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** IMHO the biggest Idiot Ball moment of the series is related to this scene. When Card kills Grey, Grey is unarmed - Grey's gun is in his holster. After Card kills Grey, Card walks over to Grey's body, removes Grey's gun from the holster and puts Grey's gun in Grey's hand obviously to make it seem like Card killed Grey in self-defense. MICHAEL WATCHES CARD DO THIS! Card then holsters his own gun and is unarmed when he accidently goads Michael into killing him. Despite watching Card try to make Grey's killing look like self-defense, does Michael walk over to Card's body, remove Card's gun from the holster and place the gun in Card's hand to make Card's killing look like self-defense? NO! Michael decides to date, propose to, marry and impregnate the Idiot Ball instead! All Michael would have had to do was put Card's gun back in Card's hand AND put Grey's gun back into Grey's holster then say "Card murdered an unarmed Grey (easily proven since the bullet in Grey would match Card's gun) and turned the gun on me so I shot Card in self-defense." All of the problems Michael faced for murdering Card could have been avoided!
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** According to Website/TheOtherWiki when Fiona and Mike met each other Fi was robbing banks for the IRA. Presumably Mike's job was to infiltrate her team to find out if they were a serious threat or likely to become one, or if they could be used to take down someone higher up the ladder in the IRA. This would necessarily have included, yes, helping them commit crimes (though stopping short of murder...probably). Also according to Wiki/TheOtherWiki, Michael left when his cover was blown (obviously only blown to Fiona since her brother was still unaware of Michael's real identity years later) so it seems that, if Michael ever was given orders to take down Fiona's team, he probably didn't have enough time to execute it before he skipped town.

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** According to Website/TheOtherWiki when Fiona and Mike met each other Fi was robbing banks for the IRA. Presumably Mike's job was to infiltrate her team to find out if they were a serious threat or likely to become one, or if they could be used to take down someone higher up the ladder in the IRA. This would necessarily have included, yes, helping them commit crimes (though stopping short of murder...probably). Also according to Wiki/TheOtherWiki, Website/TheOtherWiki, Michael left when his cover was blown (obviously only blown to Fiona since her brother was still unaware of Michael's real identity years later) so it seems that, if Michael ever was given orders to take down Fiona's team, he probably didn't have enough time to execute it before he skipped town.
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** According to Wiki/TheOtherWiki when Fiona and Mike met each other Fi was robbing banks for the IRA. Presumably Mike's job was to infiltrate her team to find out if they were a serious threat or likely to become one, or if they could be used to take down someone higher up the ladder in the IRA. This would necessarily have included, yes, helping them commit crimes (though stopping short of murder...probably). Also according to Wiki/TheOtherWiki, Michael left when his cover was blown (obviously only blown to Fiona since her brother was still unaware of Michael's real identity years later) so it seems that, if Michael ever was given orders to take down Fiona's team, he probably didn't have enough time to execute it before he skipped town.

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** According to Wiki/TheOtherWiki Website/TheOtherWiki when Fiona and Mike met each other Fi was robbing banks for the IRA. Presumably Mike's job was to infiltrate her team to find out if they were a serious threat or likely to become one, or if they could be used to take down someone higher up the ladder in the IRA. This would necessarily have included, yes, helping them commit crimes (though stopping short of murder...probably). Also according to Wiki/TheOtherWiki, Michael left when his cover was blown (obviously only blown to Fiona since her brother was still unaware of Michael's real identity years later) so it seems that, if Michael ever was given orders to take down Fiona's team, he probably didn't have enough time to execute it before he skipped town.
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** According to Wiki/TheOtherWiki, a burn notice "is essentially a directive for the recipient to disregard or "burn" all information derived from that individual or group."

