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* In season 14, its stated that Dr Ellis Grey took Dr Cerones name off her ‘Grey Method’ paper as Ellis wanted a Harper Avery award, which Cerone couldn’t be eligible for due to her gag order over Avery’s sexual harassment of Cerone. However when we first meet Harper Avery himself in season 6, Jackson states quite clearly that only work by a single surgeon can be eligible for a Harper Avery award. So having Greys and Cerones names both on the paper would have made it ineligible on that basis, not necessarily because of Cerone and the gag order. So which was it? Or a combination of both?

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* In season 14, its stated that Dr Ellis Grey took Dr Cerones name off her ‘Grey Method’ paper as Ellis wanted a Harper Avery award, which Cerone couldn’t be eligible for due to her gag order over Avery’s sexual harassment of Cerone. However when we first meet Harper Avery himself in season 6, Jackson states quite clearly that only work by a single surgeon can be eligible for a Harper Avery award. So having Greys and Cerones names both on the paper would have made it ineligible on that basis, not necessarily because of Cerone and the gag order. So which was it? Or a combination of both?both?
** It's possible that the rules changed in the meantime.
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** Mrs. Clark died because of Derek's instruction to pull the plug. By telling Cristina not to operate, Mr. Clark is putting Derek in the same position he felt his wife was in (being allowed to die because doctor's wouldn't intervene,) creating more of a parallel than just outright shooting Derek would have. He specifically wanted Derek to die from a lack of care.

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** Mrs. Clark died because of Derek's instruction to pull the plug. By telling Cristina not to operate, Mr. Clark is putting Derek in the same position he felt his wife was in (being allowed to die because doctor's doctors wouldn't intervene,) creating more of a parallel than just outright shooting Derek would have. He specifically wanted Derek to die from a lack of care.
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** Mrs. Clark died because of Derek's instruction to pull the plug. By telling Cristina not to operate, Mr. Clark is putting Derek in the same position he felt his wife was in (being allowed to die because doctor's wouldn't intervene,) creating more of a parallel than just outright shooting Derek would have. He specifically wanted Derek to die from a lack of care.
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* I can understand Gary Clark's motivation at seeking revenge (well, actually... no, I can't. He was needlessly excessive and broad in his violence, supposedly directed at one man he held personally responsible); what I can't understand at all is his wife's original doctors ''never properly explaining what a Do Not Resuscitate order covers''. He seemed to be under the assumption that his wife only wanted to be taken off life support if she was on it due to complications from her illness. [[YouFailYourMedicalBoardsForever That's not how DNRs work]]. At any time for the rest of her life (or until she signed something revoking her standing DNR), any medical professional treating her would have to respect the order she signed. The fact that her husband didn't understand his wife's own wishes is more his own fault than any doctor's.

