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** As said before in the Fridge section, Ellie says that she knows about the Toppat Clan during the credits of ''Pardoned Pals'' as well as the beginning of the ''Capital Gains''. '''Only''' the Toppat Clan, not the Government. The only routes where she did join them are the start of ''Triple Threat'' and one of the two endings in Thief/Allies, with the former Henry, being a government agent, has a new loyal ally which is enough for the government to allow her.
** It wouldn't really make sense for Ellie to contact the government and say "I was locked up at the Wall, a prisoner escaped and abandoned me. Can you guys help get revange?" Especially since Ellie herself is on the government watchlist.

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** As said before in the Fridge section, Ellie says that she knows about the Toppat Clan during the credits of ''Pardoned Pals'' as well as the beginning of the ''Capital Gains''. '''Only''' the Toppat Clan, not the Government. The only routes where she did join them are the start of ''Triple Threat'' and one of the two endings in Thief/Allies, with the former Henry, being a government agent, has a new loyal ally which is enough for the government [[MoralityChain to allow her.
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** It wouldn't really make sense for Ellie to contact the government and say "I was locked up at the Wall, a prisoner escaped and abandoned me. Can you guys help get revange?" revenge?" Especially since Ellie herself is on the government watchlist.
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* Alternatively, Why Ellie shouldn't join the government to get revenge on Henry in the Executive/Ghost route? She instead, when trying to hunting don the bad leader, appears to be willing to join the Toppat Clan (and eventually becomes their leader).

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* Alternatively, Why Ellie shouldn't join the government to get revenge on Henry in the Executive/Ghost route? She instead, when trying to hunting don down the bad leader, appears to be willing to join the Toppat Clan (and eventually becomes their leader).



** It wouldn't really make sense for Ellie to contact the government and say "I was locked up at the Wall, a prisonner escaped and abandonned me. Can you guys help get revange?". Especially since Ellie herself is on the government watchlist.

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** It wouldn't really make sense for Ellie to contact the government and say "I was locked up at the Wall, a prisonner prisoner escaped and abandonned abandoned me. Can you guys help get revange?". revange?" Especially since Ellie herself is on the government watchlist.

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** Why does anything exist?



** Because they would recognize that Henry isn't one of the museum guards. Stick figures can tell themseves apart and there is much less museum employees than Wall employees, so seeing someone you never met before would be suspicious.



Alternatively, Why Ellie shouldn't join the government to get revenge on Henry in the Executive/Ghost route? She instead, when trying to hunting don the bad leader, appears to be willing to join the Toppat Clan (and eventually becomes their leader).
* As said before in the Fridge section, Ellie says that she knows about the Toppat Clan during the credits of ''Pardoned Pals'' as well as the beginning of the ''Capital Gains''. '''Only''' the Toppat Clan, not the Government. The only routes where she did join them are the start of ''Triple Threat'' and one of the two endings in Thief/Allies, with the former Henry, being a government agent, has a new loyal ally which is enough for the government to allow her.

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* Alternatively, Why Ellie shouldn't join the government to get revenge on Henry in the Executive/Ghost route? She instead, when trying to hunting don the bad leader, appears to be willing to join the Toppat Clan (and eventually becomes their leader).
* ** As said before in the Fridge section, Ellie says that she knows about the Toppat Clan during the credits of ''Pardoned Pals'' as well as the beginning of the ''Capital Gains''. '''Only''' the Toppat Clan, not the Government. The only routes where she did join them are the start of ''Triple Threat'' and one of the two endings in Thief/Allies, with the former Henry, being a government agent, has a new loyal ally which is enough for the government to allow her.her.
** It wouldn't really make sense for Ellie to contact the government and say "I was locked up at the Wall, a prisonner escaped and abandonned me. Can you guys help get revange?". Especially since Ellie herself is on the government watchlist.
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** Not only that, but it's the only one where Henry earns the most ire from the Wall pretty much immediately. As elaborated on on the Fridge page, every other ending has him gaining a decent head start in some way (''Rescue'' and ''Ghost''), or have him either presumed dead or actually dead (''Dead'' and ''Betrayed'', respectively). ''Allies'' is the only one where the Wall can immediately pursue Henry and keep track of him, on top of them having greater motivation to do so since that ending had Henry start a full blown PrisonRiot instead of quietly escaping on his own.

