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** Rather pointedly Tony isn't giving them a choice. What exactly is the government going to do if they don't like it? Nationalize Stark Tech? Almost certainly not gonna work Tony probably already has sixteen different computer viruses ready to wipe their computer records of how to build everything blank. Try to compel him legally? He'll just tell them to go fuck themselves and the judge to while he's at it then start openly drinking in the courtroom. Imprison Tony? Yeah not gonna stick, you give him a toothbrush and he'll somehow build a vibromatic disintegration beam to escape with. The government may not like it but Tony Stark is one of the few incredibly rare individual people equipped to simply flat out decline with there being basically nothing they can do about it beyond posturing.
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** Based upon what we see Tony Stark is one of those who responds to emotional trauma by pushing it down in the immediacy. Then when he feels safe and out of danger it explodes outward in the form of emotional breakdowns, obsessive problem solving or tinkering, alcohol binges, and other questionable coping mechanisms that help him deal until he processes it.
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** The surgery to install the cylinder involved forcing the ribs apart after removal of the sternum. As a result the front of Tony's chest bows outward more then the average person. This allows enough space for the tube and the heart.
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** He didn't hand it over to his engineers because of the minor, insignificant problem that '''SHIELD is coming to arrest him for treason because Pepper just gave them the evidence of his plot to have Tony killed.''' Stane found out that Pepper had copied the evidence from his computer, and then right afterward, watched her run off with a SHIELD agent to give him said evidence. It's slightly difficult to have your engineers analyze something while you're in prison awaiting an open-and-shut case for attempted murder and treason.

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** He didn't hand it over to his engineers because of the minor, insignificant problem that '''SHIELD is coming to arrest him for treason because Pepper just gave them the evidence of his plot to have Tony killed.''' Stane found out that Pepper had copied the evidence from his computer, and then right afterward, watched her run off with a SHIELD agent to give him said evidence. It's slightly difficult to have your engineers analyze something while you're in prison awaiting an open-and-shut case OpenAndShutCase for attempted murder and treason.
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** Real-world missiles and rockets vary, but for the most part the insides look like [[https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/14/SolidRocketMotor.png this]]. The payload is only a small part, the rest is the motor and fuel. The Jericho missile is the [[http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/marvelmovies/images/8/8c/JerichoMissile2-IM.png/revision/latest?cb=20140122032833 opposite]]. It's hard to see at this angle, but in between the two sets of fins is completely hollow. That's more than half the missile. Imagine filling a fighter jet with dozens of tiny, repulsor-powered missiles that can match conventional missiles. Or artillery batteries and SAMs that can be towed by Humvees. Or even infantry soldiers who can all carry missiles the size of grenades.

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** Real-world missiles and rockets vary, but for the most part the insides look like [[https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/14/SolidRocketMotor.png this]]. The payload is only a small part, the rest is the motor and fuel. The Jericho missile is the [[http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/marvelmovies/images/8/8c/JerichoMissile2-IM.png/revision/latest?cb=20140122032833 opposite]]. It's hard to see at this angle, but in between the two sets of fins is completely hollow. That's more than half the missile. Imagine filling a fighter jet with dozens of tiny, repulsor-powered missiles that can match conventional missiles. Or artillery batteries and SAMs [=SAMs=] that can be towed by Humvees. Or even infantry soldiers who can all carry missiles the size of grenades.
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[[folder: Rhodey's cell-phone]]
* How was Rhodey able to bring his personal cell-phone into a classified command center? Tony calls him back, but uses Rhodey's direct line, not using the military line that Rhodey called him on. Rhodey's phone even has Tony's picture on it and plays a very distinct ring-tone (the 1960's Iron Man theme).
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** Wiki/TheOtherWiki says his dad's name was Zebediah. Bad names run in his family.

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** Wiki/TheOtherWiki Website/TheOtherWiki says his dad's name was Zebediah. Bad names run in his family.
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** There's also the fact that he uses the wrong units when describing the arc reactor to his assistant in the cave. He says its output is, if I recall correctly, "3 gigajoules per second". This only tells us how much power it puts out, not how much total potential energy it has. It may put out 3 gigajoules per second, but only for a few minutes. There's no way the assistant could deduce from this that it could power his heart for 50 lifetimes. In other news, according to Wiki/ThatOtherWiki, one single joule is enough energy to lift a small apple 1 meter straight up.

