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[[WMG: What exactly counts as a "Rejected Disney Character"?]]
Because a lot of the characters that Warren mentions, like Clarabelle Cow, Horace Horsecollar ''did'' star in later Mickey Mouse shows (especially in HouseOfMouse). Also why is Minnie in the Wasteland- she's certainly not rejected by any means. How come we also don't see early Mickey Mouse designs in there either (like the insane one from Plane Crazy)?

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[[WMG: * What exactly counts as a "Rejected Disney Character"?]]
Character"? Because a lot of the characters that Warren mentions, like Clarabelle Cow, Horace Horsecollar ''did'' star in later Mickey Mouse shows (especially in HouseOfMouse). Also why is Minnie in the Wasteland- she's certainly not rejected by any means. How come we also don't see early Mickey Mouse designs in there either (like the insane one from Plane Crazy)?
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Because a lot of the characters that Warren mentions, like Clarabelle Cow, Horace Horsecollar ''did'' star in later Mickey Mouse shows (especially in HouseOfMouse). Also why is Minnie in the Wasteland- she's certainly not rejected by any means. How come we also don't see early Mickey Mouse designs in there either (like the insane one from Plane Crazy)?

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Because a lot of the characters that Warren mentions, like Clarabelle Cow, Horace Horsecollar ''did'' star in later Mickey Mouse shows (especially in HouseOfMouse). Also why is Minnie in the Wasteland- she's certainly not rejected by any means. How come we also don't see early Mickey Mouse designs in there either (like the insane one from Plane Crazy)?Crazy)?
**Old designs of characters fall under the "Rejected" part. There's no old Mickeys around as despite how much he's changed, his various incarnations are still too popular to fall astray.
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**** Think of it this way- Oswald probably isn't that familiar with Mickey. He's been basically banished from the Wasteland (banished may not be the best word- but he's nixed from being ruler thanks to the Blot and the Mad Doctor) and probably scared and confused. He's not vengeful of Mickey because he doesn't know that Mickey created the mess, and that he stole ABSOLUTELY everything from him. He's probably going to end up vengeful once he gets more of the story (the idea that the Blot is making him a pawn- though I suspect that's the Mad Doctor's doing) and the second half of the game is redeeming him and saving Wasteland.
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***Okay, so maybe it was a pretty weak excuse to justify The Blot by calling the original Phantom Blot "lame". What he should have said was "not quite applicable to the game".



** It's Mickey on an epic adventure. What more do you want?

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** It's Mickey on an epic adventure. What more do you want?want?
[[WMG: What exactly counts as a "Rejected Disney Character"?]]
Because a lot of the characters that Warren mentions, like Clarabelle Cow, Horace Horsecollar ''did'' star in later Mickey Mouse shows (especially in HouseOfMouse). Also why is Minnie in the Wasteland- she's certainly not rejected by any means. How come we also don't see early Mickey Mouse designs in there either (like the insane one from Plane Crazy)?

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* Couldn't they think of a better name then "Epic Mickey"?

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*** Well, Mickey was holding a paintbrush, which can shoot thinner. Oswald was probably afraid Mickey would erase him on the spot, just like the thinner did when an entire bottle of it crashed, bringing the tidal wave in the "Mean Street" flashback.
* Couldn't they think of a better name then "Epic Mickey"?Mickey"?
** It's Mickey on an epic adventure. What more do you want?
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** I dunno, he DID destroy an entire world.

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** I dunno, he DID destroy an entire world.world.
* Couldn't they think of a better name then "Epic Mickey"?
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*** [[CompletelyMissingThePoint Yen Sid doesn't have a wand, he has a hat.]] Also, he didn't fix it because ''he didn't know.'' The first time the Blot made himself known to the outside world was probably when he dragged Mickey out of bed.
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* Okay, I ''know'' the game's not out yet, but from the cinematics that have been released, it seems that Oswald is, instead of hating Mickey to death, actually afraid of Mickey. What gives?

