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****Some Episcopalians are evangelicalists, especially in certain regions of the country. The denomination varies all over the board on issues. Also, Marianne's dad could also be a priest of the Anglican Church of America (an offshoot of the Episopal Church of America) that does not even ordain women.
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** I thought that people did seem to find the blue devil change to be ridiculous and annoying and Marianne's little club only had a handful of members. If Marianne's parents made a big fuss and threatened to sue then I can see the school folding even if the students aren't on board. And eople didn't really seem to think that Olive was a slut at that point in time. If anything, the attention seemed pretty positive and Olive was enjoying it and making no effort to correct the rumors. Sure, Nina already suggested that she wear an A on her clothes like Hester but not only did Hester also sleep with one guy to earn that reputation but Nina was one of Marianne's followers. It was only after her ''very'' public display with Brandon at a party and subsequent clients that Olive really started to get a reputation as a slut.

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** I thought that people did seem to find the blue devil change to be ridiculous and annoying and Marianne's little club only had a handful of members. If Marianne's parents made a big fuss and threatened to sue then I can see the school folding even if the students aren't on board. And eople people didn't really seem to think that Olive was a slut at that point in time.the beginning when it was just George. If anything, the attention seemed pretty positive and Olive was enjoying it and making no effort to correct the rumors. Sure, Nina already suggested that she wear an A on her clothes like Hester but not only did Hester also sleep with one guy to earn that reputation but Nina was one of Marianne's followers. It was only after her ''very'' public display with Brandon at a party and subsequent clients that Olive really started to get a reputation as a slut.
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* A lot of people complain about the antagonists being over-the-top Christian fundies. It's not something that bugs me because I've met much worse people in real life. But what DOES confuse me is how much power they have. In real life, people who behave like that are often ridiculed by their peers. Said peers won't take anything they say seriously and will just make fun of them behind their backs. But these guys manage to get a school to change their mascot. They convince the entire school that a girl is a slut because she slept with ONE guy. One, it's a high school. Even finding out the "nice girl" lost her virginity shouldn't be a huge deal. Maybe people will gossip for a day, but they'll get over it quickly. Two, like I said, fundie people like these guys aren't usually respected or taken seriously. If you know a person is like that and they say someone is a slut, wouldn't you pretty much know they were over-exagerating?

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* A lot of people complain about the antagonists being over-the-top Christian fundies. It's not something that bugs me because I've met much worse people in real life. But what DOES confuse me is how much power they have. In real life, people who behave like that are often ridiculed by their peers. Said peers won't take anything they say seriously and will just make fun of them behind their backs. But these guys manage to get a school to change their mascot. They convince the entire school that a girl is a slut because she slept with ONE guy. One, it's a high school. Even finding out the "nice girl" lost her virginity shouldn't be a huge deal. Maybe people will gossip for a day, but they'll get over it quickly. Two, like I said, fundie people like these guys aren't usually respected or taken seriously. If you know a person is like that and they say someone is a slut, wouldn't you pretty much know they were over-exagerating?over-exagerating?
** I thought that people did seem to find the blue devil change to be ridiculous and annoying and Marianne's little club only had a handful of members. If Marianne's parents made a big fuss and threatened to sue then I can see the school folding even if the students aren't on board. And eople didn't really seem to think that Olive was a slut at that point in time. If anything, the attention seemed pretty positive and Olive was enjoying it and making no effort to correct the rumors. Sure, Nina already suggested that she wear an A on her clothes like Hester but not only did Hester also sleep with one guy to earn that reputation but Nina was one of Marianne's followers. It was only after her ''very'' public display with Brandon at a party and subsequent clients that Olive really started to get a reputation as a slut.
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* Why won't the second guy Olive helped admit what really happened? Yeah, he's getting a lot of action because everything thinks he had sex with Olive but since he now has legitimate experience, what does it matter if the Olive-sex never happened? Is sleeping with her somehow cooler than just having had sex at all? Even though she's supposedly insanely easy?

