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** What about all the other doubles in that bar in Supergirl? Not all of them were probably aliens.
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*** Given the nature of Cartwright's cruelty, he may have been faking his inability to make masks for any number of reasons. Or he just developed his dexterity in the intervening 15 years. As for the voice impersonation, that could easily be a genetic trait.
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While it's possible the answers will be revealed in a later episode, the episode "Take Your Choice" reveals that Dr. Ethan Campbell is actually a barely-aged Dr. August Cartwright wearing a [[LatexPerfection lifelike mask]], much like the kind he used to try and make for his son. While it's still ambiguous whether or not Dr. Ethan Campbell was a real person who Cartwright [[KillAndReplace murdered and stole his identity from]] or a completely fictional persona altogether (I'm personally leaning towards the latter theory for now), regardless of the case, at least two major questions arise:
* It was previously established that Dr. Cartwright himself did not have the dexterity and craftmanship to create a fully convincing lifelike mask, hence why he turned to Beth to do it, and she should be the only one with this capability. Presumably the mask of Dr. Campbell was one he made himself, though, so how did he suddenly become skilled enough to create these masks when he couldn't before?
* How can he mimic the voice of Dr. Campbell, when only his ''son'' is established to be a VoiceChangeling, not him?
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While it's possible the answers will be revealed in a later episode, the episode "Take Your Choice" reveals that Dr. Ethan Campbell is actually a barely-aged Dr. August Cartwright wearing a [[LatexPerfection lifelike mask]], much like the kind he used to try and make for his son. While it's still ambiguous whether or not Dr. Ethan Campbell was a real person who Cartwright [[KillAndReplace murdered and stole his identity from]] or a completely fictional persona altogether (I'm personally leaning towards the latter theory for now), regardless of the case, at least two major questions arise:
* It was previously established that Dr. Cartwright himself did not have the dexterity and craftmanship to create a fully convincing lifelike mask, hence why he turned to Beth to do it, and she should be the only one with this capability. Presumably the mask of Dr. Campbell was one he made himself, though, so how did he suddenly become skilled enough to create these masks when he couldn't before?
* How can he mimic the voice of Dr. Campbell, when only his ''son'' is established to be a VoiceChangeling, not him?
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** It's possible they're just too alike, living basically the exact same life up until the crash as opposed to the various Wells on the Flash who have radically different origins and lives, or people like Earth 90 Barry who is both 30 some years older and entirely different looking person than the Earth-1 version.
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*Never before, even after COIE (Supergirl's multitude of Brainiac 5s comes to mind), have two of the same person being in one universe been something reality can't allow that will result in the deaths of both.
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*Never before, even after COIE (Supergirl's multitude of Brainiac 5s comes to mind), have two of the same person being in one universe been something reality can't allow that will result in the deaths of both.
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*** Part of what Kate wants to do is restore Beth, whom Kate is convinced is still inside Alice's head somewhere. To do that, the process has to be willing on Alice's part, or so Kate believes, at least. Thus, capturing Alice won't help with that. However, Kate's ultimatum to her in episode 3 means that that all goes out the window if Alice keeps up her crimes. The mutilations happened to be the first time Alice broke that "bond," on top of being unusual for her.
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*** However it appears, the point is that Alice was almost killed while in custody, so it stands to reason that could happen again, and before episode 8, Kate doesn't want Alice dead.
*** However it appears, the point is that Alice was almost killed while in custody, so it stands to reason that could happen again, and before episode 8, Kate doesn't want Alice dead.
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** After realizing that Kate is trying to redeem her, Alice does her best to keep the killing to a minimum and always has an excuse for the killings she does do. Not because she's actually willing to be redeemed, but because she knows she can stay safe longer if she gives Kate reasons to believe she can be saved. In episode 8 (and earlier, to a lesser extent), several people point out that Alice's crimes are at least partially Kate's fault for not fighting hard enough to bring her in.
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** The Arkham breakout from Elseworlds is referenced in episode 5, happening two weeks prior.
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** The Arkham breakout from Elseworlds is referenced in episode 5, happening two weeks prior.prior.
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** She's computer-savvy and probably orders stuff that she charges to a pseudonymous credit card. If she runs low on funds, she rattles on and on to her mother about the new dress/shoes/car she ''desperately'' needs until Catherine and Jacob cough up to get some peace. [[spoiler: Plus, her mother secretly knows what she's doing and approves: there may be occasional anonymous "donations" to the clinic.]]
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** She's computer-savvy and probably orders stuff that she charges to a pseudonymous credit card. If she runs low on funds, she rattles on and on to her mother about the new dress/shoes/car she ''desperately'' needs until Catherine and Jacob cough coughs up just to get some peace. [[spoiler: Plus, her mother secretly knows what she's doing and approves: there may be occasional anonymous "donations" to the clinic.]]
