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*** Sure but they're still on opposite sides and at the beginning of "The Spy Who Loved Me", it was the KGB who were trying to kill him in the opening scene.
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*** Sure Yes they did because the BigBad of the film was a threat to both their countries, but they're still on opposite sides and at the beginning of "The Spy Who Loved Me", it was the KGB who were trying to kill him in the opening scene.scene. While Gogol likes Bond and doesn't want him killed, he can't exactly micromanage his own people who are in the field.
*** Then again, Kreiger wasn't trying to kill Bond but further sell him on the idea that ''Columbo'' wants him dead. Bond probably didn't know Kreiger was a KGB agent at the time.
*** Then again, Kreiger wasn't trying to kill Bond but further sell him on the idea that ''Columbo'' wants him dead. Bond probably didn't know Kreiger was a KGB agent at the time.
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*** But not that he was ''James Bond'', just a 00-agent. In fairness, Bond was unarmed, outnumbered, surrounded by armed men and on Gonzales' property. So he was pretty sure he had control of the situation up until he took his final belly flop.
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*** But No, they were definitely ''not'' going to escort him off the property. It's all in the dialog.
-->'''Gonzales''': A Walther PPK. Standard issue British Secret Service. License to kill (he looks to Locke, who gives Gonzales a nod of approval), or be '''killed'''. Take him away.
*** It was not that he was ''James Bond'', just that he was a00-agent.government agent. In fairness, Bond was unarmed, outnumbered, surrounded by armed men and on Gonzales' property. So he was pretty sure he had control of the situation up until he took his final belly flop.
-->'''Gonzales''': A Walther PPK. Standard issue British Secret Service. License to kill (he looks to Locke, who gives Gonzales a nod of approval), or be '''killed'''. Take him away.
*** It was not that he was ''James Bond'', just that he was a
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*** But not that he was James Bond, just a 00-agent. In fairness, Bond was unarmed, outnumbered, and Gonzales' property, so he was pretty sure he had control of the situation up until he took his final belly flop.
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*** But not that he was James Bond, ''James Bond'', just a 00-agent. In fairness, Bond was unarmed, outnumbered, surrounded by armed men and on Gonzales' property, so property. So he was pretty sure he had control of the situation up until he took his final belly flop.
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*** Didn't the KGB cooperate with Bond (i.e. General Gogol)?
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*** Didn't the KGB cooperate with Bond (i.e. General Gogol)?Gogol)?
*** Sure but they're still on opposite sides and at the beginning of "The Spy Who Loved Me", it was the KGB who were trying to kill him in the opening scene.
*** Sure but they're still on opposite sides and at the beginning of "The Spy Who Loved Me", it was the KGB who were trying to kill him in the opening scene.
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** Gonzales' property seems to be fairly large with formidable security. It wouldn't be surprising if Bond wasn't the first one to trespass on his property. They probably planned to just take him to a specific spot out in the woods, kill him and then bury him. Or make him dig his own grave, kill him and then bury him.
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** Gonzales' property seems to be fairly large with formidable security. It wouldn't be surprising if Bond wasn't the first one to trespass on his property. They probably planned to just take him to a specific spot out in the woods, kill him and then bury him. Or make him dig his own grave, kill him him, and then bury him.him.
*** Gonzales identified Bond right away as a man with a license to kill. Did he intend to just take him off the property or to kill him. If it was the former, he knew he was a dangerous man, so stronger measures would have seemed prudent.
*** Gonzales identified Bond right away as a man with a license to kill. Did he intend to just take him off the property or to kill him. If it was the former, he knew he was a dangerous man, so stronger measures would have seemed prudent.
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** He was toying with him. He was a KGB Agent, so he knew who Bond was and was happy to kill him.him.
*** Didn't the KGB cooperate with Bond (i.e. General Gogol)?
*** Didn't the KGB cooperate with Bond (i.e. General Gogol)?
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** It was a matter of convenience. His target was on the yacht in plain view and he didn't care about collateral damage. He probably didn't care about leaving witnesses either because he lived at a secure location surrounded by security.
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* How did a trained biathlete-- a man who hits targets the size of a silver dollar--not hit something as large as Bond from the prone position?
