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* In the episode "Ultimatium", where the Justice League meets the CaptainErsatz {{WesternAnimation/Superfriends}}, Aquaman gets a CrowningMomentOfAwesome when the "WonderTwin" Downpour hits him with a few thousand gallons of water at full force. Aquaman shrugs and says: "King of the Seas, remember?". So how does Aquaman get the "super-sticky feet" power required to get hit with that much water and remain standing? I understand that he can understand a lot of water pressure on his body, but this was a force lateral to his center of gravity. If I were to smack Queen Elizabeth II with a lintel piece from Stonehenge, would she shrug it off saying: "Queen of England, remember?"? Or is it just RuleOfCool?
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* In the episode "Ultimatium", where the Justice League meets the CaptainErsatz {{WesternAnimation/Superfriends}}, Aquaman gets a CrowningMomentOfAwesome SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome when the "WonderTwin" Downpour hits him with a few thousand gallons of water at full force. Aquaman shrugs and says: "King of the Seas, remember?". So how does Aquaman get the "super-sticky feet" power required to get hit with that much water and remain standing? I understand that he can understand a lot of water pressure on his body, but this was a force lateral to his center of gravity. If I were to smack Queen Elizabeth II with a lintel piece from Stonehenge, would she shrug it off saying: "Queen of England, remember?"? Or is it just RuleOfCool?
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* Why on might Highfather made Grodd think that turning the entire planet into apes would have been a good thing?
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** Control. She made him do something he would never have thought to, let alone wanted to, do.
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** His plan was to make himself 'Captain America' the results were a (more) corrupted 'Hulk'
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* Did Devil Ray have an obsession with Wonder Woman? Notice before he was killed, he was aiming for Diana. Episode ago, he was fighting her under water. Was she supposed to be Aquaman's replacement as an arch nemesis for Devil Ray?
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** Batman's got several villains whose [=MOs=] include variations on the theme of poison gas. He's probably either built up significant resistance to toxins in general, regularly gives himself some kind of antitoxin cocktail, or both.
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*** The mind control here is pretty basic, more body control really. Those under it's control don't speak or plan, they just perform physical actions when instructed. I think asking for information from them would be pointless since the brain that knows that information seems to be being bypassed rather than altered. As another result of this is if you did try to use them for anything big the rest of the League would very quickly work out what's wrong and likely fix it and then you can't use this trick anymore. Sure, they could do some damage first but Luthor isn't mindlessly destructive; smashing some stuff up isn't going to do anything for him and besides he already has an army of supervillains who will do that stuff willingly if he needs it done. The cage matches fly below the radar. Mind controlling your enemy is only useful long term if they can convincingly fake being normal.
*** Again she can come back if she changes her mind. Plus as is brought up in the episode while Supergirl may be doing well as a hero Kara is still very out of place in human society due to it's relatively primitive nature. By the 30th century human tech has more or less caught up with what she's used to.
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** Unless they go to his era he'd be no more relevant to time travel than anyone else. As such only the Legion episode would have made sense for him.
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*Forget all that other stuff; what I really wanna know is how Batman who, may I remind you, is only human managed to resist the effects of the male plague for as long as he did! That disease took down Superman in seconds and the rest of the male members of the Justice League not long after. How in hell did Batman, then, not succumb to the effects of the plague until later on, after he saved that little boy and the bus driver who had collapsed at the wheel?
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*** For whatever reason, he felt a legitimate claim to the throne was important. Perhaps he was foreseeing when he'd have to deal with other nations and figured being a rightful ruler would at least make it a little more difficult for other countries to try and depose him as opposed to if, for instance, he'd just taken over in a military coup.
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*** But WHY though? It gained him nothing he didn't already have. It just comes off as a plot device to get Wonder Woman involved in a particular way.
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*** From what I've heard about Thanagar in the comics post-crisis at least they are little different than the Gordanians. Maybe a bit less bloodthirsty, but and expansionist empire that conquers other worlds and engages in slavery. So it is one of those times where neither side is "good." You might call it the lesser of two evils, but that is it. In the end, Earth did not have anything to really gain from siding with Thanagar and there was no really "good side" to support.
%%** OK, first of all, if the Justice League left Earth and they were killed by the Gordanians, there are still a few hundred superheroes on Earth that would still carry out Superman's legacy. After all, even before these heroes joined the expanded league, they weren't going to stand around while evil threatens their homes and those they care about. As of ''Hereafter'', we have seen that Superman has come a long way since the incident where he was brainwashed by Darkseid. Even if he dies, other heroes will continue to serve his memory, as we have seen in episodes that took place in the far future. Second, the Gordanians are nothing compared to Darkseid, who himself is an evil overlord of a huge empire. All it took to completely stop Apokalips from being a threat was for the League to pull a DecapitatedArmy trope, which they did in ''Twilight''.
%%** OK, first of all, if the Justice League left Earth and they were killed by the Gordanians, there are still a few hundred superheroes on Earth that would still carry out Superman's legacy. After all, even before these heroes joined the expanded league, they weren't going to stand around while evil threatens their homes and those they care about. As of ''Hereafter'', we have seen that Superman has come a long way since the incident where he was brainwashed by Darkseid. Even if he dies, other heroes will continue to serve his memory, as we have seen in episodes that took place in the far future. Second, the Gordanians are nothing compared to Darkseid, who himself is an evil overlord of a huge empire. All it took to completely stop Apokalips from being a threat was for the League to pull a DecapitatedArmy trope, which they did in ''Twilight''.
