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* If Willow's spell activated every potential slayer in the world, where were they getting their power from? The First Slayer was created using the essence of one demon, which would then pass on to another slayer when she died. Theoretically, that power should have completely transferred to Kendra upon Buffy's death, or at least be shared between the two slayers. Willow's spell should have divided the power of one demon among thousands of girls, theoretically resulting in much weaker slayers.

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* If Willow's spell activated every potential slayer in the world, where were they getting their power from? The First Slayer was created using the essence of one demon, which would then pass on to another slayer when she died. Theoretically, that power should have completely transferred to Kendra upon Buffy's death, or at least be shared between the two slayers. Willow's spell should have divided the power of one demon among thousands of girls, theoretically resulting in much weaker slayers. [[/folder]]

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* If Willow's spell activated every potential slayer in the world, where were they getting their power from? The First Slayer was created using the essence of one demon, which would then pass on to another slayer when she died. Theoretically, that power should have completely transferred to Kendra upon Buffy's death, or at least be shared between the two slayers. Willow's spell should have divided the power of one demon among thousands of girls, theoretically resulting in much weaker slayers.

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** "Earth started as a paradise": Not entirely accurate. Yes, Giles calls this out as a fallacy in the first episode, but pretty much every creation myth, Abrahamic or Pagan, starts by describing the primordial darkness that existed before Creation. Pretty solid allegory for "the time when demons and Dark Powers ruled over everything that was." Even [[Series/Babylon5 G'Kar]] notes that pretty much everyone believes in a time before time when "darkness covered the face of the deep," as they say.

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** I'd have imagined that magic would go for the gender of the mind/soul/whatever you want to call it, rather than genetics. That said, the Fray comics had twins, one male and one female, where the girl got the physical Slayer powers and the boy got the visions, so maybe potential Slayerness actually does latch on to the right kind of fertilised egg as soon it comes into existence and thus before any gender identity has formed. (And raises the question of what would have happened if the First Slayer had been intersex, or XY but with complete androgen insensitivity, or something like that.)



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***Also to some degree they didnít really stopped so many apocalypses as the series claims. I think Giles sometimes exaggerated the degree of the menace in order to motivate Buffy. We learn from the Wishverse that The Masterís liberation wasnít really an Apocalypses or a real global treat, The Mayor turning into a giant snake, although something nasty and probably would take a lot of lives, hardly would mean the end of the world, Adamís plan in season four would have taken many decades to impact the world and I doubt Dark Willow would really destroy the planet. So, in reality they stopped the end of the world four times; season two when they stopped Achatla, mid season three during The Zeppo, season five with Glory and season seven when they stopped the Uber-Vamps from getting loose (Iím not counting comics because I havenít read them, but I guess after season seven every treat is no longer in Sunnydale).


*** It's almost definitely tradition. We don't see much of the Watcher's Council at all so Wesley may be a huge break with tradition on that front.



*** The easier answer is that Willow distorts our opinion too much and the Shadowmen could have been incapable of anything that would qualify as combat casting. There is mind you a huge difference between say the Re-Ensouling spell that Willow did in S2 which presumably anybody who had the tools, and could speak Romani(?) could accomplish and and Willow and Wesley tossing around fireballs and force pushes. Also given what we know now about the source of Slayer Strength combined with the information Anya, Illyria and Drogan provide on True Demons and Old Ones it's entirely possible that modern Slayers are the result of however many thousands of years of watered down power. If she and the Shadowmen were even holding their own in a world that contained even demons on par with The Beast they must have been something great back in the day.




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*** The point wasn't about her location. Presumably between seers, prophesies and slayer visions Buffy is where she is meant to be and the real reason she hangs around Sunnydale has more to do with budget issues than anything else. Same reason why over on {{series:Supernatural}} every single major event in the last decade has taken place in the continuous United States. The question is that Willow>Buffy. As stated above even Amy's mother only lost a fight to Buffy because of a well placed mirror and we're never given the impression she is above average. Granted part of it is simply serial escalation but we have every reason to believe she's on the shallow end of things.