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** Gonzales' property seems to be fairly large with formidable security. It wouldn't be surprising if Bond wasn't the first one to trespass on his property. They probably planned to just take him to a specific spot out in the woods, kill him and then bury him. Or make him dig his own grave, kill him and then bury him.
* How did a trained biathlete-- a man who hits targets the size of a silver dollar--not hit something as large as Bond from the proneposition?position?
** He was toying with him.
* How did a trained biathlete-- a man who hits targets the size of a silver dollar--not hit something as large as Bond from the prone
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*** Or he could be a real vicar. If Bond regularly, or even semi-regularly, visits his wife's grave, he has probably met and spoken to him. It would be extremely easy for someone to call him and claim to be with Universal Exports and have him tell Bond that there's an emergency and that a helicopter is being sent to pick him up. With no caller ID and no reason to believe it's anyone else, there's no reason for the vicar not to relay the message. It would also make it easier to sell Bond on the trap.
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*** Or he could be a real vicar.vicar who simply got duped. If Bond regularly, or even semi-regularly, visits his wife's grave, he has probably met and spoken to him. It would be extremely easy for someone to call him and claim to be with Universal Exports and have him tell Bond that there's an emergency and that a helicopter is being sent to pick him up. With no caller ID and no reason to believe it's anyone else, there's no reason for the vicar not to relay the message. It would also make it easier to sell Bond on the trap.
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** Because he wanted Bond to struggle. At one point, Bond was dangling from one of the skids, which amused Blofeld to no end. Once Bond ended up in the cockpit, Blofeld immediately went to crash the helicopter. He probably thought the remote system would prevent Bond from regaining control; which it did until Bond disabled it. Had Blofeld known that Bond was able to spot part of the remote system or that simply yanking on some electrical cables would disable it, he'd probably would have crashed it sooner.
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** Because he wanted Bond to struggle. At one point, Bond was dangling from one of the skids, which amused Blofeld to no end. Once Bond ended up in the cockpit, Blofeld immediately went to crash the helicopter. He probably thought the remote system would prevent Bond from regaining control; which it did until Bond disabled it. Had Blofeld known that Bond was able to spot part of the remote system or that simply yanking on some electrical cables would disable it, he'd he probably would have crashed it sooner.
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** He thought that the remote system would prevent Bond from regaining control even if he did make it to the cockpit; which it did until Bond disabled it. Plus, he liked the idea of Bond getting thrown off. At one point, Bond was dangling from one of the skids, which amused Blofeld to no end. Had Blofeld known that Bond was able to spot part of the remote system or that simply yanking on some electrical cables would disable it, he'd probably have crashed it sooner.
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** He thought that the remote system would prevent Because he wanted Bond from regaining control even if he did make it to the cockpit; which it did until Bond disabled it. Plus, he liked the idea of Bond getting thrown off.struggle. At one point, Bond was dangling from one of the skids, which amused Blofeld to no end. Once Bond ended up in the cockpit, Blofeld immediately went to crash the helicopter. He probably thought the remote system would prevent Bond from regaining control; which it did until Bond disabled it. Had Blofeld known that Bond was able to spot part of the remote system or that simply yanking on some electrical cables would disable it, he'd probably would have crashed it sooner.
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** He thought that the remote system would prevent Bond from regaining control even if he did make it to the cockpit; which it did until Bond disabled it. Plus, he liked the idea of Bond getting thrown off. At one point, Bond was dangling from one of the skids, which amused Blofeld to no end. Had Blofeld known that Bond was able to spot part of the remote system or that yanking on some electrical cables would disable it, he'd probably had crashed it sooner.
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** He thought that the remote system would prevent Bond from regaining control even if he did make it to the cockpit; which it did until Bond disabled it. Plus, he liked the idea of Bond getting thrown off. At one point, Bond was dangling from one of the skids, which amused Blofeld to no end. Had Blofeld known that Bond was able to spot part of the remote system or that yanking on some electrical cables would disable it, he'd probably had crashed it sooner.
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** Or he did report it and all the subsequent paperwork, investigation and recovery happened off-screen. The subsequent sinking could've taken place days, weeks or even months later.
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** Or he did report it and all the subsequent paperwork, investigation and recovery happened off-screen. The subsequent sinking could've taken place days, weeks or even months later. Remember, television episodes and movies do a lot of time compression. The film's entire plot probably took place over the course of a week or two.
