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** The blast from the missiles probably would have taken out a lot of the debris around the comet, but you would need to time the explosions of multiple missiles so that most of them don't get consumed in the fireball of the first one that goes off. But that aside, as a rule energy takes the path of least resistance, which in this case means that the bulk of the energy from the explosions would radiate off into space, not into the rocky comet.
*** But heat can't radiate in space, as there's not enough matter in the void to conduct it.
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*** But heat can't radiate in space, as there's not enough matter in the void to conduct it.
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*** Or just acknowledge that you're not the sole arbiter of what every character ever should be doing because you find it "logical"?
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* Leo and Sarah's behavior near the end doesn't make any sense to me. Sarah is offered a place in the shelters with Leo, but that would require leaving her other family behind, so she chooses to stay and face almost certain death, over her parents' insistence. As Leo is being driven off in the bus, she chases after it, crying. Then Leo changes his mind and decides to go back and find her for some reason. He only finds her in that huge traffic jam because ''she'' saw ''him'' and yelled to get his attention. Leo again offers to take her on the motorbike along with the baby, and she ''again'' refuses, saying she wants to be with her parents. Her parents finally get her to take the baby and run, and she cries the whole way. The point is, what did she want? What did Leo want? What were they trying to accomplish? Why were they changing their minds every 30 seconds?
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* Leo and Sarah's behavior near the end doesn't make any sense to me. Sarah is offered a place in the shelters with Leo, but that would require leaving her other family behind, so she chooses to stay and face almost certain death, over her parents' insistence. As Leo is being driven off in the bus, she chases after it, crying. Then Leo changes his mind and decides to go back and find her for some reason. He only finds her in that huge traffic jam because ''she'' saw ''him'' and yelled to get his attention. Leo again offers to take her on the motorbike along with the baby, and she ''again'' refuses, saying she wants to be with her parents. Her parents finally get her to take the baby and run, and she cries the whole way. The point is, what did she want? What did Leo want? What were they trying to accomplish? Why were they changing their minds every 30 seconds?seconds?
** I agree it's a muddled, stupid plotline, but: Leo thought Sarah and her family could come with him, and was too unsure, confused, and rushed to get off the bus and stay with her when they couldn't. He also thought he could talk to an official once he got to the caves and get everything worked out. Once he did get there, he saw how chaotic and busy it was and realized he had no chance of making special arrangements, so he went back for her - a stupid idea, since he had no resources to help them, or even any means of finding them. Doing so on the highway was dumb luck. Sarah finally gave in to leaving her family since she might save her sister (and herself), and it was clear they would not make it to high ground through the traffic all together. In short: A) Leo wanted to try to save Sarah, even with absurdly low chance of success and high risk. B) Sarah wanted to try to survive with her family until she ran out of options. C) They changed their minds a lot because they're dumb kids and the situation was nuts.
** I agree it's a muddled, stupid plotline, but: Leo thought Sarah and her family could come with him, and was too unsure, confused, and rushed to get off the bus and stay with her when they couldn't. He also thought he could talk to an official once he got to the caves and get everything worked out. Once he did get there, he saw how chaotic and busy it was and realized he had no chance of making special arrangements, so he went back for her - a stupid idea, since he had no resources to help them, or even any means of finding them. Doing so on the highway was dumb luck. Sarah finally gave in to leaving her family since she might save her sister (and herself), and it was clear they would not make it to high ground through the traffic all together. In short: A) Leo wanted to try to save Sarah, even with absurdly low chance of success and high risk. B) Sarah wanted to try to survive with her family until she ran out of options. C) They changed their minds a lot because they're dumb kids and the situation was nuts.
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**** Yes, god forbid we question the reasoning and actions of a character in a dramatic movie we're watching! That's not the point at all! Just sit back and turn off your brain, dammit!
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*** But heat can't radiate in space, as there's not enough matter in the void to conduct it.
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** If your family is safely tucked away in the shelter, do you have quite as much motivation to stop the thing? If you fail to stop it, is it likely they will offer protection to your family? These might seem fairly shallow and callous way to look at it, but AFAIR politicians were making the decisions, and any surviving ones in the shelters would know that humans under stress are hardly the most forgiving or understanding.
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*** What makes you think it's supposed to "excuse his speeding down the road and the fiery crash he ended up in"? It doesn't matter whether he's excused or not. The point is that it's HIS choice. He's not you. If he'd rather hurry to get this news out as soon as possible, that's his business, not yours.
