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* Has it ever been explained why the Jägerkin are immune to being infected by slaver wasps? It can't have been an intentional design feature since the Jägers predate the Other - or, at least, the Other's incarnation as Lucrezia Mongfish - by a few centuries.
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** It has been [[https://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20210906 explicitly mentioned]] that Aaronev Sturmvoraus singlehandedly killed hundreds of female sparks by running them through the Summoning Engine in an effort to find Agatha or another viable host for Lucrezia's mind.
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*** And, as mentioned above, she'd spent so long in clank-bodies that she'd almost forgotten that the second breakthrough was an option once she was back in a fully organic body. She didn't remember until a line from Zeetha prompted her.
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* A minor quibble, but how did one cup of coffee in Mechanicsburg accomplish CaffeineBulletTime when massive loads of stimulants administered in Sturmhalten (presumably, one of the Moveit formulations) didn't?

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* A minor quibble, but how did one cup of coffee in Mechanicsburg accomplish CaffeineBulletTime BulletTime when massive loads of stimulants administered in Sturmhalten (presumably, one of the Moveit formulations) didn't?
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** That's because all we ''know'' about them is that they're humans who've been given the Jaegerdraught, they have a built in fanatical loyalty to the Heterodynes (probably something in the draught), they have pointy teeth, and a unique culture/religion involving each having a personal NiceHat. The draught/potion is made from the waters of the Dyne river, amongst other things. And that's all we know.

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** That's because all we ''know'' about them is that they're humans who've been given the Jaegerdraught, they have a built in fanatical loyalty to the Heterodynes (probably something in the draught), they have pointy teeth, and a unique culture/religion involving each having a personal NiceHat.nice hat. The draught/potion is made from the waters of the Dyne river, amongst other things. And that's all we know.
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** Othar strike me as a {{Deconstruction}} of the usual heroes of ScienceIsBad stories, particularly ''Franchise/DocSavage''; being a HunterOfHisOwnKind who quite understandably comes off as AxCrazy and WrongGenreSavvy to the main characters. If he was taken seriously at all, he'd be quite a chilling villain, but instead he's a LargeHam to make him more funny than dangerous.

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** Othar strike me as a {{Deconstruction}} of the usual heroes of ScienceIsBad stories, particularly ''Franchise/DocSavage''; ''Literature/DocSavage''; being a HunterOfHisOwnKind who quite understandably comes off as AxCrazy and WrongGenreSavvy to the main characters. If he was taken seriously at all, he'd be quite a chilling villain, but instead he's a LargeHam to make him more funny than dangerous.
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* Why is Gil (or anyone) even considering the possibility that he was infected while in Paris? Gil was onboard Castle Wulfenbach for at least several months after Klaus realized that there were other types of revenants and started testing for them? He went to the trouble of testing DuPree but never thought that Gil was worth testing? Which is more plausible; the idea that Klaus ''is'' infected and gave Gil a false positive or the idea that Klaus never once bothered to test the second most important person in the entire empire? Additionally, Gil is highly trained and has a good deal of experience with chemistry and human anatomy and he doesn't believe that there was anything in Tarvek's formula that would kill a human. Isn't it more likely that Klaus, realizing that DuPree was given the antidote to the wasps, poisoned her himself?
** I'm not sure about people with an outside perspective, but ''Gil'' grew up seeing Klaus be Always Right, and his only source for Klaus being wasped is Tarvek, who he still mistrusts. He's also ''just now'' hearing this, and is in a state of some distress. I'm sure he'll see the holes in the story once he has a chance to ''think''. (As for Dupree, the "poison" might just be more side effects from that dose.)