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** According to Wiki/TheOtherWiki, Website/TheOtherWiki, a burn notice "is essentially a directive for the recipient to disregard or "burn" all information derived from that individual or group."
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* Michael's vague and, at times, very selective personal ethics and the contradiction between them and his desired occupation. Alright, so when we are first introduced to Michael, he's a valued hotshot spy, doing all that entails for the U.S. government covertly, such as wiring money to prop up a brutal African warlord just to protect some U.S. oil fields. Not exactly high heroics there. When compromised, he takes two goons into the bathroom and calmly and efficiently shoots them dead. Which makes sense, of course, considering they will not hesitate to execute them and he needs to escape. But then later as the series progresses, he shows this sometimes bizarre [[TechnicalPacifist unwillingness to kill]] under any circumstances. Usually, that choice makes a lot of tactical sense for the current job and direct violence is really not an efficient choice, but every now and then it verges into IdiotBall territory, especially when sometimes it seems like Michael doesn't even shoot to kill in self-defense against trained cold-blooded {{Mooks}}, as if that were somehow wrong. He kills Strickler certainly, since its the only way to save Fiona in time, but with his activities, you would really expect that to happen a bit more often. He seems to take some kind of self-righteous offense when side characters like older spies or even Jesse kill, as if they are somehow in the wrong, though, mercifully, he's thanked Fiona the multiple times she has killed for him (she seems to have the highest body count of the four in-show). Later, though, with the CIA, his aim seems to have improved, albeit barely, when he executes a few guards to infiltrate a compound. Also bothersome is the show's, at times, annoying reliance on BigDamnVillains to get Michael out of sticky situations without somehow compromising these principles, such as Larry [[spoiler: killing Brennen]], but such instances really should beg the question, "So what would Michael have done if the villain HADN'T been there do that for him?" Sometimes the only answer is pretty much the same since it was the only real way out. I understand he has come to decide to fight hard against the degradation of his own morality via [[EvilMentor Larry's influence]] or the EvilCounterpart of Simon, but his overarching goal the whole time during the first several seasons has been to get back to his old job working as a spy for the U.S. government--even though, realistically, if he returned to that job he would no longer get to take only the "ethical" jobs anymore--there would be more wetwork ops, more dealings with people who kill, destroy and torture, defrauding and exploitative economic shenanigans and, of course, supporting a government that kills in the hundreds of thousands. Yeah... You know the stuff that governments do in order to stay in power. But yet he seems to have complete MoralMyopia on the subject, despite Fiona's, an acknowledged anti-government radical's, repeated attempts to say WhatTheHellHero to him for it. And this combined with the fact that Michael appears unable to explain exactly *why* he has to do it so much--at first it seems like that he is just in it for the money and having an outlet to use his skills while not becoming a criminal for it (and he accepts jobs with a lot more selfish cynicism back then), but then later vague hints of some super-patriotic desire to be a "good guy" to fight for...something crop up. Later those two seem to be dropped completely and Madeline offers maybe "it's just how he fits into the world" and it seems like he doesn't even really know for sure, other than appreciating the operational support and assets available to a professional spy rather than scraping by being a hero for hire. I think Nate probably hits closest to the mark when he compares it to an addiction--Michael is addicted to the work. A very personal, even self-centered motivation that explains Michael's choices at least. Really a case of Just Bugs Me.