** Good point on guns. I guess tradition and taste are to blame there. There are mentions of covens of good witches and warlocks in the show. They imbue Giles with the power necessary to fight Willow. But dark magic seems to be more powerful than "light" magic, although it's also more dangerous and difficult to control without becoming evil. The shadow men wanted a tool to fight the forces of darkness. Apparently they didn't have the power necessary to fight them off alone, but they didn't want to create a threat to their own position of power. Having a girl that is strong and agile enough to fight demons for a while but not enough so that they couldn't control her was a good enough compromise. Also, this was just a few tribesmen in the early ages of humanity. They probably didn't expect to have to protect the whole planet, just themselves. Maybe for some reason, evil forces weren't too keen on apocalypses at the time.
As far as Buffy hanging out in Sunnydale, it seems most apocalypses happen there. She fights off a lot more than your average vampire, though. There's about an apocalypse a year and dozens of new demons and various supernatural and technological threats to humanity and the good people of Sunnydale appear there each month. She kills vampires because she is the vampire slayer, and vampires do kill people and try to bring about an apocalypse every so often(when they're not busy falling in love with her, that is). She handles whatever menace comes her way when it does. I assume the Watcher's council and other organizations have resources deployed at other hellmouths as well, but apparently they decided Sunnydale was in particular need of a slayer.

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** Good point on guns. I guess tradition and taste are to blame there.
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There are mentions of covens of good witches and warlocks in the show. They imbue Giles with the power necessary to fight Willow. But dark magic seems to be more powerful than "light" magic, although it's also more dangerous and difficult to control without becoming evil. The shadow men wanted a tool to fight the forces of darkness. Apparently they didn't have the power necessary to fight them off alone, but they didn't want to create a threat to their own position of power. Having a girl that is strong and agile enough to fight demons for a while but not enough so that they couldn't control her was a good enough compromise. Also, this was just a few tribesmen in the early ages of humanity. They probably didn't expect to have to protect the whole planet, just themselves. Maybe for some reason, evil forces weren't too keen on apocalypses at the time.
** As far as for Buffy hanging out in Sunnydale, it seems most apocalypses happen there. She fights off a lot more than your average vampire, though. There's about an apocalypse a year and dozens of new demons and various supernatural and technological threats to humanity and the good people of Sunnydale appear there each month. She kills vampires because she is the vampire slayer, and vampires do kill people and try to bring about an apocalypse every so often(when they're not busy falling in love with her, that is). She handles whatever menace comes her way when it does. I assume the Watcher's council and other organizations have resources deployed at other hellmouths as well, but apparently they decided Sunnydale was in particular need of a slayer.



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** Good point on guns. I guess tradition and taste are to blame there. There are mentions of covens of good witches and warlocks in the show. They imbue Giles with the power necessary to fight Willow. But dark magic seems to be more powerful than "light" magic, although it's also more dangerous and difficult to control without becoming evil. The shadow men wanted a tool to fight the forces of darkness. Apparently they didn't have the power necessary to fight them off alone, but they didn't want to create a threat to their own position of power. Having a girl that is strong and agile enough to fight demons for a while but not enough so that they couldn't control her was a good enough compromise. Also, this was just a few tribesmen in the early ages of humanity. They probably didn't expect to have to protect the whole planet, just themselves. Maybe for some reason, evil forces weren't too keen on apocalypses at the time.
As far as Buffy hanging out in Sunnydale, it seems most apocalypses happen there. She fights off a lot more than your average vampire, though. There's about an apocalypse a year and dozens of new demons and various supernatural and technological threats to humanity and the good people of Sunnydale appear there each month. She kills vampires because she is the vampire slayer, and vampires do kill people and try to bring about an apocalypse every so often(when they're not busy falling in love with her, that is). She handles whatever menace comes her way when it does. I assume the Watcher's council and other organizations have resources deployed at other hellmouths as well, but apparently they decided Sunnydale was in particular need of a slayer.


