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* How the hell did Dmitri and Grigori go back to The Wall with Henry and Ellie in the "The Wall" FAIL at the end of the Thief/Allies route? The Toppat Orbital Station was literally gonna launch in, like, half a minute.
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*** Her bio confirms that she does indeed travel the world. So she was just in the right place at the right time.
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How the hell did Dmitri and Grigori go back to The Wall with Henry and Ellie in the "The Wall" FAIL at the end of the Thief/Allies route? The Toppat Orbital Station was literally gonna launch in, like, half a minute.
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** Since he had no reasons to think Reginald had an hidden gun, he could afford himself to walk away like a badass for a few seconds before flying away with his wings before the airship crashes. He wanted Reginald to see him a bit before Reginald loses everything he has.
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* After Henry had stapled Reginald to the airship, why did he even think for a ''second'' to stay on board? Not only did he stay and walk towards the central control panel, which wouldn't have served him anything, but he also forgot about the fact that the reason he made it onto the airship in the first place was by sprouting wings out of his new cybernetic spine. He could've just flown up and over the airship and watch it crash for a satisfying bout of revenge, rather than stay on board and get shot by Reginald, leading to his own death.
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* After Henry had stapled Reginald to the airship, why did he even think for a ''second'' to stay on board? Not only did he stay and walk towards the central control panel, which wouldn't have served him anything, but he also forgot about the fact that the reason he made it onto the airship in the first place was by sprouting wings out of his new cybernetic spine. He could've just flown up and over the airship and watch it crash for a satisfying bout of revenge, rather than stay on board and get shot by Reginald, leading to his own death.
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** From the moment Reginald says "Well, just shoot it down." in the opening cutscene of ''Jewel Baron'', it takes Henry seven seconds minimum (assuming "Mosquito Mode" is picked as soon as it pops up) to impact the space station. From the moment you pick "Charles" in ''Valiant Hero'', it takes Charles about four seconds to do the same. On top of this, if the opening cutscenes are accurate, Charles starts further away from the station than Henry was at that quoted moment. So yes, Charles was flying much faster than Henry so it's believable that Burt didn't have time to react.
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** From the moment Reginald says "Well, just shoot it down." in the opening cutscene of ''Jewel Baron'', it takes Henry seven seconds minimum (assuming "Mosquito Mode" is picked as soon as it pops up) to impact the space station. From the moment you pick "Charles" when Charles says "This calls for some bold action!" in ''Valiant Hero'', it takes Charles him about four seconds to do the same. On top of this, if the opening cutscenes are accurate, Charles starts further away from the station than Henry was at that quoted moment. So yes, Charles was flying much faster than Henry so it's believable that Burt didn't have time to react.
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** From the moment Reginald says "Well, just shoot it down." in the opening cutscene of ''Jewel Baron'', it takes Henry seven seconds minimum (assuming "Mosquito Mode" is picked as soon as it pops up) to impact the space station. From the moment you pick "Charles" in ''Valiant Hero'', it takes Charles about four seconds to do the same. On top of this, if the opening cutscenes are accurate, Charles starts further away from the station than Henry was at that quoted moment. So yes, Charles was flying much faster than Henry so it's believable that Burt didn't have time to react.
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* How fast was Charles flying the government spacecraft for the Toppats to not shoot him down in time? Clearly faster than in the Drop Off fail, but judging it by speed alone, he looked like he was flying as fast as Henry was un ''Jewel Baron'', which still wasn't fast enough to avoid being shot unless using a Barrel[[note]]Aileron[[/note]] Roll or Mosquito Mode. Point being, Burt, WhyDontYouJustShootHim
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* How fast was Charles flying the government spacecraft for the Toppats to not shoot him down in time? Clearly faster than in the Drop Off fail, but judging it by speed alone, he looked like he was flying as fast as Henry was un ''Jewel Baron'', which still wasn't fast enough to avoid being shot unless using a Barrel[[note]]Aileron[[/note]] Roll or Mosquito Mode. Point being, Burt, WhyDontYouJustShootHim
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* How fast was Charles flying the government spacecraft for the Toppats to not shoot him down in time? Clearly faster than in the Drop Off fail, but judging it by speed alone, he looked like he was flying as fast as Henry was un ''Jewel Baron'', which still wasn't fast enough to avoid being shot unless using a Barrel[[note]]Aileron[[/note]] Roll or Mosquito Mode. Point being, Burt, WhyDontYouJustShootHim
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*** The problem with this notion, though, is that Charles flat-out refers to Galeforce as General in ''Toppat 4 Life'', indicating that the promotion actually went through.