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* Michael's vague and, at times, very selective personal ethics and the contradiction between them and his desired occupation. Alright, so when we are first introduced to Michael, he's a valued hotshot spy, doing all that entails for the U.S. government covertly, such as wiring money to prop up a brutal African warlord just to protect some U.S. oil fields. Not exactly high heroics there. When compromised, he takes two goons into the bathroom and calmly and efficiently shoots them dead. Which makes sense, of course, considering they will not hesitate to execute them and he needs to escape. But then later as the series progresses, he shows this sometimes bizarre [[TechnicalPacifist unwillingness to kill]] under any circumstances. Usually, that choice makes a lot of tactical sense for the current job and direct violence is really not an efficient choice, but every now and then it verges into IdiotBall territory, especially when sometimes it seems like Michael doesn't even shoot to kill in self-defense against trained cold-blooded {{Mooks}}, as if that were somehow wrong. He kills Strickler certainly, since its the only way to save Fiona in time, but with his activities, you would really expect that to happen a bit more often. He seems to take some kind of self-righteous offense when side characters like older spies or even Jesse kill, as if they are somehow in the wrong, though, mercifully, he's thanked Fiona the multiple times she has killed for him (she seems to have the highest body count of the four in-show). Later, though, with the CIA, his aim seems to have improved, albeit barely, when he executes a few guards to infiltrate a compound. Also bothersome is the show's, at times, annoying reliance on BigDamnVillains [[BadGuysDoTheDirtyWork villians doing the dirty work]] to get Michael out of sticky situations without somehow compromising these principles, such as Larry [[spoiler: killing Brennen]], but such instances really should beg the question, "So what would Michael have done if the villain HADN'T been there do that for him?" Sometimes the only answer is pretty much the same since it was the only real way out. I understand he has come to decide to fight hard against the degradation of his own morality via [[EvilMentor Larry's influence]] or the EvilCounterpart of Simon, but his overarching goal the whole time during the first several seasons has been to get back to his old job working as a spy for the U.S. government--even though, realistically, if he returned to that job he would no longer get to take only the "ethical" jobs anymore--there would be more wetwork ops, more dealings with people who kill, destroy and torture, defrauding and exploitative economic shenanigans and, of course, supporting a government that kills in the hundreds of thousands. Yeah... You know the stuff that governments do in order to stay in power. But yet he seems to have complete MoralMyopia on the subject, despite Fiona's, an acknowledged anti-government radical's, repeated attempts to say WhatTheHellHero to him for it. And this combined with the fact that Michael appears unable to explain exactly *why* he has to do it so much--at first it seems like that he is just in it for the money and having an outlet to use his skills while not becoming a criminal for it (and he accepts jobs with a lot more selfish cynicism back then), but then later vague hints of some super-patriotic desire to be a "good guy" to fight for...something crop up. Later those two seem to be dropped completely and Madeline offers maybe "it's just how he fits into the world" and it seems like he doesn't even really know for sure, other than appreciating the operational support and assets available to a professional spy rather than scraping by being a hero for hire. I think Nate probably hits closest to the mark when he compares it to an addiction--Michael is addicted to the work. A very personal, even self-centered motivation that explains Michael's choices at least. Really a case of Just Bugs Me.
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** Michael's target apparently sold information to both sides, as Strong notes. Technically, it's probably still the murder of a civilian, which would be a major no-no if it ever got out ("out" meaning to the public or possibly even to someone in the CIA who still has a conscience (which is [[RealityEnsues practically no one who has any power within it]]) as people undercover are still bound by law. Part of Strong encouraging Michael to actually go through with the hit shows how desperate he is to take James down. It is still illegal, but they're past caring, which is part of what [[spoiler: drives Michael to almost switch sides]].

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** Michael's target apparently sold information to both sides, as Strong notes. Technically, it's probably still the murder of a civilian, which would be a major no-no if it ever got out ("out" meaning to the public or possibly even to someone in the CIA who still has a conscience (which is [[RealityEnsues [[SurprisinglyRealisticOutcome practically no one who has any power within it]]) as people undercover are still bound by law. Part of Strong encouraging Michael to actually go through with the hit shows how desperate he is to take James down. It is still illegal, but they're past caring, which is part of what [[spoiler: drives Michael to almost switch sides]].
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** If memory serves, Larry was actually ''supposed'' to survive. I can't remember where I read it, but [[spoiler: Simon showing up working for the CIA in the final season]] was actually supposed to be Larry, but Tim Matheson was unavailable. They almost certainly left it deliberately vague so it could be taken either way.
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* Isn't Fiona sort of an [[UnfortunateImplications offensive national stereotype]]? Not just a ex-terrorist but a very chaotic, violence loving one too. Plus she's a redhead. It wouldn't be so bad if she was played by an actual Irish actress but Gabrielle Anwar is English.