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* Why is Gil (or anyone) even considering the possibility that he was infected while in Paris? Gil was onboard Castle Wulfenbach for at least several months after Klaus realized that there were other types of revenants and started testing for them? He went to the trouble of testing DuPree [=DuPree=] but never thought that Gil was worth testing? Which is more plausible; the idea that Klaus ''is'' infected and gave Gil a false positive or the idea that Klaus never once bothered to test the second most important person in the entire empire? Additionally, Gil is highly trained and has a good deal of experience with chemistry and human anatomy and he doesn't believe that there was anything in Tarvek's formula that would kill a human. Isn't it more likely that Klaus, realizing that DuPree [=DuPree=] was given the antidote to the wasps, poisoned her himself?
** I'm not sure about people with an outside perspective, but ''Gil'' grew up seeing Klaus be Always Right, and his only source for Klaus being wasped is Tarvek, who he still mistrusts. He's also ''just now'' hearing this, and is in a state of some distress. I'm sure he'll see the holes in the story once he has a chance to ''think''. (As for Dupree, [=DuPree=], the "poison" might just be more side effects from that dose.)
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* So this is kinda bugging me. Why did Agatha the Corbettite monk, Brother Ulm, about her past? I would understand why she wouldn't lie in during confession if she was religious, but we have no indication before that moment that that is the case. Last time she was in a religious sanctuary, the Mechanicsburg Cathedral, she seemed rather annoyed by all the ceremonial stuff, so why does she suddenly care when she gets on the train? Maybe she was just tired at the Cathedral and annoyed and she just wanted to vent her frustrations on the train, but there has to be more to it than that right? She had no real reason at the time to tell them about being the Heterodyne because she just needed to be brought to Paris, so why invite risk by telling a Brother who she was even if he was obligated to not share that information? Surely Wooster would know that people could be rejected by the monks and told Agatha about that.

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* So this is kinda bugging me. Why did Agatha tell the Corbettite monk, Brother Ulm, about her past? I would understand why she wouldn't lie in during confession if she was religious, but we have no indication before that moment that that is the case. Last time she was in a religious sanctuary, the Mechanicsburg Cathedral, she seemed rather annoyed by all the ceremonial stuff, so why does she suddenly care when she gets on the train? Maybe she was just tired at the Cathedral and annoyed and she just wanted to vent her frustrations on the train, but there has to be more to it than that right? She had no real reason at the time to tell them about being the Heterodyne because she just needed to be brought to Paris, so why invite risk by telling a Brother who she was even if he was obligated to not share that information? Surely Wooster would know that people could be rejected by the monks and told Agatha about that.
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** Also, remember that in this universe, science is inextricably mixed with science, MUCH more than it is in real life. Everything from biology to chemistry in the Girl Genius universe is completely tied with engineering. You don't look a body and find out what's wrong, you build a machine to look at the body and find out what's wrong. You don't perform surgery, you build a machine to perform surgery. The universe there is totally different than ours, and engineering is indistinguishable from science there.

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** Also, remember that in this universe, science is inextricably mixed with science, MUCH more than it is in real life. Everything from biology to chemistry in the Girl Genius universe is completely tied with engineering. You don't look at a body and find out what's wrong, you build a machine to look at the body and find out what's wrong. You don't perform surgery, you build a machine to perform surgery. The universe there is totally different than ours, and engineering is indistinguishable from science there.
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*** He makes a lot of temporary and outright false promises of loyalty to people and is willing to betray or manipulate people to keep himself and the ones he really cares about safe, but he's shown doing this less and less to Gil and never at all to Violetta or Agatha (except possibly for altering her massage at Sturmhalten). As such, he seems to hold a small group of people as his true companions and is willing to literally die for them (at least Agatha, see his comments to Gil prior to the Si Val Valeos treatment), but considers everyone else worth lying to and exploiting if necessary.

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*** He makes a lot of temporary and outright false promises of loyalty to people and is willing to betray or manipulate people to keep himself and the ones he really cares about safe, but he's shown doing this less and less to Gil and never at all to Violetta or Agatha (except possibly for altering her massage message at Sturmhalten). As such, he seems to hold a small group of people as his true companions and is willing to literally die for them (at least Agatha, see his comments to Gil prior to the Si Val Valeos treatment), but considers everyone else worth lying to and exploiting if necessary.
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** She must actively use Sparky Voice, which doubles as the Command Voice (other Sparks have it too, but without wasps itself it isn't very effective, working only on feeble minds). She yelled "Jump!" in her ordinary voice. Also back in Sturmhalten Anevka mentions that revenants "imprint" on the first voice bearing certain command harmonics (encoded by Other), and there are enough differences to make them resistant to other Other's Voice users.

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** It's implied she's now [[spoiler:The Shrike, as a combination of Zulenna's brain and Olga's body]].


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** It's implied the body was used to [[spoiler:implant salvaged Zulenna's brain, who would later become The Shrike, met by Othar.]]
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** Lucrezia says that for an immortal Albia has very little true patience and simply dropped a ball on the mirrors after thousands of years of fruitless attempts. As to Brunel - he had a better plan: [[spoiler:to collaborate with Lucrezia, who knows exactly how to activate and tune them]].
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** The nature of dynewater isn't explained (yet), but from the look of the thing there's some sort of material component to it, so it may be possible to make a passive filter of some sort. Which is by now severely overclogged, but still working.
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*** Yes, the novel mentions that whole this thing led to an outright civil war inside the town. Not that far-fetched to assume the Bell was rung in the middle of a fight.

