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****She's a slave owner. Stop trying to find humanity in someone not reciprocating the same notion.


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****She's fully active in the system. There's no passivity there.
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****She was going to castrate him or send him to the mines. She's just as cruel or merciless as her brother wrapped in a different box.

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** Are we ''really'' questioning why the ex-slave who has met a grand total of two white people who have treated him with basic humanity while all the others have variously enslaved, degraded, abused, humiliated, neglected and / or attempted to castrate and/or kill and his loved ones might have a generally low opinion of white people? And why he might subsequently have few moral qualms with shooting the white people who have, in the events we see depicted, been largely responsible for (or at least passively complicit in) aforementioned enslavement, degradation, abuse, humiliation, neglect and / or attempts at castration or murder?

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** Are we ''really'' questioning why the ex-slave who has met a grand total of two white people who have treated him with basic humanity while all the others have variously enslaved, degraded, abused, humiliated, neglected and / or attempted to castrate and/or kill him and his loved ones might have a generally low opinion of white people? And why he might subsequently have few moral qualms with shooting the white people who have, in the events we see depicted, been largely responsible for (or at least passively complicit in) aforementioned enslavement, degradation, abuse, humiliation, neglect and / or attempts at castration or murder?murder?
*** You, fellow troper, underestimate the amount of dissociation of those who wish to distance themselves from racism without truly rebuking and disavowing its evils or their part in them via complacency with the system as it stands.
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*** We have evidence that he made it all the way to [[Film/AMillionWaysToDieInTheWest Old Stump, Arizona]].
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** 'Still crooked' is irrelevant. Schultz isn't on a morality crusade to bring evildoers to justice, he's hunting wanted criminals for money. Schultz knows the sheriff is a wanted man because a judge issued a bounty that said he was wanted. And while a bit of HollywoodLaw is involved, in those days any criminal that had a 'Wanted Dead or Alive' bounty on their heads had generally committed capital crimes, their guilt was beyond doubt, and they were almost certainly going to be hung if they happened to be brought in alive. The government didn't put a bounty on everybody that committed a crime, they were generally reserved for repeat and violent criminals that the normal Sheriff/Marshal simply couldn't deal with effectively. If the bounty was still valid (and it was), then the statute of limitations hadn't run out, and the crooked sheriff was going to hang if Schultz brought him back.

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** 'Still crooked' is irrelevant. Schultz isn't on a morality crusade to bring evildoers to justice, he's hunting wanted criminals for money. Schultz knows the sheriff is a wanted man because a judge issued a bounty that said he was wanted. And while a bit of HollywoodLaw is involved, in those days any criminal that had a 'Wanted Dead or Alive' bounty on their heads had generally committed capital crimes, their guilt was beyond doubt, and they were almost certainly going to be hung if they happened to be brought in alive. The government didn't put a bounty on everybody that committed a crime, they were generally reserved for repeat and violent criminals that the normal Sheriff/Marshal simply couldn't deal with effectively. If the bounty was still valid (and it was), then the statute of limitations hadn't run out, and the crooked sheriff was going to hang if Schultz brought him back.back.
** Remember also that we join Schultz ''in media res'' with regards to his bounty hunting -- we have no knowledge of what, if any, knowledge Schultz himself has of the sheriff's current activities. He had to have found the man's trail somehow; it's just as plausible as anything else that it was thanks to any illegal activities he might have been involved in.
** And even if Schultz had no way of knowing whether the sheriff was still technically crooked or not, let's face it -- it's not a totally unreasonable guess to make when it turns out a criminal you're hunting with a bounty on his head turns out to be a local lawman.
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** Schultz (in pursuit of the Brittle brothers) gains access to Spencer "Big Daddy" Bennet's Tennessee plantation on the pretext of purchasing one of Bennet's "beautiful nigger gals". But the mere fact that Schultz is accompanied by a Black man (Django) that he insists be treated with respect infuriates "Big Daddy" to the point that he initially tells Schultz to go fuck himself. It's only after Schultz starts throwing around large sums of money figures that Bennet changes his tune and starts acting cordial. Schultz might have figured (unfairly or not) that if one plantation owner in Tennessee is going to behave this way, the next one he encounters in Mississippi (arguably the most racist states of all) will act the same, if not worse.
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* Did anyone maybe get the feeling of a bit of racism in some of Django's actions? I mean, he kills Laura, who had basically done NOTHING to him, and oftentimes gunned down helpless opponents who were no threat to him(namely "Moonlight", one of Candie's thugs). Was that just a thing with the Spaghetti Westerns that this movie pays homage to or is it me?

