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** Stane was having his version of the suit built in a company lab, by a company team of scientists, using company resources. They ''had'' to have their plans and files somewhere the whole team could access.


** Ok, to clear up. Oxygen will not burn, the air is about 21% oxygen and has yet to burn up around us. Energy is released with the forming of bonds with oxygen, hence why burning fossil fuels produces CO2, arranged like O-C-O. It is correctly called oxidization. Finally, oxygen is not a fissile material, splitting it takes in energy, and nuclear fission (and fusion) are nothing to do with burning anyway. In conclusion, OXYGEN NEVER BURNS, burning is when a substance reacts with oxygen to produce heat and light. Oxygen does make an acetylene torch hotter because it allows the acetylene to burn faster. OK? Now drop it!

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** Ok, to clear up. Oxygen will not burn, the air is about 21% oxygen and has yet to burn up around us. Energy is released with the forming of bonds with oxygen, hence why burning fossil fuels produces CO2, [=CO2=], arranged like O-C-O. It is correctly called oxidization. Finally, oxygen is not a fissile material, splitting it takes in energy, and nuclear fission (and fusion) are nothing to do with burning anyway. In conclusion, OXYGEN NEVER BURNS, burning is when a substance reacts with oxygen to produce heat and light. Oxygen does make an acetylene torch hotter because it allows the acetylene to burn faster. OK? Now drop it!



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** If they were hired mercs - which would've been way easier - it would have been much harder to have them operating on American soil against a high-profile target.



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** To be fair, there's also a hell of a lot more space to stuff tech into with the Iron Monger. It is entirely possible that without needing to allocate room for the operator's legs, they could just put in some giant jet engines instead, cover it with armor plating and a bit of hydraulics for the pseudo-foot landing gear, and call it a day.



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** If I may, my interpretation of it was that they had removed the shrapnel when he got out of the caves and back to civilization, but there were still two big problems. The amount of damage and stress that had already been placed on his heart meant that yes, he's gonna need a pacemaker, and secondly, there's still a big hole in his chest from the reactor. Hence, keeping it in.


** He's not just demonstrating it to the Americans, but also to their enemies. In the most terrifying way possible. It's a less villainous version of [[StarWars Tarkin attacking Alderaan.]]

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** He's not just demonstrating it to the Americans, but also to their enemies. In the most terrifying way possible. It's a less villainous version of [[StarWars [[Franchise/StarWars Tarkin attacking Alderaan.]]



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** When he came out of the cave, the terrorist soldiers literally showered him in bullets. Despite being apparently exposed, the arc reactor didn't take much damage, even when it presumably received as much gunfire as the rest of his chest. Tony evidently reinforced its defenses.


** Think back to the first film, as well. Remember when Tony went to see Rhodey in the hangar to tell him about his new project, where Rhodey blew him off when he told him it wasn't a military project? The novelization explained that what Tony really wanted was for Rhodey to pilot the suit. He wanted somebody trustworthy to do it, and besides Pepper, Rhodey was pretty much the only person Tony fully trusted at that time. Rhodey was uninterested (though had he listened, he'd have probably jumped in based on the cool factor of the technology) so Tony piloted the suit himself. It's not unreasonable to assume that since Tony knew he was dying, he would have the forethought to believe the world still needed Iron Man. Being aware of what happened when his technology fell into the wrong hands before, he would only allow Rhodey to pilot his suits. Maybe it was Tony's drunkenness, but he didn't seem surprised at all to see Rhodey wearing the MkII, and as stated above, Black Widow noted that nobody can pilot Tony's suits without his permission. And even though the film never said it, I can't imagine Tony had no kill switch or something for the MkII if he really didn't want Rhodey to have the suit. He probably didn't figure he'd take it to Justin Hammer for weaponization, but if he didn't want Rhodey to have the suit, he probably wouldn't have made it out of the house with it.

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** Think back to the first film, as well. Remember when Tony went to see Rhodey in the hangar to tell him about his new project, where Rhodey blew him off when he told him it wasn't a military project? The novelization explained that what Tony really wanted was for Rhodey to pilot the suit. He wanted somebody trustworthy to do it, and besides Pepper, Rhodey was pretty much the only person Tony fully trusted at that time. Rhodey was uninterested (though had he listened, he'd have probably jumped in based on the cool factor of the technology) so Tony piloted the suit himself. It's not unreasonable to assume that since Tony knew he was dying, he would have the forethought to believe the world still needed Iron Man. Being aware of what happened when his technology fell into the wrong hands before, he would only allow Rhodey to pilot his suits. Maybe it was Tony's drunkenness, but he didn't seem surprised at all to see Rhodey wearing the MkII, [=MkII=], and as stated above, Black Widow noted that nobody can pilot Tony's suits without his permission. And even though the film never said it, I can't imagine Tony had no kill switch or something for the MkII [=MkII=] if he really didn't want Rhodey to have the suit. He probably didn't figure he'd take it to Justin Hammer for weaponization, but if he didn't want Rhodey to have the suit, he probably wouldn't have made it out of the house with it.