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* So, it seems all you need to do to avoid being turned into a Revenant is wear a mask (as exhibited by the Vespiary squads.) So why doesn't everyone? Or at LEAST people like Wulfenbach's troops or anyone who is expecting to go into battle against The Other. I could see peasants not wearing them because they figure the odds of them encountering are low (and real life has shown that people exhibit a STARTLING lack of willingness to protect themselves from infection), especially by the time of the comic where the Other has been vanished for something close to 20 years. But still, I'd think a war like the Other War would instill a fear of those wasps in everyone for at least a generation. Even worse,, the Baron's men attack a hive engine on his castle and NONE of them are wearing protection. Not a single one. Why?

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* So, it seems all you need to do to avoid being turned into a Revenant is wear a mask (as exhibited by the Vespiary squads.) squads). So why doesn't everyone? Or at LEAST people like Wulfenbach's troops or anyone who is expecting to go into battle against The Other. I could see peasants not wearing them because they figure the odds of them encountering are low (and real life has shown that people exhibit a STARTLING lack of willingness to protect themselves from infection), especially by the time of the comic where the Other has been vanished for something close to 20 years. But still, I'd think a war like the Other War would instill a fear of those wasps in everyone for at least a generation. Even worse,, worse, the Baron's men attack a hive engine on his castle and NONE of them are wearing protection. Not a single one. Why?Why?
** It's never stated that their masks are really that good a defense, it's more like a general protection (warriors can also just hack and slash your face) with a dash of special unit sign. Lack of revenants in Vespiary squad is also explained by them being surrounded by weasels at all times - when they don't eat the wasps they can at least detect already infected members immediately, with a swift disposal by their comrades afterwards.
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* So, it seems all you need to do to avoid being turned into a Revanent is wear a mask (as exhibited by the Vespiary squads.) So why doesn't everyone? Or at LEAST people like Wulfenbach's troops or anyone who is expecting to go into battle against The Other. I could see peasants not wearing them because they figure the odds of them encountering are low (and real life has shown that people exhibit a STARTLING lack of willingness to protect themselves from infection), especially by the time of the comic where the Other has been vanished for something close to 20 years. But still, I'd think a war like the Other War would instill a fear of those wasps in everyone for at least a generation. Even worse,, the Baron's men attack a hive engine on his castle and NONE of them are wearing protection. Not a single one. Why?

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* So, it seems all you need to do to avoid being turned into a Revanent Revenant is wear a mask (as exhibited by the Vespiary squads.) So why doesn't everyone? Or at LEAST people like Wulfenbach's troops or anyone who is expecting to go into battle against The Other. I could see peasants not wearing them because they figure the odds of them encountering are low (and real life has shown that people exhibit a STARTLING lack of willingness to protect themselves from infection), especially by the time of the comic where the Other has been vanished for something close to 20 years. But still, I'd think a war like the Other War would instill a fear of those wasps in everyone for at least a generation. Even worse,, the Baron's men attack a hive engine on his castle and NONE of them are wearing protection. Not a single one. Why?
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So, it seems all you need to do to avoid being turned into a Revanent is wear a mask (as exhibited by the Vespiary squads. So why doesn't everyone? Or at LEAST people like Wulfenbach's troops or anyone who is expecting to go into battle against The Other. I could see peasants not wearing them because they figure the odds of them encountering are low (and real life has shown that people exhibit a STARTLING lack of willingness to protect themselves from infection), especially by the time of the comic where the Other has been vanished for something close to 20 years. But the Baron's men attack a hive engine on his castle and NONE of them are wearing protection. Not a single one. Why?

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So, *So, it seems all you need to do to avoid being turned into a Revanent is wear a mask (as exhibited by the Vespiary squads. squads.) So why doesn't everyone? Or at LEAST people like Wulfenbach's troops or anyone who is expecting to go into battle against The Other. I could see peasants not wearing them because they figure the odds of them encountering are low (and real life has shown that people exhibit a STARTLING lack of willingness to protect themselves from infection), especially by the time of the comic where the Other has been vanished for something close to 20 years. But still, I'd think a war like the Other War would instill a fear of those wasps in everyone for at least a generation. Even worse,, the Baron's men attack a hive engine on his castle and NONE of them are wearing protection. Not a single one. Why?
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So, it seems all you need to do to avoid being turned into a Revanent is wear a mask (as exhibited by the Vespiary squads. So why doesn't everyone? Or at LEAST people like Wulfenbach's troops or anyone who is expecting to go into battle against The Other. I could see peasants not wearing them because they figure the odds of them encountering are low (and real life has shown that people exhibit a STARTLING lack of willingness to protect themselves from infection), especially by the time of the comic where the Other has been vanished for something close to 20 years. But the Baron's men attack a hive engine on his castle and NONE of them are wearing protection. Not a single one. Why?