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* Why won't the second guy Olive helped admit what really happened? Yeah, he's getting a lot of action because everything thinks he had sex with Olive but since he now has legitimate experience, what does it matter if the Olive-sex never happened? Is sleeping with her somehow cooler than just having had sex at all? Even though she's supposedly insanely easy?easy?
** Eh, I guess it's a whole "I've been a lie" type of thing.
* A lot of people complain about the antagonists being over-the-top Christian fundies. It's not something that bugs me because I've met much worse people in real life. But what DOES confuse me is how much power they have. In real life, people who behave like that are often ridiculed by their peers. Said peers won't take anything they say seriously and will just make fun of them behind their backs. But these guys manage to get a school to change their mascot. They convince the entire school that a girl is a slut because she slept with ONE guy. One, it's a high school. Even finding out the "nice girl" lost her virginity shouldn't be a huge deal. Maybe people will gossip for a day, but they'll get over it quickly. Two, like I said, fundie people like these guys aren't usually respected or taken seriously. If you know a person is like that and they say someone is a slut, wouldn't you pretty much know they were over-exagerating?
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** I took it as Olive's inexperience in relationships. She honestly thought that the marriage breaking up was worse than him not knowing[[hottip:*:probably forgetting that he might get chlamydia if they ever had sex again...yeah]]. It's the sort of thing that doesn't make sense if you think about it, but Olive wasn't thinking anything but "happy in relationship->my doing something->broken relationship", so blamed the step from point A to point B, her action.

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** I took it as Olive's inexperience in relationships. She honestly thought that the marriage breaking up was worse than him not knowing[[hottip:*:probably forgetting that he might get chlamydia if they ever had sex again...yeah]]. It's the sort of thing that doesn't make sense if you think about it, but Olive wasn't thinking anything but "happy in relationship->my doing something->broken relationship", so blamed the step from point A to point B, her action.action.
* Why won't the second guy Olive helped admit what really happened? Yeah, he's getting a lot of action because everything thinks he had sex with Olive but since he now has legitimate experience, what does it matter if the Olive-sex never happened? Is sleeping with her somehow cooler than just having had sex at all? Even though she's supposedly insanely easy?
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** Definitely. I think perhaps she's a woman worried she's only attractive to her husband now that she's getting older and the fact that Micah (and whomever else) found her attractive was too hard to resist. On a related note, the fact that Mrs Griffith so called accused Oliver of anything was shallow and pathetic. i hated her in that moment

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** Definitely. I think perhaps she's a woman worried she's only attractive to her husband now that she's getting older and the fact that Micah (and whomever else) found her attractive was too hard to resist. On a related note, the fact that Mrs Mrs. Griffith so called accused Oliver of anything was shallow and pathetic. i I hated her in that moment moment.
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** This Troper got the impression Rhiannon was living vicarious through Olive much like most viewers do. Getting it on with a College boy is cool for her, becoming the school slut was going to far, after all Rhiannon isn't a slut!
** Depends on whose vantage point you're looking at. Olive lied to her, and then wouldn't seriously tell her the truth. Then she started spreading news around about sleeping with other people, and hanging out with different crowds without telling her. Rhiannon went to far, but Olive was a pretty bad friend herself. No one is spotless.

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** This Troper got the impression Rhiannon was living vicarious through Olive much like most viewers do. Getting it on with a College boy is cool for her, becoming the school slut was going to too far, after all Rhiannon isn't a slut!
** Depends on whose vantage point you're looking at. Olive lied to her, and then wouldn't seriously tell her the truth. Then she started spreading news around about sleeping with other people, and hanging out with different crowds without telling her. Rhiannon went to too far, but Olive was a pretty bad friend herself. No one is spotless.
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** I took it as Olive's inexperience in relationships. She honestly thought that the marriage breaking up was worse than him not knowing[[hottip*:probably forgetting that he might get chlamydia if they ever had sex again...yeah]]. It's the sort of thing that doesn't make sense if you think about it, but Olive wasn't thinking anything but "happy in relationship->my doing something->broken relationship", so blamed the step from point A to point B, her action.