* Although Stane boasts his suit is "more advanced in every way" it looks far cruder than Tony's: it uses conventional weapons and rockets (albeit very small ones) instead of repulsors, and is so huge and bulky it blurs the line between power armor and a mecha, while the MkIII is small enough to fit around Tony's body, and accurate enough to not, y'know ''snap any of his bones''.

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* Although Stane boasts his suit is "more advanced in every way" it looks far cruder than Tony's: it uses conventional weapons and rockets (albeit very small ones) instead of repulsors, and is so huge and bulky it blurs the line between power armor and a mecha, while the MkIII [=MkIII=] is small enough to fit around Tony's body, and accurate enough to not, y'know ''snap any of his bones''.



** At the time, Tony's suit was being powered by the MkI reactor, which can barely keep the suit running. It was unlikely that he was able to move at full speed without burning the thing out.

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** At the time, Tony's suit was being powered by the MkI [=MkI=] reactor, which can barely keep the suit running. It was unlikely that he was able to move at full speed without burning the thing out.



** It also speaks to the characterization of the relationship between Stane and Tony. Stane's suit is essentially a souped up version of the MkI armor that was reverse engineered by his technicians. On the other hand, as we can see when he starts designing it, Tony basically took the design for the MkI and stripped it down to its bare essentials and then apparently redesigning it from the ground up to build the MkII and III. During this time, Stane has no inkling of what Tony is building in his basement/garage. At this point, Stane only assumes that Tony is fooling around. Furthermore, prior to their battle Stane had never seen the MkIII, much less seen it in action. Here's where characterization starts in. Consider when Tony announced his decision that Stark Industries would abandon weapons manufacturing, Stane doesn't really think that Tony's serious, because he's rarely (if ever) seen Tony actually serious or passionate about something. As long as he's known Tony, Tony has been a spoiled playboy who just happens to be a mechanical genius. From this previous experience, Stane, upon seeing the MkIII for the first time, Stane (probably thinking the same snide remarks that Jarvis made about Tony's choice of colors), assumes that what Tony essentially built is nothing more than a fancy toy. As far as he's concerned, it's a little man-sized hotrod. Naturally, he's going to think that the massive, much more powerful-looking (although it probably can assert more mechanical force than Tony's suit), armed with countless big guns is going to waste Stark's puny suit like its made of paper. In a sense, when it comes to comparisons, Stane is comparing them in the same way he's always compared Tony to himself. The master businessman/pragmatist vs a brilliant but eccentric tinkerer, whose suit he assumes is just full of gimmicks.

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** It also speaks to the characterization of the relationship between Stane and Tony. Stane's suit is essentially a souped up version of the MkI [=MkI=] armor that was reverse engineered by his technicians. On the other hand, as we can see when he starts designing it, Tony basically took the design for the MkI [=MkI=] and stripped it down to its bare essentials and then apparently redesigning it from the ground up to build the MkII [=MkII=] and III. During this time, Stane has no inkling of what Tony is building in his basement/garage. At this point, Stane only assumes that Tony is fooling around. Furthermore, prior to their battle Stane had never seen the MkIII, [=MkIII=], much less seen it in action. Here's where characterization starts in. Consider when Tony announced his decision that Stark Industries would abandon weapons manufacturing, Stane doesn't really think that Tony's serious, because he's rarely (if ever) seen Tony actually serious or passionate about something. As long as he's known Tony, Tony has been a spoiled playboy who just happens to be a mechanical genius. From this previous experience, Stane, upon seeing the MkIII [=MkIII=] for the first time, Stane (probably thinking the same snide remarks that Jarvis made about Tony's choice of colors), assumes that what Tony essentially built is nothing more than a fancy toy. As far as he's concerned, it's a little man-sized hotrod. Naturally, he's going to think that the massive, much more powerful-looking (although it probably can assert more mechanical force than Tony's suit), armed with countless big guns is going to waste Stark's puny suit like its made of paper. In a sense, when it comes to comparisons, Stane is comparing them in the same way he's always compared Tony to himself. The master businessman/pragmatist vs a brilliant but eccentric tinkerer, whose suit he assumes is just full of gimmicks.