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** As diverse as the storylines for ''Mission'' are, it'd be almost impossible to write the bio so that it'd be true in ''every'' timeline. Maybe we're just supposed to accept that the bio is only true for three out of four endings.
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* The Center for Chaos Containment are firmly established to be [[WellIntentionedExtremist Well-Intentioned Extremists]] trying to keep chaos from spreading by any means necessary, even through outright destruction. However, it seems like they don't know how to properly assess the means to contain chaos based on their level readings. At a chaos reading of 10.6, which is far above average, they mainly focus on trying to destroy the area that has chaos going on in it; nowhere else besides a single city if going for [[YouNukeEm the nuclear option]]. On the other hand, if they only detect ''minor'' chaos readings coming from an established government, there are a few special choices they can opt for. These include [[NuclearOption wiping out the government with a nuclear missile strike]], [[WorldOfSilence freezing the Earth into a permanent, non-chaotic stasis]], or best of all, ''[[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt literally causing the end of the world]]'' ''[[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaMajorasMask via crashing the moon into the planet]]''. Heck, based on the Dark Energy Bomb disc, it doesn't even seem like the CCC is all that concerned for their ''own'' safety. Are they just blind to rational judgement entirely?
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** Alternatively, considering everyone was on a ''rocket taking off at escape velocity'', it's possible the RHM wouldn't have time to fly down for Henry and get back safely before the rocket left the atmosphere.
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** This troper think everyone is more or less normal with the exception of them getting random temporary superpowers (with some exceptions). While Ivan has no excuse, Dmitri and Grigori have:
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** This troper think It's possible that everyone is more or less normal with the exception of them getting random temporary superpowers (with some exceptions). While Ivan has no excuse, Dmitri and Grigori have:
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** Is it really important? There are hundreds of Toppat members so this troper don't see why it's so important to know the identity of this specific Toppat.one should be this important?
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** I think everyone is more or less normal with the exception of them getting random temporary superpowers (with some exceptions). While Ivan has no excuse, Dmitri and Grigori have:
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** I This troper think everyone is more or less normal with the exception of them getting random temporary superpowers (with some exceptions). While Ivan has no excuse, Dmitri and Grigori have:
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** Is it really important? There are hundreds of Toppat members so I this troper don't see why it's so important to know the identity of this specific Toppat.
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In ''Airship'', Hubert Galeforce is captain. In ''Mission'', he is promoted to general, with his bio stating that he got the promotion thanks to raiding the Toppat Airship. That is all good and well in most pathways, but somehow he is also a general in the paths that follow the ''Rapidly Promoted Executive'' ending. In that pathway of ''Airship'', his mission against the Toppats was a complete failure, with Henry taking the offer to become the new leader, and the Toppats remaining at large. How come he was still promoted afterwards?
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* In ''Airship'', Hubert Galeforce is captain. In ''Mission'', he is promoted to general, with his bio stating that he got the promotion thanks to raiding the Toppat Airship. That is all good and well in most pathways, but somehow he is also a general in the paths that follow the ''Rapidly Promoted Executive'' ending. In that pathway of ''Airship'', his mission against the Toppats was a complete failure, with Henry taking the offer to become the new leader, and the Toppats remaining at large. How come he was still promoted afterwards?