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** I took it as Olive's inexperience in relationships. She honestly thought that the marriage breaking up was worse than him not knowing[[hottip*:probably knowing[[hottip:*:probably forgetting that he might get chlamydia if they ever had sex again...yeah]]. It's the sort of thing that doesn't make sense if you think about it, but Olive wasn't thinking anything but "happy in relationship->my doing something->broken relationship", so blamed the step from point A to point B, her action.
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*** This troper thinks it's pretty cute, actually, but the fact is, yeah, she's kind of a nerd, and everyone knows it. A lot of actually intelligent girls in high school conceal their intelligence to make themselves more attractive (sadly, this works in certain respects), and Olive clearly does not do this, nor does it even occur to her that she "should."

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* The "I feel bad about telling you the truth" bit. I just don't get that at all. I could see how she felt bad for being the one to bring him the bad news, but I seriously don't get why Olive feels bad about telling Mr Griffith about his wife, period.

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** Additionally: the guys are mostly going for a reputation with females and jocks. These are the groups who wouldn't need Olive's help anyway, so them being out of the loop doesn't really hurt business.
* The "I feel bad about telling you the truth" bit. I just don't get that at all. I could see how she felt bad for being the one to bring him the bad news, but I seriously don't get why Olive feels bad about telling Mr Griffith about his wife, period.period.
** I took it as Olive's inexperience in relationships. She honestly thought that the marriage breaking up was worse than him not knowing[[hottip*:probably forgetting that he might get chlamydia if they ever had sex again...yeah]]. It's the sort of thing that doesn't make sense if you think about it, but Olive wasn't thinking anything but "happy in relationship->my doing something->broken relationship", so blamed the step from point A to point B, her action.
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** Just my guess, here, but remember Olive's first actual date onscreen? She starts babbling on about diseases. She may be hot, but if her response to interest is to babble about inappropriate subjects, that's...unattractive.
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*** Or a cross between the principal being blustery and Olive being a good girl--it didn't really hit home as important because, well, she wasn't going to swear at school again. So no real point in arguing.
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**** Cheerleaders, specifically, generally have different rules. It's ''supposed'' to be because the skirts are designed to be a little less risque--length isn't the only indicator, and the school gets to veto cheerleading uniforms--but it's enough for a loophole.
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** Simple: dozens of people were present at Melody Bostick's party to hear Olive and Brandon pretend to have sex, but Brandon told only one person, Evan, what really happened; it's possible that Brandon told a couple of Olive's other clients. Likewise, Olive's clients each would have an incentive to reveal the truth to at most one or two close friends; the deception does them no good if the truth comes out. So a handful of people know the truth, but have no incentive to spread it widely, but the whole school hears the false rumors. Also, it's in the nature of gossip and rumor to produce multiple variations on any given tale, so there were probably multiple wild versions of each story about Olive flying around. Anyone who heard the true version might not necessarily believe it. Consider that Anson hears enough of the truth to know to offer Olive a gift card, but thinks that she'll really have sex with him.

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** Simple: dozens of people were present at Melody Bostick's party to hear Olive and Brandon pretend to have sex, but Brandon told only one person, Evan, what really happened; it's possible that Brandon told a couple of Olive's other clients. Likewise, Olive's clients each would have an incentive to reveal the truth to at most one or two close friends; the deception does them no good if the truth comes out. So a handful of people know the truth, but have no incentive to spread it widely, but the whole school hears the false rumors. Also, it's in the nature of gossip and rumor to produce multiple variations on any given tale, so there were probably multiple wild versions of each story about Olive flying around. Anyone who heard the true version might not necessarily believe it. Consider that Anson hears enough of the truth to know to offer Olive a gift card, but thinks that she'll really have sex with him.him.
* The "I feel bad about telling you the truth" bit. I just don't get that at all. I could see how she felt bad for being the one to bring him the bad news, but I seriously don't get why Olive feels bad about telling Mr Griffith about his wife, period.
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**Well, it was her first date with the guy and he was supposedly from college. One night stand with some college dude would warp pretty quickly, especially since it's implied Olive hasn't been in a relationship before.