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*** What makes you think it's supposed to "excuse his speeding down the road and the fiery crash he ended up in"? It doesn't matter whether he's excused or not. The point is that it's HIS choice. It's HIS character. He's not you. If he'd rather hurry to get this news out as soon as possible, possible (whether from excitement or panic) that's his HIS business, not yours.
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*** What makes you think it's supposed to "excuse his speeding down the road and the fiery crash he ended up in"? It doesn't matter whether he's excused or not. The point is that it's HIS choice. He's not you. If he'd rather hurry to get this news out as soon as possible, that's his business, not yours.
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*** It could be that the final trajectory was slightly affected by the missiles. Rather than impacting on land, Biederman was pushed off to the Atlantic.
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* Leo and Sarah's behavior near the end doesn't make any sense to me. Sarah is offered a place in the shelters with Leo, but that would require leaving her other family behind, so she chooses to stay and face almost certain death, over her parents' insistence. As Leo is being driven off in the bus, she chases after it, crying. Then Leo changes his mind and decides to go back and find her for some reason. He only finds her in that huge traffic jam because ''she'' saw ''him'' and honked the car's horn. Leo again offers to take her on the motorbike along with the baby, and she ''again'' refuses, saying she wants to be with her parents. Her parents finally get her to take the baby and run, and she cries the whole way. The point is, what did she want? What did Leo want? What were they trying to accomplish? Why were they changing their minds every 30 seconds?
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* Leo and Sarah's behavior near the end doesn't make any sense to me. Sarah is offered a place in the shelters with Leo, but that would require leaving her other family behind, so she chooses to stay and face almost certain death, over her parents' insistence. As Leo is being driven off in the bus, she chases after it, crying. Then Leo changes his mind and decides to go back and find her for some reason. He only finds her in that huge traffic jam because ''she'' saw ''him'' and honked the car's horn.yelled to get his attention. Leo again offers to take her on the motorbike along with the baby, and she ''again'' refuses, saying she wants to be with her parents. Her parents finally get her to take the baby and run, and she cries the whole way. The point is, what did she want? What did Leo want? What were they trying to accomplish? Why were they changing their minds every 30 seconds?
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** The blast from the missiles probably would have taken out a lot of the debris around the comet, but you would need to time the explosions of multiple missiles so that most of them don't get consumed in the fireball of the first one that goes off. But that aside, as a rule energy takes the path of least resistance, which in this case means that the bulk of the energy from the explosions would radiate off into space, not into the rocky comet.
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** The blast from the missiles probably would have taken out a lot of the debris around the comet, but you would need to time the explosions of multiple missiles so that most of them don't get consumed in the fireball of the first one that goes off. But that aside, as a rule energy takes the path of least resistance, which in this case means that the bulk of the energy from the explosions would radiate off into space, not into the rocky comet.comet.
* Leo and Sarah's behavior near the end doesn't make any sense to me. Sarah is offered a place in the shelters with Leo, but that would require leaving her other family behind, so she chooses to stay and face almost certain death, over her parents' insistence. As Leo is being driven off in the bus, she chases after it, crying. Then Leo changes his mind and decides to go back and find her for some reason. He only finds her in that huge traffic jam because ''she'' saw ''him'' and honked the car's horn. Leo again offers to take her on the motorbike along with the baby, and she ''again'' refuses, saying she wants to be with her parents. Her parents finally get her to take the baby and run, and she cries the whole way. The point is, what did she want? What did Leo want? What were they trying to accomplish? Why were they changing their minds every 30 seconds?
* Leo and Sarah's behavior near the end doesn't make any sense to me. Sarah is offered a place in the shelters with Leo, but that would require leaving her other family behind, so she chooses to stay and face almost certain death, over her parents' insistence. As Leo is being driven off in the bus, she chases after it, crying. Then Leo changes his mind and decides to go back and find her for some reason. He only finds her in that huge traffic jam because ''she'' saw ''him'' and honked the car's horn. Leo again offers to take her on the motorbike along with the baby, and she ''again'' refuses, saying she wants to be with her parents. Her parents finally get her to take the baby and run, and she cries the whole way. The point is, what did she want? What did Leo want? What were they trying to accomplish? Why were they changing their minds every 30 seconds?
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**** He tried to. His phone [[RuleOfDrama picked a convenient time to stop working.]]