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*** From what I've heard about Thanagar in the comics post-crisis at least they are little different than the Gordanians. Maybe a bit less bloodthirsty, but and an expansionist empire that conquers other worlds and engages in slavery. So it is one of those times where neither side is "good." You might call it the lesser of two evils, but that is it. In the end, Earth did not have anything to really gain from siding with Thanagar and there was no really "good side" to support.
%%** ** OK, first of all, if the Justice League left Earth and they were killed by the Gordanians, there are still a few hundred superheroes on Earth that would still carry out Superman's legacy. After all, even before these heroes joined the expanded league, they weren't going to stand around while evil threatens their homes and those they care about. As of ''Hereafter'', we have seen that Superman has come a long way since the incident where he was brainwashed by Darkseid. Even if he dies, other heroes will continue to serve his memory, as we have seen in episodes that took place in the far future. Second, the Gordanians are nothing compared to Darkseid, who himself is an evil overlord of a huge empire. All it took to completely stop Apokalips Apokolips from being a threat was for the League to pull a DecapitatedArmy trope, which they did in ''Twilight''. ''Twilight''.
*** Apokolips was vulnerable to DecapitatedArmy because Darkseid had built an all-pervasive personality cult around himself and his godhood; taking him out (which was far from easy and was partially due to circumstantial factors) dealt a massive blow to the morale of his minions, who were all largely self-serving bastards anyway who went straight to fighting to fill a power vacuum. Neither the Gordanians nor Thanagar are Apokolips, and by all appearances they far more united and not as slavishly dependant on a single all-powerful leader, not to mention both sides are fighting a war of survival against a determined enemy. Killing their leaders- assuming this is possible (easier to kill than Darkseid sure, but for that exact reason also less likely to put themselves in a position to be killed) would not have the same effect that killing the leader of Apokolips did, because the system of governance is quite different.
*** Apokolips was vulnerable to DecapitatedArmy because Darkseid had built an all-pervasive personality cult around himself and his godhood; taking him out (which was far from easy and was partially due to circumstantial factors) dealt a massive blow to the morale of his minions, who were all largely self-serving bastards anyway who went straight to fighting to fill a power vacuum. Neither the Gordanians nor Thanagar are Apokolips, and by all appearances they far more united and not as slavishly dependant on a single all-powerful leader, not to mention both sides are fighting a war of survival against a determined enemy. Killing their leaders- assuming this is possible (easier to kill than Darkseid sure, but for that exact reason also less likely to put themselves in a position to be killed) would not have the same effect that killing the leader of Apokolips did, because the system of governance is quite different.
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** Yes. Eiling is both very arrogant and also living in a bubble- he really thinks that the United States government and the United States military are and should be the biggest stick in town and represent the best of humanity, and his ego can't take the fact that the global superpower he signed up to fight for has been superseded by the Justice League. His plan was to fight Superman and beat the crap out of him to show them all that humanity (read- America; read-Eiling himself) should still be taken seriously and can't be easily bossed around or dismissed. Bare in mind this was a desperation move on his part in response to Cadmus voluntarily shutting itself down and Waller come to agree with the League- becoming a monster wasn't exactly Plan A; it was a last-ditched effort to make a point or die trying.
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** He isn't fighting crime as much precisely ''because'' the Justice League are around; crime is going down overall because there are more crimefighters around. Maybe the reason we see him with the League so much isn't because he's got more on his plate but rather because he has ''less'' and has more free time, which he spends with the League since that is much more efficient than fighting crime or solving problems all by his lonesome.
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** Take him prisoner, like they usually do with heroes. Not like they are going to ''kill'' a superhero after capturing him right? [[WhyDontYouJustShootHim When have they ever done that?]] Besides, The Flash would be a pretty useful hostage and might be psychically / magically interrogated.
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** Remember when Doctor Polaris tried to take over a few episodes later? Luthor hadn't revealed it yet but when he upgraded most of their powers he also built in a way to turn those powers against their owners. They can follow him or he can take them out, their choice. Most of them don't really care who is in charge as long as they get what they signed up for.
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** Being an adult superhero means responsibility and Ray is despreately clinging to his childhood to avoid dealing with the horrific trauma he suffered. He imagines himself as a kid, who is pals with superheroes and can participate in their adventures, but doesn't have any personal responsibility above that of a kid.
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** She really doesn't like to be told what she should or shouldn't do in general, but in this case there also was her history with Green Lantern. When someone you used to date and still have some feelings for, and who is currently dating someone else, tells you that you shouldn't date someone, you aren't going to take it well.
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** Did you miss the part when he revolted against her and went to use the magical amulet to fulfill his own wishes against her will? Son or not, Morgana is not the kind of a person to just let it slide. If memory serves, there was an issue of tie-in comics set after this episode, where she and Mordred appeared, and Mordred was young again, Morgana having de-aged him eventually.
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* Where would the founding members of the League go in the four-temperament ensemble? I know there are seven of them, but I've been thinking about this one for a while. Batman is definitely melancholic, Superman is phlegmatic, Hawkgirl is probably choleric, and Flash is sanguine, although I'm not so sure about Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter, and Green Lantern.
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* Where would the founding members of the League go in the four-temperament ensemble? I know there are seven of them, but I've been thinking about this one for a while. Batman is definitely melancholic, Superman is phlegmatic, Hawkgirl is probably choleric, and Flash is sanguine, although I'm not so sure about Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter, and Green Lantern.
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