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** Not only that, but it's the only one where Henry earns the most ire from the Wall pretty much immediately. As elaborated on on the Fridge page, every other ending has him gaining a decent head start in some way (''Rescue'' and ''Ghost''), or have him either presumed dead or actually dead (''Dead'' and ''Betrayed'', respectively). ''Allies'' is the only one where the Wall can immediately pursue Henry and keep track of him, on top of them having greater motivation to do so since that ending had Henry start a full blown PrisonRiot instead of quietly escaping on his own.


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Alternatively, Why Ellie shouldn't join the government to get revenge on Henry in the Executive/Ghost route? She instead, when trying to hunting don the bad leader, appears to be willing to join the Toppat Clan (and eventually becomes their leader).
*As said before in the Fridge section, Ellie says that she knows about the Toppat Clan during the credits of ''Pardoned Pals'' as well as the beginning of the ''Capital Gains''. '''Only''' the Toppat Clan, not the Government. The only routes where she did join them are the start of ''Triple Threat'' and one of the two endings in Thief/Allies, with the former Henry, being a government agent, has a new loyal ally which is enough for the government to allow her.
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What exactly was it in the Thief/Allies route that was stopping Reginald, RHM, Dmitri and Grigori from just shooting Henry and Ellie as soon as Henry signaled for Charles's help? Dmitri and Grigori in particular had had their guns aimed right at the pair at the time.

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What exactly was it in the Thief/Allies route of ''Mission'' that was stopping Reginald, RHM, Dmitri and Grigori from just shooting Henry and Ellie as soon as Henry signaled for Charles's help? Dmitri and Grigori in particular had had their guns aimed right at the pair at the time.
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What exactly was it in the Thief/Allies route that was stopping Reginald, RHM, Dmitri and Grigori from just shooting Henry and Ellie as soon as Henry signaled for Charles's help? Dmitri and Grigori in particular had had their guns aimed right at the pair at the time.
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** could be a post fail timeline where Henry never caught Galeforce's attention.

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** could Could be a post fail post-fail timeline where Henry never caught Galeforce's attention.


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In the very beginning of Executive/Ghost route, how the heck did Ellie burst unto Toppat airship, while Henry's vehicle was moving downwards to the roof?
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*** One thing to consider about South America: There is no road from Panama to Colombia thanks to the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dari%C3%A9n_Gap Darién Gap]]. If the Dogobogo Jungle is in South America, Henry and Ellie would have had to sneak aboard a ship or ferry at some point, or else made a journey on foot through difficult terrain that would have taken several days (taking the bike with them, too).

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*** One thing to consider about South America: There is no road from Panama to Colombia thanks to the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dari%C3%A9n_Gap org/wiki/Darién_Gap Darién Gap]]. If the Dogobogo Jungle is in South America, Henry and Ellie would have had to sneak aboard a ship or ferry at some point, or else made a journey on foot through difficult terrain that would have taken several days (taking the bike with them, too).
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*** One thing to consider about South America: There is no road from Panama to Colombia thanks to the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dari%C3%A9n_Gap Darién Gap]]. If the Dogobogo Jungle is in South America, Henry and Ellie would have had to sneak aboard a ship or ferry at some point, or else made a journey on foot through difficult terrain that would have taken several days (taking the bike with them, too).
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** could be a post fail timeline where Henry never caught Galeforce's attention.
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** According to [[https://youtu.be/nW9g0CTQqhI?t=7851 this]] [[WordOfGod developer commentary]], he simply thought the the "Staple" option was cooler.
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*** WordOfGod in [[https://youtu.be/_UAglhsIMnk?t=11751 this developer commentary]] has confirmed that this is the case.
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** Alternatively, knowing this series' sense of logic, it might mean "on fence" AKA still deciding, and so pressing ON might have actually been a self destruct or power deactivate button. Henry had the answer right there and got unlucky with his button presses.
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** Reference tells the Right Hand Man that this is a timeline where he never ''met'' Henry. Ergo, this is a timeline where Henry might not have been recruited to bring down the Toppat Clan at all. A timeline that was not in the game's storyline, at the very least.
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* During the Spirit Forme sequence (''Mission'', Executive/Betrayed path), Reference punches the Right Hand Man into another timeline. The thing is, this other timeline doesn't seem to line up with any of the endings of ''Airship''. It's a timeline in which Henry never defeated the RHM, so Executive and Bounty are both out. However, the airship is visibly still flying, which contradicts ''Mission'''s descriptions of Government (Airship Impounded) and Thief (Airship Destroyed). What does that leave?
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** The Government didn't attack arrest the Airship Division literal seconds after getting the evidence, as far as we know. It could have taken them hours, days or maybe even weeks, all of which are enough time for the Right Hand Man to alarm the rest of the clan.
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* In the ''Special BROvert Ops'' path of ''Mission'', Sven manages to identify Henry as the one who "arrested" the Airship division of the Toppat Clan. How could he have known this? In ''GSPI'', the only ones who could have identified Henry are Benjamin Bourseious and Matthew Norbert (both of whom were blasted off the ship, presumably to their deaths), as well as the Right Hand Man (who was arrested along with the rest of the airship's division). The news report states that the Government was tipped off by an anonymous source, so how could Sven possibly know Henry was responsible?

