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* Does Rachel really even love her two dads? We see what, one picture of them in one of the first episodes, and then she only ever brings them up to threated suit. Combined with the way she treats Kurt (although not entirely undeserved, I'd hate him too), and her character could easily be interpreted as homophobic.
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******** But I'm gay and I have nothing against it. Besides, by that logic, "dumb" is also foul as it is a term for being unable to speak, "lame" is as well due to it meaning a hinderance to the ability to walk, or just an inability to walk. "Stupid" also offends on that basis, because it applies to anyone with lower intelligence. Either go completely PC, or realize words take on more than a single meaning as time progresses. Don't forget, as well, that in the gay community, we use the term "queer" (or at least several of us), which originally meant weird or strange.
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******* I think you need to go back and listen to Burt's speech to Finn. He explains why that word is so offensive much more eloquently than I can.
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* Alright, It seems as though one of the biggest issues here isn't that Kurt can be a manipulative bastard (which, out of all the characters, he is far from the worst) but that he never gets called for his shit. My question is, Who's going to call him on it? The only characters that really notice how he acts towards Finn, and care, are Rachel and Finn himself. Both of them do, at one point, call him out for his creepy behavior. Unfortunately Rachel doesn't have nearly enough moral high ground for her to be very effective at chastising him. Finn appears to have two modes "Nice to the point of being spineless" and "Raging to the point of being scary" neither of these modes are very good at communicating the message to layoff.
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* Alright, It seems as though one of the biggest issues here isn't that Kurt can be a manipulative bastard (which, out of all the characters, he is far from the worst) but that he never gets called for his shit. My question is, Who's going to call him on it? The only characters that really notice how he acts towards Finn, and care, are Rachel and Finn himself. Both of them do, at one point, call him out for his creepy behavior. Unfortunately Rachel doesn't have nearly enough moral high ground for her to be very effective at chastising him. Finn appears to have two modes "Nice to the point of being spineless" and "Raging to the point of being scary" neither of these modes are very good at communicating the message to layoff.layoff.
* This gay troper hates the fact that Kurt is so...gay. Most of my gay friends are repulsed by Gaga and Beyonce, have no sense of fashion, and don't act like total prisses. Why can't Kurt be more than just gayer than gay? Why couldn't they make a gay character who is part of the bear community? If they really want to tear apart stereotypes, that would be perfect. For the first part of my high school life, I felt out of place because I was a hairy, masculine guy who was gay. What better dramatic plot point? Then it becomes more about personal identity instead of stereotypes.
* This gay troper hates the fact that Kurt is so...gay. Most of my gay friends are repulsed by Gaga and Beyonce, have no sense of fashion, and don't act like total prisses. Why can't Kurt be more than just gayer than gay? Why couldn't they make a gay character who is part of the bear community? If they really want to tear apart stereotypes, that would be perfect. For the first part of my high school life, I felt out of place because I was a hairy, masculine guy who was gay. What better dramatic plot point? Then it becomes more about personal identity instead of stereotypes.
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****** I keep on seeing people saying "Faggy" is a bad word. This troper doesn't see how it's so horrible. Sure, using it as a substitute for "All things gay" isn't good, but who cares? Y'all are too caught up in the Politically Correct
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* Two things:
** One, Theatricality was not just about Lady Gaga, since Finn complained on-screen to Schuester that none of the guys (save Kurt) wanted to do Gaga, they did KISS instead.
** Second, the Madonna episode also served the plot; it introduced the virginity plot and put Kurt and Mercedes in the Cheerios (which got a ResetButton for Mercedes at the end of the next episode, but Kurt went on to win Nationals), we'll have to trust the writers with the Spears episode and the other tribute.
** One, Theatricality was not just about Lady Gaga, since Finn complained on-screen to Schuester that none of the guys (save Kurt) wanted to do Gaga, they did KISS instead.
** Second, the Madonna episode also served the plot; it introduced the virginity plot and put Kurt and Mercedes in the Cheerios (which got a ResetButton for Mercedes at the end of the next episode, but Kurt went on to win Nationals), we'll have to trust the writers with the Spears episode and the other tribute.
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** Idina Menzel has a dog named Sammy Davis Jr. Jr. :3 For that reason I found it ironic...
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*** But isn't that just the case with almost EVERY song involving Rachel as a soloist anyway?
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*** [[{{Fridge Brilliance}} OH. MY.]] [[{{Made of Win}} GOD.]]
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* [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4Xd435coD4 Wait until Charice becomes part of the cast.]] It's gonna get worse.
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**[[BuffyTheVampireSlayer You]] [[{{Angel}} can't]] [[{{Firefly}} be]] [[DoctorHorriblesSingAlongBlog serious]].
