History Headscratchers / FarCry5

* After a SpitefulSpit from Nick, whatever it was Joh whispered to his ear that got him to be fully compliant must have been pretty convincing.

* [[spoiler: Faith being a hallucination for most of the game seems obvious enough but the BossBattle with her is a little jarring. Her attacks can actually hurt you and she can take a lot of bullets and even some rockets before finally dying of some minor looking injuries. Considering the nature of her segment of the game we don't even know if she's really dead other than Joseph grieving over her. It's just as likely the Deputy was shooting thin air instead of Faith herself. So when the Deputy was getting attacked by her exactly what was attacking the Deputy and how is the player suppsoed to beleive she's really dead from Joseph's eulogy alone?]]

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*** [[UnreliableNarrator How do you know the nuke DOES hit during the "Resist" ending?]] [[MushroomSamba You get high on a shitload of Bliss just before the "nukes" explode]] [[AllJustADream meaning you could have been hallucinating the entire sequence]] (the fact some of your Bliss hallucinations before the final level see the "world on fire" just like the nuke ending doesn't rule out the "Resist" ending being an extension of the Bliss hallucination you were subjected to earlier). [[/folder]]

*** The game reveals that the Project at Eden's Gate are an ApocalypseCult of {{CrazySurvivalist}}s who are preparing for TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt (complete with taking over [[YeOldeNuclearSilo old nuclear bunkers]] to both store up supplies, and to hold those that they "save" to "protect" them from the coming apocalypse), and are building their army to A) "save" as many people as possible before the end comes and B) to fight off anybody trying to stop the cult, [[WellIntentionedExtremist as they think that stopping the cult means dooming all those that the cult holds captive from the apocalypse that they just "saved" them from]]. [[spoiler: And if you try to arrest Joseph Seed in the end instead of walking away, [[TheExtremistWasRight you prove him right]] ([[AlternativeCharacterInterpretation at least]] [[UnreliableNarrator the high-on-Bliss Deputy]] [[MushroomSamba didn't just hallucinate the following]]) [[NukeEm as Hope County is nuked]], and [[SoleSurvivor the only ones who survive are you and him]] ([[AloneWithThePsycho with him holding you captive]]).]]

*** How do you know the nuke DOES hit during the "Resist" ending? [[MushroomSamba You get high on a shitload of Bliss just before the "nukes" explode]] [[AllJustADream meaning you could have been hallucinating the entire sequence]] (the fact some of your Bliss hallucinations before the final level see the "world on fire" just like the nuke ending doesn't rule out the "Resist" ending being an extension of the Bliss hallucination you were subjected to earlier). [[/folder]]

*** The game reveals that the Project at Eden's Gate are an ApocalypseCult of {{CrazySurvivalist}}s who are preparing for TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt (complete with taking over [[YeOldeNuclearSilo old nuclear bunkers]] to both store up supplies, and to hold those that they "save" to "protect" them from the coming apocalypse), and are building their army to A) "save" as many people as possible before the end comes and B) to fight off anybody trying to stop the cult, [[WellIntentionedExtremist as they think that stopping the cult means dooming all those that the cult holds captive from the apocalypse that they just "saved" them from]]. [[spoiler: And if you try to arrest Joseph Seed in the end instead of walking away, [[TheExtremistWasRight you prove him right]] [[NukeEm as Hope County is nuked]], and [[SoleSurvivor the only ones who survive are you and him]] ([[AloneWithThePsycho with him holding you captive]]).]]

*** How do you know it doesn't? In that ending, you black out several full minutes before the nuke would have dropped in the 'Resist' ending.[[/folder]]

** This is something that has to be questioned: Why doesn't the nuclear attack happen if the Deputy walked away? Did their decision to leave create a force field over Hope County? Did Joseph have a mole in an ICBM silo just waiting for a signal? Was it all a hallucination? Was it staged? If the nuke was coming, how could anything happening in Hope County affect it?[[/folder]]

** This is something that has to be questioned: Why doesn't the nuclear attack happen if the Deputy walked away? Did their decision to leave create force field over Hope County? Did Joseph have a mole in an ICBM silo just waiting for a signal? Was it all a hallucination? Was it staged? If the nuke was coming, how could anything happening in Hope County affect it?[[/folder]]