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In ''Airship'', Hubert Galeforce is captain. In ''Mission'', he is promoted to general, with his bio stating that he got the promotion thanks to raiding the Toppat Airship. That is all good and well in most pathways, but somehow he is also a general in the paths that follow the "Pure Blooded Thief" ending. In that pathway of ''Airship'', his mission against the Toppats was a complete failure, with Henry taking the offer to become the new leader, and the Toppats remaining at large. How come he was still promoted afterwards?
In ''Airship'', Hubert Galeforce is captain. In ''Mission'', he is promoted to general, with his bio stating that he got the promotion thanks to raiding the Toppat Airship. That is all good and well in most pathways, but somehow he is also a general in the paths that follow the "Pure Blooded Thief" ending. In that pathway of ''Airship'', his mission against the Toppats was a complete failure, with Henry taking the offer to become the new leader, and the Toppats remaining at large. How come he was still promoted afterwards?
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In ''Airship'', Hubert Galeforce is captain. In ''Mission'', he is promoted to general, with his bio stating that he got the promotion thanks to raiding the Toppat Airship. That is all good and well in most pathways, but somehow he is also a general in the paths that follow the"Pure Blooded Thief" ''Rapidly Promoted Executive'' ending. In that pathway of ''Airship'', his mission against the Toppats was a complete failure, with Henry taking the offer to become the new leader, and the Toppats remaining at large. How come he was still promoted afterwards?
In ''Airship'', Hubert Galeforce is captain. In ''Mission'', he is promoted to general, with his bio stating that he got the promotion thanks to raiding the Toppat Airship. That is all good and well in most pathways, but somehow he is also a general in the paths that follow the
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In ''Airship'', Hubert Galeforce is captain. In ''Mission'', he is promoted to general, with his bio stating that he got the promotion thanks to raiding the Toppat Airship. That is all good and well in most pathways, but somehow he is also a general in the paths that follow the "Pure Blooded Thief" ending. In that pathway of ''Airship'', his mission against the Toppats was a complete failure, with Henry taking the offer to become the new leader, and the Toppats remaining at large. How come he was still promoted afterwards?
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In ''Airship'', Hubert Galeforce is captain. In ''Mission'', he is promoted to general, with his bio stating that he got the promotion thanks to raiding the Toppat Airship. That is all good and well in most pathways, but somehow he is also a general in the paths that follow the "Pure Blooded Thief" ending. In that pathway of ''Airship'', his mission against the Toppats was a complete failure, with Henry taking the offer to become the new leader, and the Toppats remaining at large. How come he was still promoted afterwards?
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*** That or Henry can’t pronounce the word “library”, which (as written on the pardon) invalidates the pardon. Henry almost never speaks, and we never hear him say “library”.
** ''Bank'' likely takes place on August 27, 2008, true. However, ''Prison'' does not have a definitive starting date - the tally marks only imply that Henry was held in ''Red Mesa'' Penitentiary for 33 days, not that it had been 33 days since he was arrested. Even so, that cell could have been in use before Henry was thrown in, so we have no idea how long he was held. Furthermore, the Multiverse Correction Ending puts the “approximately one year” date as the same day Dave received the package, not the same day Henry was arrested.
** The rocket has an emergency launch protocol that can be activated from the cockpit, as seen in ''SSR''. The reason why the rocket took off so soon in ''TT'' is because Sven panicked and activated the launch protocol while Henry and Ellie were distracting everyone else - if someone broke into your rocket and danced past all your gang members, wouldn’t you do the same? As for why Sven didn’t activate the launch protocol in ''SBO'', Henry got into the rocket completely undetected, and by the time he was the engine had been sabotaged so the protocol couldn’t be activated (that and Sven was busy pointing a gun at Henry).
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* So, the ''Jewel Baron'' ending reveals that the Toppat Leader has his own escape pod. However, in the ''Valiant Hero'' ending, [[WhatAnIdiot Sven doesn't go in the escape pod]], and instead takes a Luxury Escape Pod. Why?Why?