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** Or he did report it and all the subsequent paperwork, investigation and recovery happened off-screen. The subsequent sinking could've taken place days, weeks or even months later.
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*** Or he could be a real vicar. If Bond regularly, or even semi-regularly, visits his wife's grave, he has probably met and spoken to him. It would be extremely easy for someone to call him and claim to be with Universal Exports and have him tell Bond that there's an emergency and that a helicopter is being sent to pick him up. With no caller ID and no reason to believe it's anyone else, there's no reason for the vicar not to relay the message. It would also make it easier to sell Bond on the trap.
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** Could of been another doppleganger or at least assumed at first until they had time to confirm it was the real one
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** Could of been another doppleganger or at least assumed at first until they had time to confirm it was the real oneone
* Why did the Blofeld Doppelganger not react by crashing the helicopter into something when he saw Bond getting to the outside of the helicopter?
* Why did the Cuban assassin kill the parents of Melina when she was in the yacht? If he saw that there was a third person on the yacht, why not just wait so there would be no eye witnesses?
* When the henchmen to Gonzales apprehend Bond at his swimming pool, the Cuban assassin tells the henchman to take Bond away but where specifically where they taking Bond to? They did 3/4 of a lap around the pool and it seems like there was no particular destination.
* How did a trained biathlete-- a man who hits targets the size of a silver dollar--not hit something as large as Bond from the prone position?
* Why did the Blofeld Doppelganger not react by crashing the helicopter into something when he saw Bond getting to the outside of the helicopter?
* Why did the Cuban assassin kill the parents of Melina when she was in the yacht? If he saw that there was a third person on the yacht, why not just wait so there would be no eye witnesses?
* When the henchmen to Gonzales apprehend Bond at his swimming pool, the Cuban assassin tells the henchman to take Bond away but where specifically where they taking Bond to? They did 3/4 of a lap around the pool and it seems like there was no particular destination.
* How did a trained biathlete-- a man who hits targets the size of a silver dollar--not hit something as large as Bond from the prone position?
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*** It makes sense because the Russians haven't actually invested anything in acquiring the ATAC. They were willing to buy it from Kristatos, but they hadn't actually lost any money or assets in the operation. Gogol wanted the ATAC and was willing to come out and buy it (presumably for an exorbitant price), but once it was destroyed Gogol wasn't willing to kill Bond in front of a ton of witnesses in retaliation. It hasn't actually cost Gogol anything, and the British have lost a valuable piece of equipment that they'll have to replace, in addition to the cost of the operation to recover it, so Gogol laughs and walks away.
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* Other than [[OurLawyersAdvisedThisTrope legal reasons]], are there any in-universe reasons why Bond never brings up the encounter with with Blofeld (in this film or any following ones)? The whole idea that he wouldn't think of telling at least someone at MI-6 "Hey, you know that guy who did all those terrorist plots and then disappeared? He just tried to kill me, but I got him?" is hard to swallow. Even if they can't utter his name I would think there would be ways around it (e.g Bond "I met familiar foe earlier" M/Q/Moneypenny "Oh? who?" Bond "I'll fill you in later").
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* Other than [[OurLawyersAdvisedThisTrope legal reasons]], are there any in-universe reasons why Bond never brings up the encounter with with Blofeld (in this film or any following ones)? The whole idea that he wouldn't think of telling at least someone at MI-6 "Hey, you know that guy who did all those terrorist plots and then disappeared? He just tried to kill me, but I got him?" is hard to swallow. Even if they can't utter his name I would think there would be ways around it (e.g Bond "I met familiar foe earlier" M/Q/Moneypenny "Oh? who?" Bond "I'll fill you in later").later").
** Could of been another doppleganger or at least assumed at first until they had time to confirm it was the real one
** Could of been another doppleganger or at least assumed at first until they had time to confirm it was the real one
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* Other than [[OurLawyersAdvisedThisTrope legal reasons]], are there any in-universe reasons why Bond never brings up the encounter with with Blofeld (in this film or any following ones)? The whole idea that he wouldn't think of telling at least someone at MI-6 "Hey, you know that guy who did all those terrorist plots and then disappeared? He just tried to kill me, but I got him?" is hard to swallow. Even if they can't utter his name I would think there would be ways around it (i.e (e.g Bond "I met familiar foe earlier" M/Q/Moneypenny "Oh? who?" Bond "I'll fill you in later").
