spearhead for the Metal Rod, and a bayonette for the Trigger Magnum?) Besides, certain martial arts (as portrayed in [[JuushinEnbu anime]] or [[SuperSentai live action tv]], at least) rely on focusing your anger/spirit energy/whatever into a weapon, so...
** Yes, but they ''aren't'' martial artists, they are detectives. granted, they probably are able to kick more asses than normal people, but they don't have the discipline or training to do that kind of things. Also, as stated above, even if they could do that, Fang is better suited to hand yo hand combat, making it more compatible with joker than Metal.

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*** Well, with the removable Shoulder Fang, it ''could'' be possible to make a weapon to ''better'' tear enemies apart (a spearhead for the Metal Rod, and a bayonette for the Trigger Magnum?) Besides, certain martial arts (as portrayed in [[JuushinEnbu anime]] or [[SuperSentai [[JukenSentaiGekiranger live action tv]], at least) rely on focusing your anger/spirit energy/whatever into a weapon, so...
** Yes, but they ''aren't'' martial artists, they are detectives. granted, Granted, they probably are able to kick more asses than normal people, but they don't have the discipline or training to do that kind of things. Also, as stated above, even if they could do that, Fang is better suited to hand yo hand combat, making it more compatible with joker Joker than Metal.
Metal or Trigger.
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* From ''Movie Wars Core''. Due to Spider Dopant's ability, [[spoiler:Sokichi can never physically touch anyone he's emotionally devoted to, including family and friends.]] It's hard to say that [[spoiler:he has no emotions towards Shotaro (be it teacher-and-students or {{Nakama}})]], but recalling ''Movie Wars 2010'' he slapped Shotaro once (and probably did that before as well)......So what happens in between? [[spoiler:It doesn't seem the curse left Sokichi until his death.]]

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* From ''Movie Wars Core''. Due to Spider Dopant's ability, [[spoiler:Sokichi can never physically touch anyone he's emotionally devoted to, including family and friends. If he does, the Spider Bomb inside him will transfer to the person he touches, causing it to explode.]] It's hard to say that [[spoiler:he has no emotions towards Shotaro (be it teacher-and-students or {{Nakama}})]], but recalling ''Movie Wars 2010'' he slapped Shotaro once (and probably did that before as well)......So what happens in between? [[spoiler:It doesn't seem the curse left Sokichi until his death.]]




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** Also, Skull ''beat'' the Spider Dopant, so why is that, even though the Spider Memory was broken, it's effects [[spoiler:(the Spider Bombs)]] still lingered in its victims?
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** Presumably, even though the Foundation decided not to fund the NEVER project any further, they were smart enough to keep copies of the notes, developments, and serum in case the project could be picked up again at a later date. It could be supposed that Kazu - min-maxer that he was - found said notes and cooked up a batch of the NEVER serum for himself.

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** [[spoiler: Presumably, even though the Foundation decided not to fund the NEVER project any further, they were smart enough to keep copies of the notes, developments, and serum in case the project could be picked up again at a later date. It could be supposed that Kazu - min-maxer that he was - found said notes and cooked up a batch of the NEVER serum for himself.]]
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Going back to the Fang Memory. Why didn't they ever use [=FangMetal=] or [=FangTrigger=] in the show?

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* Going back to the Fang Memory. Why didn't they ever use [=FangMetal=] or [=FangTrigger=] in the show?



**** Yes, but they ''aren't'' martial artists, they are detectives. granted, they probably are able to kick more asses than normal people, but they don't have the discipline or training to do that kind of things. Also, as stated above, even if they could do that, Fang is better suited to hand yo hand combat, making it more compatible with joker than Metal.

If Phillip can look up the world's library to find out stuff, why didn't they use it to find the whereabouts of Sokichi if they are sure that they NeverFoundTheBody?
* Didn't the facility ''explode''?
** Well, yeah, but they most definitely know that they did not find Narumi's body, and it even fell in a pit that Taboo made. They could have just use the Gaia Library to see if Narumi is most definitely dead or not.
*** It seemed to be the implication that, because Phillipe already ''knew'' he was dead, he had done that already at some point. Nevermind the fact that the chief literally took his last breath in Shotaro's arms with Phillipe standing ''maybe'' 10 feet away...

In one episode of Double, when Phillip is attacked by the Triceratops Dopant, he asks Shotaro to give him the Driver to transfrom into Fang Joker, but when he was getting chased by the Smilodon Dopant eariler on (before FJ's debut), this thought didn't enter his head, or hell, Fang never appeared to assist him. So, other than the fact that they did not create the suit for FJ yet, why didn't Phillip use Fang to protect him from the Smilodon Dopant?
* [[spoiler: Smilodon is Mick. I don't think Fang would attack Phillip's cat.]]
** If this troper recalls correctly, at that point they simply didn't want to use it because it drove Phillip berserk (or Shotaro was against it, or whatever), where as at the time of the Triceratops Dopant, that bug was ironed out.