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* I can understand Gary Clark's motivation at seeking revenge (well, actually... no, I can't. He was needlessly excessive and broad in his violence, supposedly directed at one man he held personally responsible); what I can't understand at all is his wife's original doctors ''never properly explaining what a Do Not Resuscitate order covers''. He seemed to be under the assumption that his wife only wanted to be taken off life support if she was on it due to complications from her illness. [[YouFailYourMedicalBoardsForever [[ArtisticLicenseMedicine That's not how DNRs work]]. At any time for the rest of her life (or until she signed something revoking her standing DNR), any medical professional treating her would have to respect the order she signed. The fact that her husband didn't understand his wife's own wishes is more his own fault than any doctor's.
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* In season 14, its stated that Dr Ellis Grey took Dr Cerones name off her ‘Grey Method’ paper as Ellis wanted a Harper Avery award, which Cerone couldn’t be eligible for due to her gag order over Avery’s sexual harassment of Cerone. However when we first meet Harper Avery himself in season 6, Jackson states quite clearly that only work by a single surgeon can be eligible for a Harper Avery award. So having Greys and Cerones names both on the paper would have made it ineligible on that basis, not necessarily because of Cerone and the gag order. So which was it? Or a combination of both?
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** Also, we know that most of Meredith’s life outside of school, while growing up, was at the hospital, being dragged there by her workaholic mother. Whereas Jackson says in season 14 he knew he’d end up becoming a surgeon when he grew up due to being an Avery, so spent a lot of time playing around and enjoying life. It’s likely his mother also paid for private school, or extra curricular activities, as she didn’t have money growing up and wanted to provide for him what she didn’t have. Meaning that Jackson could have easily avoided going to hospitals where Meredith would be hanging around. And Ellis wasn’t the best mother, so possibly wouldn’t have been wanting to show her daughter off. And it’s pointed out in season 14 Maggie worked at Jackson’s social club and they didn’t remember or recall each other.
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**It's either been implied or outright stated that Meredith took some time off when it came to her schooling, so when the show began, she was older than the average intern and if Jackson is around the same age as Lexie or Maggie, there is at least 5 years between them, which is a huge gap when people are kids. She could have also stayed out of the medicine social sphere as well, so they never properly met.
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** They both were butting heads with each other a lot over who was more of a parent, he probably just wanted to assert his relationship. It wasn't right but it was a very emotional time, especially when Arizona kind of caused the crash.
* How are Meredith and Jackson not old friends? They're about the same age and both grew up in Boston as part of prestigious medical families. In one episode, it even shows that Meredith's mom and Jackson's grandfather were friends! And yet, the two didn't seem to know each other when they met in season 6.
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** Regarding the two attendings thing, that's probably some liability built into their flight contract because attending surgeons are very good in their field and too valuable to lose, so it'd be irresponsible to put a lot of them on the same plane and it's then the hospital's fault for doing that if something happens. The same kind of clause is written into transport contracts of other industries: like in showbiz you don't put your entire cast on the same plane, and a lot of parents who travel independently to work without their kids won't get on the same flight, or if we're talking about value then when transporting museum exhibits every piece is taken separately. Basically, charter company contract says "attending surgeons are valuable property, if you put more than 2 of the best on one flight we will not be responsible if they all get injured because that was a really dumb idea" -- a lot of insurance payout comes from lost wage and whatnot with Derek's $2 million hand needing to be super steady for brain surgery, and Arizona's field of pediatrics being pretty active and emotional and smiley, and Mark in Plastics one of the highest-income fields of surgery. And on point 2: yes, Owen has hurt his friends, he wants to give them the money.
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** And it's not like it's every episode, it's probably 1/2 at most of them, and it's not like it's every case in those episodes (and episodes have covered time periods from about an hour to over a year). That probably averages at once a week, and that can't be unusual to find in a really big, successful hospital. Not to mention some of the seemingly obscure medical cases are way more common than you'd think.
*** The show has been doing a really good job of having episodes centered on personal problems or making simple/boring medical cases interesting. It has right from the start, but you remember all the disasters and weird conditions more.
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* How old is Arizona? Seriously, she looks like she's in her early 30s but let's look at the facts. She was made Head of Pediatrics in season 5, and it's treated like an obvious progression so she can't have been exceptionally young for the post -- Maggie is seen as, at 30, very young to be made a Chief of a department. So, Arizona is at least a few years older than that in season 5. Though, it's strongly implied that she became a doctor because her brother died due to lack of Army doctors in the Middle East. They're supposed to be about the same age, although going by Nick's age in season 8, her brother might have been a bit younger and so she might not have gone to medical school right away because logically he needed time after 18 to sign up then serve then die, making her even older. So, say late-30s in season 5. There's also the fact that she's older than Callie, who is said to be an age-appropriate choice for Mark when he's dating Lexie, with Mark being born in 1967 so Arizona must have been born around then, too. Are we supposed to believe she's 50? (Though this would make sense with some of the details she gives of her childhood -- her grandfather serving in WW2 means her dad was probably born in the 1940s and given the family then she'd be born less than 30 years later, the masses of homophobia suggests she grew up either a decent length of time ago or somewhere podunk, maybe both, and she'd be going to college during the height of the AIDS crisis which may be, apart from her general characterization as human saccharine, reason why she wants to help treat the African babies, who are often born with HIV/AIDS.) But, really, she doesn't look it at all, and Jessica Capshaw isn't old, either.

