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** It may be more than just anger, and something closer to a secondary subroutine taking hold. Decepticons may simply have allowed that subroutine to take over, thus why they tend to be hyper focused on fighting and power to the detriment of other areas.
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** Could also be a case of sheer ego and assuming the ignorant, primitive local species wouldn't be smart enough to catch on to the name. It's abundantly clear that she and Dropkick are fully of the opinion that humans are basically stupid.

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** Could also be a case of sheer ego and assuming the ignorant, primitive local species wouldn't be smart enough to catch on to the name. It's abundantly clear that she and Dropkick are fully of the opinion that humans are basically stupid.
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** Could also be a case of sheer ego and assuming the ignorant, primitive local species wouldn't be smart enough to catch on to the name. It's abundantly clear that she and Dropkick are fully of the opinion that humans are basically stupid.
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** As far as Cybertron is concerned, technically speaking we don't know the prologue occurs in 1987. That dateline doesn't get dropped until later when the action moves to Earth, so for all we know dozens or even millions of years pass between the battle and Bumblebee's landing.

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** As far as Cybertron is concerned, technically speaking we don't know the prologue occurs in 1987. That dateline {{dateline}} doesn't get dropped until later when the action moves to Earth, so for all we know dozens or even millions of years pass between the battle and Bumblebee's landing.

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* ''Rise of the Beasts'' all but confirms that ''Bumblebee'' is a reboot, since Unicron is Earth in the Bayverse timeline while in ''RotB'' he's awake and active in another part of the galaxy.



* ''Rise of the Beasts'' all but confirms that ''Bumblebee'' is a reboot, since Unicron is Earth in the Bayverse timeline while in ''RotB'' he's awake and active in another part of the galaxy.
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* ''Rise of the Beasts'' all but confirms that ''Bumblebee'' is a reboot, since Unicron is Earth in the Bayverse timeline while in ''RotB'' he's awake and active in another part of the galaxy.
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** This IS Transformers. Are you new to the franchise?
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When the humans attack Bumblebee, his optics narrow and change from blue to red, like a decepticon's. Does that means that decepticons just have red eyes because they're constantly pissed off?
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** Another possible explanation is that in those 20-odd years, they've upgraded/repaired/modified themselves (say, a skirmish leading to battle damage requiring new pieces be fitted, or various plates and panels being added to prevent damage or capture (thickening armor to prevent harpoons from damaging internal components or the like))
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*** The "reboot" G1-ish designs are relatively simple compared to the more Bay-ish "prequel" designs like Bumblebee, which simplifies many of those steps. Many of them also are only ever seen in robot mode, removing the need to animate transformations (apparently one of the more complex aspects of the Transformers films) or even bother modeling the altmode. On top of that, while I don't have much of an eye for this sort of thing myself, apparently a lot of parts were reused between the Cybertronian models, which not only further simplifies the process but also suggests the animators were in a hurry.
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** A lot of cameras at the time (including some Polaroids, if memory serves) had timers, so you could mount the camera on a tripod (or set it on an object of convenient height), align the shot, set the timer, hustle to your spot, and be in front of the camera when the timer went off and it took the picture. Usually used as a way to get group photos when no one who wasn't to be in the picture was there to take it, but perfectly serviceable for Charlie to take a picture of her and Bee.
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** I was figure that the Decepticons had scouts searching for resources on other worlds (remember, back before [[Anime/TransformersArmada Mini-Cons]], [[Anime/TransformersCybertron Cyber Planet Keys]] or [[Film/Transformers All]][[WesternAnimation/TransformersAnimated sparks]], the Decepticons did just target our resources in order to fuel themselves) and Blitzwing happened to be on earth, close enough to see Bee's crash landing and flew over to intercept, either to aid if it was a fellow Decepticon, or attack if it was an Autobot.
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** Also, she and Bumblebee just had a violent altercation with a state trooper the last night. The state trooper would sure be able to recognize the yellow Volkswagen Beetle if other policemen were to investigate Charlie's house.

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** Also, she and Bumblebee just had a violent altercation with a state trooper the last night. The state trooper would sure be able to recognize the yellow Volkswagen Beetle if other policemen were to investigate Charlie's house. Then that would mean Charlie has to pay a fine and even spend some time in jail.

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** Because she didn't want to tell her parents that an outsider broke in, cause if she did, they would call the police and the police would do a thorough investigation of the house, which could possibly include the garage -- thus exposing Bumblebee.

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** Because she didn't She doesn't want to tell the police looking around her house and finding Bumblebee there. If she told her parents that an outsider broke in, cause if she did, they would call the police and the police would do a thorough investigation of the house, which could possibly include lead to them searching in the garage -- thus exposing Bumblebee.as well and ultimately expose Bumblebee.
** Also, she and Bumblebee just had a violent altercation with a state trooper the last night. The state trooper would sure be able to recognize the yellow Volkswagen Beetle if other policemen were to investigate Charlie's house.
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** She's just a kid, and she is panicking and in shock herself. She didn't think of it is all. It was a dumb move, but teenage kids make dumb moves all the time.