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* In the ''Special BROvert [=BROvert=] Ops'' path of ''Mission'', Sven manages to identify Henry as the one who "arrested" the Airship division of the Toppat Clan. How could he have known this? In ''GSPI'', the only ones who could have identified Henry are Benjamin Bourseious and Matthew Norbert (both of whom were blasted off the ship, presumably to their deaths), as well as the Right Hand Man (who was arrested along with the rest of the airship's division). The news report states that the Government was tipped off by an anonymous source, so how could Sven possibly know Henry was responsible?
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* In the ''Special BROvert Ops'' path of ''Mission'', Sven manages to identify Henry as the one who "arrested" the Airship division of the Toppat Clan. How could he have known this? In ''GSPI'', the only ones who could have identified Henry are Benjamin Bourseious and Matthew Norbert (both of whom were blasted off the ship, presumably to their deaths), as well as the Right Hand Man (who was arrested along with the rest of the airship's division). The news report states that the Government was tipped off by an anonymous source, so how could Sven possibly know Henry was responsible?
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** We don't know the route Henry took to get to the rocket base in the ''Executive/Allies'' route. Since Henry was the Toppat Clan leader, it's entirely possible that he knew about his agents nearby (like the ones seen at the bar at the start(s) of the missions immediately following ''Presumed Dead''), and his route to the jungle base used a more covert means than the motorcycle used by Ellie. With Henry and Ellie "vanished" to who-knows-where, the Wall wouldn't have any leads to follow.

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** We don't know the route Henry took to get to the rocket base in the ''Executive/Allies'' route. Since Henry was the Toppat Clan leader, it's entirely possible that he knew about his agents nearby (like the ones seen at the bar at the start(s) of the missions immediately following ''Presumed Dead''), and his route to the jungle base used a more covert means than the motorcycle used by Ellie. With Henry and Ellie having mysteriously "vanished" to who-knows-where, the Wall wouldn't have any leads to follow.



** Every route that has you trying to stop the Toppat station from launching has the Government pulling out all the stops to do so (one line in the ''Government/Rescue'' route mentions they're "putting all their potatoes in one sack"), and Charles mentions that the flying saucer he uses to get you into space in the ''Government/Dead'' route is a "Secret Government Prototype". It's possible that the Government doesn't have much in the way of space-worthy technology (at least, nothing that can stand a chance against the Toppat station's defenses, which we learn from ''several'' Fails are nothing to sneeze at), and only started working on it once they failed to keep the Toppat station from launching. Most routes that start with the Toppat station already launched mention that it's only been in space for about a week or so, which isn't a lot of time for the Government to make much headway on that, letting Henry beat them to the punch.