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* How old is Arizona? Seriously, she looks like she's in her early 30s but let's look at the facts. She was made Head of Pediatrics in season 5, and it's treated like an obvious progression so she can't have been exceptionally young for the post -- Maggie is seen as, at 30, very young to be made a Chief of a department. So, Arizona is at least a few years older than that in season 5. Though, it's strongly implied that she became a doctor because her brother died due to lack of Army doctors in the Middle East. They're supposed to be about the same age, although going by Nick's age in season 8, her brother might have been a bit younger and so she might not have gone to medical school right away because logically he needed time after 18 to sign up then serve then die, making her even older. So, say late-30s in season 5. There's also the fact that she's older than Callie, who is said to be an age-appropriate choice for Mark when he's dating Lexie, with Mark being born in 1967 so Arizona must have been born around then, too. Are we supposed to believe she's 50? (Though this would make sense with some of the details she gives of her childhood -- her grandfather serving in WW2 World War II means her dad was probably born in the 1940s and given the family then she'd be born less than 30 years later, the masses of homophobia suggests she grew up either a decent length of time ago or somewhere podunk, maybe both, and she'd be going to college during the height of the AIDS crisis which may be, apart from her general characterization as human saccharine, reason why she wants to help treat the African babies, who are often born with HIV/AIDS.) But, really, she doesn't look it at all, and Jessica Capshaw isn't old, either.
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* After Arizona becomes Head of Fetal Surgery, why does she stop doing Pediatric Surgery? She basically becomes a glorified [=OB/GYN=], but if ever Alex isn't around they hand child patients off to the unseen peds department instead of Arizona, ''even if she's already there''. You could argue that surgeons aren't covered to work outside of their specialty, but they always do so it's really irrelevant. Plus, fetal is ''technically'' under the broader scope of peds (it'd be either Pediatric Surgery or Maternal and Fetal Medicine, and it's a surgical department) until the hospital got good enough to have a full department. Even if it wasn't, it's supposedly understood that stepping up to take the Head of Fetal job doesn't remove her from being part of the peds department, just she can't be Head of both at the same time. There's no reason for her to not work with children ''and'' fetuses and mothers. She barely even (on-screen) develops in-utero surgeries any more, only seems to give ultrasounds and deliver babies.
* When Mark and Arizona are being told to decide whether to deliver Sofia after the car crash, surely Mark would defer to Arizona's opinion, not get mad at her for having one. It's literally her specialty, that she's one of the best in the world in. He's a plastic surgeon and knows nothing about babies, why does he yell that he's got to be right and she -- the pediatric surgeon (which at this time incorporated fetal surgery) -- is wrong?

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** Also would make sense why she's good friends with Webber, and friends more on a peer level rather than the mentor-mentee thing he has with Bailey.

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** Also would make sense why she's good friends with Webber, and friends more on a peer level rather than the mentor-mentee thing he has with Bailey.Bailey.
** Might answer why she [[spoiler:miscarried so early]], too -- just too old.
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** Also would make sense why she's good friends with Webber, and friends more on a peer level rather than the mentor-mentee thing he has with Bailey.

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*** How about not scaring patients as a reason? They probably don't even hear the doctors saying GSW, but ears are drawn to words like "gun".



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Here is something that bothered me regarding the aftermath of the plane crash. Jackson and Lexie were in a relationship and really liked each other for a little while. Even though the plane crash occurred after they broke up, why doesn't he react to or say something about her death? Anytime he is in a scene where Lexie's death is explicitly mentioned, there is just a look on his face that shows he understands what happened but he doesn't make any comment. I find it odd and kind of annoying that his ex-girlfriend, who he once really liked and was on good terms with even after the break-up, died and there is not even one single moment of Jackson saying anything about it. Back in season 6, Lexie said something about George's death. It wasn't a whole lot, but it was still an acknowledgement of somebody she cared about dying.