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** She's computer-savvy and probably orders stuff that she charges to a pseudonymous credit card. If she runs low on funds, she rattles on and on to her mother about the new dress/shoes/car she ''desperately'' needs until Catherine and Jacob cough up to get some peace. [[spoiler: Plus, her mother secretly knows what she's doing and approves: there may be occasional anonymous "donations" to the clinic.]]
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** They don't necessarily have to be "smart weapons" for a calibration adjustment to be necessary: the exact angles of the wings' configuration and edges could impact how much lift a batarang acquires as it travels. Bruce probably configured them to return at or near the highest point of his own arms' reach, to ensure he couldn't hit himself or another person he might be hauling in a fireman's carry; Kate simply can't reach that high if she looses one from her optimum throwing position.
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* Where exactly does Batwoman fit into the timeline of Arrowverse as a whole? When she appears in "Elseworlds," she already has the red wig and there is an implication she's been active for some time already. But when the series begins, she doesn't get the wig until episode 3, and there is no reference to any of the evens of "Elseworlds," aside from her recognizing Kara during the first part of "Crisis On Infinite Earths," despite "Elseworlds" having canonically taken place a year prior.
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* Where exactly does Batwoman fit into the timeline of Arrowverse as a whole? When she appears in "Elseworlds," she already has the red wig and there is an implication she's been active for some time already. But when the series begins, she doesn't get the wig until episode 3, and there is no reference to any of the evens of "Elseworlds," aside from her recognizing Kara during the first part of "Crisis On Infinite Earths," despite "Elseworlds" having canonically taken place a year prior.
** The Arkham breakout from Elseworlds is referenced in episode 5, happening two weeks prior.
** The Arkham breakout from Elseworlds is referenced in episode 5, happening two weeks prior.
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** The event was specifically about celebrating "powerful women throughout history". Roxana, the curator, says that multiple times.
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** The event was specifically about celebrating "powerful women throughout history". Roxana, the curator, says that multiple times.times.
* Where exactly does Batwoman fit into the timeline of Arrowverse as a whole? When she appears in "Elseworlds," she already has the red wig and there is an implication she's been active for some time already. But when the series begins, she doesn't get the wig until episode 3, and there is no reference to any of the evens of "Elseworlds," aside from her recognizing Kara during the first part of "Crisis On Infinite Earths," despite "Elseworlds" having canonically taken place a year prior.
* Where exactly does Batwoman fit into the timeline of Arrowverse as a whole? When she appears in "Elseworlds," she already has the red wig and there is an implication she's been active for some time already. But when the series begins, she doesn't get the wig until episode 3, and there is no reference to any of the evens of "Elseworlds," aside from her recognizing Kara during the first part of "Crisis On Infinite Earths," despite "Elseworlds" having canonically taken place a year prior.
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* There is no mention of Thomas Wayne in episode 4. The people in the museum were only interested in Martha and her pearl necklace. Why not honor them both? Isn't that a bit insulting since both parents did good things for the community and died in a tragedy? Wouldn't Bruce feel offended by this?
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**** However it appears, the point is that Alice was almost killed while in custody, so it stands to reason that could happen again, and before episode 8, Kate doesn't want Alice dead.
* There is no mention of Thomas Wayne in episode 4. The people in the museum were only interested in Martha and her pearl necklace. Why not honor them both? Isn't that a bit insulting since both parents did good things for the community and died in a tragedy? Wouldn't Bruce feel offended bythis?this?
** The event was specifically about celebrating "powerful women throughout history". Roxana, the curator, says that multiple times.
* There is no mention of Thomas Wayne in episode 4. The people in the museum were only interested in Martha and her pearl necklace. Why not honor them both? Isn't that a bit insulting since both parents did good things for the community and died in a tragedy? Wouldn't Bruce feel offended by
** The event was specifically about celebrating "powerful women throughout history". Roxana, the curator, says that multiple times.
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*** She knew before episode 8. And her treatment of Beth does not come off as fear for her life, as much as fear for her comfort. And Beth's comfort should not be a priority over the lives of innocents. And when ever she knows about the death of said innocents she does not bat a lid (sorry for the pun).
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*** She knew before episode 8. And her treatment of Beth does not come off as fear for her life, as much as fear for her comfort. And Beth's comfort should not be a priority over the lives of innocents. And when ever she knows about the death of said innocents she does not bat a lid (sorry for the pun).pun).
* There is no mention of Thomas Wayne in episode 4. The people in the museum were only interested in Martha and her pearl necklace. Why not honor them both? Isn't that a bit insulting since both parents did good things for the community and died in a tragedy? Wouldn't Bruce feel offended by this?
* There is no mention of Thomas Wayne in episode 4. The people in the museum were only interested in Martha and her pearl necklace. Why not honor them both? Isn't that a bit insulting since both parents did good things for the community and died in a tragedy? Wouldn't Bruce feel offended by this?