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***YMMV here, too. In the first episode, he wipes spit all over an ''extreme'' germophobic's door handle because she politely turned him down when he asked her on a date and told him there was someone else. This was after he'd refused to take the hint when she'd always made up excuses not to go on a date with him before, mind. You'd think he would've stopped after that, but he asks her out again the next episode, and his "Why You Should Date Me," speech includes veiled insults at her OCD ("I'll put up with your crazy,") while also implying that other people wouldn't be willing to date her because of her OCD ("...You're not going to do much better.") Attacking someone's already low self-esteem so they will agree to a date is not a NiceGuy thing to do. He later tries to sabotage Glee Club because he's jealous of Will, suggests to Terri that they have an affair, and basically proposes to Emma not because he loves her, but as a method of manipulating her into staying with him, since he knows she actually loves Will and not him. Not trying to let Emma off the hook here - she never should have agreed to go out with Ken if she wasn't into him, and she should have ended things instead of staying with him, and she certainly shouldn't have agreed to marry him. But Ken also helped manipulate into all these things despite knowing about her lack of feelings for him, so as far as him getting stepped on is concerned, he just made his bed and then had to lie in it.
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** Kurt wasn't throwing it for himself though, he was throwing it to protect his Dad. While he was strong enough to deal with being called a fag (he even says something to the extent of "so what? that happens all the time") his father wasn't so Kurt chose to put his Dad's needs in front of his wants. My interpretation was more "for pennies a day, for the price of a single phone call, you too can bully a straight father"
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** Kurt wasn't throwing it for himself though, he was throwing it to protect his Dad. While he was strong enough to deal with being called a fag (he even says something to the extent of "so what? that happens all the time") his father wasn't so Kurt chose to put his Dad's needs in front of his wants. My interpretation was more "for pennies a day, for the price of a single phone call, you too can bully a straight father" father"
** In addition to the above, the song is also partly about giving up your dreams in the cold light of reality, and forging new, more realistic ones from the ashes. In this respect, Kurt giving up his own dream (of singing the song in front of a large audience) to spare his father the pain that would come with it is very much in keeping with the theme. This can be seen in part of the omitted preamble to the song, which involves the lines:
-->'''Glinda''': "You can have all you ever wanted..."
-->'''Elphaba''': "I know. But I don't want it... no. I ''can't'' want it. Any more..."
** In addition to the above, the song is also partly about giving up your dreams in the cold light of reality, and forging new, more realistic ones from the ashes. In this respect, Kurt giving up his own dream (of singing the song in front of a large audience) to spare his father the pain that would come with it is very much in keeping with the theme. This can be seen in part of the omitted preamble to the song, which involves the lines:
-->'''Glinda''': "You can have all you ever wanted..."
-->'''Elphaba''': "I know. But I don't want it... no. I ''can't'' want it. Any more..."
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Madonna. Lady Gaga. Britteny Spears. Theme episodes are everywhere...and yet they aren't doing a theme episode of the most obvious collection of over the top musical numbers? I ''know'' I'm not the only one who thinks this would be a good idea. My life will NOT be complete until Will sings Make a Man Out of You!
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Madonna. Lady Gaga. Britteny Spears. Theme episodes are everywhere...and yet they aren't doing a theme episode of the most obvious collection of over the top musical numbers? I ''know'' I'm not the only one who thinks this would be a good idea. My life will NOT be complete until Will sings Make [[{{Mulan}} "Make a Man Out of You!You"]]!
** Are we forgetting the Disneyworld episode of ''{{Roseanne}}''?! Where Darlene's baby was conceived? Disney doesn't shy away from this stuff.
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** Network rivalry becomes moot when Tivo and Hulu let you watch whatever you want whenever. The sheer ''money'' Disney could make off royalties from [=iTunes=] and a CD release should make this a possibility. Sue singing "[[LionKing Be Prepared]]"? Santana singing "[[TheLittleMermaid Poor Unfortunate Souls]]"? Kurt and his future boyfriend singing "[[{{Aladdin}} Whole New World?]]" Yes please!
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** Actually, Figgins said 'too' as in 'also'. He was making reference to the fact that it was an impossible task as they will fail, and Will was being a glutton for punishment. If he's willing to put his neck on the line for the kids, why doesn't he also captain the Titanc. Using the numeral '2' there doesn't make a jot of sense.
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** A lot of Glee's fans are high school kids. Abstinence-only sex ed only just recently lost its federal funding, and the stuff they're hearing outside of school is probably worse. SoYeah, most of them don't know nearly as much about reproductive health as they probably should.