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* Here is something that bothered me regarding the aftermath of the plane crash. Jackson and Lexie were in a relationship and really liked each other for a little while. Even though the plane crash occurred after they broke up, why doesn't he react to or say something about her death? Anytime he is in a scene where Lexie's death is explicitly mentioned, there is just a look on his face that shows he understands what happened but he doesn't make any comment. I find it odd and kind of annoying that his ex-girlfriend, who he once really liked and was on good terms with even after the break-up, died and there is not even one single moment of Jackson saying anything about it. Back in season 6, Lexie said something about George's death. It wasn't a whole lot, but it was still an acknowledgement of somebody she cared about dying.dying.
* How old is Arizona? Seriously, she looks like she's in her early 30s but let's look at the facts. She was made Head of Pediatrics in season 5, and it's treated like an obvious progression so she can't have been exceptionally young for the post -- Maggie is seen as, at 30, very young to be made a Chief of a department. So, Arizona is at least a few years older than that in season 5. Though, it's strongly implied that she became a doctor because her brother died due to lack of Army doctors in the Middle East. They're supposed to be about the same age, although going by Nick's age in season 8, her brother might have been a bit younger and so she might not have gone to medical school right away because logically he needed time after 18 to sign up then serve then die, making her even older. So, say late-30s in season 5. There's also the fact that she's older than Callie, who is said to be an age-appropriate choice for Mark when he's dating Lexie, with Mark being born in 1967 so Arizona must have been born around then, too. Are we supposed to believe she's 50? (Though this would make sense with some of the details she gives of her childhood -- her grandfather serving in WW2 means her dad was probably born in the 1940s and given the family then she'd be born less than 30 years later, the masses of homophobia suggests she grew up either a decent length of time ago or somewhere podunk, maybe both, and she'd be going to college during the height of the AIDS crisis which may be, apart from her general characterization as human saccharine, reason why she wants to help treat the African babies, who are often born with HIV/AIDS.) But, really, she doesn't look it at all, and Jessica Capshaw isn't old, either.
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*** As someone that has worked in the Er and the OR I can attest that this is actually what is said. You tend to talk the same way you take notes. Saying GSW takes the same amount of time.

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*** As someone that has worked in the Er ER and the OR I can attest that this is actually what is said. You tend to talk the same way you take notes. Saying GSW takes the same amount of time.
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**** As someone that has worked in the Er and the OR I can attest that this is actually what is said. You tend to talk the same way you take notes. Saying GSW takes the same amount of time.
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Here is something that bothered me regarding the aftermath of the plane crash. Jackson and Lexie were in a relationship and really liked each other for a little while. Even though the plane crash occurred after they broke up, why doesn't he react to or say something about her death? Anytime he is in a scene where Lexie's death is explicitly mentioned, there is just a look on his face that shows he understands what happened but he doesn't make any comment. I find it odd and kind of annoying that his ex-girlfriend, who he once really liked and was on good terms with even after the break-up, died and there is not even one single moment of Jackson saying anything about it. Back in season 6, Lexie said something about George's death. It wasn't a whole lot, but it was still an acknowledgement of somebody she cared about dying.
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*** The difference the OP is referencing is the syllable number. ASAP is four syllables, "as soon as possible" is six syllables, ergo ASAP is shorter. On the other hand, GSW is five syllables to "gunshot wound"'s three, so hypothetically it should take longer to say GSW, but GSW is less of a consonant cluster which means you can say the five sounds more rapidly in succession.

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*** That would be Dr. Teddy Altman. Teddy leaves at the end of season 8 and is replaced by Maggie

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*** That would be Dr. Teddy Altman. Teddy leaves at the end of season 8 and is replaced by Maggiesomeone else, though Cristina's doing a lot of the work.



** My sister had to leave home three times in one year to care for dying family members. First for two months to nurse our mom into her grave, then our aunt for another two months and then after our aunt died, she was sent to care for our grandmother with dementia after our grandfather died. When she was finally home, her husband left her.



** Chandra Wilson, who plays Dr. Bailey, her daughter has Cyclic Vomiting Syndrome, which is rare and not heard of in adults. I battle the illness as well and loved seeing an episode dedicated to that. Honestly, how is that a complainant?



** The show is a about surgeons and that is why we don't see what other doctors do all day. Try Private Practice maybe? Also, when Bailey is made Chief of Surgery and her husband is suspended, he gets a job there outside of surgery, stating he can do it because she is only chief of surgery. We only see surgery in the show, because that is what it's about.
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** When do interns have time to sit down and watch an entire news story? Why watch more than clips when you work at the same place??
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** Do you say ASAP or as soon as possible. It definitely does not take longer to say GSW, but it only saves a second, which if you would ask them, that second matters
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** The show is a about surgeons and that is why we don't see what other doctors do all day. Try Private Practice maybe? Also, when Bailey is made Chief of Surgery and her husband is suspended, he gets a job there outside of surgery, stating he can do it because she is only chief of surgery. We only see surgery in the show, because that is what it's about.
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** Chandra Wilson, who plays Dr. Bailey, her daughter has Cyclic Vomiting Syndrome, which is rare and not heard of in adults. I battle the illness as well and loved seeing an episode dedicated to that. Honestly, how is that a complainant?
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** My sister had to leave home three times in one year to care for dying family members. First for two months to nurse our mom into her grave, then our aunt for another two months and then after our aunt died, she was sent to care for our grandmother with dementia after our grandfather died. When she was finally home, her husband left her.
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*** That would be Dr. Teddy Altman. Teddy leaves at the end of season 8 and is replaced by someone else, though Cristina's doing a lot of the work.