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* Okay, I ''know'' the game's not out yet, but from the cinematics that have been released, it seems that Oswald is, instead of hating Mickey to death, actually afraid of Mickey. What gives?gives?
** I dunno, he DID destroy an entire world.
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** Because Splash Mountain and the infamy of the film will ensure that the Brer animals will never be forgotten.

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** Because Splash Mountain and the infamy of the film will ensure that the Brer animals will never be forgotten.forgotten.
* Okay, I ''know'' the game's not out yet, but from the cinematics that have been released, it seems that Oswald is, instead of hating Mickey to death, actually afraid of Mickey. What gives?
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***** You're ignoring the fact that SongOfTheSouth isn't actually racist- it's just percieved that way. All of the ideas that it is racist are misconceptions. It's not actually any more racist than all of the other classic Disney films-no, the characters are not slaves, no, racism does not appear in the story, yes, you can play clips from it out of context to make them sound racist, no, they are not racist in context.
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**** Just because they didn't 'intend' for it to be racist doesn't mean it ''isn't''. You do know that a shocking amount of racism was done with 'good' intentions, right?


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**** Because there are some things that ''should'' be abandoned, like the racism that Disney perpetuated through its old works. The Wasteland is about things that Disney eventually moved on from, not outright took down because they're just unacceptable.
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**The brooms were caused by his own magic(Okay techinically mickey did it, but the wand was his.) While the wasteland was techincally his creation, it was filled with things he didn't create, blot and giant hole included. Plus as shown by the opening the blot can grow ginormus, so big that yin sid could accidently destroy the wasteland completly, or a good chunk of it. Plus he didn't know who done it and if they had used supernatrural forces when they did it. It wasn't till later he found out the truth.
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**** Jealous, yes, but not angry BEFORE the Blot was unleashed. Best way for the comics to come out.
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*** Simple, show Br'er Fox and Br'er Bear as mindless parts of the mutated things-pieced-together bots.

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*** Simple, show Br'er Fox and Br'er Bear as mindless parts of the mutated things-pieced-together bots.bots.
** Because Splash Mountain and the infamy of the film will ensure that the Brer animals will never be forgotten.
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** You seem to be forgetting that even though Warren Spector is making this game, Disney still controls all final creative decisions on what can and can not be allowed. They still refuse to allow this video to go on Blu Ray or DVD, so I don't see why they would feel the need to make an exception for this game. Plus, the UnfortunateImplications of the film are simply too high for it to work in EpicMickey (Remember that the characters were meant to represent a cultural bias of slaves against slave owners. Even if they made Br'er Rabbit a helper of sorts, I don't see how they could possibly include Br'er Fox or Br'er Bear in it while still maintaining their original personalities ''and'' not seeming culturally racist).

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** You seem to be forgetting that even though Warren Spector is making this game, Disney still controls all final creative decisions on what can and can not be allowed. They still refuse to allow this video to go on Blu Ray or DVD, so I don't see why they would feel the need to make an exception for this game. Plus, the UnfortunateImplications of the film are simply too high for it to work in EpicMickey (Remember that the characters were meant to represent a cultural bias of slaves against slave owners. Even if they made Br'er Rabbit a helper of sorts, I don't see how they could possibly include Br'er Fox or Br'er Bear in it while still maintaining their original personalities ''and'' not seeming culturally racist).racist).
*** Simple, show Br'er Fox and Br'er Bear as mindless parts of the mutated things-pieced-together bots.
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*** Also, wouldn't culturally outdated things be EXACTLY the sort of stuff the Wasteland keeps? It's about forgotten, abandoned things.