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*** She knew before episode 8. And her treatment of Beth does not come of as fear for her life, as much as fear for her comfort. And Beth's comfort should not be a priority over the lives of innocents. And when ever she knows about the death of said innocents she does not bat a lid (sorry for the pun).
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*** She knew before episode 8. And her treatment of Beth does not come of off as fear for her life, as much as fear for her comfort. And Beth's comfort should not be a priority over the lives of innocents. And when ever she knows about the death of said innocents she does not bat a lid (sorry for the pun).
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** Kate's actions toward Alice, after finding out who she is, hinge around A) restoring Beth from wherever she is inside Alice's head, and B) keeping Alice safe so that can happen. Kate believes this process has to be voluntary, so capturing Alice herself won't help with that. And she has a very good reason to believe that Alice will be killed if she's taken into custody, since it's already been attempted. So she's kinda stuck; she doesn't want Alice to kill, but she also wants Beth back. That's what her ultimatum to Alice was about at the end of episode 3, and Alice did indeed keep to it for a while. And since Kate knows Alice broke it in episode 8, that's why she rescinds that view.
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** Kate's actions toward Alice, after finding out who she is, hinge around A) restoring Beth from wherever she is inside Alice's head, and B) keeping Alice safe so that can happen. Kate believes this process has to be voluntary, so capturing Alice herself won't help with that. And she has a very good reason to believe that Alice will be killed if she's taken into custody, since it's already been attempted. So she's kinda stuck; she doesn't want Alice to kill, but she also wants Beth back. That's what her ultimatum to Alice was about at the end of episode 3, and Alice did indeed keep to it for a while. And since Kate knows Alice broke it in episode 8, that's why she rescinds that view.view.
*** She knew before episode 8. And her treatment of Beth does not come of as fear for her life, as much as fear for her comfort. And Beth's comfort should not be a priority over the lives of innocents. And when ever she knows about the death of said innocents she does not bat a lid (sorry for the pun).
*** She knew before episode 8. And her treatment of Beth does not come of as fear for her life, as much as fear for her comfort. And Beth's comfort should not be a priority over the lives of innocents. And when ever she knows about the death of said innocents she does not bat a lid (sorry for the pun).
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*** Why is no one complaining about how stupid, unsafe, and morally incomprehensible it is to let Beth run around attacking and killing civilians and her friends and family without catching or stopping her or at least set up some minimum safety measures. She actively and knowingly lets her kill people! Why is she pretending to protect anyone?
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** Many of her supplies are stolen, and she's wealthy otherwise.
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** Many of her supplies are stolen, and she's wealthy otherwise.otherwise.
* Why is no one complaining about how stupid, unsafe, and morally incomprehensible it is to let Beth run around attacking and killing civilians and her friends and family without catching or stopping her or at least set up some minimum safety measures. Kate actively and knowingly lets her kill people! Why is she pretending to protect anyone?
** Kate's actions toward Alice, after finding out who she is, hinge around A) restoring Beth from wherever she is inside Alice's head, and B) keeping Alice safe so that can happen. Kate believes this process has to be voluntary, so capturing Alice herself won't help with that. And she has a very good reason to believe that Alice will be killed if she's taken into custody, since it's already been attempted. So she's kinda stuck; she doesn't want Alice to kill, but she also wants Beth back. That's what her ultimatum to Alice was about at the end of episode 3, and Alice did indeed keep to it for a while. And since Kate knows Alice broke it in episode 8, that's why she rescinds that view.
* Why is no one complaining about how stupid, unsafe, and morally incomprehensible it is to let Beth run around attacking and killing civilians and her friends and family without catching or stopping her or at least set up some minimum safety measures. Kate actively and knowingly lets her kill people! Why is she pretending to protect anyone?
** Kate's actions toward Alice, after finding out who she is, hinge around A) restoring Beth from wherever she is inside Alice's head, and B) keeping Alice safe so that can happen. Kate believes this process has to be voluntary, so capturing Alice herself won't help with that. And she has a very good reason to believe that Alice will be killed if she's taken into custody, since it's already been attempted. So she's kinda stuck; she doesn't want Alice to kill, but she also wants Beth back. That's what her ultimatum to Alice was about at the end of episode 3, and Alice did indeed keep to it for a while. And since Kate knows Alice broke it in episode 8, that's why she rescinds that view.
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*** Why is no one complaining about how stupid, unsafe, and morally incomprehensible it is to let Beth run around attacking and killing civilians and her friends and family without catching or stopping her or at least set up some minimum safety measures. She actively and knowingly lets her kill people! Why is she pretending to protect anyone?
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* How does Mary afford running a clinic on her own?own?