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* Isn't Fiona sort of an [[UnfortunateImplications offensive national stereotype]]? Not just a ex-terrorist but a very chaotic, violence loving one too. Plus she's a redhead. It wouldn't be so bad if she was played by an actual Irish actress but Gabrielle Anwar Creator/GabrielleAnwar is English.
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* What, exactly, was the Burned Spies Organization doing? What were their goals? The closest we see to a real job by any of them is the abortive and mysterious assassination [[ShaggyDogStory Carla spends half a season setting up with no named target that falls apart thanks to Victor wasting the gunman.]] The rest of the time they're either trying to hunt down Barrett or later take out Michael. Were they a mercenary intelligence force selling their services to the highest bidder (in which case, why go to such lengths to hide their existence)? Did they have some sort of WarForFunAndProfit scheme going? Was this just a way for agents in the legitimate US (or other) intelligence services to get black ops jobs done when it became inconvenient to do it on the level (as Michael suggests at the start of Season 5 when he's interrogating the mook for the location of the last piece of the puzzle), and if so, ''why the need for so much conspiracy and blackmail?'' Especially when the "real" CIA job we see Michael doing is paying off a sketchy warlord and the other jobs the CIA sends him on typically involve kidnapping and would ostensibly involve some considerable amount of bloodshed if Michael wasn't typically so good at avoiding that sort of thing.

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* What, exactly, was the Burned Spies Organization doing? What were their goals? The closest we see to a real job by any of them is the abortive and mysterious assassination [[ShaggyDogStory Carla spends half a season setting up with no named target that falls apart thanks to Victor wasting the gunman.]] The rest of the time they're either trying to hunt down Barrett or later take out Michael. Were they a mercenary intelligence force selling their services to the highest bidder (in which case, why go to such lengths to hide their existence)? Did they have some sort of WarForFunAndProfit scheme going? Was this just a way for agents in the legitimate US (or other) intelligence services to get black ops jobs done when it became inconvenient to do it on the level (as Michael suggests at the start of Season 5 when he's interrogating the mook for the location of the last piece of the puzzle), and if so, ''why the need for so much conspiracy and blackmail?'' Especially when the "real" CIA job we see Michael doing is paying off a sketchy warlord and the other jobs the CIA sends him on typically involve kidnapping and would ostensibly involve some considerable amount of bloodshed if Michael wasn't typically so good at avoiding that sort of thing.thing.
** The exact same kinda thing the CIA was doing, only they were getting paid for it, instead of doing it for the government. So, closest to 'mercenary intelligence agency'. Likely doing actual crimes for profit, too.
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** It's heavily implied on a few occasions that Michael is suffering from PTSD, which may be affecting how he displays emotion.




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** Michael does appear to be coming from that area of the loft looking post-shower in one episode. Presumably that's where it is, since the other three walls are shown to not have anything resembling a bathroom.

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*** Most of the criminals that they deal with aren't around at the end of things to go hunting for Michael and company. The ones that are typically don't have much reason to talk to one another, being low-level mooks. This actually gets defied in one episode, when Pearce catches a glimpse of the Charger on [[FingerprintingAir a camera recording of a reflected window]] and concludes (not unreasonably) that Michael is responsible for Max's death. Which just raises the question of [[IdiotBall why they would take the highly recognizable car that is registered to Michael Westen to a crime scene where Michael is being framed for the murder of Michael Westen's handler so that Michael can flee the crime scene.]] Especially when they clearly have no problem stealing cars.