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* Did anyone maybe get the feeling of a bit of racism in some of Django's actions? I mean, he kills Laura, Lara, who had basically done NOTHING to him, and oftentimes gunned down helpless opponents who were no threat to him(namely "Moonlight", one of Candie's thugs). Was that just a thing with the Spaghetti Westerns that this movie pays homage to or is it me?
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*** It was clear at that point that emotion had purely overruled logic. You could see he was pissed that he'd just lost 12,000 bucks (she was worth 300, and if their diversion plan had worked then that's all Schultz would have paid). He was snapping at Lara for playing the music, and his mind kept flashing back to the dogs ripping D'Artagnan apart. He was already in a sorry state when Candie forced him to shake hands. At that point he just snapped. It was a "hot-blooded" murder, and he was willing to trade his life for it, so that's why he didn't bother fighting back.

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*** It was clear at that point that emotion had purely overruled logic. You could see he was pissed that he'd just lost 12,000 bucks (she was worth 300, and if their diversion plan had worked then that's all Schultz would have paid). He was snapping snaps at Lara the harpist for playing the music, and his mind kept keeps flashing back to the dogs ripping D'Artagnan apart. He was already in a sorry state when Candie forced him to shake hands. At that point he just snapped. It was a "hot-blooded" murder, and he was willing to trade his life for it, so that's why he didn't bother fighting back.
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*** Personally, while I dig Tarantino's explanation and it does make things more interesting (the ever-so cool Schultz was done in by his own hubris and by being a sore loser, Candie for all his evil was honorable enough- or at least apathetic enough- to be willing to make good on his business deal), my interpretation was that Schultz was a bit unhinged after the corruption and evil he witnessed at Candieland. Hence, the flashbacks he had of the slave being ripped apart by dogs. The revulsion at that atrocity and his own complicitness in it (interestingly, Django seems to have no guilt from it at all, so focused he was on saving his wife) caused Schultz to want to kill Candie regardless of the cost. Even when it would lead to the situation becoming even worse. It's Tarantino, after all- you can't have a happy ending without bloodstained pathos.

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*** Personally, while I dig Tarantino's explanation and it does make things more interesting (the ever-so cool Schultz was done in by his own hubris and by being a sore loser, Candie for all his evil was honorable enough- or at least apathetic enough- to be willing to make good on his business deal), my interpretation was that Schultz was a bit unhinged after the corruption and evil he witnessed at Candieland.Candyland. Hence, the flashbacks he had of the slave being ripped apart by dogs. The revulsion at that atrocity and his own complicitness in it (interestingly, Django seems to have no guilt from it at all, so focused he was on saving his wife) caused Schultz to want to kill Candie regardless of the cost. Even when it would lead to the situation becoming even worse. It's Tarantino, after all- you can't have a happy ending without bloodstained pathos.
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**** It's definitely an over-under, with two barrels. You can see it clearly (but just for a moment) when he shoots the sheriff. The Internet Movie Firearms Database say it (or they) are anachronistic Cobra "Big Bore" Derringer(s), which weren't produced until the 1860s.
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*** ALL of Schultz's plans are far more complex and dangerous than necessary. He's a drama queen and a control freak who loves an audience. The SMART way to kill the Sherriff would have been to wait for any number of times they would have been alone, kill him and then immediately inform the Marshal. Instead Schultz causes a ruckus and kills the Sherriff in front of almost literally the entire town, before waiting for the Marshal to show up with dozens of men pointing rifles at him to finally tell him the story. A single man with an itchy trigger finger would have ended him. Likewise with the Brittles, instead of doing any number of things Schultz openly rides onto the plantation with Django in almost literally the most public way possible. Schultz is simply incapable of taking the simple, effective method. This is hinted at when he tells Django the legend of Broomhilda, Schultz is painting himself as a hero on a heroic quest to save a fair damsel. He needs to trick the Evildoer into handing her over in an elaborate scheme like any number of heroic legends. Casually walking in, buying her for a few hundred dollars and leaving, isn't heroic OR dramatic enough for Schultz.
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** The bounty said "dead or alive." Schultz doesn't care whether he felt guilty or not -- he's a bounty hunter, and there was a bounty on him.