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**** ** Yes, but they ''aren't'' martial artists, they are detectives. granted, they probably are able to kick more asses than normal people, but they don't have the discipline or training to do that kind of things. Also, as stated above, even if they could do that, Fang is better suited to hand yo hand combat, making it more compatible with joker than Metal.

* If Phillip can look up the world's library to find out stuff, why didn't they use it to find the whereabouts of Sokichi if they are sure that they NeverFoundTheBody?
* ** Didn't the facility ''explode''?
** *** Well, yeah, but they most definitely know that they did not find Narumi's body, and it even fell in a pit that Taboo made. They could have just use the Gaia Library to see if Narumi is most definitely dead or not.
*** ** It seemed to be the implication that, because Phillipe already ''knew'' he was dead, he had done that already at some point. Nevermind the fact that the chief literally took his last breath in Shotaro's arms with Phillipe standing ''maybe'' 10 feet away...

* In one episode of Double, when Phillip is attacked by the Triceratops Dopant, he asks Shotaro to give him the Driver to transfrom into Fang Joker, but when he was getting chased by the Smilodon Dopant eariler on (before FJ's debut), this thought didn't enter his head, or hell, Fang never appeared to assist him. So, other than the fact that they did not create the suit for FJ yet, why didn't Phillip use Fang to protect him from the Smilodon Dopant?
* ** [[spoiler: Smilodon is Mick. I don't think Fang would attack Phillip's cat.]]
** *** If this troper recalls correctly, at that point they simply didn't want to use it because it drove Phillip berserk (or Shotaro was against it, or whatever), where as at the time of the Triceratops Dopant, that bug was ironed out.



If Gaia Memories are easy to break, like crushing it in your hand or stomping on it, why didn't Shotaro do that to the T-Rex Memory?
* Notice that it's only ever someone who's already got an ''active'' Memory, which may indicate that a Dopant crushing it with his/her hand, is similar to Double's Memory Breaks.

Speaking of easy to crush Gaia Memories, does this apply to Double's Gaia Memories?
* Possibly, though it must be noted that the Memories they break are raw, fresh-from-the-perverbial-oven, whereas the Riders' Memories are highly refined to the point that their power is severely weakened compared to the raw power of direct-insert Memories. Think about how easy it is to rip a cookie apart when it's fresh, compared to the relative effort it takes to break it later after it's cooled to room-temperature; similar theory here with the Memories.

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* If Gaia Memories are easy to break, like crushing it in your hand or stomping on it, why didn't Shotaro do that to the T-Rex Memory?
* ** Notice that it's only ever someone who's already got an ''active'' Memory, which may indicate that a Dopant crushing it with his/her hand, is similar to Double's Memory Breaks.

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Speaking of easy to crush Gaia Memories, does this apply to Double's Gaia Memories?
* ** Possibly, though it must be noted that the Memories they break are raw, fresh-from-the-perverbial-oven, whereas the Riders' Memories are highly refined to the point that their power is severely weakened compared to the raw power of direct-insert Memories. Think about how easy it is to rip a cookie apart when it's fresh, compared to the relative effort it takes to break it later after it's cooled to room-temperature; similar theory here with the Memories.Memories.



** I'm asking why compared to Shotaro, not what she is in terms of identifying the trope. In terms of [[{{CharacterDevelopment}} Character Development]], she doesn't have any real reason to be critical of him, motivation-wise outside of very, very small things.
*** Maybe she's just kind of a dick? Anyway, it's common for people to have specific people that just annoy them for no real logical reason.

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** * I'm asking why compared to Shotaro, not what she is in terms of identifying the trope. In terms of [[{{CharacterDevelopment}} Character Development]], she doesn't have any real reason to be critical of him, motivation-wise outside of very, very small things.
*** ** Maybe she's just kind of a dick? Anyway, it's common for people to have specific people that just annoy them for no real logical reason.



** [[{{Omake}} You're taking the Net Movies seriously?]]

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** *** [[{{Omake}} You're taking the Net Movies seriously?]]




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** Isaka is ''crazy''.



* If Foundation X decided not to fund the NEVER project, then [[spoiler: How come one of their own members is a NEVER himself?]]

