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** In real life, this is called [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onion_routing Onion routing.]] Tor uses it.
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** It's implied in chapter 28 that being able to transfigure under combat conditions is difficult enough that trying it is pretty much a guaranteed death sentence. Much better to just try and dodge.
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In chapter 79, Dumbledore (temporarily) retrieves the Map of Hogwarts, and uses it to search for a "Tom Riddle". Quirrel has already been taken into custody at this point, so the only person who would show up on said map would be Harry. However, why would Dumbledore not try to use the map more often? After all, he suspects the shade of Voldemort is hiding at Hogwarts and occasionally possessing people. The map identifies people by their mind, not their body (which Dumbledore knows, because Harry shows up as "Tom Riddle"), so anyone possessed by Voldemort should show up as "Tom Riddle". Why doesn't he check the map more often? Or use it in combination with the time turner while investigating either the chapter 79 or 89 incidents (in case Voldemort had cut his time-turner evasion close because he didn't know about the map)?
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In chapter 79, Dumbledore (temporarily) retrieves the Map of Hogwarts, and uses it to search for a "Tom Riddle". Quirrel has already been taken into custody at this point, so the only person who would show up on said map would be Harry. However, why would Dumbledore not try to use the map more often? After all, he suspects the shade of Voldemort is hiding at Hogwarts and occasionally possessing people. The map identifies people by their mind, not their body (which Dumbledore knows, because Harry shows up as "Tom Riddle"), so anyone possessed by Voldemort should show up as "Tom Riddle". Why doesn't he check the map more often? Or use it in combination with the time turner while investigating either the chapter 79 or 89 incidents (in case Voldemort had cut his time-turner evasion close because he didn't know about the map)?
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**Because to send a Patronus you must honestly wish to tell a messsage. What can you possibly say to[[spoiler: Death incarnate that can't communicate with you? Especially if it behaves as you expect it to, and you know that it CAN'T talk, or even think.]]
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**[[spoiler:Despite knowing a great deal of information theory and caring about rationality, Harry is still influenced by his emotions, and his mysterious dark side carries a heavy bias regarding death.]]
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** Person A wants to send a letter to person D, anonymously. He puts the letter in an envelope with D's name on it, then puts that envelope in an envelope with C's name on it, then hands it to person B. B gives it to C, who opens it and finds the envelope with D's name on it. He hands that envelope to person D. B doesn't know about D, and C doesn't know about A.
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** Yes he does, since he's got the envelope with the receiver's name on it!
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** But not who the receiver is.
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Let's see. The description of the so-called perfect delivery system is:
''"what you used if you wanted to communicate with someone without anyone else knowing that the two of you had talked. The sender gave an envelope to someone who had a reputation for being a reliable messenger, along with ten Knuts; that first person would take five Knuts and pass the envelope to another messenger along with the other five Knuts, and the second messenger would open up that envelope and find another envelope with a name written on it and deliver that envelope to that person. That way neither of the two people passing the message knew both the sender and the recipient, so no one else knew that those two parties had been in contact..."''
But where does the enveloppe with the name come from ?
* From the person wanting to pass a message.
** But then the second messenger ''knows'' who the sender is… ?!?
''"what you used if you wanted to communicate with someone without anyone else knowing that the two of you had talked. The sender gave an envelope to someone who had a reputation for being a reliable messenger, along with ten Knuts; that first person would take five Knuts and pass the envelope to another messenger along with the other five Knuts, and the second messenger would open up that envelope and find another envelope with a name written on it and deliver that envelope to that person. That way neither of the two people passing the message knew both the sender and the recipient, so no one else knew that those two parties had been in contact..."''
But where does the enveloppe with the name come from ?
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** But then the second messenger ''knows'' who the sender is… ?!?
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** But then the second messenger ''knows'' who the sender is… ?!?
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Let's see. The description of the so-called perfect delivery system is:
''"what you used if you wanted to communicate with someone without anyone else knowing that the two of you had talked. The sender gave an envelope to someone who had a reputation for being a reliable messenger, along with ten Knuts; that first person would take five Knuts and pass the envelope to another messenger along with the other five Knuts, and the second messenger would open up that envelope and find another envelope with a name written on it and deliver that envelope to that person. That way neither of the two people passing the message knew both the sender and the recipient, so no one else knew that those two parties had been in contact..."''
But where does the enveloppe with the name come from ?
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** According to MoR!blood purists, the weakening in magic anyone could observe was caused by dilution of blood, but since Harry somewhat proved that magic is not weakening because of that reason, and that muggelborns are not weaker than purebloods, Lucius' whole castle in the air crumbles, thus Draco is pretty shocked.The problem is that interbreeding in the MoR-verse is not a cause for loss of subjective magical power.