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** The bounty said "dead or alive." Schultz doesn't care whether he felt guilty or not -- he's a bounty hunter, and there was a bounty on him.him.
** 'Still crooked' is irrelevant. Schultz isn't on a morality crusade to bring evildoers to justice, he's hunting wanted criminals for money. Schultz knows the sheriff is a wanted man because a judge issued a bounty that said he was wanted. And while a bit of HollywoodLaw is involved, in those days any criminal that had a 'Wanted Dead or Alive' bounty on their heads had generally committed capital crimes, their guilt was beyond doubt, and they were almost certainly going to be hung if they happened to be brought in alive. The government didn't put a bounty on everybody that committed a crime, they were generally reserved for repeat and violent criminals that the normal Sheriff/Marshal simply couldn't deal with effectively. If the bounty was still valid (and it was), then the statute of limitations hadn't run out, and the crooked sheriff was going to hang if Schultz brought him back.
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*** This makes sense, since Candie's claim that the bill of sale wasn't legally binding unless there was a handshake is patently ridiculous. You could argue as much as you wanted in a court of law, but if the contract's properly signed and notarized(which it was), there's no way it's not legally binding unless one of the conditions of the contract was broken. Candie was also probably trying to take advantage of Schultz being a foreigner, counting on him not knowing the laws of the land. But since Schultz, as a bounty hunter, was an agent of the law, he would obviously be familiar with how contracts work under the United States system of law, so he obviously knew Candie was full of it.

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*** This makes sense, since Candie's claim that the bill of sale wasn't legally binding unless there was a handshake is patently ridiculous. You could argue as much as you wanted in a court of law, but if the contract's properly signed and notarized(which it was), there's no way it's not legally binding unless one of the conditions of the contract was broken. Candie was also probably trying to take advantage of Schultz being a foreigner, counting on him not knowing the laws of the land. But since Schultz, as a bounty hunter, was an agent of the law, he would obviously be familiar with how contracts work under the United States system of law, so he obviously knew Candie was full of it.shit.



** Absolutely. Django is a former slave. The only white people he probably came into contact with before the film were overseers and slavers. Schultz is almost definitely the first white guy that has ever treated him like a human being rather than a chattel. I'd be pretty prejudiced if that was the case

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** Absolutely. Django is a former slave. The only white people he probably came into contact with before the film were overseers and slavers. Schultz is almost definitely the first white guy that has ever treated him like a human being rather than a chattel. I'd be pretty fucking prejudiced if that was the casecase.



*** If that's the case, why didn't Django plug the Kitchen Slave lady(the one who was shown to be second to Stephen as far as house slaves went) and Candie's sex slave as well? As I pointed out before, Lara came off as rather detached from the overall brutality that her brother and Stephen were doing, and thus it just felt rather cruel that Django went and gunned her down for no real reason other than "she's the sister of Calvin."

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*** If that's the case, why didn't Django plug the Kitchen Slave lady(the lady (the one who was shown to be second to Stephen as far as house slaves went) and Candie's sex fuck-toy slave as well? As I pointed out before, Lara came off as rather detached from the overall brutality that her brother and Stephen were doing, and thus it just felt rather cruel that Django went and gunned her down for no real reason other than "she's the sister of Calvin."
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*** This makes sense, since Candie's claim that the bill of sale wasn't legally binding unless there was a handshake is patently ridiculous. You could argue as much as you wanted in a court of law, but if the contract's properly signed and notarized(which it was), there's no way it's not legally binding unless one of the conditions of the contract was broken. Candie was also probably trying to take advantage of Schultz being a foreigner, counting on him not knowing the laws of the land. But since Schultz, as a bounty hunter, was an agent of the law, he would obviously be familiar with how contracts work under the United States system of law, so he obviously knew Candie was full of shit.

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*** This makes sense, since Candie's claim that the bill of sale wasn't legally binding unless there was a handshake is patently ridiculous. You could argue as much as you wanted in a court of law, but if the contract's properly signed and notarized(which it was), there's no way it's not legally binding unless one of the conditions of the contract was broken. Candie was also probably trying to take advantage of Schultz being a foreigner, counting on him not knowing the laws of the land. But since Schultz, as a bounty hunter, was an agent of the law, he would obviously be familiar with how contracts work under the United States system of law, so he obviously knew Candie was full of shit.it.