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*** To be fair, Sam is mooching off rich girlfriends most of the time in early seasons, although when his pension checks get tied up he's noticeably financially strained by it. Fiona is an apparently rather successful arms dealer, considering she can afford her own place, a nice wardrobe, and ostensibly supplies the weaponry the team uses. The car she drives in early seasons was one of the few times Michael accepted payment for a job and gave it to her as a gift. A lot of their gear seems to be either off-the-shelf stuff available at Radioshack or homemade gear that anyone with the right skills could assemble out of stuff that Fiona could probably get hold of. If anything, Michael's wardrobe is the biggest mystery, considering he [[KeepTheReward doesn't seem to accept monetary rewards most of the time,]] and good suits aren't cheap. After Season 4 Michael at least has the excuse of his assets being un-frozen and having access to his previous savings and income.




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*** The interrogating officer (never saw his rank boards) repeatedly refers to him as "soldier."




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** ''Good'' leaders serve their units by example. Bad leaders lead by charisma (impassioned yet nutty rants about the government and truth), by momentum (if any of his men are staunchly loyal, the ones that question will typically stay quiet) and possibly by fear. And notably, they aren't too afraid of him - they're afraid of the twenty-plus other guys with assault rifles that may not be Special Forces caliber, but can still point and shoot effectively enough to put any one of Team Westen in the hospital or the morgue.




* Why is it that all the operations take place in the morning. It seems every time Michael or anyone else does something illegal they do it in the morning. The only time they are out at night(bar some very rare incidents) is when visiting a nightclub. Its like the only do things at night when it is absolutely necessary. Yeah shooting in the morning makes things easier to see but one would think a professional wouldn't perform a hit on someone in broad daylight.

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\n** Mike realizes that Simon's ambush is happening then and there because it's the one place Simon ''knows'' Management is going to be at, because he knows Michael set up the trip with Management to come to Miami. The hit was completely genuine, but Simon apparently hadn't outlived his usefulness or proven too dangerous to leave alive in Management's eyes.

* Why is it that all the operations take place in the morning. It seems every time Michael or anyone else does something illegal they do it in the morning. The only time they are out at night(bar some very rare incidents) is when visiting a nightclub. Its like the only do things at night when it is absolutely necessary. Yeah shooting in the morning makes things easier to see but one would think a professional wouldn't perform a hit on someone in broad daylight.daylight.

* What, exactly, was the Burned Spies Organization doing? What were their goals? The closest we see to a real job by any of them is the abortive and mysterious assassination [[ShaggyDogStory Carla spends half a season setting up with no named target that falls apart thanks to Victor wasting the gunman.]] The rest of the time they're either trying to hunt down Barrett or later take out Michael. Were they a mercenary intelligence force selling their services to the highest bidder (in which case, why go to such lengths to hide their existence)? Did they have some sort of WarForFunAndProfit scheme going? Was this just a way for agents in the legitimate US (or other) intelligence services to get black ops jobs done when it became inconvenient to do it on the level (as Michael suggests at the start of Season 5 when he's interrogating the mook for the location of the last piece of the puzzle), and if so, ''why the need for so much conspiracy and blackmail?'' Especially when the "real" CIA job we see Michael doing is paying off a sketchy warlord and the other jobs the CIA sends him on typically involve kidnapping and would ostensibly involve some considerable amount of bloodshed if Michael wasn't typically so good at avoiding that sort of thing.
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** It could be that Anson pulled a BatmanGambit on Michael, expecting that he wouldn't take the easy way out because after years of ([[ProperlyParanoid proper]]) paranoia and always needing to be in control, it honestly wouldn't occur to him to trust other people to take Anson out. Michael feels the need to be 100% in control of a situation, it's part of what separates him from people like Larry, who, for example, murdered Brennen to remove Brennen's control of the situation even though he didn't have a perfectly-thought out back-up plan for what to do after. Larry is the master of the IndyPloy, something Michael can do but hates being backed into. Trusting Pearce, someone he didn't know anything about, to a.) be willing to hear him out, b.) believe him, c.) not already be working for Anson and just report back that Michael had betrayed him, thus getting Fiona killed, and d.) not report to her superiors, who may have been working for Anson or who may log the information somewhere Anson could see it, would have been a big leap of faith. Plus, Michael had no guarantee that Anson [[XanatosGambit didn't have some back-up plan that he hadn't elaborated on]]. Easier to play the long game and let Anson play out his hand a little bit. Michael's never been one to shy away from letting the chips fall where they may and trying to repair the damage after the fact.
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** According to TheOtherWiki, a burn notice "is essentially a directive for the recipient to disregard or "burn" all information derived from that individual or group."