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*** Also, wouldn't culturally outdated things be EXACTLY the sort of stuff the Wasteland keeps? It's about forgotten, abandoned things.things.
**You seem to be forgetting that even though Warren Spector is making this game, Disney still controls all final creative decisions on what can and can not be allowed. They still refuse to allow this video to go on Blu Ray or DVD, so I don't see why they would feel the need to make an exception for this game. Plus, the UnfortunateImplications of the film are simply too high for it to work in EpicMickey (Remember that the characters were meant to represent a cultural bias of slaves against slave owners. Even if they made Br'er Rabbit a helper of sorts, I don't see how they could possibly include Br'er Fox or Br'er Bear in it while still maintaining their original personalities ''and'' not seeming culturally racist).
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*** By today's standards, probably, but I'm sure when they were first making it they didn't intend to be racist. The film certainly does fall under Wasteland's standards of "rejected and unloved". Would be a shame to see it go to waste.

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*** By today's standards, probably, but I'm sure when they were first making it they didn't intend to be racist. The film certainly does fall under Wasteland's standards of "rejected and unloved". Would be a shame to see it go to waste.waste.
*** Also, wouldn't culturally outdated things be EXACTLY the sort of stuff the Wasteland keeps? It's about forgotten, abandoned things.
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** Because it is [[strike:racist]] culturally outdated. Even Wasteland has standards.

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** Because it is [[strike:racist]] culturally outdated. Even Wasteland has standards.standards.
*** By today's standards, probably, but I'm sure when they were first making it they didn't intend to be racist. The film certainly does fall under Wasteland's standards of "rejected and unloved". Would be a shame to see it go to waste.
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*** That was just the first story he appeared in, though. Most later stories with him as the villain tended to scrap the aspect of the character that he was unwilling to kill Mickey hands on, made him wear the black cloak all the time instead of just as a disguise, and escalated his ambitions into outright [[TakeOverTheWorld World Domination]]. I always thought he was a cool villain, especially since Mickey was more typically pitted against incompetent thugs like Pete. I'm not necessary against the "ink moster" reimagining, though. I just don't like that the Blot we've seen so far seems to be little more than a mindless monster rather than the DiobolicalMastermind he should be.

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*** That was just the first story he appeared in, though. Most later stories with him as the villain tended to scrap the aspect of the character that he was unwilling to kill Mickey hands on, made him wear the black cloak all the time instead of just as a disguise, and escalated his ambitions into outright [[TakeOverTheWorld World Domination]]. I always thought he was a cool villain, especially since Mickey was more typically pitted against incompetent thugs like Pete. I'm not necessary against the "ink moster" reimagining, though. I just don't like that the Blot we've seen so far seems to be little more than a mindless monster rather than the DiobolicalMastermind DiabolicalMastermind he should be.
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*** That was just the first story he appeared in, though. Most later stories with him as the villain tended to scrap the aspect of the character that he was unwilling to kill Mickey hands on, made him wear the black cloak all the time instead of just as a disguise, and escalated his ambitions into outright [[TakeOverTheWorld World Domination]]. I always thought he was a cool villain, especially since Mickey was more typically pitted against incompetent thugs like Pete. I'm not necessary against the "ink moster" reimagining, though. I just don't like that the Blot we've seen so far seems to be little more than a mindless monster rather than the DiobolicalMastermind he should be.
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** Because it is [[strike:racist]] culturally outdated and [[SoBadItsHorrible lame]].

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** Because it is [[strike:racist]] culturally outdated and [[SoBadItsHorrible lame]].outdated. Even Wasteland has standards.
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** Because the Phantom Blot '''was'''lame. Really, his whole guise was akin to a lame [[ScoobyDooHoax Scooby Doo villain]] where all he did was put on a black sheet, and steal one type of camera. [[Spoiler: You find out at the end it was because he was actually smuggling weapons information, but even still, not that threatening]]. And then in later uses from HouseOfMouse, his main objectives were stealing everyone's color and money. He was an interesting thief, but definitely not EpicMickey malicious or threatening.