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** Either the writer/s were out of touch with that part of teenage life, or they were taking artistic license to make the story work.



** This Troper got the impression Rhiannon was living vicarious through Olive much like most viewers do. Getting it on with a College boy is cool for her, becoming the school slut was going to far, after all Rhiannon isn't a slut! - NekoLLX

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** This Troper got the impression Rhiannon was living vicarious through Olive much like most viewers do. Getting it on with a College boy is cool for her, becoming the school slut was going to far, after all Rhiannon isn't a slut! - NekoLLX
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** Depends on whose vantage point you're looking at. Olive lied to her, and then wouldn't seriously tell her the truth. Then she started spreading news around about sleeping with other people, and hanging out with different crowds without telling her. Rhiannon went to far, but Olive was a pretty bad friend herself. No one is spotless.




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*** Occasionally PE has different rules about sportswear.




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**** Yes, they never say that he's older, just tall. If he was, that would have made the HuckleberryFinn reference ''very'' [[UnfortunateImplications unfortunate]].












** "Twat" is a swearword in America. It's a vulgar word for a vagina there. What words are considered swearwords change by region. Detention is an acceptable punishment--but threatening to expel her for more then two violations at a ''public'' school is ridiculous. The fact that Olive doesn't comment on it probably is an age thing with the writers.



** Considering how sappy and unrealistic the rest of the romance is, I'd say this was a refreshing bit of realism. He's not a bad guy because he doesn't involve himself in her affairs.



* What really bugs me about the movie is that Olive is beautiful and highly attractive and yet she is unpopular and never even remarked for her beauty, even going as far as no guys ever hitting on her. Normally in high school and college, guys would be all over that.

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** The frank truth is HollywoodHomely. Not only is Emma Stone gorgeous, she's also dressed for attention from the beginning--perfect make-up, perfect hair, and fashionable clothes. The closest movies come to making their main character in a teen comedy unattractive is like Cady from MeanGirls--still sleek and shiny hair, but in a ponytail. Baggy clothes. Less accentuated make-up. It still doesn't change the fact that Olive is very pretty, and in most situations would even be dressed confidently enough to attract attention, but didn't because of the plot.
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*** I read it as almost sarcastic. After they stop talking, Olive finds out that Rhiannon has been lying (or omitting the truth) to her about kissing Todd, probably more. Olive apologizes to her for lying, and Rhiannon looked pretty guilty. Maybe Olive was really just subtly rubbing Rhiannon's lies that she never apologized for/admitted, and her refusal TO admit or apologize for them, into *her* face?
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*** I think the important part here is that she herself feels she is unattractive, or unllikable. Surely everyone here went to school with one or two people who were stunning, charming, nice people, who were convinced they were the dregs of the barrel. You don't need to be a gargoyle to think you're unattractive.
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** Definitely. I think perhaps she's a woman worried she's only attractive to her husband now that she's getting older and the fact that Micah (and whomever else) found her attractive was too hard to resist.

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** Definitely. I think perhaps she's a woman worried she's only attractive to her husband now that she's getting older and the fact that Micah (and whomever else) found her attractive was too hard to resist. \n On a related note, the fact that Mrs Griffith so called accused Oliver of anything was shallow and pathetic. i hated her in that moment
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**** Or just Fridge Brilliance when you realize she confronted the guy that gave her the 20% off coupon while he was working in an orange grove. It could be that he tried making up for the lousy payment with some oranges from work?
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** This American troper didn't get why it was thought of as so bad either. Probably because they didn't want the rating that comes with [[GoshDangItToHeck using a certain synonym for "twat"]] that certainly ''would'' get you sent to the principal's office ...