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** According to TheOtherWiki, Wiki/TheOtherWiki, a burn notice "is essentially a directive for the recipient to disregard or "burn" all information derived from that individual or group."



** According to TheOtherWiki when Fiona and Mike met each other Fi was robbing banks for the IRA. Presumably Mike's job was to infiltrate her team to find out if they were a serious threat or likely to become one, or if they could be used to take down someone higher up the ladder in the IRA. This would necessarily have included, yes, helping them commit crimes (though stopping short of murder...probably). Also according to TheOtherWiki, Michael left when his cover was blown (obviously only blown to Fiona since her brother was still unaware of Michael's real identity years later) so it seems that, if Michael ever was given orders to take down Fiona's team, he probably didn't have enough time to execute it before he skipped town.

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** According to TheOtherWiki Wiki/TheOtherWiki when Fiona and Mike met each other Fi was robbing banks for the IRA. Presumably Mike's job was to infiltrate her team to find out if they were a serious threat or likely to become one, or if they could be used to take down someone higher up the ladder in the IRA. This would necessarily have included, yes, helping them commit crimes (though stopping short of murder...probably). Also according to TheOtherWiki, Wiki/TheOtherWiki, Michael left when his cover was blown (obviously only blown to Fiona since her brother was still unaware of Michael's real identity years later) so it seems that, if Michael ever was given orders to take down Fiona's team, he probably didn't have enough time to execute it before he skipped town.
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**** But even if he screws up, the result would just be that... his cover is blown. There's still no advantage to blowing it deliberately, since there's a high chance the people involved will never meet or think about him again if he doesn't.
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** They probably also get a lot more work than we ever see on the show. It's quite common for one of the team to mention that they are already working on something can either can't help Micheal right then or could really use him to speed things up so they can help him with his problem. This is never treated as surprising so much as inconvenient so they probably all do it all the time and it's just not shown because those are cases where everything goes completely according to plan and nothing moves the primary plot forward. For every time Mike gets tangled up with the top drug dealer/gangster/corrupt cop in Miami there have to be a dozen times he has to deal with some random punk.


** Michael is a professional spy it does seem jarring that he would take things at face value that Larry died just because Fiona '''thought''' she killed him, Fiona has been wrong in the past, especially since he seems very GenreSavvy in about everything else. I hope that this comes back to bite him in the ass just so Michael will learn from his mistake.

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** Michael is a professional spy it does seem jarring that he would take things at face value that Larry died just because Fiona '''thought''' she killed him, Fiona has been wrong in the past, especially since he seems very GenreSavvy smart in about everything else. I hope that this comes back to bite him in the ass just so Michael will learn from his mistake.
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*** There's probably some invocation there. After all, if FIONA is objecting to something being too shady, it must be pretty damn bad, given all the shady things she has absolutely no problem with.
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* Why is it that all the operations take place in the morning. It seems every time Michael or anyone else does something illegal they do it in the morning. The only time they are out at night is night (bar some very rare incidents) is when visiting a nightclub. Its like the only do things at night when it is absolutely necessary. Yeah shooting in the morning makes things easier to see but one would think a professional wouldn't perform a hit on someone in broad daylight.