* This is one that's been annoying me. Early in the movie, after they blow up the door to take out the guards, Yisen grabs a gun and runs into the hallway to buy some time while the MK1 finishes booting up. He does this by blowing half his clip into the ceiling and running screaming towards a dozen or more heavily armed (and now well alerted) men. One would imagine he could have bought much more time by securing some cover and shooting anyone who came to investigate the explosion, as well as maybe not dying on the way out of the cave. Maybe the guys not a tactical genius, but it doesn't seem like he would need to be to realize this.

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* This is one that's been annoying me. Early in the movie, after they blow up the door to take out the guards, Yisen grabs a gun and runs into the hallway to buy some time while the MK1 [=MK1=] finishes booting up. He does this by blowing half his clip into the ceiling and running screaming towards a dozen or more heavily armed (and now well alerted) men. One would imagine he could have bought much more time by securing some cover and shooting anyone who came to investigate the explosion, as well as maybe not dying on the way out of the cave. Maybe the guys not a tactical genius, but it doesn't seem like he would need to be to realize this.



** If he wanted to die that badly, I'm sure he could have worked out some way to do it with the mass of equipment he and Tony had been given to build a missile. All I'm saying is that he could have sold his life much more dearly then he did, buying more time for the suit to finish booting up, as well as forcing the Ten Rings Mooks into the cave (away from the heavy weapons outside) where the MK1's flame throwers would have had a much greater advantage.

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** If he wanted to die that badly, I'm sure he could have worked out some way to do it with the mass of equipment he and Tony had been given to build a missile. All I'm saying is that he could have sold his life much more dearly then he did, buying more time for the suit to finish booting up, as well as forcing the Ten Rings Mooks into the cave (away from the heavy weapons outside) where the MK1's [=MK1=]'s flame throwers would have had a much greater advantage.



** It's also a demonstration of the differences in their personalities and styles: starting from the same point (the Mk1 armor), they both improved it; Tony's answer was to make it slimmer and more maneuverable, Obadiah's answer was to make it thicker and more heavily armed. Each man thought their way was the "right" way, so Stane looks at Stark's little red [[strike:Corvette]] suit and sees only that Tony hasn't kept up with his advancements.

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** It's also a demonstration of the differences in their personalities and styles: starting from the same point (the Mk1 [=Mk1=] armor), they both improved it; Tony's answer was to make it slimmer and more maneuverable, Obadiah's answer was to make it thicker and more heavily armed. Each man thought their way was the "right" way, so Stane looks at Stark's little red [[strike:Corvette]] suit and sees only that Tony hasn't kept up with his advancements.



* What was the progress bar signifying for the MK1 anyway? Tony said something about a power-up sequence, so was the MK1 charging up or something? Why would that need a computer and what about the Arc Reactor?
** The MK1 was charging up. It had never had a power source beforehand, so they had to both hook up the Arc Reactor to it and initialize it; it probably does have an internal CPU, if only to handle power distribution.

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* What was the progress bar signifying for the MK1 [=MK1=] anyway? Tony said something about a power-up sequence, so was the MK1 [=MK1=] charging up or something? Why would that need a computer and what about the Arc Reactor?
** The MK1 [=MK1=] was charging up. It had never had a power source beforehand, so they had to both hook up the Arc Reactor to it and initialize it; it probably does have an internal CPU, if only to handle power distribution.



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** Tony'd caught a chest full of shrapnel and seen three airmen cut to pieces within a few feet of him when he was captured. He's going to make self-protection against ''more'' bullet or shrapnel wounds a top priority, and regular body armor clearly won't cut it, considering he had a vest on when he was hit and ''still'' ended up battery-powered.


** He didn't hand it over to his engineers because of the minor, insignificant problem that '''SHIELD is coming to arrest him for treason because Pepper just gave them the evidence of his plot to have Tony killed.''' Or did you miss the part where Stane found out that Pepper had copied the evidence from his computer, and then right afterward, the part where he is watching Pepper run off with a SHIELD agent to give him said evidence? It's slightly difficult to have your engineers analyze something while you're in prison awaiting an open-and-shut case for attempted murder and treason.

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** He didn't hand it over to his engineers because of the minor, insignificant problem that '''SHIELD is coming to arrest him for treason because Pepper just gave them the evidence of his plot to have Tony killed.''' Or did you miss the part where Stane found out that Pepper had copied the evidence from his computer, and then right afterward, the part where he is watching Pepper watched her run off with a SHIELD agent to give him said evidence? evidence. It's slightly difficult to have your engineers analyze something while you're in prison awaiting an open-and-shut case for attempted murder and treason.