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** There's also the fact that he uses the wrong units when describing the arc reactor to his assistant in the cave. He says its output is, if I recall correctly, "3 gigajoules per second". This only tells us how much power it puts out, not how much total potential energy it has. It may put out 3 gigajoules per second, but only for a few minutes. There's no way the assistant could deduce from this that it could power his heart for 50 lifetimes. In other news, according to Wiki/ThatOtherWiki, Website/ThatOtherWiki, one single joule is enough energy to lift a small apple 1 meter straight up.
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** There is also that 'make Stark build us a missile' is their ''backup'' backup plan. The first plan was 'The Ten Rings takes a contract from Stane to kill Tony Stark'. Upon discovering that it was Tony Stark himself that they were going to kill, the Ten Rings then left him alive and sent Stane a ransom videotape demanding more money. When Stane apparently told them to go screw, they were then left with a hostage that they couldn't make any more cash off of, yet was still too valuable to just get rid of. At this juncture, 'Make him build us his latest super weapon!' was probably the most coherent idea raised at the terrorist brainstorming session.

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** There is also that 'make Stark build us a missile' is their ''backup'' backup plan. The first plan was 'The Ten Rings takes a contract from Stane to kill Tony Stark'. some guy in the desert'. Upon discovering that it the guy in question was Tony Stark himself that they were going to kill, the Ten Rings then left him alive and sent Stane a ransom videotape demanding more money. When Stane apparently told them to go screw, they were then left with a hostage that they couldn't make any more cash off of, yet was still too valuable to just get rid of. At this juncture, 'Make him build us his latest super weapon!' was probably the most coherent idea raised at the terrorist brainstorming session.
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** Depends how strong the magnet is and what sort of insulation it has. Organic tissues are actually sufficient to block a rather significant amount of the electromagnetic spectrum and given the thing was recessed inside Tony's chest it probably wouldn't be much of an issue unless his phone got jammed through his flesh and past his ribs or something to that effect. The only way out would be through the arc reactor and based on what we see it's got some top notch shielding to keep it safely operating. As long as the magnet has been properly calibrated to only hold the shrapnel in place rather then yanking it backwards which would cause tissue damage it should be too weak to do any real harm.
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** I can think of two possiilities. First the device creates soundwaves at a frequency that causes human blood to do something that it isn't supposed to briefly clogging the veins visibly in the affected area as the cells organize themselves into a latic. Specifically this is done to the blood in the interior cavity of the skull after it enters through the ear canal. This has the side effect effect of effectively paralyzing the person in question as whatever their blood is doing causes immense physical pain and loss of cellular respiration briefly. Alternatively the noise hits on a previously unknown frequency that when directed into the interior of the skull causes a loss of nervous system coherence, nerve cells are forced to misfire jamming the central nervous system with nonsense which in turn causes arteries to constrict and veins to swell. Fortunately unlike a traditional artery blockage once the noise is gone blood begins flowing normal unimpeded, the heart and lungs will keep working on muscle memory until the connection to the brain normalizes but until then the person can barely move.
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** Simple, Tony used multiple weapons to create a series of titanium armor plates backed with leather for energy absorbtion followed by another layer of steel. First layer slows the bullets, leather catches them, and second layer of steel stops them entirely. Anything below the .50 Browning doesn't stand much of a chance of penetrating while the Browing at a distance isn't enough to permanently put Tony down. Obviously this would weigh a ton but then the suit is fitted with motors that help him lift the weight.
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*** Good point there. It's human nature to complain about things that go wrong - all the more so when your life is on the line. Soldiers in the field pretty readily grumble to each other about their weapons, equipment, rations, whatever, and don't tend to have a high opinion of the people in the bureaucracy whose jobs is it to design and provide those things. So lets say in RealLife that Elon Musk (probably the closest thing to Stark as far as recognizable CEO / tech genius goes) invented a bunch of military equipment that became popular with the rank and file, and then decided to visit some of the troops in the field personally to test some new gear. The troops absolutely ''would'' be stoked to meet him and it makes sense that the military brass would find this good for morale.
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** There might have been other locks that needed more than a keycard, like a code or fingerprint. Also, they were willing and able to blow ONE door, the last door. Stane would have certainly noticed them coming if they were blowing all the doors on their route, so they probably figured having someone open the way to what they thought was going to be just an old man would be a way to surprise Stane so he couldn't get away or destroy evidence.
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** Keep in mind that neither Tony nor Rhodes ''knows'' about Iron Monger or how big it is by that point. Tony can't say "Don't shoot at me" because as far as he knows by that point, he's going to the the only thing flying. Tony telling them to keep the skies clear is basically him just telling Rhodes to keep the Air Force from shooting him down, no matter what happens.