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** This American troper didn't get why it was thought of as so bad either. Probably because they didn't want the rating that comes with [[GoshDangItToHeck [[CountryMatters using a certain synonym for "twat"]] that certainly ''would'' get you sent to the principal's office ...
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** This is a case of HollywoodHomely. We (the viewers) think she's attractive, but the other characters might not.
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**** I didn't get the impression he was older - just "big".
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** Definitely. I think perhaps she's a woman worried she's only attractive to her husband now that she's getting older and the fact that Micah (and whomever else) found her attractive was too hard to resist.
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** What I didn't understand is that Olive got in trouble for calling Nina a twat...only because Nina called her a tramp first. Why didn't Nina get punished?

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* What really bugs me about the movie is that Olive is beautiful and highly attractive and yet she is unpopular and never even remarked for her beauty, even going as far as no guys ever hitting on her. Normally in high school and college, guys would be all over that.

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*** An allusion to ''{{The Godfather}}'', perhaps?
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** Don't forget that the story is being told from Olive's perspective, and gossip seems more prevalent when it's about you. Probably, the initial wave of rumor and innuendo would have died down in a little while had Olive not begun feeding more grist into the rumor mill.




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*** That's the idea, but not the reality, especially since different religions and sects use slightly different original texts. Apparently, Exodus 20:14 is "You shall not commit adultery" in many versions.



*** True, except Marianne at one point says that Micah "goes to our church." The "our" in that sentence implicitly refers to her family, suggesting that she and her parents are of the same denomination. I'm not saying its impossible for them to be of different religions, but it's not likely.



* How is it that the fact that Olive fakes sex with people for gift cards gets spread around enough to attract a decent amount of "customers", but not enough to contradict the rumor that she's a slut?

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* How is it that the fact that Olive fakes sex with people for gift cards gets spread around enough to attract a decent amount of "customers", but not enough to contradict the rumor that she's a slut?slut?
** Simple: dozens of people were present at Melody Bostick's party to hear Olive and Brandon pretend to have sex, but Brandon told only one person, Evan, what really happened; it's possible that Brandon told a couple of Olive's other clients. Likewise, Olive's clients each would have an incentive to reveal the truth to at most one or two close friends; the deception does them no good if the truth comes out. So a handful of people know the truth, but have no incentive to spread it widely, but the whole school hears the false rumors. Also, it's in the nature of gossip and rumor to produce multiple variations on any given tale, so there were probably multiple wild versions of each story about Olive flying around. Anyone who heard the true version might not necessarily believe it. Consider that Anson hears enough of the truth to know to offer Olive a gift card, but thinks that she'll really have sex with him.
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**** Amen to that.

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**** Amen to that.that.
* How is it that the fact that Olive fakes sex with people for gift cards gets spread around enough to attract a decent amount of "customers", but not enough to contradict the rumor that she's a slut?
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***This Troper concurs with the Troper above and would like to add that high school guys usually don't go for girls like Olive. Be it culture making a self fulfilling prophecy, or the guys being immature (please to be not taking offense, high school guys who might read this), there is a certain type of girl in high school who is considered datable. That girl is not intellectual, nor does she desire anything deeper in life than a hot guy and lots of "friends." If you don't fit the mold, no matter how pretty or charismatic you are, you will not be popular or a man-magnet.
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***Olive was lying. Rhiannon could have noticed this, and assumed she was getting the truth when Olive changed her story and "confessed." And let's face it. Olive did make it sound like a "one weekend stand" when she started talking about "all that love, and knowing it's mine" followed with "no, it was just one of those weekends." Not saying that this is what happened, but it it could have been. Also, Rhiannon might have been resentful toward Olive because she started acting like someone she didn't use to, and instead of a better or more mature response, she became angry with her.

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