** ''"We're simply supposed to believe it works without knowing anything other than the name."'' Well, ''yeah.'' We are. A lot of sci-fi power sources are generally just "(insert funny/cool/technical-sounding name here) reactors." As the above troper pointed out, the Arc Reactor is AppliedPhlebotinum. They don't ''need'' to explain how it works, so long as it works, and works consistently.

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** ''"We're simply supposed to believe it works without knowing anything other than the name."'' Well, ''yeah.'' We are. A lot of sci-fi power sources are generally just "(insert funny/cool/technical-sounding name here) reactors." As the above troper pointed out, the "The Arc Reactor is AppliedPhlebotinum. They don't ''need'' to explain how it works, so long as it works, and works consistently.



** Okay they didn't show all that much of the news footage. But wasn't the REAL story the fact that a major US arms company seemed to be shipping these terrorists weapons right off the shelf made in the good ol' U.S. of A? That's what alerted Tony to the situation in the first place, did the news agencies simply not choose to report this? Also wouldn't this have a MASSIVE effect on Stark Industries' stock price? I kind of agree with the above tropers, it would probably be a waste of time to report on the whole situation from a news perspective if one didn't play up the "Stark Weapons" angle.

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** Okay they didn't show all that much of the news footage. But wasn't the REAL story the fact that a major US arms company seemed to be shipping these terrorists weapons right off the shelf made in the good ol' U.S. of A? That's what alerted Tony to the situation in the first place, did the news agencies simply not choose to report this? Also wouldn't this have a MASSIVE effect on Stark Industries' stock price? I kind of agree with the above tropers, it It would probably be a waste of time to report on the whole situation from a news perspective if one didn't play up the "Stark Weapons" angle.



** On a side note, the whole "doctor" thing isn't a very good argument when random tropers can provide easy alternatives...I mean, being a doctor prevents him from staging a siege, not from common sense.

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** On a side note, the whole "doctor" thing isn't a very good argument when random tropers others can provide easy alternatives...I mean, being a doctor prevents him from staging a siege, not from common sense.



** Yes, tropers can provide easy alternatives ... while sitting in front of their computers in their homes in complete safety. Yisen had been through complete hell for god knows how long, and then thrust into really deep shit. I'd say we can cut him a break.

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** Yes, tropers Others can provide easy alternatives ... while sitting in front of their computers in their homes in complete safety. Yisen had been through complete hell for god knows how long, and then thrust into really deep shit. I'd say we can cut him a break.



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** The terrorists told Tony they wanted him to make weapons for them. He did just that; he made a weapon with them specifically in mind, he gave it to them, and he was even kind enough to provide a demonstration of just what it could do. In a way it's FridgeBrilliance because it's an extreme version of Tony Stark's penchant for snark and sarcasm.



** I guess Stane had a chip on his shoulder, and didn't like how Stark was pissing everyones good will down the drain with his womanizing and stupid behavior. Maybe he was offended that such talent should be wasted on someone so irresponsible.

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** I guess Stane had a chip on his shoulder, and didn't like how Stark was pissing everyones everyone's good will down the drain with his womanizing and stupid behavior. Maybe he was offended that such talent should be wasted on someone so irresponsible.



*** That would make sense. No need for Tony's Arc Reactor until it's time to make the suit mobile and figure out what sort of power requirements it takes to run.




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** Whose to say that Stane was sane to begin with?


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** Tony only said the company wasn't producing anymore weapons for the foreseeable future. He didn't say anything about himself personally not making anymore weapons. Beyond that, he was making this weapon for himself, not for anyone else.


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[[folder:So about that electromagnet in Tony's chest]]
* I know it's a comic book movie and physics has to be flexible for it, but wouldn't that electromagnet Tony's carrying around in his chest basically fry/wipe most of the electronics he comes into close contact with?

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** Of course not. You don't call someone a "monster" because they made what seemed to be a rational business decision -- Tony absolutely ''was'' suffering from PTSD and ''was'' making decisions without consulting anybody, effectively shutting down a major part of the company -- and then years later, in a circumstance that none of them could have possibly knew about, it turned out their decision was the wrong one. This question is acting like they knew about the Chitauri invasion and Thanos when they made those decisions, which is obviously incorrect.

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[[folder:What happened to the other shareholders and higher ups in on Stane's plan?]]
*Something I've wondered about the Iron Man film So all those other shareholders and investors and heads of Stark Industries, the ones supporting locking Stark out, kicking him out of the company, seemingly supporting Stanes building of his support and murdering Stark and funding the Rings, what happened to them?

Even if they weren't aware of the latter two, I can't Stark being happy with them and given how successful the company became thanks to Starks change in direction and if they got what they wanted, the human race would be dead, surely they'd be considered terrible business people, monsters and enemies of the human race?

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