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** She's just a kid, and Because she is panicking and in shock herself. She didn't think of it is all. It was a dumb move, but teenage kids make dumb moves all want to tell her parents that an outsider broke in, cause if she did, they would call the time.police and the police would do a thorough investigation of the house, which could possibly include the garage -- thus exposing Bumblebee.

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When Charlie had to explain the house getting wrecked, why didn't she just act like someone had broken in, rather than blaming it all on herself?

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* When Charlie had to explain the house getting wrecked, why didn't she just act like someone had broken in, rather than blaming it all on herself?herself?
** She's just a kid, and she is panicking and in shock herself. She didn't think of it is all. It was a dumb move, but teenage kids make dumb moves all the time.
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When Charlie had to explain the house getting wrecked, why didn't she just act like someone had broken in, rather than blaming it all on herself?
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** How? This is full, live-action CGI we're talking about. They have to sketch out the concept art (to be fair, if they were simply doing 3-D versions of G1 designs, it probably didn't take that long), generate the CGI models in the computers, add textures and colors, add lighting and shading, add other effects of dust, smoke, etc, and animate them to move realistically. And that's just with the characters. Cybertron was a whole world in and of itself. It's been said that Alice's transformation in ROTF took three months on its own to complete. That's just one character in one scene. This makes me think that the studio came up with the idea to turn this movie into a "reboot" way before they announced it.
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** Realistically, the parts that would need integrating with live action was just the Bumblebee scenes and maybe Blitzwing. As you'll notice, Bee doesn't really look all that different from how he did in the Bay films. So most of the film (at least the parts with humans) didn't need much retooling in the first place. Once it was decided to lean more towards "prequel", they really only needed to animate the all CG prologue on Cybertron and the ending scene with Optimus, and maybe a few smaller shots (like Optimus' hologram message to Bee). That wouldn't take as much time as you'd think.
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* This troper is quite frustrated about the studio developing this movie as a prequel and promising as such, only to go back and say it was a reboot after they released it. But even pushing such emotions aside, there are some serious questions about this. The "Appearances" entry at the top does address the fact that the Transformer characters resemble their G1 selves rather than their Bayverse selves, and if this movie was really a reboot, then such designs would be justified. But here's the thing: if I recall correctly, the reboot rumors didn't start until a month or two before the movie came out. I'm no expert on special effects, but I'm pretty sure it takes WAY longer than that to render full CGI character models, animate them as the script demands, and integrate them with the real live-action elements. So...did they always intend this movie to be a reboot, or is this just a case of the director making things his own way just...because?

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* This troper is quite frustrated about the The studio developing apparently wants to call this movie as a prequel and promising as such, only to go back and say it was a reboot after they released it. But even pushing such emotions aside, there are instead of a prequel. I guess this handwaves the things that contradict the other movies, but it does raise some serious questions about this.more questions. The "Appearances" entry at the top does address the fact that the Transformer characters resemble their G1 selves rather than their Bayverse selves, and if this movie was really a reboot, then such designs would be justified. But here's the thing: if I recall correctly, the reboot rumors didn't start until a month or two before the movie came out. I'm no expert on special effects, but I'm pretty sure it takes WAY longer than that to render full CGI character models, animate them as the script demands, and integrate them with the real live-action elements. So...did they always intend this movie to be a reboot, or is this just a case of the director making things his own way just...because?
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*This troper is quite frustrated about the studio developing this movie as a prequel and promising as such, only to go back and say it was a reboot after they released it. But even pushing such emotions aside, there are some serious questions about this. The "Appearances" entry at the top does address the fact that the Transformer characters resemble their G1 selves rather than their Bayverse selves, and if this movie was really a reboot, then such designs would be justified. But here's the thing: if I recall correctly, the reboot rumors didn't start until a month or two before the movie came out. I'm no expert on special effects, but I'm pretty sure it takes WAY longer than that to render full CGI character models, animate them as the script demands, and integrate them with the real live-action elements. So...did they always intend this movie to be a reboot, or is this just a case of the director making things his own way just...because?
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More so a question about the behind the scenes aspect, which is outside the scope of Headscratchers
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* This movie was first announced as a prequel, and was even developed as such (Bumblebee's license plate, the Camaro scene at the end, Megatron being frozen in ice, etc.). Sure, there's enough confusion to warrant the "Timeline" entry above, but then again, these movies have always retconned each other in order to tell their own story. But now they're saying it's a reboot. Um...what? Yes, The Last Knight was less successful than they wanted, and yes, they want to take the franchise in a new direction. But what made them think it was okay to start making a spin-off about Bumblebee, promising it to be a prequel and developing it as such, and then later say that it was a reboot instead?
** Because Bumblebee got much better reviews than Michael Bay's pentalogy of live-action films. It was supposed to be a prequel at first, but given that the critics and some audiences claim ''Bumblebee'' had more of "[[MythologyGag The Touch]]" than the Bay-verse did, Hasbro decided ''Bumblebee'' will begin its own universe.
** Lorenzo di Bonaventura did say Paramount was on track to make a sequel to ''The Last Knight'' regardless of ''Bumblebee''[='s=] reception, but then he retracted it and so they'll be focusing on more movies similar to ''Bumblebee'', claiming Bumblebee was much more acclaimed. Though in reality ''Bumblebee'' made even less money than ''The Last Knight'', so it's uncertain if Transformers movies will keep coming given its currently dire financial circumstances.
** It's true that Bumblebee was much more lauded that Michael Bay's movies and said to feel more like G1. But why doesn't that mean that they can continue to build off of Michael Bay's franchise, except with a G1 feel/design to it? Maybe it's just me, but to promise a prequel/spinoff, release said prequel/spinoff, and then declare it to be a "reboot" that actually has no connections to the previous movies just feels...wrong. It's like Abe Lincoln preparing and giving the Gettysburg Address, intending to (and succeeding in) honoring the fallen American soldiers, only to later say "Actually, that speech was all about abolishing slavery, and everything I said before was a bunch of BS."
*** That's Hollywood for you, my friend. Hollywood is a corporation focused on profits, not keeping promises.