*** Maybe most teens would be fine identifying as Christian if they were asked. But that doesn't mean every teen from a Christian background ever took the time to think about it and actually believes in it. Willow identifies as Jewish, but that label also carries a cultural and ethnic association. Lots of Jewish people are secular. In "Conversation with dead people" of season 7, Buffy says there's "nothing solid" as to the existent of God. If she was a believer before, she certainly isn't at that point. But since we never saw her showing any particular belief previously, we could just as well assume she never had one. If a character never profess any belief even when put in all the situations where one would, that's evidence of absence for me.

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*** Maybe most teens would be fine identifying as Christian if they were asked. But that doesn't mean every teen from a Christian background ever took the time to think about it and actually believes in it. Willow identifies as Jewish, but that label also carries a cultural and ethnic association. Lots of Jewish people are secular. In "Conversation with dead people" of season 7, Buffy says there's "nothing solid" as to the existent existence of God. If she was a believer before, she certainly isn't at that point. But since we never saw her showing any particular belief previously, we could just as well assume she never had one. If a character never profess any belief even when put in all the situations where one would, that's evidence of absence for me.

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** Belief in supernatural isn't belief in religion or belief in God. Atheists can believe in the supernatural, just not in a god. The characters can certainly believe that the supernatural they encounter exists, but lots of what they encounter don't at all fit in any of the main religion. Many religions include some concept of an afterlife or a heaven, and the heaven Buffy described was a very fuzzy, abstract experience that doesn't point to a particular religion. It's pretty much the general idea of heaven: a place of perfect happiness. She didn't encounter God or angels there. The Buffyverse mixes lots of different mythology. So there's no reason for them to assume there is a "one-true-god" and that this god is the Abrahamic one.

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*** Maybe most teens would be fine identifying as Christian if they were asked. But that doesn't mean every teen from a Christian background ever took the time to think about it and actually believes in it. Willow identifies as Jewish, but that label also carries a cultural and ethnic association. Lots of Jewish people are secular. In "Conversation with dead people" of season 7, Buffy says there's "nothing solid" as to the existent of God. If she was a believer before, she certainly isn't at that point. But since we never saw her showing any particular belief previously, we could just as well assume she never had one. If a character never profess any belief even when put in all the situations where one would, that's evidence of absence for me.


* This might be a case of AuthorOnBoard with Joss Whedon's personal opinions on religion. The only character in the Whedonverse who is portrayed as being a Christian is Kate Lockley from ''Angel''.

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* This might be a case of AuthorOnBoard WriterOnBoard with Joss Whedon's personal opinions on religion. The only character in the Whedonverse who is portrayed as being a Christian is Kate Lockley from ''Angel''.

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****It's not just the having the power -- it's the being forced to use it. When there's only one Slayer, they HAVE to be the Slayer. When there's hundreds of Slayers, you can decide not to. They make a point of this more than once in the series, but it's essentially the entire point of the last scene in "Chosen". Okay, so all of those girls had superpowers forced on them. Yes. But, those superpowers could have been forced on any one of them before, at any time, and then they wouldn't have had a choice what to do with them. Now they can decide for themselves if they want to use their Slayer powers to be the Slayer. It's still not ideal, but it seems like a better situation to me.

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* The government also seems aware of the existence of demons and other supernatural treats, and not only because of The Initiative, in season one we see the FBI taking care of all invisible people. Also other demon hunters around the world are shown like Sid and Wesley when he goes rough. In Angel we see that Gunís ehÖ gang? had to learn how to defend themselves from vampires and demons in L.A.

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*****And she also burned a gym in L.A. The file is probably sealed because she was a minor but police agencies can find out about it specially during a background check.


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* You seem to be forgetting also the Dawn factor. After their mother dies Buffy became the legal guardian of an underage teenage, something very expensive indeed that forced her to quit college. Even if she wanted a career in Law Enforcement (I agree that she didnít liked that idea, no wonder she was studying psychology in the university, a radically different profession more base in helping people with words and doing academic research) who would take care of Dawn during the time she has to expend in training? Without Dawn she probably would had finish college and be a Psychologist.

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