** Many of her supplies are stolen, and she's wealthy otherwise.
** Many of her supplies are stolen, and she's wealthy otherwise.
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** Sophie wasn't part of the original team who went to the warehouse; when they head out, she's still at her desk wearing office attire, not tactical gear. It seems she went on her own without their knowledge.
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** Sophie wasn't part of the original team who went to the warehouse; when they head out, she's still at her desk wearing office attire, not tactical gear. It seems she went on her own without their knowledge.knowledge.
*How does Mary afford running a clinic on her own?
*How does Mary afford running a clinic on her own?
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* In episode six, after kidnapping Sophie, Kate says that the Crows don't know she's missing. She went into a warehouse with one other person, a load of guns went off and they only found the one other person, dead. Why wouldn't they know Sophie has gone missing when she... went missing.
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* In episode six, after kidnapping Sophie, Kate says that the Crows don't know she's missing. She went into a warehouse with one other person, a load of guns went off and they only found the one other person, dead. Why wouldn't they know Sophie has gone missing when she... went missing.missing.
** Sophie wasn't part of the original team who went to the warehouse; when they head out, she's still at her desk wearing office attire, not tactical gear. It seems she went on her own without their knowledge.
** Sophie wasn't part of the original team who went to the warehouse; when they head out, she's still at her desk wearing office attire, not tactical gear. It seems she went on her own without their knowledge.
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** This version of the batarang definitely seems to be programmed in some way to return to the thrower. The calibrations probably had to do with ensuring it came back at the right angle for someone with Kate's arm length to be able to catch it.
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** This version of the batarang definitely seems to be programmed in some way to return to the thrower. The calibrations probably had to do with ensuring it came back at the right angle for someone with Kate's arm length to be able to catch it.it.
*In episode six, after kidnapping Sophie, Kate says that the Crows don't know she's missing. She went into a warehouse with one other person, a load of guns went off and they only found the one other person, dead. Why wouldn't they know Sophie has gone missing when she... went missing.
*In episode six, after kidnapping Sophie, Kate says that the Crows don't know she's missing. She went into a warehouse with one other person, a load of guns went off and they only found the one other person, dead. Why wouldn't they know Sophie has gone missing when she... went missing.
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*** Part of what Kate wants to do is restore Beth, whom Kate is convinced is still inside Alice's head somewhere. To do that, the process has to be willing on Alice's part, or so Kate believes, at least. Thus, capturing Alice won't help with that. However, Kate's ultimatum to her in episode 3 means that that all goes out the window if Alice keeps up her crimes. The mutilations happened to be the first time Alice broke that "bond," on top of being unusual for her.
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** Why did she need to wait for Alice to change her angle to respond with, "now I want to capture this person who's already committed multiple crimes"? This implies that if Alice simply kept breaking the law like she always has, Kate wouldn't want to catch her.
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* How do you "calibrate" what is essentially a bat-shaped throwing star, i.e. a solid piece of metal? Did they maybe mean it needed to be resized and recut to accommodate Kate's throw instead of Bruces?
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** It's not a matter of corpse mutilation being worse than murder. Kate is suspicious because, as she says, such a crime isn't Alice's style, so something's up.
* How do you "calibrate" what is essentially a bat-shaped throwing star, i.e. a solid piece of metal? Did they maybe mean it needed to be resized and recut to accommodate Kate's throw instead ofBruces?Bruce's?
* How do you "calibrate" what is essentially a bat-shaped throwing star, i.e. a solid piece of metal? Did they maybe mean it needed to be resized and recut to accommodate Kate's throw instead of
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* How do you "calibrate" what is essentially a bat-shaped throwing star, i.e. a solid piece of metal? Did they maybe mean it needed to be resized and recut to accommodate Kate's throw instead of Bruces?Bruces?
** This version of the batarang definitely seems to be programmed in some way to return to the thrower. The calibrations probably had to do with ensuring it came back at the right angle for someone with Kate's arm length to be able to catch it.
** This version of the batarang definitely seems to be programmed in some way to return to the thrower. The calibrations probably had to do with ensuring it came back at the right angle for someone with Kate's arm length to be able to catch it.
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* Why does Kate think that Alice tampering with corpses is bad enough to warrant her capture after she's already killed multiple people in cold blood, among other things? Even granted that she may be reluctant to go all out against Alice because of who she is, surely Kate would understand that her sister is incredibly unstable and dangerous, posing a detriment to her, the general public, and Alice herself so long as she's left to her own devices, right?
* How do you "calibrate" what is essentially a bat-shaped throwing star, i.e. a solid piece of metal? Did they maybe mean it needed to be resized and recut to accommodate Kate's throw instead of Bruces?
* How do you "calibrate" what is essentially a bat-shaped throwing star, i.e. a solid piece of metal? Did they maybe mean it needed to be resized and recut to accommodate Kate's throw instead of Bruces?