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** The blast from the missiles probably would have taken out a lot of the debris around the comet, but you would need to time the explosions of multiple missiles so that most of them don't get consumed in the fireball of the first one that goes off. But that aside, as as a rule energy takes the path of least resistance, which in this case means that the bulk of the energy from the explosions would radiate off into space, not into the rocky comet.
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** The blast from the missiles probably would have taken out a lot of the debris around the comet, but you would need to time the explosions of multiple missiles so that most of them don't get consumed in the fireball of the first one that goes off. But that aside, as as rule energy takes the path of least resistance, which in this case means that the bulk of the energy from the explosions would radiate off into space, not into the rocky comet.
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* I'll admit its been a decade since I've seen this movie, but I seem to remember that Morgan Freeman's character saying that after sending astronauts to blow it up failed, they tried launching nuclear weapons at the asteroids, which then fail off-screen. And then later we see the asteroids in the same condition they were in before the supposed nuclear strike. Is the movie trying to tell me that all those weapons inflicted no damage whatsoever? They didn't even destroy the smaller one? Is this plausible?
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* When Leo gets to the house to ask Robin to marry him, her father is obviously already concerned about home security. The neighborhood is already heading downhill - the area is a mess, and he's chaining up his motorcycle plus affixing bars to the windows. Where is his daughter? ''Out on her own, unsupervised, far away from the house!'' Nice to see he has his priorities straight.
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* The tsunami rushing over the land behind Leo and Robin Sarah should have had a massive wavefront, black from the detritus of the ''entire East Coast''. Instead it's a neat, clean wave - even miles inland.
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** He'd just discovered something that would be ground-breaking in both senses of the word, and he was panicking.
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** He'd just discovered something that would be ground-breaking in both senses of the word, and he was panicking.
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*** He couldn't have called somebody, ''anybody''?
*** He couldn't have called somebody, ''anybody''?
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** He'd just discovered something that would be ground-breaking in both senses of the word, and he was panicking.
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** They didn't know how long his flash-blindness was going to last when they sent for her, and nobody wanted to tell her he'd been blinded and never saw his son.
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** What, people in California wouldn't be interested in the plight of the inhabitants on the East Coast? What about the rest of the world? There are tons of people to broadcast to! [[TokyoIsTheCenterOfTheWorld New York isn't the center of the world, y'know.]]
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*** What about sending a man on a suicide mission that will save the lives of his wife and unborn child?
*** Astronauts are trained to within an inch of their lives to meet dangerous situations while avoiding panic-just listen to the tapes of ''Apollo 13'' after the explosion. And the loss of one member ''is'' acceptable, but it's a bit much to expect them to not even ''consider'' rescuing a crewmate they had known and trained with for months if not years.
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** What, people in California wouldn't be interested in the plight of the inhabitants on the East Coast? What about the rest of the world? There are tons of people to broadcast to! [[TokyoIsTheCenterOfTheWorld New York isn't the center of the world, y'know.]]
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** When has a megatsunami ever been realistically portrayed? People expect a wave to look like your average surfing wave in Hawaii no matter how much debris it's accumulated. Same goes for its behavior-people just don't understand that ever cubic meter of water weighs more than a ton, and no human structure ever built could survive being swamped by one. If it had been portrayed "realistically", every building in New York would have been swept off its foundations (not just the skyscrapers between Front Street and the East River) and it would have been pushing the air in front of it out of the way at the same speed it was advancing, so people would have blown off their feet long before it got anywhere near them.
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** When has a megatsunami ever been realistically portrayed? People expect a wave to look like your average surfing wave in Hawaii no matter how much debris it's accumulated. Same goes for its behavior-people just don't understand that ever every cubic meter of water weighs more than a ton, and no human structure ever built could survive being swamped by one. If it had been portrayed "realistically", every building in New York would have been swept off its foundations (not just the skyscrapers between Front Street and the East River) and it would have been pushing the air in front of it out of the way at the same speed it was advancing, so people would have blown off their feet long before it got anywhere near them.
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** Well, it's not like there was anywhere to go. Most of them were probably planning to shelter in place until they found out that they would be sheltering under 2,000 feet of water. And they did have hours' worth of warning to evacuate the Eastern Seaboard...is that anywhere close to the time needed to evacuate 40-100 million people? Nope. But they should have known the final trajectory of Biederman for ''days'' before impact, so the real question is, why didn't evacuations begin long, long beforehand?
* Why are almost all of the families of the astronauts available to say their goodbyes? Wouldn't you think that having your husband or wife on a mission that has the potential to ''save the planet'' would mean a guarunteed spot in the underground bunker? With ''hours'' until impact, wouldn't they already be in there?