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** I don't recall any indication that the shambling Revenants existed in large numbers. Passholdt gets completely turned, but that was stated to be a town run by someone actively experimenting with new wasps, so that may have just been a new wasp that went horribly wrong. Assuming those things WERE Revenants (which I'm not sure is ever stated clearly). IIRC they never refer to the Other's forces as being completely made up of Revenants. In fact, on Othar's Twitter, the battlefield outside Paris seems to indicate most of her actual army is comprised of warrior wasps, not people. So, during the Other War, they were probably fighting a mixture of shamblers, wasps, people who "joined up" with The Other (the stealth revenants), Sparks who ACTUALLY joined up with her, and an assortment of monsters and clanks created by both The Other and her allies.
** The better question is how would it NOT remain a secret? Who would breach the secret? The Revenants? No. As we've seen from Klaus, they seem incapable of telling anyone they've been wasped (they might not even be aware of it themselves). Survivors? They were probably few, if not outright nonexistent. Hunting down people who somehow survived a Wasping unscathed would have been priority 1. Onlookers or investigators? If the story Gil's agents tell him post-time skip about a town being wasped is normal, then these things were done very covertly and nobody would even know to LOOK for anything suspicious. It's not as if these people are prostrating themselves in the streets and building statues to Lucrezia. They're behaving completely normally until told otherwise. With the existence of shamblers around, why would anyone jump to the conclusion that there must be wasp victims who aren't shamblers? Especially when it's been shown there are people who served the Other willingly. Which is more likely? That the wasps are few in number or not very effective and only turn some people into shamblers? Or that there are secretly hundreds of times more wasps than we know but they're all just secret sleeper agents? The last one sounds like a conspiracy theory.
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** Even when the characters perform "science" it's not really very scientific. Their idea of science is "what would happen if I mixed these two chemicals together? Let's find out". There's no theory to test, no reason or application for the experiment, no reason to even think the experiment will yield any useful information at all. And CERTAINLY no overarching theme to their experiments. Each one is self contained and has no evident context or purpose, no follow up, and no precursor. They could just as easily design an experiment with a dart board or a game of Mad Libs. Hell, half the time they don't even seem to CARE about the results, much less write them down (which leads me to wonder what all these much-vaunted, McGuffin-tastic "notes" could contain). GG is, by no means, unique in this regard, and I understand that the constraints of the medium and of storytelling limit how much real "science" they can do, even if they weren't mad. It's also possible that the Foglios don't really know much about real life science to be ABLE to write it into their work. Still, I agree with OP, it can get to you.
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*** He makes a lot of temporary and outright false promises of loyalty to people and is willing to betray or manipulate people to keep himself and the ones he really cares about safe, but he's shown doing this less and less to Gil and never at all to Violetta or Agatha (except possibly for altering her massage at Sturmhalten). As such, he seems to hold a small group of people as his true companions and is willing to literally die for them (at least Agatha, see his comments to Gil prior to the Si Val Valeos treatment), but considers everyone else worth lying to and exploiting if necessary.

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** Even from the start Tarvek's MORALITY is clearly established. He's a light shade of gray. He doesn't like to hurt people for no reason (like "Madame Olga"), he tries to do right by people he feels he needs to exploit (like paying for Tinka), and he even goes out of his way and puts himself in danger later on to save someone he has no need to save (Jorgi). He's willing to be underhanded when necessary and will get violent when angry or threatened, but genuinely doesn't seem like he does that except as a last resort.
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** Even from the start Tarvek's MORALITY is clearly established. He's a light shade of gray. He doesn't like to hurt people for no reason (like "Madame Olga"), he tries to do right by people he feels he needs to exploit (like paying for Tinka), and he even goes out of his way and puts himself in danger later on to save someone he has no need to save (Jorgi). He's willing to be underhanded when necessary and will get violent when angry or threatened, but genuinely doesn't seem like he does that except as a last resort.
resort. His allegiances and goals, however seem to change as the story progresses.
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