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** Because the Phantom Blot '''was'''lame.'''was''' lame. Really, his whole guise was akin to a lame [[ScoobyDooHoax Scooby Doo villain]] where all he did was put on a black sheet, and steal one type of camera. [[Spoiler: [[spoiler: You find out at the end it was because he was actually smuggling weapons information, but even still, not that threatening]]. And then in later uses from HouseOfMouse, his main objectives were stealing everyone's color and money. He was an interesting thief, but definitely not EpicMickey malicious or threatening. The EldritchAbomination from paint aspect is a much more interesting interpretation of the character.

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* Why, oh WHY couldn't they put at least ''one'' reference to SongOfTheSouth?

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** Because the Phantom Blot '''was'''lame. Really, his whole guise was akin to a lame [[ScoobyDooHoax Scooby Doo villain]] where all he did was put on a black sheet, and steal one type of camera. [[Spoiler: You find out at the end it was because he was actually smuggling weapons information, but even still, not that threatening]]. And then in later uses from HouseOfMouse, his main objectives were stealing everyone's color and money. He was an interesting thief, but definitely not EpicMickey malicious or threatening.
* Why, oh WHY couldn't they put at least ''one'' reference to SongOfTheSouth?SongOfTheSouth?
** Because it is [[strike:racist]] culturally outdated and [[SoBadItsHorrible lame]].
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* Warren Spector calling the Phantom Blot lame to justify using his name for a generic blob monster.

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* Warren Spector calling the Phantom Blot lame to justify using his name for a generic blob monster.monster.
* Why, oh WHY couldn't they put at least ''one'' reference to SongOfTheSouth?
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*** But it was specifically stated before that alless happened, Oswald was still angry and jealous of his brothers fame.
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** Because, at this point, Mickey's the one who created the Phantom Blot out of playfulness and ended up destroying the world for forgotten toons.

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** Because, at this point, Mickey's the one who created the Phantom Blot out of playfulness and ended up destroying the world for forgotten toons.toons.
*Warren Spector calling the Phantom Blot lame to justify using his name for a generic blob monster.
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* Why does Oswald hate Mickey so much? Granted, he was the one that eventually became Disney's iconic character, but why blame him for that? It was, afterall, Charles Mintz's fault with his gratuitous ExecutiveMeddling that ultimately forced Disney to abandon Universal and give up the character.

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* Why does Oswald hate Mickey so much? Granted, he was the one that eventually became Disney's iconic character, but why blame him for that? It was, afterall, Charles Mintz's fault with his gratuitous ExecutiveMeddling that ultimately forced Disney to abandon Universal and give up the character.character.
** Because, at this point, Mickey's the one who created the Phantom Blot out of playfulness and ended up destroying the world for forgotten toons.
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**Even still, you'd think that because he himself created the world, merely removing one enemy from it should be a piece of cake for him. Afterall, he was able to stop an entire whirlpool and thousands of possessed brooms with just a wave of his hand.
*Why does Oswald hate Mickey so much? Granted, he was the one that eventually became Disney's iconic character, but why blame him for that? It was, afterall, Charles Mintz's fault with his gratuitous ExecutiveMeddling that ultimately forced Disney to abandon Universal and give up the character.
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If Yen Sid, the incredibly powerful Sorcerer, was able to create the world of Wasteland, why couldn't he simply restore it after Mickey ruined it? He was able to stop the phantom brooms in Sorcerer's Apprentice, so why not just one living ink blot? And even if he wasn't able to fix it completely, he could have still aided Oswald in the Blot Wars by supplying him with weaponry or something.

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* If Yen Sid, the incredibly powerful Sorcerer, was able to create the world of Wasteland, why couldn't he simply restore it after Mickey ruined it? He was able to stop the phantom brooms in Sorcerer's Apprentice, so why not just one living ink blot? And even if he wasn't able to fix it completely, he could have still aided Oswald in the Blot Wars by supplying him with weaponry or something.
** The impression I got from the previews was that he simply didn't discover what happened -- at least, not until it was far too late for him to do anything. Plus, it was interfering with Wasteland that created the Blot in the first place -- more meddling from outside has the potential to make things even worse.

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