* Why are almost all of the families of the astronauts available to say their goodbyes? Wouldn't you think that having your husband or wife on a mission that has the potential to ''save the planet'' would mean a guarunteed spot in the underground bunker? With ''hours'' until impact, wouldn't they already be in there?
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** Well, it's not like there was anywhere to go. Most of them were probably planning to shelter in place until they found out that they would be sheltering under 2,000 feet of water. And they did have hours' worth of warning to evacuate the Eastern Seaboard... is that anywhere close to the time needed to evacuate 40-100 million people? Nope. But they should have known the final trajectory of Biederman for ''days'' before impact, so the real question is, why didn't evacuations begin long, long beforehand?
* Why are almost all of the families of the astronauts available to say their goodbyes? Wouldn't you think that having your husband or wife on a mission that has the potential to ''save the planet'' would mean aguarunteed guaranteed spot in the underground bunker? With ''hours'' until impact, wouldn't they already be in there?
* Why are almost all of the families of the astronauts available to say their goodbyes? Wouldn't you think that having your husband or wife on a mission that has the potential to ''save the planet'' would mean a
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** When has a megatsunami ever been realistically portrayed? People expect a wave to look like your average surfing wave in Hawaii no matter how much debris it's accumulated. Same goes for its behavior-people just don't understand that ever cubic meter of water weighs more than a ton, and no human structure ever built could survive being swamped by one. If it had been portrayed "realistically", every building in New York would have been swept off its foundations (not just the skyscrapers between Front Street and the East River) and it would have been pushing the air in front of it out of the way at the same speed it was advancing, so people would have blown off their feet long before it got anywhere near them.
*** But, of course, if the movie were 100% realistic, there wouldn't ''be'' a megatsunami, because they don't propagate across oceans the way regular tsunamis do-impact events and enormous landslides cause enormous ''local'' waves, but they're a different wave type than regular tsunamis, and their height rapidly diminishes the further you get from the source. One possible source of a megatsunami is the Cumbre Vieja volcano in the Canary Islands-it was the subject of press hysteria that predicted that it would generate a megatsunami 650 meters high that would travel across the Atlantic and devastate the Eastern Seaboard. In reality, the Canary Islands would be devastated by this high wave, but by the time the waves made their way to the US, they would be 1-3 meters high, if you're lucky. So, in the movie where Biederman hits off Cape Hattaras, North Carolina, South Carolina, Virginia, Delaware, and Maryland would bear the brunt of the devastation (with waves between 50-600 meters), the rest of the Eastern Seaboard would be affected by waves resembling the height of the Boxing Day tsunami (waves between 5-30 meters), and the rest of the Atlantic Ocean shoreline would get off virtually scot-free.
*** But, of course, if the movie were 100% realistic, there wouldn't ''be'' a megatsunami, because they don't propagate across oceans the way regular tsunamis do-impact events and enormous landslides cause enormous ''local'' waves, but they're a different wave type than regular tsunamis, and their height rapidly diminishes the further you get from the source. One possible source of a megatsunami is the Cumbre Vieja volcano in the Canary Islands-it was the subject of press hysteria that predicted that it would generate a megatsunami 650 meters high that would travel across the Atlantic and devastate the Eastern Seaboard. In reality, the Canary Islands would be devastated by this high wave, but by the time the waves made their way to the US, they would be 1-3 meters high, if you're lucky. So, in the movie where Biederman hits off Cape Hattaras, North Carolina, South Carolina, Virginia, Delaware, and Maryland would bear the brunt of the devastation (with waves between 50-600 meters), the rest of the Eastern Seaboard would be affected by waves resembling the height of the Boxing Day tsunami (waves between 5-30 meters), and the rest of the Atlantic Ocean shoreline would get off virtually scot-free.
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** Well, it's not like there was anywhere to go. Most of them were probably planning to shelter in place until they found out that they would be sheltering under 2,000 feet of water. And they did have hours' worth of warning to evacuate the Eastern Seaboard...is that anywhere close to the time needed to evacuate 40-100 million people? Nope. But they should have known the final trajectory of Biederman for ''days'' before impact, so the real question is, why didn't evacuations begin long, long beforehand?
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*** A valid point, but that still doesn't excuse his speeding down the road and the fiery crash he ended up in. Even one day's delay wouldn't have made much difference.
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** Two years is ''no'' time to prepare for an impact of that magnitude.
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