** At least in the MoR-verse, power and wealth in the wizarding world used to be extremely concentrated in the noble houses. To a large degree it still is, to the point Draco thinks he could beat a rape charge no problem. Lucius may be somewhat concerned with preserving magical power, but acceptance of muggleborns would create an emerging middle class of wizards who are not indebted to the Noble Houses (remember that home or business loans are typically handled by asking the Noble you're friendliest with) and may soon develop and deploy financial techniques unheard of in Wizarding Britain to vastly upset the socio-economic balance, whose families cannot be easily leveraged against them because of muggle protection laws, and, as evidenced by Hermione, hold the potential to become some of the greatest wizards of their generations. Claiming the suppression of muggleborns is about blood purism and the preservation of magical strength is just a way to motivate the wizard underclasses who otherwise would likely be loathe to support the Noble houses.
** At least in the MoR-verse, power and wealth in the wizarding world used to be extremely concentrated in the noble houses. To a large degree it still is, to the point Draco thinks he could beat a rape charge no problem. Lucius may be somewhat concerned with preserving magical power, but acceptance of muggleborns would create an emerging middle class of wizards who are not indebted to the Noble Houses (remember that home or business loans are typically handled by asking the Noble you're friendliest with) and may soon develop and deploy financial techniques unheard of in Wizarding Britain to vastly upset the socio-economic balance, whose families cannot be easily leveraged against them because of muggle protection laws, and, as evidenced by Hermione, hold the potential to become some of the greatest wizards of their generations. Claiming the suppression of muggleborns is about blood purism and the preservation of magical strength is just a way to motivate the wizard underclasses who otherwise would likely be loathe to support the Noble houses.
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** According to MoR!blood [=MoR=]!blood purists, the weakening in magic anyone could observe was caused by dilution of blood, but since Harry somewhat proved that magic is not weakening because of that reason, and that muggelborns are not weaker than purebloods, Lucius' whole castle in the air crumbles, thus Draco is pretty shocked.The problem is that interbreeding in the MoR-verse is not a cause for loss of subjective magical power.
** At least in theMoR-verse, [=MoR=]-verse, power and wealth in the wizarding world used to be extremely concentrated in the noble houses. To a large degree it still is, to the point Draco thinks he could beat a rape charge no problem. Lucius may be somewhat concerned with preserving magical power, but acceptance of muggleborns would create an emerging middle class of wizards who are not indebted to the Noble Houses (remember that home or business loans are typically handled by asking the Noble you're friendliest with) and may soon develop and deploy financial techniques unheard of in Wizarding Britain to vastly upset the socio-economic balance, whose families cannot be easily leveraged against them because of muggle protection laws, and, as evidenced by Hermione, hold the potential to become some of the greatest wizards of their generations. Claiming the suppression of muggleborns is about blood purism and the preservation of magical strength is just a way to motivate the wizard underclasses who otherwise would likely be loathe to support the Noble houses.
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** On the plus side, Harry didn't go all [[Film/LiarLiar Fletcher Reed]] in an [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAE7uOO_4v4 effort to try escaping that particular geas.]] Mind, by the end, he had more important things to do than random scientific experimentation which would probably get him splattered.
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* Harry tries a single test to verify that Parseltongue forces honesty, however, it never occurs to him to try any clever workarounds. For instance, you can easily tell a lie if you're able to stop speaking mid-sentence: "Two plus two is eight divided by two," becomes "Two plus two is eight--." Or you could swap yourself into a strange mental context where 2+2 really ''does'' equal 8, if you just imagine that the symbols have different meanings. Presumably there's a reason that none of these strategies would work, but Harry should have thought to ''try.'' The outcome is bound to reveal something interesting about the inner workings of magic.
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* Harry tries a single test to verify that Parseltongue forces honesty, however, it never occurs to him to try any clever workarounds. For instance, you can easily tell a lie if you're able to stop speaking mid-sentence: "Two plus two is eight divided by two," becomes "Two plus two is eight--." Or you could swap yourself into a strange mental context where 2+2 really ''does'' equal 8, if you just imagine that the symbols have different meanings. Presumably there's a reason that none of these strategies would work, but Harry should have thought to ''try.'' The outcome is bound to reveal something interesting about the inner workings of magic.
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* Harry Time-Turns while carrying the Stone, and this is apparently completely okay. So instead of treating about 369 cases per day, the Stone could treat about 461.