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* Other than [[OurLawyersAdvisedThisTrope legal reasons]], are there any in-universe reasons why Bond never brings up the encounter with with Blofeld (in this film or any following ones)? The whole idea that he wouldn't think of telling at least someone at MI-6 "Hey, you know that guy who did all those terrorist plots and then disappeared? He just tried to kill me, but I got him?" Even if they can't utter his name I would think there would be ways around it (i.e Bond "I met familiar foe earlier" M/Q/Moneypenny "Oh? who?" Bond "I'll fill you in later").
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* Other than [[OurLawyersAdvisedThisTrope legal reasons]], are there any in-universe reasons why Bond never brings up the encounter with with Blofeld (in this film or any following ones)? The whole idea that he wouldn't think of telling at least someone at MI-6 "Hey, you know that guy who did all those terrorist plots and then disappeared? He just tried to kill me, but I got him?" is hard to swallow. Even if they can't utter his name I would think there would be ways around it (i.e Bond "I met familiar foe earlier" M/Q/Moneypenny "Oh? who?" Bond "I'll fill you in later").
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** I doubt he's a real vicar, just an agent dressed as a clergyman, like Q later on in the same film.
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** I doubt he's a real vicar, just an agent dressed as a clergyman, like Q later on in the same film.film.
* Other than [[OurLawyersAdvisedThisTrope legal reasons]], are there any in-universe reasons why Bond never brings up the encounter with with Blofeld (in this film or any following ones)? The whole idea that he wouldn't think of telling at least someone at MI-6 "Hey, you know that guy who did all those terrorist plots and then disappeared? He just tried to kill me, but I got him?" Even if they can't utter his name I would think there would be ways around it (i.e Bond "I met familiar foe earlier" M/Q/Moneypenny "Oh? who?" Bond "I'll fill you in later").
* Other than [[OurLawyersAdvisedThisTrope legal reasons]], are there any in-universe reasons why Bond never brings up the encounter with with Blofeld (in this film or any following ones)? The whole idea that he wouldn't think of telling at least someone at MI-6 "Hey, you know that guy who did all those terrorist plots and then disappeared? He just tried to kill me, but I got him?" Even if they can't utter his name I would think there would be ways around it (i.e Bond "I met familiar foe earlier" M/Q/Moneypenny "Oh? who?" Bond "I'll fill you in later").
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* Blofeld's strategy of killing Bond involved flying him around in a remote-controlled helicopter which he operated from the safety...of a flat rooftop with nothing hiding him, with no weapons or guards to protect him in case something went wrong, and he's also crippled and bound to a wheelchair. Wouldn't it have been a lot less risky to just hire a sniper to kill Bond from a distance, get ''himself'' a sniper rifle to shoot Bond while he's in the chopper, or even plant a bomb inside the helicopter so that it would explode while Bond was inside? He was the head of one of the most powerful/dangerous terrorist groups in the world, so you'd think he would have stuff like that leftover from the "glory days".
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*** Well, yes, but presumably they don't ''want'' to have to build it again if they don't need to is the essential point. It'll take them time, effort and resources to rebuild it, during which they won't have the advantage over the Soviets that it gives them, and the Soviets may discover a way to build it themselves or discover something else which would nullify any advantage having ATAC would give the British.
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** I doubt he's a real vicar, just an agent dressed as a clergyman, like Q later on in the same film.
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*** The British built the ATAC in the first place, though, and can presumably do so again, unlike the Soviets who needed to steal a pre-existing ATAC in order to have one.
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*** It's an acceptable outcome, but that's not the same as a ''preferred'' outcome. They don't want it falling into Soviet hands either way, but on balance the British would rather have the ATAC recovered and back in their possession than not, since it's a useful bit of kit that gives whichever side has it an advantage over the other. Bond succeeded in the sense that he managed to prevent the Soviets from getting their hands on it and using it against the British, but it's a PyrrhicVictory since the British don't have it anymore either -- and so can't use it against the Soviets. The 'detente' comes from the fact that, since the ATAC has been taken out of the picture by Bond tossing it over a cliff to its destruction, both sides are essentially 'equal'; neither has the advantage that possessing ATAC would give them.