** Absolutely. Django is a former slave. The only white people he probably came into contact with before the film were overseers and slavers. Schultz is almost definitely the first white guy that has ever treated him like a human being rather than a chattel. I'd be pretty fucking prejudiced if that was the case

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** Absolutely. Django is a former slave. The only white people he probably came into contact with before the film were overseers and slavers. Schultz is almost definitely the first white guy that has ever treated him like a human being rather than a chattel. I'd be pretty fucking prejudiced if that was the case



*** If that's the case, why didn't Django plug the Kitchen Slave lady(the one who was shown to be second to Stephen as far as house slaves went) and Candie's fuck-toy slave as well? As I pointed out before, Lara came off as rather detached from the overall brutality that her brother and Stephen were doing, and thus it just felt rather cruel that Django went and gunned her down for no real reason other than "she's the sister of Calvin."

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*** If that's the case, why didn't Django plug the Kitchen Slave lady(the one who was shown to be second to Stephen as far as house slaves went) and Candie's fuck-toy sex slave as well? As I pointed out before, Lara came off as rather detached from the overall brutality that her brother and Stephen were doing, and thus it just felt rather cruel that Django went and gunned her down for no real reason other than "she's the sister of Calvin."



*** It could be argued that Laura was, at least partly, responsible for Django and Shultz's plan falling apart. She commented on Hildy's attraction to Django ("Hildy seems to have big eyes for Django.") which drew Stephen's attention and led to Shultz getting killed. If Laura had have made that comment, it is entirely possible, maybe even likely, that Shultz, Django and Hildy could have ridden off without hassle or bloodshed.

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*** It could be argued that Laura was, at least partly, responsible for Django and Shultz's plan falling apart. She commented on Hildy's attraction to Django ("Hildy seems to have big eyes for Django.") which drew Stephen's attention and led to Shultz getting killed. If Laura had hadn’t have made that comment, it is entirely possible, maybe even likely, that Shultz, Django and Hildy could have ridden off without hassle or bloodshed.



*** What evidence do you have she detaches herself from the issues of slavery? That one line where she says she doesn't want to look at Hildy's wipped back? I'm sorry but that just tells me she's not a complete and utter sadist and is easily counteracted by the fact just scenes before hand she was gussying Hildy up to be raped by Dr. Schultz. We have no reason to believe that she isn't just as racist as everyone else who works at and runs Candieland or that she is ignorant of what Le-Quint Dickey is like.

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*** What evidence do you have she detaches herself from the issues of slavery? That one line where she says she doesn't want to look at Hildy's wipped whipped back? I'm sorry but that just tells me she's not a complete and utter sadist and is easily counteracted by the fact just scenes before hand she was gussying Hildy up to be raped by Dr. Schultz. We have no reason to believe that she isn't just as racist as everyone else who works at and runs Candieland or that she is ignorant of what Le-Quint Dickey is like.
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** Are we ''really'' questioning why the ex-slave who has met a grand total of two white people who have treated him with basic humanity while all the others have variously enslaved, degraded, abused, humiliated, neglected and / or attempted to castrate and/or kill and his loved ones might have a generally low opinion of white people? And why he might subsequently have few moral qualms with shooting the white people who have, in the events we see depicted, been largely responsible for aforementioned enslavement, degradation, abuse, humiliation, neglect and / or attempts at castration or murder?

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** Are we ''really'' questioning why the ex-slave who has met a grand total of two white people who have treated him with basic humanity while all the others have variously enslaved, degraded, abused, humiliated, neglected and / or attempted to castrate and/or kill and his loved ones might have a generally low opinion of white people? And why he might subsequently have few moral qualms with shooting the white people who have, in the events we see depicted, been largely responsible for (or at least passively complicit in) aforementioned enslavement, degradation, abuse, humiliation, neglect and / or attempts at castration or murder?
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** Are we ''really'' questioning why the ex-slave who has met a grand total of two white people who have treated him with basic humanity while all the others have variously enslaved, degraded, abused, humiliated, neglected and / or attempted to castrate and/or kill and his loved ones might have a generally low opinion of white people? And why he might subsequently have few moral qualms with shooting the white people who have, in the events we see depicted, been largely responsible for aforementioned enslavement, degradation, abuse, humiliation, neglect and / or attempts at castration or murder?
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** Also, people... Rule Of Escapism. This isn't ''Film/12YearsASlave'' we're dealing with here, this is a wish-fulfilment fantasy operating on RuleOfCool. You're not supposed to be asking hard-hitting questions about the gritty realities of the difficulties of escaping white supremacist law-enforcement in the antebellum South, you're meant to cheer as an ex-slave literally blows up a slave plantation after killing all the bad guys in it, and if you do then frankly, in as much as you can watch a movie wrong you're watching this movie wrong. You might as well ask piercing questions about the geopolitical implications of Arnold Schwartenegger's rampage in ''Film/{{Commando}}''; fair enough if you want to, but you're missing the whole point if you do.