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* Harry Time-Turns while carrying the Stone, and this is apparently completely okay. So instead of treating about 369 cases per day, the Stone could treat about 461.
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** Is there any reason why they couldn't avoid the problem of limited use of the Stone by simply transfiguring a copy of the Stone and using the original to make it a permanent transfiguration? Seems if that were done then you could effectively eliminate any problems of limited use by making as many Stones as you needed.
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* Is there any reason why they couldn't avoid the problem of limited use of the Stone by simply transfiguring a copy of the Stone and using the original to make it a permanent transfiguration? Seems if that were done then you could effectively eliminate any problems of limited use by making as many Stones as you needed.
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** there's the fact that the enchantment doesn't come with the transfiguration, as mentioned with transfigured brooms.
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** Is there any reason why they couldn't avoid the problem of limited use of the Stone by simply transfiguring a copy of the Stone and using the original to make it a permanent transfiguration? Seems if that were done then you could effectively eliminate any problems of limited use by making as many Stones as you needed.
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** They could just transfigure her older at the appropriate mental age.
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* I don't know if this is horror or brilliance, but if people can get permanently transfigured, then their bodies can no longer change and women can no longer get pregnant. Not of infertility, just that their bodies won't change to accomodate a growing fetus. One can only imagine what would happen if after many years (and many sexual encounters) a woman managed to reverse the permanency of the eternal youth transfiguration.
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* I don't know if this is horror or brilliance, but if people can get permanently transfigured, then their bodies can no longer change and women can no longer get pregnant. Not of infertility, just that their bodies won't change to accomodate accommodate a growing fetus. One can only imagine what would happen if after many years (and many sexual encounters) a woman managed to reverse the permanency of the eternal youth transfiguration.
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** The stone doesn't actually make transfigurations permanent. It makes transfigurations ''real'', as real as if it had arisen naturally. So Flemel was still aging, but would just transfigure himself younger every few years. That will make granting immortality to everyone a logistical nightmare, since they'll need periodic updates, but if nothing else it will give them a few centuries to come up with more permanent solutions.
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** The stone doesn't actually make transfigurations permanent. It makes transfigurations ''real'', as real as if it had arisen naturally. So Flemel Flamel was still aging, but would just transfigure himself younger every few years. That will make granting immortality to everyone a logistical nightmare, since they'll need periodic updates, but if nothing else it will give them a few centuries to come up with more permanent solutions.
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** [[spoiler:Hermione]] might have the original form of this issue, though, given that [[spoiler:she is constantly being transfigured back to the same form like a mountain troll. Age 12]] forever?
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** It helps, in this case, that the code itself was 13-letter rotation, or [[http://rot13.com ROT13]], which, amongst its other benefits, is both easy to remember and symmetrical. The resultant code translates to [[spoiler: M-C-T-O-F-L S-I-L-V-E-R-O-N-T-H-E-T-R-E-E, which is simple enough: [=McGonagall=] to Flitwick is the first part's meaning.]]
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** Even if effects in canon did look like partial transfiguration, they aren't inconsistent with MoR!transfiguration rules. Under MoR rules, you can use normal transfiguration to create an effect that looks a lot like partial transfiguration, it just takes longer. You can't transfigure part of a metal ball, but you 'can' transigure a whole metal ball into a ball made mostly of metal and a little bit made of something else.
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** The discussion of Flamel giving out 'dollops' of youth to people s/he wanted to keep around for a while strongly implies that you age normally after the change made by the Stone. After all, if your body couldn't change ''at all'' then none of your biological processes would work anyway.
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** The Comed-Tea story thread is designed to address a frequent complaint about the 6th canon book/movie: the Felix Felicis potion. The potion is clearly just a plot device to make Harry's interactions with Slughorn a bit more amusing. If a potion actually did exist to create good fortune, any halfway sensible wizard would be constantly brewing stockpiles of the stuff for use during crisis situations (eg Harry's frequent shootouts with Death Eaters). The only explanation: the potion doesn't actually create the good fortune, it merely anticipates it via prophecy and then compels the owner to drink it just beforehand.
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** Maybe Eliezer wanted the Secrecy to coincide with the discovery of the scientific method.
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*** But that doesn't explain why Eliezer changed the founding date. If Hogwarts was founded a thousand years ago in HPMOR just as in canon, it would obviously be around in Roger Bacon's time.
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*** But that doesn't explain why Eliezer changed the founding date. If Hogwarts was founded a thousand years ago in HPMOR just as in canon, it would obviously be around in Roger Bacon's time.