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** Keep in mind that neither Tony nor Rhodes ''knows'' about Iron Monger or how big it is by that point. Tony can't say "Don't shoot at me" because as far as he knows by that point, he's going to the the only thing flying. Tony telling them to keep the skies clear is basically him just telling Rhodes to keep the Air Force from shooting him down, no matter what happens.
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[[folder: Bringing Pepper along to arrest Stane]]
* Why on Earth did Coulson bring Pepper along when they went to the lab to arrest Stane? If they'd needed her retina scan to get in or something, it might make sense, but she just waved a keycard at the locks, and when the lab lock didn't open for her they were perfectly capable of and willing to blow the door. So why bring along an untrained civilian?
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** Stane was having his version of the suit built in a company lab, by a company team of scientists, using company resources. They ''had'' to have their plans and files somewhere the whole team could access.
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** Ok, to clear up. Oxygen will not burn, the air is about 21% oxygen and has yet to burn up around us. Energy is released with the forming of bonds with oxygen, hence why burning fossil fuels produces CO2, arranged like O-C-O. It is correctly called oxidization. Finally, oxygen is not a fissile material, splitting it takes in energy, and nuclear fission (and fusion) are nothing to do with burning anyway. In conclusion, OXYGEN NEVER BURNS, burning is when a substance reacts with oxygen to produce heat and light. Oxygen does make an acetylene torch hotter because it allows the acetylene to burn faster. OK? Now drop it!

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** Ok, to clear up. Oxygen will not burn, the air is about 21% oxygen and has yet to burn up around us. Energy is released with the forming of bonds with oxygen, hence why burning fossil fuels produces CO2, [=CO2=], arranged like O-C-O. It is correctly called oxidization. Finally, oxygen is not a fissile material, splitting it takes in energy, and nuclear fission (and fusion) are nothing to do with burning anyway. In conclusion, OXYGEN NEVER BURNS, burning is when a substance reacts with oxygen to produce heat and light. Oxygen does make an acetylene torch hotter because it allows the acetylene to burn faster. OK? Now drop it!
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** If they were hired mercs - which would've been way easier - it would have been much harder to have them operating on American soil against a high-profile target.
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** To be fair, there's also a hell of a lot more space to stuff tech into with the Iron Monger. It is entirely possible that without needing to allocate room for the operator's legs, they could just put in some giant jet engines instead, cover it with armor plating and a bit of hydraulics for the pseudo-foot landing gear, and call it a day.
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** If I may, my interpretation of it was that they had removed the shrapnel when he got out of the caves and back to civilization, but there were still two big problems. The amount of damage and stress that had already been placed on his heart meant that yes, he's gonna need a pacemaker, and secondly, there's still a big hole in his chest from the reactor. Hence, keeping it in.
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** He's not just demonstrating it to the Americans, but also to their enemies. In the most terrifying way possible. It's a less villainous version of [[StarWars Tarkin attacking Alderaan.]]

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** He's not just demonstrating it to the Americans, but also to their enemies. In the most terrifying way possible. It's a less villainous version of [[StarWars [[Franchise/StarWars Tarkin attacking Alderaan.]]
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** When he came out of the cave, the terrorist soldiers literally showered him in bullets. Despite being apparently exposed, the arc reactor didn't take much damage, even when it presumably received as much gunfire as the rest of his chest. Tony evidently reinforced its defenses.

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