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* If Foundation X decided not to fund the NEVER project, then [[spoiler: How come one of their own members is a NEVER himself?]]himself?]]
** Presumably, even though the Foundation decided not to fund the NEVER project any further, they were smart enough to keep copies of the notes, developments, and serum in case the project could be picked up again at a later date. It could be supposed that Kazu - min-maxer that he was - found said notes and cooked up a batch of the NEVER serum for himself.
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**** Except that's imposible because their's no Memory Driver that can support four memories(because the Xtreme Memory's two ports makes it count as two memories
*** Extreme absorbs the Memories placed in the Double Driver's ports (in the show, at least), so it's still possible...

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**** ** Except that's imposible because their's no Memory Driver that can support four memories(because the Xtreme Memory's two ports makes it count as two memories
*** ** Extreme absorbs the Memories placed in the Double Driver's ports (in the show, at least), so it's still possible...



* You realize this JBM hits FridgeLogic once you realize how it would be impossible to fit BOTH the Fang and Xtreme Memories onto the Driver right?
** Xtreme teleports Cyclone and Joker into itself when they transform into CJX.
*** Not really. the reality is that the Xtreme Memory has two plugs attached to its feet in the shape of memories, that way it can fit into both of the Double Driver's memory slots
**** Xtreme memory is indeed how you have describe it. However, the very fact they transform into Kamen Rider [=CycloneJokerXtreme=] instead of Kamen Rider Xtreme, proves that Xtreme memory isn't the only memory involved in the transformation.
***** Then how do you explain the Cyclone and Joker Memories appearing outside [=CycloneJokerXtreme=]? It could just simply be that it's called [=CycloneJokerXtreme=] because he transforms using the Xtreme Memory in [=CycloneJoker=] Form.

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* ** You realize this JBM hits FridgeLogic once you realize how it would be impossible to fit BOTH the Fang and Xtreme Memories onto the Driver right?
** *** Xtreme teleports Cyclone and Joker into itself when they transform into CJX.
*** ** Not really. the reality is that the Xtreme Memory has two plugs attached to its feet in the shape of memories, that way it can fit into both of the Double Driver's memory slots
**** * Xtreme memory is indeed how you have describe it. However, the very fact they transform into Kamen Rider [=CycloneJokerXtreme=] instead of Kamen Rider Xtreme, proves that Xtreme memory isn't the only memory involved in the transformation.
***** ** Then how do you explain the Cyclone and Joker Memories appearing outside [=CycloneJokerXtreme=]? It could just simply be that it's called [=CycloneJokerXtreme=] because he transforms using the Xtreme Memory in [=CycloneJoker=] Form.
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*** Except that's imposible because their's no Memory Driver that can support four memories(because the Xtreme Memory's two ports makes it count as two memories

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*** **** Except that's imposible because their's no Memory Driver that can support four memories(because the Xtreme Memory's two ports makes it count as two memories

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At one point Shroud claims Double's most powerful form is [=CycloneAccelXtreme=], but wouldn't its most powerful form be [=FangAccelXtreme=]?
* This is purely speculation, but it may be that Fang would be too wild to control when fueled by rage along with Accel. So maybe, just maybe, CAX was the most powerful that would still be easy enough to control.
** With Gold Extreme unlocked in TheMovie, and Accel Trial obtained in the show, wouldn't it be logical to say that Double's strongest form would be [=FangTrialGoldExtreme=]?

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* At one point Shroud claims Double's most powerful form is [=CycloneAccelXtreme=], but wouldn't its most powerful form be [=FangAccelXtreme=]?
* ** This is purely speculation, but it may be that Fang would be too wild to control when fueled by rage along with Accel. So maybe, just maybe, CAX was the most powerful that would still be easy enough to control.
** *** With Gold Extreme unlocked in TheMovie, and Accel Trial obtained in the show, wouldn't it be logical to say that Double's strongest form would be [=FangTrialGoldExtreme=]?



* Going back to the Fang Memory. Why didn't they ever use [=FangMetal=] or [=FangTrigger=] in the show?

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Going back to the Fang Memory. Why didn't they ever use [=FangMetal=] or [=FangTrigger=] in the show?
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**** Yes, but they ''aren't'' martial artists, they are detectives. granted, they probably are able to kick more asses than normal people, but they don't have the discipline or training to do that kind of things. Also, as stated above, even if they could do that, Fang is better suited to hand yo hand combat, making it more compatible with joker than Metal.
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** [[spoiler:It was the one they were the ''most'' emotionally devoted to, which was Akiko. He really cared about Shotaro, but not to the point it triggered the spider like Akiko would've.]]

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** [[spoiler:It was the one they were the ''most'' emotionally devoted to, which was Akiko. He really cared about Shotaro, but not to the point it triggered the spider like Akiko would've.]]]]

* If Foundation X decided not to fund the NEVER project, then [[spoiler: How come one of their own members is a NEVER himself?]]

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