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* Why is it that all the operations take place in the morning. It seems every time Michael or anyone else does something illegal they do it in the morning. The only time they are out at night is night (bar night(bar some very rare incidents) is when visiting a nightclub. Its like the only do things at night when it is absolutely necessary. Yeah shooting in the morning makes things easier to see but one would think a professional wouldn't perform a hit on someone in broad daylight.
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* At the end of Season 3, Mike realises that Simon intends to kill "Management" because "there was only one Helipad he could land at" (or something like that). Even if you accept that was true (which seems unlikely, but I can swallow that) doesn't it seem remarkably unlikely that Management would take such a risky trip? When I first saw the episode I was convinced it was all a ploy by Management to recruit Mike, ''particularly'' when he steps in to prevent Mike from killing Simon as it seemed the two had cooked up the plan together and killing his own man would be counterproductive. But it seems that no, the hit was absolutely genuine and they weren't working together. Are we meant to ascribe this as a weird coincidence or is it a dangling plot thread?

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* At the end of Season 3, Mike realises that Simon intends to kill "Management" because "there was only one Helipad he could land at" (or something like that). Even if you accept that was true (which seems unlikely, but I can swallow that) doesn't it seem remarkably unlikely that Management would take such a risky trip? When I first saw the episode I was convinced it was all a ploy by Management to recruit Mike, ''particularly'' when he steps in to prevent Mike from killing Simon as it seemed the two had cooked up the plan together and killing his own man would be counterproductive. But it seems that no, the hit was absolutely genuine and they weren't working together. Are we meant to ascribe this as a weird coincidence or is it a dangling plot thread?thread?

*Why is it that all the operations take place in the morning. It seems every time Michael or anyone else does something illegal they do it in the morning. The only time they are out at night is night (bar some very rare incidents) is when visiting a nightclub. Its like the only do things at night when it is absolutely necessary. Yeah shooting in the morning makes things easier to see but one would think a professional wouldn't perform a hit on someone in broad daylight.
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** Willing to kill =/= willing to be a hired assassin.

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** Willing to kill =/= willing to be a hired assassin.
assassin. Michael only takes jobs where he can help the good guys against the bad guys, or the not-so-bad guys against the ''really'' bad guys. He's selective, and that narrows his employment options.
** To add to that, Michael and company never seem to actually have money issues. He's still dressing in very nice suits, they have access to all kinds of black market weapons and gear, not to mention the nice cars, and they never seem to be worried about making rent in a city known for excessively high living costs. They take jobs to get money to finance something ''really'' expensive, or when they need lots of cash quickly, or to advance their own agendas by helping someone and getting their help in return. The first episode is really the only episode in which Mike is strapped for cash. After that, they're always in financially good shape.
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** Laws do exist that say an agent of the government is restricted in what they can do while undercover, such as preventing police officers from entrapping suspects, the clandestine services operate under a different set of rules entirely. The CIA, for example, has operated under an executive order forbidding assassination of foreign nationals for decades, but that doesn't mean they can't [[LoopholeAbuse hire someone to kill for them]]. Ultimately, the rules that agents operate under are different from the publicly known rules, and killing civilians might just be excusable if it's part of a greater operation or target. And there ''have'' been cases of people killing to establish or maintain their cover, so it's not all that farfetched.
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** If we assume the show's universe matches real history, the IRA (Assuming we mean the Provisional IRA) had a ceasefire started in 1994 that lasted for two years, a short break in 1996 (Including a large bombing in Manchester, so, Fi?), and then a ceasefire until the Good Friday agreement, after which point attacks pretty much stopped. This works fine for Fi's involvement if we assume she's the same age as her actress (born 1970), she could lose her sister in 1990 or so, giving her enough time to join and learn bomb-making. But this causes some strange problems if this is where she met Michael, because it means all this happened over a decade ago. However, in 2004, the PIRA allegedly ''robbed a bank'' in Belfast, and it seems likely that this is what the show is alluding too. (Or a fictional robbery much like that one.) So, basically, when Michael was spying on the PIRA, it probably was in the early-to-mid 00s, around three years before the show, and they ''weren't'' blowing things up at the time. In fact, in 2005, the PIRA would supposedly decommission all its arms...which raises several interesting ideas about how she became an arms dealer. Selling their weapons? Procuring them new weapons?