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** Also, people... Rule Of Escapism. This isn't ''Film/12YearsASlave'' ''Film/TwelveYearsASlave'' we're dealing with here, this is a wish-fulfilment fantasy operating on RuleOfCool. You're not supposed to be asking hard-hitting questions about the gritty realities of the difficulties of escaping white supremacist law-enforcement in the antebellum South, you're meant to cheer as an ex-slave literally blows up a slave plantation after killing all the bad guys in it, and if you do then frankly, in as much as you can watch a movie wrong you're watching this movie wrong. You might as well ask piercing questions about the geopolitical implications of Arnold Schwartenegger's rampage in ''Film/{{Commando}}''; fair enough if you want to, but you're missing the whole point if you do.
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** Also, people... Rule Of Escapism. This isn't ''12 Years A Slave'' we're dealing with here, this is a wish-fulfilment fantasy operating on RuleOfCool. You're not supposed to be asking hard-hitting questions about the difficulties of escaping white supremacist law-enforcement in the antebellum South, you're meant to cheer as an ex-slave literally blows up a slave plantation after killing all the bad guys in it, and if you do then frankly, in as much as you can watch a movie wrong you're watching this movie wrong. You might as well ask piercing questions about the geopolitical implications of Arnold Schwartenegger's rampage in ''Film/{{Commando}}''; fair enough if you want to, but you're missing the whole point if you do.

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** Also, people... Rule Of Escapism. This isn't ''12 Years A Slave'' ''Film/12YearsASlave'' we're dealing with here, this is a wish-fulfilment fantasy operating on RuleOfCool. You're not supposed to be asking hard-hitting questions about the gritty realities of the difficulties of escaping white supremacist law-enforcement in the antebellum South, you're meant to cheer as an ex-slave literally blows up a slave plantation after killing all the bad guys in it, and if you do then frankly, in as much as you can watch a movie wrong you're watching this movie wrong. You might as well ask piercing questions about the geopolitical implications of Arnold Schwartenegger's rampage in ''Film/{{Commando}}''; fair enough if you want to, but you're missing the whole point if you do.

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* Candie land is at least half a days ride from town, is completely without leadership and probably very short on manpower when Django and Hildy leave it. I think it might take days before the authorities even know who they're looking for.

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* ** Candie land is at least half a days ride from town, is completely without leadership and probably very short on manpower when Django and Hildy leave it. I think it might take days before the authorities even know who they're looking for.
** Also, people... Rule Of Escapism. This isn't ''12 Years A Slave'' we're dealing with here, this is a wish-fulfilment fantasy operating on RuleOfCool. You're not supposed to be asking hard-hitting questions about the difficulties of escaping white supremacist law-enforcement in the antebellum South, you're meant to cheer as an ex-slave literally blows up a slave plantation after killing all the bad guys in it, and if you do then frankly, in as much as you can watch a movie wrong you're watching this movie wrong. You might as well ask piercing questions about the geopolitical implications of Arnold Schwartenegger's rampage in ''Film/{{Commando}}''; fair enough if you want to, but you're missing the whole point if you do.
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** What makes you think he's not in a position to resist? From that distance you couldn't tell if he was wearing a gun or not. Even if not, in that era (in movies at least) if you see two men riding into your property, the first thing you do is fetch your gun. And even if they do subdue him, can you guarantee he won't be able to escape, or turn the tables on you? Django escaped from experienced slave owners, killing them all in the process, and did so in a matter of minutes. Dead men can't kill you and can't escape from you, so given that you get the same money if they're dead as you do if they're alive, why take any risk at all?
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* How does Schultz know the sheriff is still crooked? People can feel guilty about their crimes and give up their evil ways. Why not take him in alive instead of gunning him down?

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* How does Schultz know the sheriff is still crooked? People can feel guilty about their crimes and give up their evil ways. Why not take him in alive instead of gunning him down?down?
** The bounty said "dead or alive." Schultz doesn't care whether he felt guilty or not -- he's a bounty hunter, and there was a bounty on him.
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* How does Schultz know the sheriff is still crooked? People can feel guilty for their crimes and give up their evil ways. Why not take him in alive instead of immediately gunning him down?

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* How does Schultz know the sheriff is still crooked? People can feel guilty for about their crimes and give up their evil ways. Why not take him in alive instead of immediately gunning him down?

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