** ''Jewel Baron'' has Reginald remain in his luxury room/escape pod for the entirety of the route, from beginning to end. However, ''Valiant Hero'' shows Sven still in the cockpit (the “Beam Aboard” fail has him point a gun at Henry) and not in that pod. It’s likely that when Charles pulled off his Greatest Plan, Sven travelled from the cockpit to the nearest escape pod - which happens to be the Luxury Escape Pod he’s in when Henry and Charles get there.
** ''Jewel Baron'' has Reginald remain in his luxury room/escape pod for the entirety of the route, from beginning to end. However, ''Valiant Hero'' shows Sven still in the cockpit (the “Beam Aboard” fail has him point a gun at Henry) and not in that pod. It’s likely that when Charles pulled off his Greatest Plan, Sven travelled from the cockpit to the nearest escape pod - which happens to be the Luxury Escape Pod he’s in when Henry and Charles get there.
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So, the ''Jewel Baron'' ending reveals that the Toppat Leader has his own escape pod. However, in the ''Valiant Hero'' ending, [[WhatAnIdiot Sven doesn't go in the escape pod]], and instead takes a Luxury Escape Pod. Why?
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** Is it really important? There are hundreds of Toppat members so I don't see why it's so important to know the identity of this specific Toppat.
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** Well, he's 100% not Burt Curtis, so that guy is off the list.
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* In both ''Special [=BROvert=] Ops'' and ''Little Nest Egg'', there's a whiny, scared voice alerting the higher-ups of the Toppat Clan about present dangers.
-->'''SBO:''' Uh, sir?! You might wanna get us outta here! We got the Government coming right now at our front door! ...Sir? Hello? At least open the locks and let us get to our weapons!
-->'''LNE 1:''' Mr. Macbeth! Passenger Car 3 has been smashed by a tank! We're under attack!
-->'''LNE 2:''' He got away! We can't follow him through the tunnel!
* Question is, who does this voice belong to? The only hint we have to go off of is that, if the voice can't follow Henry through the tunnel, then they have to be part of the caravan.
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* In both ''Special [=BROvert=] Ops'' and ''Little Nest Egg'', there's a whiny, scared voice alerting the higher-ups of the Toppat Clan about present dangers.
-->'''SBO:''' Uh, sir?! You might wanna get us outta here! We got the Government coming right now at our front door! ...Sir? Hello? At least open the locks and let us get to our weapons!
-->'''LNE 1:''' Mr. Macbeth! Passenger Car 3 has been smashed by a tank! We're under attack!
-->'''LNE 2:''' He got away! We can't follow him through the tunnel!
* Question is, who does this voice belong to? The only hint we have to go off of is that, if the voice can't follow Henry through the tunnel, then they have to be part of the caravan.
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* However, this raises another question. Why doesn't the Wall attempt to pursue Henry in ''Toppat King''? If they went after Henry in that route, it would be a double profit for the Wall in that they could also attempt to apprehend all of the Toppats at once. And based on ''Thief/Allies'', they're a force to be reckoned with. They were able to fend off against both Henry's Government and Toppat members at once, an employee was able to climb up the tower faster than Henry and Ellie were able to get up there by flying, and even with the bridge to the rocket being shot out, Dmitri and Grigori were able to keep up with Henry and Ellie's stroke of good luck and board the rocket.
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* However, this raises another question. Why doesn't the Wall attempt to pursue Henry in ''Toppat King''? If they went after Henry in that route, it would be a double profit for the Wall in that they could also attempt to apprehend all of the Toppats at once. And based on ''Thief/Allies'', they're a force to be reckoned with. They were able to fend off against both Henry's Government and Toppat members at once, an employee was able to climb up the tower faster than Henry and Ellie were able to get up there by flying, and even with the bridge to the rocket being shot out, Dmitri and Grigori were able to keep up with Henry and Ellie's stroke of good luck and board the rocket.
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** Dmitri and Grigori could have just jumped through the hole in the bridge or take a different way.
** Henry's ''awful'' aiming could be the reason for Dmitri surviving.
** Dmitri and Grigori could have just jumped through the hole in the bridge or take a different way.
** Henry's ''awful'' aiming could be the reason for Dmitri surviving.
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