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** Every route that has you trying to stop the Toppat station from launching has the Government pulling out all the stops to do so (one line in the ''Government/Rescue'' route mentions they're "putting all their potatoes in one sack"), and Charles mentions that the flying saucer he uses to get you into space in the ''Government/Dead'' route is a "Secret Government Prototype". It's possible that the Government doesn't have much in the way of space-worthy technology (at least, nothing that can stand a chance against the Toppat station's defenses, which we learn from ''several'' Fails are nothing to sneeze at), and only started working on it once they failed to keep the Toppat station from launching. Most routes that start with the Toppat station already launched mention that it's only been in space for about a week or so, which isn't a lot of time for the Government to make much headway on that, letting Henry beat them to the punch. Indeed, ''Government/Dead'' seems to be among the ''latest'' possible times for the station to have been in orbit (up to one or two weeks), so the fact that the Government has a prototype ''at all'' for a potential space assault is a testament to how hard they've been working on the issue.
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** We don't know the route Henry took to get to the rocket base in the ''Executive/Allies'' route. Since Henry was the Toppat Clan leader, it's entirely possible that he knew about his agents nearby (like the ones seen at the bar in the ''Dead'' endings), and his route to the jungle base used a more covert means than the motorcycle used by Ellie. With Henry and Ellie "vanished" to who-knows-where, the Wall wouldn't have any leads to follow.

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** We don't know the route Henry took to get to the rocket base in the ''Executive/Allies'' route. Since Henry was the Toppat Clan leader, it's entirely possible that he knew about his agents nearby (like the ones seen at the bar in at the ''Dead'' endings), start(s) of the missions immediately following ''Presumed Dead''), and his route to the jungle base used a more covert means than the motorcycle used by Ellie. With Henry and Ellie "vanished" to who-knows-where, the Wall wouldn't have any leads to follow.
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** We don't know the route Henry took to get to the rocket base in the ''Executive/Allies'' route. Since Henry was the Toppat Clan leader, it's entirely possible that he knew about his agents nearby (like the ones seen at the bar in the ''Dead'' endings), and his route to the jungle base used a more covert means than the motorcycle used by Ellie. With Henry and Ellie "vanished" to who-knows-where, the Wall wouldn't have any leads to follow.
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** It's probably Travis DeGroot.

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*** Maybe in that specific timeline, he earned the Promotion for something else off-screen.

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*** Maybe in that specific timeline, he earned the Promotion for something else off-screen. Maybe a raid on a different sector of Toppats (The Airship is stated as being one specific divison of Toppats in the Government/Rescue path) that was more successful.



** Since he had no reasons to think Reginald had an hidden gun, he could afford himself to walk away like a badass for a few seconds before flying away with his wings before the airship crashes. He wanted Reginald to see him a bit before Reginald loses everything he has.

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** Since he had no reasons to think Reginald had an hidden gun, he could afford himself to walk away like a badass for a few seconds before flying away with his wings before the airship crashes. He wanted Reginald to see him victorious a bit before Reginald loses everything he has.


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** Even if he did, there were two guards in the same room as the Diamond that would probably question where one of their own guards was going with it.


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** Edging into WMG a bit, but the Wall is almost certainly on the shoreline, and the doctor's bio states she travels all over the world. Her ship could have been sailing south whule she was working on Henry and crossed paths with the Airship (which had to take some kind of detour back into the desert for unknown reasons if the TCW path is any indication, giving her time to catch up) 10 hours before Henry woke up. We just don't know how much time passed between her picking up Henry and Henry waking up, nor how close or far she was from the Toppat base whether she realized it or not. On top of that, we don't know how long it took Henry to catch up to the Airship once he took to the air.
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* At the beginning of the ''Toppat Civil Warfare'' path of ''Mission'', it's stated to be several days after ''Complex'', and the Toppat airship is still on the way to the secret launch base. However, on the ''Revenged'' path, which takes place mere hours after ''Complex'', the airship is almost at the base, despite the fact that they took a detour to pick up Henry from the Wall (likely ''away'' from the Toppat base, since the Wall is in Canada and the base is likely somewhere in South America). Exactly how was a detour like this faster? And, if it wasn't, what were the Toppats ''doing'' on the airship in ''Toppat Civil Warfare'' if they weren't heading for the launch base?
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** I think that Freddy is a guard here seeing as otherwise, he'd be in a prison cell.

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* In ''Just Plain Epic'', what was stopping Henry from stealing Dave's hat and blending in after he ran into the pillar? Both of the guards in the WWII exhibit were out cold, and there was nobody else around. Heck, if he's lucky, Henry could've been seen as Smith.

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** I think that Freddy is a guard here seeing as otherwise, he'd be in a prison cell.

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