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*** That would be Dr. Teddy Altman. Teddy leaves at the end of season 8 and is replaced by someone else, though Cristina's doing a lot of the work.Maggie
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* The fact that every single episode needs to have a one-in-a-million case, cutting-edge procedure or major catastrophe (or preferably any combination of the three). ''{{ER}}'', ''Series/{{Scrubs}}'' and even ''Series/{{House}}'' do a wonderful job of having interesting, moving episodes without having super-duper-special things happening every week. It's as if the writers know that their characters aren't interesting enough and their writing isn't good enough to produce compelling episodes without something really outrageous happening.

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* The fact that every single episode needs to have a one-in-a-million case, cutting-edge procedure or major catastrophe (or preferably any combination of the three). ''{{ER}}'', ''Series/{{ER}}'', ''Series/{{Scrubs}}'' and even ''Series/{{House}}'' do a wonderful job of having interesting, moving episodes without having super-duper-special things happening every week. It's as if the writers know that their characters aren't interesting enough and their writing isn't good enough to produce compelling episodes without something really outrageous happening.
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** They do talk about an ortho attending in sixth season when Callie is pushing for an attending job. She mentions the guy is a "dinosaur" and that when people wanted the best, they came to ''her''. It's probably a little like what Cristina had with that cardio guy, the department is his, but he tells her that as long as she doesn't kill any patients, she can do what she pleases with the cases.
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* Now I really like the tension in the scene where Meredith begs Mr. Clark not to kill Derek and kill her instead while Cristina and Jackson are operating on him, and I do understand Derek had enough PlotArmor at that point to not die right there, so I'm fine with how the scene was made, but still: is there any ''logical'' reason why Clark didn't just, well, [[WhyDontYouJustShootHim shoot Derek right there on the table]], instead of pointing the gun to Cristina's head and telling her to stop? The only rationalization I could make is that he was saving his last bullet for Webber, but he still shoots Owen in the same scene, he still had a bullet to spare. It could be a irony thing, of Derek, being a surgeon, dying there during an operation just like his wife died after a surgery but... it still feels like a contrived way of thinking, since the way she didn't even die on the operating table.

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* Now I really like the tension in the scene where Meredith begs Mr. Clark not to kill Derek and kill her instead while Cristina and Jackson are operating on him, and I do understand Derek had enough PlotArmor at that point to not die right there, so I'm fine with how the scene was made, but still: is there any ''logical'' reason why Clark didn't just, well, [[WhyDontYouJustShootHim shoot Derek right there on the table]], instead of pointing the gun to Cristina's head and telling her to stop? The only rationalization I could make is that he was saving his last bullet for Webber, but he still shoots Owen in the same scene, he still had a bullet to spare. It could be a irony thing, of Derek, being a surgeon, dying there during an operation just like his wife died after a surgery but... it still feels like a contrived way of thinking, since the way she Mrs. Clark didn't even die on the operating table.
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** You're completely right. Only thing I can think of is that Mr. Clark has a severe NeverMyFault thing going on, as well as finding it impossible to put the blame on his wife for having chosen to sign a DNR. He never wanted to understand it; maybe his wife never told him she signed it and all he saw was some doctors going over him in order to "kill" her.


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* Now I really like the tension in the scene where Meredith begs Mr. Clark not to kill Derek and kill her instead while Cristina and Jackson are operating on him, and I do understand Derek had enough PlotArmor at that point to not die right there, so I'm fine with how the scene was made, but still: is there any ''logical'' reason why Clark didn't just, well, [[WhyDontYouJustShootHim shoot Derek right there on the table]], instead of pointing the gun to Cristina's head and telling her to stop? The only rationalization I could make is that he was saving his last bullet for Webber, but he still shoots Owen in the same scene, he still had a bullet to spare. It could be a irony thing, of Derek, being a surgeon, dying there during an operation just like his wife died after a surgery but... it still feels like a contrived way of thinking, since the way she didn't even die on the operating table.

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