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* Montana is a very white state; from 2015 census data, whites are 90% of the population, followed by Native Americans at 6.5%, Hispanics at 3.5%, mixed race at 3%, and every other ethnicity is lucky to break half a percent (this all adds up to more than 100% because more than one ethnicity can be recorded; a person who considers themselves mixed Native and White might check three boxes). Moreover, minorities mostly reside in the cities of the state, aside from Native Americans who largely live on reservations. So how are there two blacks just among the protagonist character set, along with others who have apparently joined the cult? And that's not considering other ethnicities who may be less obvious when you're machine gunning them or are characters that have not been revealed yet. It's fine, just... not very demographically accurate.
** For one thing, having a non-white priest in Montana is more realistic than it sounds: a lot of them get called to serve very distant congregations, so clergy (along with doctors and educators) are some of the more likely members of a rural, overwhelmingly white community to be non-white. It's less probable than having a white priest, but it's the kind of ordinary improbability you expect to see now and then. As for the cult members - not everyone need have been recruited from the locals. There's no reason to suppose he didn't have some followers of color before setting up shop in Montana.
** More fundamentally, I don't see what's unrealistic about a racially unrepresentative person turning out to have story significance. It isn't like the author has to throw darts at pictures to determine who gets to be major characters. The author can give anyone in the town a good reason to be part of the story, so the only question is whether it's realistic for them to exist in the first place. While it's not common for a non-reservation county in Montana to have many minorities, it's less common for it to have literally none. Maybe there's only 10 black people in the county (excluding the outsiders), but if Ubisoft makes one of them an Iraq War veteran, or a paramedic, that could easily justify making them important to the story.
** The opening question was more about how not just two protagonists, but (more significantly) also at least some of the cult members, are black. The Project's beginning is bare bones so far, but it's implied by Jeffries initially being friendly with Joseph Seed then taking his flock that the Seeds did not have much of a following before coming to Hope County. Again, this is all kind of shooting in the dark before the game comes out, but it feels a lot like poorly supported EqualOpportunityEvil at this point.
** But speaking of Jeffries, his denomination itself is kind of weird, since Jeffries isn't just a priest, but a Catholic one, and Montana is only 13% Catholic. Moreover, only 3 percent of Catholics are black, and there are only 250 black priests out of 40,000 in the US as of 2012. As noted, clergy are sometimes deliberately assigned to be dissonant, but it makes the odds that much longer.
*** Maybe Jeffries not being a local is relevant to the story, even in the creation of the main antagonist.
** In one pìece of the pre-release promotional material you can see a young man driving into hope county to seek refuge into Mr Seed's flock, he is welcomed and recruited without apparently any opposition. The cult's size, power and diversity can be easily explained by this, they just come from all over to join it. Same with the resistance, which can be a mixture of locals and outside volunteers (just like your character) There are many contemporary real life examples of warring militias being largely staffed by foreign recruits and volunteers.
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* The game's main ending features a nuclear detonation destroying Hope County. The character of Hurk connects ''Far Cry 5'' to the rest of the mainline canon ''Far Cry'' games. Given that ''Far Cry 3'' features an [[Franchise/AssassinsCreed Abstergo lab]] that thus establishes the mainline ''Far Cry'' games as being in the same setting as multiple other Ubisoft franchises, including the ''Franchise/AssassinsCreed'' and ''[[VideoGame/Watch_Dogs Watch_Dogs]]'' franchises, this raises the question of what exactly this means about the game's main ending?\\\

* The game's main ending features a nuclear detonation destroying Hope County. The character of Hurk connects ''Far Cry 5'' to the rest of the mainline canon ''Far Cry'' games. Given that ''Far Cry 3'' features an [[Franchise/AssassinsCreed Abstergo lab]] that thus establishes the mainline ''Far Cry'' games as being in the same setting as multiple other Ubisoft franchises, including the ''Franchise/AssassinsCreed'' and [[VideoGame/Watch_Dogs ''Watch_Dogs'']] franchises, this raises the question of what exactly this means about the game's main ending?\\\

* The game's main ending features a nuclear detonation destroying Hope County. The character of Hurk connects ''Far Cry 5'' to the rest of the mainline canon ''Far Cry'' games that starts with ''Far Cry 2''. Given that ''Far Cry 3'' features an [[Franchise/AssassinsCreed Abstergo lab]] that thus establishes the mainline ''Far Cry'' games being in the same setting as multiple other Ubisoft franchises, including the ''Franchise/AssassinsCreed'' and ''Watch_Dogs'' franchises, this raises the question of what exactly this means about the game's main ending? features the character of Hurk, which confirms that it is set in the same universe as ''Far Cry 3'' and ''Far Cry 4''. This raises a series of questions:\\\

The Ending is a dream, the deputy is still high on bliss. They arrest Seed and all is well, the Deputy just dreams the blast.

* The game's main ending features a nuclear detonation destroying Hope County. The character of Hurk connects ''Far Cry 5'' to the rest of the mainline canon ''Far Cry'' games that starts with ''Far Cry 2''. Given that ''Far Cry 3'' features an [[Franchise/AssassinsCreed Abstergo lab]] that thus establishes the mainline ''Far Cry'' games being in the same setting as multiple other Ubisoft franchises, including the ''Franchise/AssassinsCreed'' and ''Watch_Dogs'' franchises, this raises the question of what exactly this means about the game's main ending? features the character of Hurk, which confirms that it is set in the same universe as ''Far Cry 3'' and ''Far Cry 4''. This raises a series of questions:

Was the detonation intentional or the result of an accident? If intentional, was it caused by non-state actors or state-actors? If caused by non-state actors, why would they use such a valuable weapon targeting rural Montana? If caused by state-actors, wouldn't a nuclear exchange end the ''Ubisoft'' shared universe? If not, how would an extremely unfortunate nuclear accident or a nuclear terrorist attack have effects on the future of their shared universe? If this is only one detonation, would it be possible for characters who were in any of the bunkers to be rescued? As an extension of that final question, how does ''Far Cry 5'' fit-in with the rest of the canon if it is part of it rather than assumed to be a spin-off?

** While you could expect somebody would grow suspicious at some point when the arresting group don’t return, the opening of the game ends with the police dispatcher being revealed to be a Peggie.

*** Maybe jeffries not being a local is relevant to the story, even in the creation of the main antagonist.

*** The idea that the government is too preoccupied with other issues to be able to afford to stop the Cult looks surprisingly (not to mention, scarily) more likely taking into account one of the game's endings, [[spoiler: which shows an actual ''nuke'' detonating in Hope County, implying that Joseph was right all along. With how isolated from the outside world everyone in Hope County is, it's not wholly unfeasible to imagine that throughout the entire game some seriously messed up political shit was going down between, say, America and North Korea - [[FromBadToWorse so much that even the army was busy.]]]]

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