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** A lot of Glee's fans are high school kids. Abstinence-only sex ed only just recently lost its federal funding, and the stuff they're hearing outside of school is probably worse. SoYeah, So most of them don't know nearly as much about reproductive health as they probably should.
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*Also, Dollhouse maybe isnt that great, much like most of Whedons stuff, which is why it doesnt get ratings.
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** Sort of the motif behind the Grey and Grey Morality of the show, is it not?
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***YMMV. While not as divisive as some of the more major players, some fans find Tina extremely grating for one reason or another.
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*** Said by the white straight able-bodied jcok to his minority friends(Jewish, Asian and Black) and people who get discrimitated for other stuff(Wheelchair user, gay) this comes out as a VERY stupid thing to say. Not to mention the girls have been pretty bitchy all long too(Quinn cheated on Finn, Rachel has been trying to seduce him, both used Puck as a Finn substitute, Mercedes broke Kurt's windshield for not having her way, and Tina... faked her stutter.
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* ItGetsWorse. ''Funk'' gives us "motherfucker". That actually sounds ''worse'' (as in, more inappropriate) than the original line, ''even though'' the original was an F-bomb.
**The phrase "motherfucker" is not on the FCC's blacklist and "motherfucker" is. You can use the word "penis" on TV but not all it's synonyms.[[FlatWhat What]].
** What happened here? Did someone change "Mothersucker" to "Motherfucker" or did you both just type "Motherfucker" by accident?
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* ItGetsWorse. ''Funk'' gives us "motherfucker"."mothersucker". That actually sounds ''worse'' (as in, more inappropriate) than the original line, ''even though'' the original was an F-bomb.
**The phrase"motherfucker" "mothersucker" is not on the FCC's blacklist and "motherfucker" is. You can use the word "penis" on TV but not all it's synonyms.[[FlatWhat What]].
** What happened here? Did someone change "Mothersucker" to "Motherfucker" or did you both just type "Motherfucker" by accident?
**The phrase
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* Ryan Murphy just recently said Brittany and Santana will kiss on-screen in an upcoming episode (and possibly do "more" - though I personally doubt that'll happen), too; so presumably their relationship is going to be focused on more.
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* I don't think this was directly answered at the end of "Dream On," but did the club get to keep all that stuff Bryan offered then snatched away in a moment of fickle spite before Will gave up the lead role in ''LesMiserables'' for him?
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* ItGetsWorse. ''Funk'' gives us "mothersucker"."motherfucker". That actually sounds ''worse'' (as in, more inappropriate) than the original line, ''even though'' the original was an F-bomb.
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** Murphy's had the rights the entire Billy Joel catalog since episode one first aired, so that would make the most sense. YMMV on whether or not that makes up for a BritneySpears episode.
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** The problem is more that Disney owns ABC, which is a rival network to Fox.
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* I highly doubt Disney would give the rights to their child-friendly songs to a show as raunchy as ''{{Glee}}''.
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* Brittany and Santana were originally intended to be background characters who sit around and do funny things sometimes. It was only after Brittany became an EnsembleDarkhorse that her relationship with Santana began to be developed, and they've been gradually receiving more screentime as the show goes on. Also, they both seem to be comfortable in their sexuality so there isn't as much potential for drama there like with Kurt, who has incidentally been a main character from the very beginning. Not seeing a problem here.
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* Much as I love the idea to bits, doing so would in actual fact be involving a lot more people than a single mainstream singer, yes? Because there are so many movies, and several different sets of singers and songwriters and everything. So I'm not an expert on copyright law, but it might happen.
!! Male homosexuality = long, in-depth and wonderful plotline. Female homo/bisexuality & polyamorous relationship = couple cuddly shots and throwaway lines. Discuss.
Twitch. Twitch. Twitch. Twitch. Twitch. On the other hand, we're supposed to see more of Brittany's character in Season 2, so perhaps salvation will arrive.
!! Male homosexuality = long, in-depth and wonderful plotline. Female homo/bisexuality & polyamorous relationship = couple cuddly shots and throwaway lines. Discuss.
Twitch. Twitch. Twitch. Twitch. Twitch. On the other hand, we're supposed to see more of Brittany's character in Season 2, so perhaps salvation will arrive.
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!! Where's the Disney episode?
Madonna. Lady Gaga. Britteny Spears. Theme episodes are everywhere...and yet they aren't doing a theme episode of the most obvious collection of over the top musical numbers? I ''know'' I'm not the only one who thinks this would be a good idea. My life will NOT be complete until Will sings Make a Man Out of You!
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* Ryan Murphy said there's going to be another tribute episode (the one airing after the Super Bowl); that one might pay tribute to a male band/artist.