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** Except that Anson was part of the same organization that Michael had just proven existed, and spent months taking down, and consisted of all sorts of random people in the government. The same organization that Michael had been insisting still had a loose thread to Max. Claiming your local supermarket cashier is the last cartel drug dealer, attempting to extort you into working for them, to a person that knows you ''have just spent months helping take down that very drug cartel which was full of members disguised as cashiers'' is fairly believable.
** The only actual plausible explanation is that, even if he thought the CIA would believe him, he didn't think the British would go along it, and would go after Fi regardless of what the CIA said. But that just means he should tell Pearce ''in secret''. Technically, he could be worried about that fact leaking back to Anson before he can clear her name in a manner the British would believe, but that rather contradicts the entire premise of the organization being 99% gone.
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** 'Does a black list on "every government agency known to Man" require by law that no one use Michael's services?' The answer to this is, indeed, 'Yes'. 100% yes. That is what a burn notice is. And it probably would stop private intelligence companies that want US contracts from hiring him also. Although only the ''intelligence community'' cares about them, as was mentioned when he works with the DEA in an early season.
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** Let's see if I remember the details right. Brennan only needs Mike to run his errands. He says to his face that he doesn't care what Mike actually does in-between getting it done, as long as he ''gets it done''. Also, Nate is still effectively in a hostage situation. I'm sure that's more than enough leverage to tell Mike to knock everything off if he cared to do so. Basically, Brennan's in complete control of the situation and he knows it which is why he lets Mike relatively off the leash.

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** Let's see if I remember the details right. Brennan only needs Mike to run his errands. He says to his face that he doesn't care what Mike actually does in-between getting it done, as long as he ''gets it done''. Also, Nate is still effectively in a hostage situation. I'm sure that's more than enough leverage to tell Mike to knock everything off if he cared to do so. Basically, Brennan's in complete control of the situation and he knows it which is why he lets Mike relatively off the leash.leash.

* At the end of Season 3, Mike realises that Simon intends to kill "Management" because "there was only one Helipad he could land at" (or something like that). Even if you accept that was true (which seems unlikely, but I can swallow that) doesn't it seem remarkably unlikely that Management would take such a risky trip? When I first saw the episode I was convinced it was all a ploy by Management to recruit Mike, ''particularly'' when he steps in to prevent Mike from killing Simon as it seemed the two had cooked up the plan together and killing his own man would be counterproductive. But it seems that no, the hit was absolutely genuine and they weren't working together. Are we meant to ascribe this as a weird coincidence or is it a dangling plot thread?
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*** It does stretch credibility somewhat that the team's chisselled, handsome mugs never get recognized (or that their cool car never does, but artistic licence is at play there), but I suppose it would tie into the show's running theme that low level gangs and crooks are composed of small minded idiots who are no match physically or intellectually with trained professionals, and simply lack the connections and ability to spread the word about the mysterious badasses who took them down in days, or failed to do so among the criminal underworld. Where someone is supposed to be reasonably intelligent and careful, they at least seem able to figure out when the team is faking certain parts of their cover IDs (such as in Made Man).

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*** It does stretch credibility somewhat that the team's chisselled, handsome mugs never get recognized (or that their cool car never does, but artistic licence is at play there), but I suppose it would tie into the show's running theme that low level gangs and crooks are composed of small minded idiots who are no match physically or intellectually with trained professionals, and simply lack the connections and ability to spread the word about the mysterious badasses who took them down in days, or failed to do so among the criminal underworld. Where someone is supposed to be reasonably intelligent and careful, they at least seem able to figure out when the team is faking certain parts of their cover IDs [=IDs=] (such as in Made Man).

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