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** Because Bumblebee got much better reviews than Michael Bay's quintology of live-action films. It was supposed to be a prequel at first, but given that the critics and some audiences claim ''Bumblebee'' had more of "[[MythologyGag The Touch]]" than the Bay-verse did, Hasbro decided ''Bumblebee'' will begin its own universe.
*** Not to be nitpicky, the the correct term for five stories is "pentalogy."

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** Because Bumblebee got much better reviews than Michael Bay's quintology pentalogy of live-action films. It was supposed to be a prequel at first, but given that the critics and some audiences claim ''Bumblebee'' had more of "[[MythologyGag The Touch]]" than the Bay-verse did, Hasbro decided ''Bumblebee'' will begin its own universe. \n*** Not to be nitpicky, the the correct term for five stories is "pentalogy."



** That's Hollywood for you, my friend. Hollywood is a corporation focused on profits, not keeping promises.

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** *** That's Hollywood for you, my friend. Hollywood is a corporation focused on profits, not keeping promises.
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** That's Hollywood for you, my friend. Hollywood is a corporation focused on profits, not keeping promises.
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***Not to be nitpicky, the the correct term for five stories is "pentalogy."


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**It's true that Bumblebee was much more lauded that Michael Bay's movies and said to feel more like G1. But why doesn't that mean that they can continue to build off of Michael Bay's franchise, except with a G1 feel/design to it? Maybe it's just me, but to promise a prequel/spinoff, release said prequel/spinoff, and then declare it to be a "reboot" that actually has no connections to the previous movies just feels...wrong. It's like Abe Lincoln preparing and giving the Gettysburg Address, intending to (and succeeding in) honoring the fallen American soldiers, only to later say "Actually, that speech was all about abolishing slavery, and everything I said before was a bunch of BS."
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** Because Bumblebee got much better reviews than Michael Bay's quintology of live-action films. It was supposed to be a prequel at first, but given that the critics and some audiences claim ''Bumblebee' had more of "[[MythologyGag The Touch]]" than the Bay-verse did, Hasbro decided ''Bumblebee'' will begin its own universe.

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** Because Bumblebee got much better reviews than Michael Bay's quintology of live-action films. It was supposed to be a prequel at first, but given that the critics and some audiences claim ''Bumblebee' ''Bumblebee'' had more of "[[MythologyGag The Touch]]" than the Bay-verse did, Hasbro decided ''Bumblebee'' will begin its own universe.
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** Lorenzo di Bonaventura did say Paramount was on track to make a sequel to ''The Last Knight'' regardless of ''Bumblebee''[='s] reception, but then he retracted it and so they'll be focusing on more movies similar to ''Bumblebee'', claiming Bumblebee was much more acclaimed. Though in reality ''Bumblebee'' made even less money than ''The Last Knight'', so it's uncertain if Transformers movies will keep coming given its currently dire financial circumstances.

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** Lorenzo di Bonaventura did say Paramount was on track to make a sequel to ''The Last Knight'' regardless of ''Bumblebee''[='s] ''Bumblebee''[='s=] reception, but then he retracted it and so they'll be focusing on more movies similar to ''Bumblebee'', claiming Bumblebee was much more acclaimed. Though in reality ''Bumblebee'' made even less money than ''The Last Knight'', so it's uncertain if Transformers movies will keep coming given its currently dire financial circumstances.

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